Islam and Iran

[ProudPersian]

[Nushabeh]

nicely put

[ProudPersian]

merci

[nava]

Answer to proud persian: Here is an interesting article questioning the current state

Hi,
The answer to all the questions is in the era of the revolution Khomeini stole the revolution and now everyone thinks he is the cause of it, he used the religion to bring the people on his side, he changed our flag, he killed many generations and . . . and so many other ands.
Chera hallah enghadr arab irani mikoni, vagheat in ast ke hazerat mohammad arab bude, islam ham motekameltarine dine khoda ast ke har kasi aghlesh berese behesh mipaivande, mituni khodeto ba arab motahed beduni chon yek din darim, mituni ham hai irani irani bokoni va ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi (ba arze mazerat vali man tiz harf mizanam, manzuram in nist ke behet bar bokhore) agar ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi khodet ra az baghie joda mikoni va barkhordat damagh bala mishe, agar nakoni va ehsas koni iraniha farhange besiar balaii darand, aghleshun kar mikone, behtar az hame ke in vagheat ast mituni ba tanzimatet iraniha ra dar zehne baghie bala bebari va haminha ra esbat koni va be baghie ham yad midahi. hamechiz dar tanzim rabete moshakhas mishe.
khastam ehsasi ke nesbat be chizi ke neveshte budi ra sadeghane behet begam.

ta bad,

[Rasputin]

Hi,
The answer to all the questions is in the era of the revolution Khomeini stole the revolution and now everyone thinks he is the cause of it, he used the religion to bring the people on his side, he changed our flag, he killed many generations and . . . and so many other ands.
Chera hallah enghadr arab irani mikoni, vagheat in ast ke hazerat mohammad arab bude, islam ham motekameltarine dine khoda ast ke har kasi aghlesh berese behesh mipaivande, mituni khodeto ba arab motahed beduni chon yek din darim, mituni ham hai irani irani bokoni va ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi (ba arze mazerat vali man tiz harf mizanam, manzuram in nist ke behet bar bokhore) agar ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi khodet ra az baghie joda mikoni va barkhordat damagh bala mishe, agar nakoni va ehsas koni iraniha farhange besiar balaii darand, aghleshun kar mikone, behtar az hame ke in vagheat ast mituni ba tanzimatet iraniha ra dar zehne baghie bala bebari va haminha ra esbat koni va be baghie ham yad midahi. hamechiz dar tanzim rabete moshakhas mishe.
khastam ehsasi ke nesbat be chizi ke neveshte budi ra sadeghane behet begam.

ta bad,

Jalebeh inai keh migi ! vali harfe deleh mardom-e Iran chizeh digast !

[ProudPersian]

Nava,

Your point is valid, but you try to judge too much from an Islamic basis, thus u cannot see or choose not to see the destruction that has befallen our countries because of Islam.First off I am not trying to polarize Iranians against Arabs. Arabs commited atrocities more than a millenium ago. But they did not change our flag in modern times, no, Other Iranians did.

Speaking of Mohammad, ppl born a muslim see him next God. Yet if you truly study him you will realize keh Muhammad hazerat nabood. Khodesh kheyli koshteh tuyeh Arabistan keh Musalmon-eshoon bokoneh. Now you can deny it as much as you want but it is plain truth. Muhammad may have had some spirituality, who knows? But the truth is their are a lot of spiritual ppl and they are not all considered prophets now are they. Ali, Hussein, Omar, Abu Bakr, were likewise killers. They killed many Iranians yet now we worship them as saints and prophets?? They spilt the blood of our ancestors yet we ant to worship them???

Second of all, "Islam ham motekameltarine dine khoda ast ke har kasi aghlesh berese behesh mipaivande," sounds to me like someone else fek mikoneh keh khodesh az damagh e fil oomadeh. Islam is not a very progressive religion. Islamic countries are by far the most backwards. The only countries in worse shape are African nations. Islam oppresses women. If a woman wants to wear a veil FINE. But don't force the whole population too. I want to see a beautiful woman's face. And I am DEAD SERIOUS about that!

And who said it was bad to think of yourselves as superior, or as you offensively put it, "az damagh e fil oftadi". Anyone who has been successful has been highly self-confident if not slightly arrogant. I am not saying we as Iranians should think of ourselves as better than Arabs, NO, but to have a certain appreciation for our own culture.

By far one of the worst things about shia Islam is that it makes "sayyeds" superior to average Iranians. The calculations show that Sayyeds would only be related to "the prophet"(if u could even call him that) less than a Percent. LESS THAN A PERCENT, much less. So why is almost everyone in the government Sayyed. Why are all the top religious figures Sayyeds. Why do we consider those with even the slightest amount of Arab blood superior to our own countrymen!!!

If your a muslim and it helps you fine. Both my great-grandmothers are fanatical shias. All I am saying is that Islamic influence on Iran's nation and government is bad, just like Christian influence, like Bush is bringing in, is bad for the US.

[nava]

proudpersian,
salam, sare parcham harefet doroste, man ham hamino goftam.
sare hazerate mohammad ham ke bekham begam ke kami ke che arz konam khaili sakhte intori bekham tozi bedaham, inchizha ro mamulan huzuri behtare vali begzar aval yek soal azat konam: to behazerate issah eteghad dari? ya mussa? ya ibrahim?
sare islam ke nabayad be baghie keshvarha negah koni un ham africa va arabestan saudi va . . . be un migan bonyadgera (fundamentalism) unha darand az din estefade mikonand ke hukumateshuno konand, yek keshvare dige mesle iran, yek dolate dige mesle regime, unha ke shakhesh nistand, chizi ta hala be esme islam democratic shenidi? nemikahm alan moselmunet konam ya hata ghane beshi vali khastam begam yek islami ham hast ke dar asl un islame vaghei ast, yek torhai mishe goft islam khaili mazlum dar umade chon esmesh ra kharab kardand, ta migi islam adamha vahshigari tu zehneshun miad,
regimiha ham ke hamontor gofti yek ruz seyedan yek ruz doktor, yek ruz mohandes, inha ke hame midunand kashke,

moafagh bashi, ta bad

[nava]

Jalebeh inai keh migi ! vali harfe deleh mardom-e Iran chizeh digast !

salam,
jai tu harfam ino didi ke neveshte basham daram az tarafe mardom harf mizanam?
hich kass nemitune in hagho be khodesh bede

ta bad,

[ProudPersian]

Nava,

man mikham bedoonam keh ageh shoma hazerate Zartusht, ya Buddha, Ya Lao Tzu ghabol mikoni. Man hich hazerat ya din ghabol nemikonam. Faghad be ghalbam ham be darshaye erfani goosh midam. Manam keh nemidoonam chejoori Mohammad raftari mikard, faghad quran darim, keh midoonam kehyli az adamha avazesh kardan. Hamin adamha keh quran neveshtan, raftan hezarah koshtan. Manam nemigham keh Eslam dine bad hast, moman bozorgam musalmone ham behesh komak mikoneh. Vali hanooz mibinam keh tuyeh siasat ham dolat, har dine keh ghodrat begireh, oon keshvar daghoon mikoneh. Faghad eshgal keh man ba Eslam daram ineh keh meseh mar hast, nemizareh admahaye Iran azad parvoz bokonan. Keshvare Iran, keh yek vakht behtarine tallahye donya bood, emroz meseh sangeh kholi shod. Ham midoonam keh ageh regime Eslami nabood, yeh regime zartushti, ya mesehi hamin kar mikardeh. Vali ham yeh vakhtah asaboni misham vakhti keh Iranam injoori mibinam.

[nava]

Nava,

man mikham bedoonam keh ageh shoma hazerate Zartusht, ya Buddha, Ya Lao Tzu ghabol mikoni. Man hich hazerat ya din ghabol nemikonam. Faghad be ghalbam ham be darshaye erfani goosh midam. Manam keh nemidoonam chejoori Mohammad raftari mikard, faghad quran darim, keh midoonam kehyli az adamha avazesh kardan. Hamin adamha keh quran neveshtan, raftan hezarah koshtan. Manam nemigham keh Eslam dine bad hast, moman bozorgam musalmone ham behesh komak mikoneh. Vali hanooz mibinam keh tuyeh siasat ham dolat, har dine keh ghodrat begireh, oon keshvar daghoon mikoneh. Faghad eshgal keh man ba Eslam daram ineh keh meseh mar hast, nemizareh admahaye Iran azad parvoz bokonan. Keshvare Iran, keh yek vakht behtarine tallahye donya bood, emroz meseh sangeh kholi shod. Ham midoonam keh ageh regime Eslami nabood, yeh regime zartushti, ya mesehi hamin kar mikardeh. Vali ham yeh vakhtah asaboni misham vakhti keh Iranam injoori mibinam.

salam,
ok rastesh khoshhal shodam intori fekr mikoni, vali untori ke neveshte budi avalesh adam ehsas mikard yek khashmi sare islam dari ke dar asl khashmet dorost bud vali benazare man bayad kami samtesho avaz koni,
chon dar asl taghsire islam nist, taghsire regime ya regimhaii hast ke darand az un estefade mikonand ke dar ghodrat bashand va az in estefade mikonand ke karhashuno toji konand, agarna ke harfaii ke inha mizanand ke islam nist, dar vaghe az taabire eshtebah an darand estefade mikonand ke dige mishe sare in saatha bahs kard.
badtarin diktatori dikatotori mazhabi ast, din dar asl baraye hedayate adamha umade vali agar azash khob estefade nashe va ya azash suestefade beshe adamha ra ham be gomrahi mibare va ham azash zade mishavand, inha ra nemigam ke ghanet konam vali delam nayumad nagam,
are man be zartosht va budha eteghad daram va ehteram ziad ham baraye dineshun ghaelam,

ta bad,

[satyre035]

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[BadJens]

Brothers and sisters, ask yourself am I an Iranian or an Arab?
Well, at least we speak Persian otherwise we too, like Egyptians, would be talking totally Arabic now, Iranian does not mean Persian.

Why is my language a mix?
This has many reasons, partly because of Arabs and Mongol conquests and partly because where Iran is situated.

Why do I use the Arabic alphabets?
I think you are giving too much credits to the Arabs, It's not like they had any alphabet before they attacked Iran lol. take a look at Sassanid script when you get a chance.
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Ctesiphon (Persia), Sassanid era (226 - 651 A.D.), Berlin Museum

Many things that we THINK are Arabic are in fact Iranian which was adopted by Arabs and since we have no records of it, we THINK they are Arabic. Take the word religion (Din - Used many times in Qoran). the Persian term for it is 'Daena' used in Avestan, now you tell me, is it Arabic or Persian?

Why does my country uses Arabic symbols for my country's flag. I thought Iran’s symbol was lion. Iran is famous for its cat (lion) but I am using Arabic swords for my country's symbol, why? Every country uses an indigenous symbol, for example America uses the eagle. why is not my country uses lion for my flag?
The lion and the sword was added to the flag by Safavid Dynasty. Why not the Flag of Cyrus the great? That is my choice anyway. The three rings represent Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds.


Why are women in my country treated as second class citizens?
Mostly because Islam says so and partly because we, somehow, adopted Arabs culture and mixed it with ours.

Zoroastrian religion treated my mother and my sisters as equal to my father and my brothers, why did I change this?
I can't belive you even compared Zoroastrian with Islam. We did NOT change it, the Arabs/Muslims DID lol, the famous Persis/Persian people in India is a good proof for that. If you want to know more about how Zoroastrian were treated by Muslims you can read this article or this one.

Why do I approve my 8 year and 8 months old sisters this past 1400 years be so inhumanely treated and agreed to let my father give my baby sisters away to grown men to have sex with and horrify the little girls?
Again, Adopted Arabic culture.

Why are all newspaper headlines in my country writes about Arab problems and Palestinians?
The religion is Arabic, the language is partly Arabic (Country's second language is totally Arabic) , the way they dress, how they marry and divorce, Arabic symbol on the flag, the way they think, the way they mourn, holidays, holly-days even the way they die is Arabic and I can go on but I think you get the picture so it is natural that what they write should be in Arabic and about Arabs. LOL

Why is it in my country there are so many poor people and the poverty level is 200 times higher than during Shah? Why are there so many prostitutes in my country?
Because Iran's population is doubled since Shah, there are currently over one million more Iranian girls compared to boys, this population needs Housing, health-care. schools, JOBS, entertainment, cultural activities and so on, so the land and the system is imcapable of delivering such quality to a massive increase of such caliber.

What happened to my country’s ancient historical sites and why is Persapolis deteriorating?
Well, that is a funny question( nothing personal intended) they do not care about the living Iranian people and you want them to care about what is left of their ancestors? LOL

Why does this government pay attention to post Islamic historical sites but not to Sasanian or Achaemenid's historical sites and why are these sites deteriorating?
As you know, there is a saying in Iran that goes like this: Cheraaghi keh be khaaneh ravaast be masjed haraam ast.
Now, that's the Persian version of it, the Arabized mulla's version goes like this: Cheraaghi keh be masjed ravaast be khaaneh haraam ast.

Who was Mullah Khomeini? - was he Iranian or cared about Iran?
He was a NOBODY WHO GOT SOMEBODY BY EVERYBODY, a dumb statue. a tool a gadget if you wish. However sad, we created him, which shows our true nature risen from abyss of our very own society, He was a reflection of what we were about at that time.

Why did Mullah Khomeini reply “HITCHI” (nothing) upon arriving from exile and asked how he felt?
At least he was honest. LOL

If this question was asked of anyone loving Iran and Iranians at least would have replied “great to be back in my country”.
Well, you don't even have to ask an Iranian that to get such a reply, any Iranian would surely cry by the moment they steped down the plain.

Why are my country's national resources spent on Palestinians instead of my country and why does Iran have to ask foreign counties money for earthquake victims? But have money to spend on Arab victims?
Cheraaghi keh be masjed ravaast be khaaneh haraam ast.

Why is it my country has laws that do not belong to Iran and did not originate in Iran or are suitable for Persian way of life?

Because this country(Iran) is NOT ruled by Persians. In fact, Iran has not been ruled by even a Persian NAMED person for 1400 years Current dynasty(combination of Azari and Arabs) Pahlavi (Mazandarani), Qajar(Azari) Safavi(Azari) before that Mongols & Arabs. Again Iran is not about being Persian.

Why did I revolt against shah? Was it because shah was bad for Iran or Arabs?
Hmm. Why did you? lol, just kidding. LINK

You know, shah was very powerful in the region and no Arab country dared to call “Persian Gulf” an “Arabic Gulf”. Yes my brothers and sisters Persian Gulf is called “Arabian Gulf” today in Arab world.

Yes Persian Gulf is called Arabian Gulf by Arabs, maybe soon they will change the name of the land from Jomhooriye Eslamiye Iran to Jomhooriat al Islamiyeh (possibly - al Arabiyeh).
We have to thank ourselves and mostly our Mojahedin(recently Mohajerin) and lefties like hezbe Tudeh(Hezbe 'Tubreh' chon ham az tubreh mikhoreh ham az akhond)

Did I revolt against shah to make things better for myself and my country?
NONE

Or did I do it to give the control of my country and its treasures to those who are related to Arabs and those who are Arab sympathizers?
Indirectly YES lol

Why is this present regime against any Iranian customs, tradition, and ceremonies and against our 3000 year old New Year celebration and anything not related to Islam is forbidden or discouraged?
Well I have to ask you, who is Iranian by your definition? Not everyone that is born in Iran and talks Persian is Iranian.

Why do we have to mourn everyday for Islam and those died 1400 years ago?
Because we are still living in the past, lets face it, our heroes are Arabs while the 14 years old kids who died in Iran-Iraq war were not good enough so we call them shahid. But Allah forbid never compare them with our Arab heroes.

You know mourning makes people depressed, and we do it almost everyday, why?
Habit, tarke aadat mojebe maraze.

Why do we have to behave, speak, think, write, govern, teach, learn, spend life in our homes and in public that has Arabic origin and is strange to Iran?
As you said it yourself, we have to, we are not the ones who are calling the shots, we are not in command, we are not the ruling class, we are not the ones deciding so we have to obey.

Why do we have to live in the shadow of Arabs and their world?
We have been doing so for 1400 centuries, Do you know any other way? The very same people will try to convince you that J.eslami is fake and not real. They will tell you how they perfectly have understood Islam and that Islam is all about love an humanity.

Let me remind you how you can become a Muslim:
1- Ash hado ana la illaha ila Allah wa ash hado ana Mohammadon rassulo Allah ( I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger) Mind how Allah wants you to accept Mohammad too so he is included in the package but not other proffets.

2- Pray 5 times a day (OBEY)
3- Fast Ramazan (a custom taken from other religions)
4- Give Zakat - 2.5% of net income per financial year (That's the membership fee)
5- If possible to go to hajj (Spend money in Arabic countries)

If you, by any chance, decide to convert and became a Muslim, they'll sacrifice a sheep for you and that's reality.

[ProudPersian]

Let me make it clear first off that I am not Anti-Arab. Having some Arab words, in and of itself is not bad and would diversify our language, but the fact that our languages (NOT just Persian, also Kurdish, Gilani, and any other Iranian language) have had huge chunks taken out and replaced with Arabic words.

On the Population, why is it that it has doubled? hmm...

Oh Yeah! Because the Islamic Regime told us to have more babies so we could send our children to die in Iraq, and then give them no respect when they return.

Also why do we mourn, of course habit, but it runs deeper than that. It is becuz we as Iranians are weak, and I say this not to insult Iranians, I am one. I see Iranians constanly depressed, self-pity is the worst possible state to be in. Anger and hatred is even better than depression, because at the very least it motivates one to do something, however rash that may be. Iran has very few violent people (the ones it does have are in the government). Ever since the Islamic Republic govt has been in power Iranians have only been in denial, very few people have even lifted a finger, stabbed or shot someone, or done anything.


In fact the Pahlavi family was Persian, the name Pahlavi was the name for middle Iranian language during the Sassanid dynasty, and means hero; This name was adopted by Reza and was not his original name.

But beyond that who cares, whether Kurd, Persian, Gilani, Mazanderi, or Azari. As long as you are a descendent of the Iranid/Aryan peoples developed in the Iranian plateau then you are an Iranian. Enough of all this ethnic smack-talk, people need to shut up with their bs, we are all Iranians, and so long as we each want our own little nation out of Iran we are all gonna remain weak.

I still dont get why we sit back and praise these Arabs. If it isn't obvious, just look at any major Sunni group, they hate Iranians, they loathe not only Persians but ALL Iranians. Dont believe me check this site for yourself

http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter20page1.htm

All of Mohammad's followers hated Iran. In fact Omar planned the genocide of many Iranians, and took many slaves. One day one of them, named Piroz asked for a little pay to help support his sick and starving family. Omar said no, he would never support a non-muslim. The next day at prayers the desperate Piroz stabbed Omar over and over again. Finally the crowd pulled him off Omar as he asked who killed him. They told him it was his Persian slave. He then thanked Allah that he wasn't killed by a Muslim.

And Arab Shiites dont care about you either. These "prophets" Ali and Hussein we praise were the ones responsible for KILLING many Iranians and invading Iran. Yet we hang portraits of him all over our houses!

[Cop]

hich languageeeee unique nis va zabanhaye mokhtalef rooye ham tasir gozashtan..
hamin zabane farsi mage tanha arabi tooye zabane ma oomade? doros fekresho kon bebin che ghadr kalamate englisi va faransavi darim

[ProudPersian]

Manam migam keh ageh yeh zaboon yekam ba yek zabooneh digeh ghoti misheh chizeh bad nist, ham tedadeh loghata bishtar misheh. Har zaboon tuyeh in donya loghatah az languagee digeh estefadeh mikoneh, vali vakhti keh meseh Farsi, bishtar az zaboonet kharb mishi ham in loghathaye khareji aslan jayeh loghateh Irani migiran, in doroost nist. Farsi kheyli estefadeh mikoneh az loghathaye Faransavi o ingilise. vali ina faghad yeh kalameh inja ya unja. Arabi nesfeh Farsi hast, aslan kheyli az kharejiha keh mikhan Farsi yad begiran migan keh komak mikoneh aval Arabi yad migiran! In eshghaleh keh man daram.