Abortion

[RedWine]

The legal and moral issues surrounding the practice of abortion are quite delicate and have stirred controversy and divided parties for many years, as have many other ethical matters such as capital punishment and euthanasia. It can be difficult to formulate an opinion about such controversial subjects with ethical undertones due to certain gray areas within the argument and obvious exceptions to general rules. It is therefore constructive to vigorously assess the valid arguments of the opposing views of a topic in order to develop the most informed opinion. I was presented with a similar assignment in which I was challenged to construct an argument contrary to my beliefs concerning abortion. My article, 'Who says a fetus is not a human?" provided me with greater insight into the realm of ethical debates.
As an individual who believes in pro-choice I acknowledge that there are certainly cases where an abortion may not be the most appropriate choice, yet it is the right of each woman to make such a decision.

From a legal standpoint, the ninth amendment to the constitution grants natural rights to the people and the fourteenth constitutional amendment provides equal protection clauses to all individuals. Furthermore, The Declaration of Independence most notably recognizes the unalienable rights endowed by the creator of man, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The right of a woman to choose abortion is unquestionably a right of life, especially in cases where the stress of pregnancy would endanger the life of the mother. In 1973, a young Texan woman, known as Jane Roe, sued Henry Wade for the right to an abortion due to her lack of money to support a child. The Supreme Court eventually ruled that women, under the constitution have the right to abort within the first six months of pregnancy in accordance with the right to privacy. It was argued that the fetus was only capable of sustaining meaningful life in the final trimester. The court recognized that every individual's unique beliefs and experiences result in widely opposing views, but that the right of a woman to choose was protected under the auspices of the constitution.

Perhaps the most controversial question is whether life begins at conception or at birth. Scientifically, the defining moment of conception is the union of a male and female gamete and the subsequent formation of the zygote, which contains both maternal and paternal genetic material. It is commonly argued that the zygote is in fact already a human being due to the complete genetic makeup of the cell, which contains 46 chromosomes. While humans do contain a set of 46 chromosomes, a genetic argument is not complete and is not adequate to define a human being. For example, individuals afflicted with Turner's syndrome have only 45 chromosomes and individuals with Down's syndrome have 47 chromosomes, yet such individuals are clearly human beings; therefore the chromosomal composition of an organism is not a sufficient method of defining that organism. The zygote and subsequent early fetus are perhaps better defined as potential life, for neither can subsist without the support of the mother. In fact, it has been estimated that the development and formation of surfactant is not complete until approximately the 21st week of development. Surfactant is required to reduce the surface tension of the lungs during inhalation and prevents the lungs from collapsing when breathing. Therefore, the developing fetus is not viable as an individual separated from the mother until the end of the second trimester and cannot be considered more than potential life due to the dependence on the mother. If the fetus is a part of the mother and the mother has rights concerning her own body she therefore has rights over the fate of the fetus.

When the health of the mother is in jeopardy, abortion is a logical option to save the life of the mother while sacrificing the potential life of the fetus. The woman has indefinite rights over her own survival and has the right to abort her child in self-defense. Furthermore, if a woman is a victim of rape, she did not choose to conceive the child and should not be further subjected to the cruelty of the crime by giving birth to a child that would be a constant reminder of the act of violence. Many critics of abortion argue that the practice is abused and has become an alternative form of contraception for irresponsible women, yet clearly in all cases pregnant women may not be irresponsible. Abortion is clearly not a black and white issue but it is a complicated one, due to its moral and ethical ramifications and like other controversial subjects it similarly lies within a gray area. The support for choice establishes a greater contrast in the murky debate by demonstrating the need for a right to abortion, yet it also acknowledges the fact that abortion is not always the most suitable choice for a particular situation. As with any choice in life, the individual granted the privilege of making a decision must also accept the responsibility and consequences that are associated with the choice. It is therefore imperative that women choose carefully when confronted with the prospect of an abortion so that abortion can remain a healthy alternative and not simply become a means of escaping responsibility.


And you, what you think about it ?!

[donsaeid]

This is a video showing how abortion is done.
those who doesnt have the heart dont watch.

I warn you about very strong pictures

[RedWine]

donsaeid mamnoon vaseh clip ;) .

[RedWine]

Abortion good or bad
Should Abortion be Illegal?
For many years now people have debated over abortion. Legally a woman can have an abortion when she is up to 24weeks pregnant except if the mothers' life is in danger. Some people see this as killing innocent babies but others see it as a rescue for teenage mothers' etc.

Abortion was only legalized in 1861but was only carried out if the mothers life was at risk. However this changed with the introduction of the Abortion Act (1967) by the Liberal MP David Steel. This allowed a woman to have an abortion if there was a risk or injury to her or her existing children's physical or mental health but the mother must have the permission of two doctors. In 1990 the law was changed again:

'The Human Fertilization and Embryology Act (1990) reduced from 27 to 24 weeks the latest date for abortion. The grounds for termination within that time period are wide. But after 24 weeks a pregnancy can only be terminated if the mother's life is threatened or there is a substantial risk of fetal abnormality.'

This means that mother can chose if their unborn baby lives or dies. On average there is an abortion of every 2.8 births worldwide.

There are several ways of carrying out abortion:

Suction

The abortionist first paralyzes the cervix (womb opening). He then inserts a hollow plastic tube with a knife-like tip into the uterus. The tube is connected to a powerful pump with a suction force 29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner. The procedure tears the baby's body into pieces and the hose frequently jerks as pieces of the baby become lodged. The placenta is then cut from the inner wall of the uterus and the scraps are sucked out into a bottle. Dilatation & Curettage (D&C)

Uncommon today and used during the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. This is similar to the suction procedure except that the abortionist inserts a curette, a loop-shaped steel knife up into the uterus. He then cuts the placenta and baby into pieces and scrapes them out into a basin. Bleeding is usually profuse. D & X (Partial Birth)

Also used for advanced pregnancies. The cervix is dilated to allow passage of a ring forceps. A foot or lower leg is located and pulled into the vagina. The baby is extracted in breech fashion until the head is just inside the cervix. The baby's legs hang outside the woman's body. With the baby facedown, scissors are plunged into the baby's head at the nape of the neck and spread open to enlarge the wound. A suction tip is inserted and the baby's brain is removed. The skull collapses and the baby is delivered. Sharp and suction curettage is continued until the walls of the womb are clean.

[donsaeid]

didi on clip ro redwine? vaghean vahshatnak bod...

[mahsaak]

una akhe adamam :(, khodaye man:0 in chie akhe RW gofty halam koli gerefte shod

[RedWine]

una akhe adamam :(, khodaye man:0 in chie akhe RW gofty halam koli gerefte shod

khoob naran abort konan ! in chizi hast keh man mikham inja dar moredesh mofasal sohbat konam !

[bluesky_152000]

abortion is MURDER, it is a crime. if u dont want to hav a baby then be responsible, use contraceptives, if u found to be preg then be responsible also, bear the child, let him live.....

in simple scenario, pls dont play fire

[donsaeid]

in chizi hast keh man mikham inja dar moredesh mofasal sohbat konam !

loool redwine... mage molai ke mambar gir avordi? jk:smt059 :-k

[horiyeh]

omg i loveeeeee babies, ina chejoory deleshoon miad injoory konan,
man ingadr bache doooooooost daram, mikham dar ayandeh inshallah 6 ta bache dashteh basham:D:D

[RedWine]

Miscarriage or spontaneous abortion is the natural or accidental termination of a pregnancy at a stage where the embryo or the fetus is incapable of surviving, generally defined at a gestation of prior to 20 weeks. Miscarriages are the most common complication of pregnancy. The term "abortion" refers to any terminated pregnancy, deliberately induced or spontaneous, although in common parlance it refers specifically to active termination of pregnancy.

The most common symptoms of a miscarriage are bleeding and cramping. Bleeding alone is not necessarily a sign of impending miscarriage, and may be the result of a small area of bleeding behind the placenta. Indeed, between 20-25% of women who go on to have a healthy baby will have some bleeding in the first trimester.

In the event that miscarriage is suspected, two tests can be used to determine whether a woman is indeed having a miscarriage. The first test is pelvic ultrasound. A gestational sac will be present on ultrasound approximately 5 weeks after the last menstrual period, and an embryo can usually be seen after approximately 6 weeks. By 7 weeks a fetal heartbeat can be seen. Ultrasound may show an embryo that has died, or an empty gestational sac. Alternatively, the presence of a viable embryo with an appropriate heart rate raises the possibility that the pregnancy will survive.

The second test is a quanitative HCG test. In a healthy pregnancy, the HCG level should double approximately every 48 hours. If the level is not doubling appropriately, it can be a sign of impending miscarriage. Measuring the HCG level has the added advantage of providing information about pregnancies before they can be seen on ultrasound. Additionally, it provides information about the possibility of an ectopic pregnancy. This can be difficult to distinguish from an impending miscarriage.

In some cases a miscarriage will proceed spontaneously, resulting in the expulsion of all pregnancy tissue from the uterus. Often, though, the uterus is unable to expel all the tissue and the amount of bleeding and cramping can increase significantly. In these cases, a dilation and curretage is necessary.

[RedWine]

The following testimonies have all come through CBR's online survey and message board. They are posted here to help illustrate the profound pain that so many unsuspecting women feel after they have aborted.

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October 31, 2005

I had an abortion in 2004. It is the worst thing any woman can do to the life of a little innocent [child] . To myself I did alot of harm forever and ever... The only thing I know is if I knew what to do better in the past I would. But I was such a weak person that I thought I had better priorities than to deal with what was allready present, my baby. I was under alot of pressure, but being 21 years old I should of known better. But i guess i didn't.



Age: 22


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October 22, 2005

When I was a young girl i had a friend who convinced me to have a few abortions. I never realized what they did and regret it. They should show these pictures before you have one.



Age: 30


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August 6, 2005

I have had an abortion. It was the worse thing I have ever done in my life. The abortion clinics made sure that their TV that shows a video conveintley didn't work. So I never saw the video that I was suppose to see. NOW...........after 3 years, I have bad dreams, depression, and always thinking about the child I killed for my own conveince of just wanting to be single and not have to worry about working two jobs. Abortion is an easy way out..............but you live with murder on your brain every day of your life. Don't do it women...............you will never forget. Thanks for this site! You have changed my life. I am now producing the truth about abortion being linked to breast cancer. (They never tell you this when you get an abortion)



Age: 33


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May 4, 2005

Years ago, being afraid to tell my parents that I was pregnant, I had an abortion. At that time (the early 70s), information like this, as well as pictures were not available. We were told that the embryo/fetus was just a kidney bean shaped tissue...not a real life. Had this information been out there, my choice would have most certainly been different. Here I am at 52, with no children, and no grandchildren...Not only do the young women need to be educated, so do their parents. Opposing abortion cannot stop there. We must support stronger sex education classes in schools, with explicit graphics of aborted children. Our young people must be taught that prevention of pregnacy whether through abstinance or birth control is paramount. I live with grief and shame and guilt every day of my life. I doubt I would have these same feelings had I given birth.



Age: 52


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March 24, 2005

I had an abortion a little over 8 weeks ago and I was already 3 months and 2 weeks along, and I didn't realize how fully formed the baby was already until I saw thesepics and that stage and it kills me. I have been so depressed since.



Age: 27


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March 22, 2005

i've had 3 abortions, now i'm 25 years old and i regret it. theres not a day that goes by that i don't think about it. i wish i knew about this website before.



Age: 24


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March 9, 2005

I can't believe what i did. I'm disgusted with myself. It makes me feel cold and numb. I wish I never even put myself in the situation to beging with. It's a horrible tramatic part of my past that will always be in my memory and will always be PART OF ME. It's not just my past... it's ME. I am a murderer... and I did it in the shadows, alone. So lonely, scared and immature. It hurts to know that was me, laying there, letting a man I did not know, never previously met, take my baby's life from INSIDE of me. It's horrible.



Age: 21


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February 23, 2005

I had an abortion when I was 17. Until I came to Christ I never saw it as bad. When I saw this site I wept bitterly. I think I needed the images to truly feel. I realized I took a life that woud have been 9 years old now. I now have a daughter and I look at her and can't imagine what life woudl be like without her. I never even realized what a fetus looked like at such early stages in teh pregnancy.



Age: 26


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February 14, 2005

I'M A MOM OF FOUR AND JUST RECENTLY HAD AN ABORTION.... NOT REALLY KNOWING THE FACTS OF WHAT AN ABORTION REALLY DOES.... KNOWING NOW WHAT I DIDNT KNOW THEN IS TEARING ME APART. I CRIED FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.... I AM SO HURT AND DESTROYED BY MY CHOICE THEN ...BUT I CAN ASSURE MY SELF IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.



Age: 30


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February 7, 2005

I had an abortion last year and had I known the process I would have never done it. After viewing this site I feel sick with guilt.

[RedWine]

A US state has signed into law a bill banning most abortions, in a move aimed to force the US Supreme Court to reconsider its key ruling on the issue.
The South Dakota law - approved by the governor on Monday - makes it a crime for doctors to perform terminations.

Exceptions will be made if a woman's life is at risk, but not in cases of rape or incest.

Many believe new appointments to the Supreme Court may have tipped the balance in favour of anti-abortionists.


Both Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito are considered conservatives.

Justice Alito is thought to be more likely to rule against abortion than his predecessor, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

The supporters of the South Dakota law say they want to trigger a battle over the 1973 Roe-versus-Wade ruling, in which the US Supreme Court established that governments lacked the power to prohibit abortions.

'Vulnerable and helpless'

About 800 abortions are performed each year in South Dakota.

Under the law signed by South Dakota Governor Mike Rounds, doctors could get up to five years in prison and a $5,000 (£2,800) fine for performing an illegal abortion.

Gov Rounds said: "In the history of the world, the true test of a civilisation is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society.

The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them," he said in a written statement.

The organisation Planned Parenthood, which runs South Dakota's only abortion clinic, immediately said it would challenge the new law.

Kate Looby, state director for the group, said the governor "cares more about politics than about the reproductive freedom of women in South Dakota.

"Our doors remain open. We will not be closing, hopefully never," she said.

Troy Newman, head of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue in Kansas said: "[The law] reflects the momentum the pro-life movement has today.

"It is a grassroots movement that is propelling the legislatures, the governor, the president, and ultimately the Supreme Court to nullify the permissive abortion laws."

The abortion ban would take effect on 1 July but it is likely that a federal judge would suspend it during any legal challenge.

The law would therefore not take effect unless South Dakota state gets the case to the US Supreme Court and wins.

Gov Rounds said abortion opponents have already started offering money to help the state pay legal bills for the anticipated court challenge.

Lawmakers also said an anonymous donor has pledged $1m (£572,000) to defend the ban, and a special account has been set up to accept donations for legal fees.

The statement issued by Gov Rounds also noted the bill was written to ensure existing restrictions on abortion would be enforced during a legal battle.

State proposals to ban abortion are before legislatures in Mississippi, Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee.

[gg666]

hala ke harfe abortion hast man ye soal daram ke hanooz javabesho nagereftam...man khodam ba abortion mokhalefam..ama age kasi bachash ghanooni nabashe bayad bache gheire ghanooni ro negar dare???oon vaght yek omr nang roo daste madar va ya pedar mimoone...chonhamishe ke donafar nemikhan baad za ye modat rabete baham bemoonan

[RedWine]

hala ke harfe abortion hast man ye soal daram ke hanooz javabesho nagereftam...man khodam ba abortion mokhalefam..ama age kasi bachash ghanooni nabashe bayad bache gheire ghanooni ro negar dare???oon vaght yek omr nang roo daste madar va ya pedar mimoone...chonhamishe ke donafar nemikhan baad za ye modat rabete baham bemoonan


In chizi keh shoma migi, kheili pichideh hast !

Aval inkeh beh mazgab bastegi dareh ! badesh beh keshvari keh taraf zendegi mikoneh !

Masalan France Spain ya hamin Italy, in ghazieh salhayeh pish kheili bad bood vali alan chon roshdeh population umadeh paein, digeh kam kasi hast keh chizi begeh ! mitoonam beh shoma begam, kheili ha az jahayeh donya, mian invara keh bacheh ro bendazan va ya beh nahvi inja ta ye modati bozorgesh konan !

Vali keshvarhayeh arabic situation kheili badeh ! bacheh ro mikoshan tooyeh Kuwait,Qatar and Saudi Arabia ! beh khoosoos ageh az ghabileh famous basheh keh madaresh ham mikoshan va dolat hichi nemituneh begeh !

In dastan dareh tabdil beh moshkele bozorg misheh ! elatesh ham naboodane education hast va estefadeh nakardan az safe sex !

[abadani69]

I am agree with abortion :D

[RedWine]

I am agree with abortion :D

khoob in nazareh shomast ! bazia ham moafegh nistan in this way !!

[gg666]

WR man alan to dubai hastma ba araba kheili mikholefe seght hastand..on masale bache koshi age etefagh biofte roo oon hesab madaresho ham mikoshan...ama man khodam chand sal cyprus boodam va oonja abortion rayej bood...chon cyprus kheili bi bando baro to sex hast..ama fekr mikardama ge abortion nabood alan cyprus che vazi dasht...az ye tarafam masaele dige kami mano confused mikoneIn chizi keh shoma migi, kheili pichideh hast !

Aval inkeh beh mazgab bastegi dareh ! badesh beh keshvari keh taraf zendegi mikoneh !

Masalan France Spain ya hamin Italy, in ghazieh salhayeh pish kheili bad bood vali alan chon roshdeh population umadeh paein, digeh kam kasi hast keh chizi begeh ! mitoonam beh shoma begam, kheili ha az jahayeh donya, mian invara keh bacheh ro bendazan va ya beh nahvi inja ta ye modati bozorgesh konan !

Vali keshvarhayeh arabic situation kheili badeh ! bacheh ro mikoshan tooyeh Kuwait,Qatar and Saudi Arabia ! beh khoosoos ageh az ghabileh famous basheh keh madaresh ham mikoshan va dolat hichi nemituneh begeh !

In dastan dareh tabdil beh moshkele bozorg misheh ! elatesh ham naboodane education hast va estefadeh nakardan az safe sex !

[Snow]

man ham agree mikonam ham disagree, age yaroo haminjori bekhad abortion begire chon maslan shoharesho talagh dadeo nemikhad ye nafare bacharo bozorg kone, na i don't think she should have the right to get abortion,
valiiiiiii age masalan dokhtari rape shode bashe fekr mikonam she has the right ke bekhad abortion begire , badesham be nazare man abortion dar mahaye avale hamelegi ke hanooz bache shekl peyda nakarde o nokhodi bish nist, age kasi vaghean ehtiaj dashte bashe ke abortion begire, be nazare man koshtane bache hesab nemishe, doroste oon nokhodam be onvane ye mojoode zendeh hesab mishe vali bekhay fekresho bokoni derakhtam zendan magasam jandare, morcheam jandare, inaram in everyday life ma darim mikoshim pas ghatel hesab mishim ?? na!!,

oon nokhodam meseh morcheo magas mimone, be nazare man ta zamani ke bache shekl nagerefte, age kasi abortion begire ghatel nemitone bashe, chon bacheyi shekl nagerefte boode ke kasi bekhad bokoshe, faghat jolo giri az roshde bache kardan ba abortion to mahaye avale hamelegi....

[RedWine]

WR man alan to dubai hastma ba araba kheili mikholefe seght hastand..on masale bache koshi age etefagh biofte roo oon hesab madaresho ham mikoshan...ama man khodam chand sal cyprus boodam va oonja abortion rayej bood...chon cyprus kheili bi bando baro to sex hast..ama fekr mikardama ge abortion nabood alan cyprus che vazi dasht...az ye tarafam masaele dige kami mano confused mikone

etefaghan tooyeh keshvarhayeh arabic in jaryan kam pish miad chon havaseshoon jameh tooyeh in chiza ! dooste dcotori daram keh ziad mireh Dubai un tarif mikard keh ye vaghtaei misheh keh in dokhtar roos ha va ya indian ro miaran keh kheili yavashaki abort konan ! poole ziadi ham midan keh esmeshoon unja archive nasheh !

cyprus bishtar greek/british influence dareh, unha ham idea khodeshoon ro dar in rabeteh daran !

[moonlight79]

man age 80% ba seghde janin mokhalef bodam bad az didan on film 100% mokhalef shodam inam yek nemone dige az khodkhahie ma adamha:mad: :mad:

[golgol85]

man ham agree mikonam ham disagree, age yaroo haminjori bekhad abortion begire chon maslan shoharesho talagh dadeo nemikhad ye nafare bacharo bozorg kone, na i don't think she should have the right to get abortion,
valiiiiiii age masalan dokhtari rape shode bashe fekr mikonam she has the right ke bekhad abortion begire , badesham be nazare man abortion dar mahaye avale hamelegi ke hanooz bache shekl peyda nakarde o nokhodi bish nist, age kasi vaghean ehtiaj dashte bashe ke abortion begire, be nazare man koshtane bache hesab nemishe, doroste oon nokhodam be onvane ye mojoode zendeh hesab mishe vali bekhay fekresho bokoni derakhtam zendan magasam jandare, morcheam jandare, inaram in everyday life ma darim mikoshim pas ghatel hesab mishim ?? na!!,

oon nokhodam meseh morcheo magas mimone, be nazare man ta zamani ke bache shekl nagerefte, age kasi abortion begire ghatel nemitone bashe, chon bacheyi shekl nagerefte boode ke kasi bekhad bokoshe, faghat jolo giri az roshde bache kardan ba abortion to mahaye avale hamelegi....

Man ham ba snow movafegham. Ageh yeh kasi raft o bad hamele shod va chon senesh payeen hast va fekr nimikoneh betooneh az bache negahdari koneh, oonmogheh abortion nabayad betooneh bokoneh. In rooza inghadr elm pishraft karde keh mishe be rahati joloyeh hamele shodan ro gereft, pas agar kasi inghadr bedoone masooliat hast keh be fekre avaghebe karesh nist, hala bayad taghaseh eshtebahesho bede. In dar soorate consesual sex hast.

dar morede rape vali fargh dare, chon the sex is not consensual. bekhatere hamin, dokhtar bayad in hagh ro dashte bashe keh abortion begireh. Dashtane oon bache va didanesh baray dokhtar momkene mojebe azab beshe, cho har dafe keh bache ro mibine yade rapesh miofte. albate midoonam oon bacheyeh bi gonah keh taghsir nadare, vali khob haghighat talkhe.

hameye inha be yeh taraf, vali nazare shoma ro rajebe dashtane farzand mogheyee keh do nafar vaghaan nemitoonan az bache be dorosti negahdari konan chie? Ma inja goftim keh koshtane yeh janin dorost nist, vali agar zende mondane in janin va tabdil shodanesh be bache va zende mondan melse marg bashe, che fayde dare keh bache zende be goor beshe(figuratively not literally)?

[RedWine]

Man ham ba snow movafegham. Ageh yeh kasi raft o bad hamele shod va chon senesh payeen hast va fekr nimikoneh betooneh az bache negahdari koneh, oonmogheh abortion nabayad betooneh bokoneh. In rooza inghadr elm pishraft karde keh mishe be rahati joloyeh hamele shodan ro gereft, pas agar kasi inghadr bedoone masooliat hast keh be fekre avaghebe karesh nist, hala bayad taghaseh eshtebahesho bede. In dar soorate consesual sex hast.

dar morede rape vali fargh dare, chon the sex is not consensual. bekhatere hamin, dokhtar bayad in hagh ro dashte bashe keh abortion begireh. Dashtane oon bache va didanesh baray dokhtar momkene mojebe azab beshe, cho har dafe keh bache ro mibine yade rapesh miofte. albate midoonam oon bacheyeh bi gonah keh taghsir nadare, vali khob haghighat talkhe.

hameye inha be yeh taraf, vali nazare shoma ro rajebe dashtane farzand mogheyee keh do nafar vaghaan nemitoonan az bache be dorosti negahdari konan chie? Ma inja goftim keh koshtane yeh janin dorost nist, vali agar zende mondane in janin va tabdil shodanesh be bache va zende mondan melse marg bashe, che fayde dare keh bache zende be goor beshe(figuratively not literally)?


akheh moshkel faghat in nist ! har do ta toon dorost migin vali ini keh migin ro adamhayeh mazhabi ghabool nadaran !

[nikania]

I believe it is the woman's right to abort

[nikania]

This has been in the US Supreme Court for many months now

[gg666]

ama midooni age lo bere ke in doctor abort mikone che jorme sangini dare...everything is blocked in dubai...but thanx for this thread .it was impressing...etefaghan tooyeh keshvarhayeh arabic in jaryan kam pish miad chon havaseshoon jameh tooyeh in chiza ! dooste dcotori daram keh ziad mireh Dubai un tarif mikard keh ye vaghtaei misheh keh in dokhtar roos ha va ya indian ro miaran keh kheili yavashaki abort konan ! poole ziadi ham midan keh esmeshoon unja archive nasheh !

cyprus bishtar greek/british influence dareh, unha ham idea khodeshoon ro dar in rabeteh daran !

[RedWine]

ama midooni age lo bere ke in doctor abort mikone che jorme sangini dare...everything is blocked in dubai...but thanx for this thread .it was impressing...


shoma motmaen bashin keh 'lo' nemireh chon midunan keh beh soodeh khodeshooneh va in araba jaei nemikhaban keh ab az zireh sareshoon rad besheh .

[gg666]

age injor bashe ke khoobe...inja hamchin gahi hale adamo migiran ke nagoo.hata hamoonayee ke az in chiza sood mibaran..hala be har nahvi.

[mahsaak]

way baz in threade
gonah dare be khoda
ye daghighe be un dasto paye koochik negah konid, andazeye ye sekast, az heykaletoon khejalat bekeshin ,
vay khodaye man chetori deleshooon miad??????????????????????????

[gg666]

mahsa joon..kheili ha az tarse inke aberooshoon nare dast be har kari mizanan

[mahsaak]

MIKHAM SAD SALE SIAH ABROO NADASHTE BASHAN
KHOB MOVAZEB BASHAN KE GAND BALA NAYARAN
IN HAME RAH HAST
AH KE AJAB ADAMAYE KHOD KHAHI
BEKHATERE YEK SHAB ESHGH BAZISHOON MIZANAN YEKI DIGARO KE BIGONAHE , BE MEILE KHODESHAM NAYOOMADE MIKOSHAN,
BENAZARE MAN INJOOR AFRAD GHATELAN

[golgol85]

akheh moshkel faghat in nist ! har do ta toon dorost migin vali ini keh migin ro adamhayeh mazhabi ghabool nadaran !
manzoor az adamhayeh mazhabi bishtar mardhayeh mazhabiyeh. bishtareh injoor chiza keh be mazhab rabt dareh mardha mishinan ghezavat mikonan va tasmim migran. Vali ta hala nadidam yek mard hameleh beshe baad az tajavozeh jensi, pas aslan in mozooh be marha (che mazhabi che gheireh mazhabi) rabt nadareh keh tasmim begiran ke zani keh behesh tajovoz shode mitooneh setgh koneh ya na.

[RedWine]

manzoor az adamhayeh mazhabi bishtar mardhayeh mazhabiyeh. bishtareh injoor chiza keh be mazhab rabt dareh mardha mishinan ghezavat mikonan va tasmim migran. Vali ta hala nadidam yek mard hameleh beshe baad az tajavozeh jensi, pas aslan in mozooh be marha (che mazhabi che gheireh mazhabi) rabt nadareh keh tasmim begiran ke zani keh behesh tajovoz shode mitooneh setgh koneh ya na.


Har cheghadar yek mard beshineh tasmim begireh va adami jaleb nabasheh, zan/dokhtar nabayad zire bar bereh ! 90% in jaryan tooyeh iran beh khatere pool hast keh dokhtara hazeran ba mardeh zan dar bashan keh ba pesareh mojarad ezdevaj nakonan, khopob hamchin eshtebahati hasti keh baes misheh beh rahati sue estefadeh besheh az khanooma !

[mahsaak]

res wine manzoore gg har dokhtari nabood
manzooresh dokhatrayee ke dozdieh mishan va tajavoz mishan , in ye vagheate, pesare ba dokhatare dooste , inghade khare ke havas joleye aghlesho migire kar daste dokhatre mide. una chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii????????????
bazi vaghta ham inghade mizane be sareshoon ke 5ta az doostashoo seda mikone , bad be khahare un yeki doostesh tajavoz mikone, ,

[RedWine]

res wine manzoore gg har dokhtari nabood
manzooresh dokhatrayee ke dozdieh mishan va tajavoz mishan , in ye vagheate, pesare ba dokhatare dooste , inghade khare ke havas joleye aghlesho migire kar daste dokhatre mide. una chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii????????????
bazi vaghta ham inghade mizane be sareshoon ke 5ta az doostashoo seda mikone , bad be khahare un yeki doostesh tajavoz mikone, ,

ummm,pas hala dokhtara hameh shodan fatemeh zahra va pesara shodan shemre zel joshan ????????

nah dooste aziz, ageh taghsiri hast, taghsir, ham ba dokhtareh, ham ba pesar !! tarbiat keh alan aslan voojood nadareh ! az dokhtareh akhoond ta dokhtareh ranandeh kamion, az pesareh vazireh maskan ta pesareh baghaleh mahal, hameh joori bar umadan keh az adam ehteram va tarbiat kharej hastan, un vaght man va shoma mishinim inja, harf az in ro mizanim keh taghsir ya ba dokhtareh ya ba pesar !????

[gg666]

bacheha...bardar shodane nakhaste taghsire har do tarafe...har do taraf bayad bedoonan chetor pishgiri konan..hata age yekishoon be tavajohi kone, tarafe dige bayad share hame chio bekane va nazaran kar be jahaye barik bekeshe...alan dige abortion be adamaye mojarad mahdood nemishe.****an kheili ha az shohareshoon nakhaste bardar mishan va chon ghasde bache dar shodan nadaran seght mikonan....dige in rabti be aberoo va in chiza nadare...gahi vaghean ye khooevade az pas hazine ye bache dar nemian ya be har dalili nemitoonan negaresh daran...albate baazi ha ham az roo ahmaghi mizanan abort mikonan...

[mahsaak]

man aslan ino nagoftam man ki absham moghaser taeen konam,??????
, man goftam una chiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?? aya hamchin haghio daran ke abortion konan?????????????????????
ma inja donbale moghaser nemigardim , har ghazyeiiiiiiiiiiiiiii har moshkeli, moghasere khodesho dare
man faghat nazar khastam dar morde un badbakhtayee ke tavasote ye seri gorg, darideh mishan,
albate inam begam injor etefaghat too iran kheili ziad shode, va nemooneye barezesh dooste khodame, ke dochare afsordegi shodeh, hala haziash begzare, ama khodara shokr hamele nashodeh

[RedWine]

Khoob ,khosh halam keh sareh hameh chiza , tavafogh darim. rooyeh iran bahs nemikonam digeh choon moteasefaneh raheh hali nadareh ta zamani keh akhoondha zire dah hezar metr khak dafn beshan !

Moredeh asli dar inja, dokhtar khanoom hayeh irani hastan dar kharej az keshvar ! beh khoosoos unhaei keh ba pesar hayeh khareji mi charkhan ! inha hastan keh bayad movazeb bashan ! kasi mokhalefeh sex ghabl az ezdevaj nist !!!! ghablan sohbat shodeh in ro tooyeh hamin forum ! sohbat in jast keh ba safe sex , behtar az ravabeteh sexual lezat mibaran khanoomha va ham khialeh hameh rahateh !

[golgol85]

Har cheghadar yek mard beshineh tasmim begireh va adami jaleb nabasheh, zan/dokhtar nabayad zire bar bereh ! 90% in jaryan tooyeh iran beh khatere pool hast keh dokhtara hazeran ba mardeh zan dar bashan keh ba pesareh mojarad ezdevaj nakonan, khopob hamchin eshtebahati hasti keh baes misheh beh rahati sue estefadeh besheh az khanooma !
Pesare mojarad keh pool nadareh, bichareh dokhtara majbooran be khatereh pool che karha bokonan.:( Tavajoh konin keh nemigam dorosteh kareshoon, adam kolfati koneh ba sharaf tar az ineh keh vaseyeh pool ba mardy (oonam marde zandar) rabete dashte bashe.

[golgol85]

Khoob ,khosh halam keh sareh hameh chiza , tavafogh darim. rooyeh iran bahs nemikonam digeh choon moteasefaneh raheh hali nadareh ta zamani keh akhoondha zire dah hezar metr khak dafn beshan !

Moredeh asli dar inja, dokhtar khanoom hayeh irani hastan dar kharej az keshvar ! beh khoosoos unhaei keh ba pesar hayeh khareji mi charkhan ! inha hastan keh bayad movazeb bashan ! kasi mokhalefeh sex ghabl az ezdevaj nist !!!! ghablan sohbat shodeh in ro tooyeh hamin forum ! sohbat in jast keh ba safe sex , behtar az ravabeteh sexual lezat mibaran khanoomha va ham khialeh hameh rahateh !
You make it seem like being with a "pesar khareji" is bad. Yademoon nareh ma khodemoon ham inja khareji hesab mishim (che inja bedonya omadim che na). Pesarayeh irooni ro bazi vaghta bayad bishtar negaraneshoon bashim ta pesarayeh khareji. pesarayeh irooni va khareji jofteshoon az sex khosheshoon miyad, vali dar har hal ba harfet movafegham Red Wine. Safe sex is the way to go if you decide to be sexually active (che ba pesareh irooni che khareji).

[RedWine]

Pesare mojarad keh pool nadareh, bichareh dokhtara majbooran be khatereh pool che karha bokonan.:( Tavajoh konin keh nemigam dorosteh kareshoon, adam kolfati koneh ba sharaf tar az ineh keh vaseyeh pool ba mardy (oonam marde zandar) rabete dashte bashe.

dooste aziz, tooyeh hameyeh donya, 90% javoonhayeh zire 25 sal hamin halat ro daran !!! rooz beh rooz tedadeh ezdevajha kamtar misheh vali dar kheili jahayeh donya ,yek farghi ba iran daran va un in hast keh education kafi daran va hagheh entekhab ! tooyeh iran koodoom dokhtar va pesar ro shoma mishnasi keh injoori basheh ?? koodoom ro mishnasi keh hagheh entekhab barayeh zendegish dashteh basheh ta zamanikeh ba pedar va madar zendegi mikoneh ? in yek dastaneh joda hast keh badan dar moredesh sohbat khahim kard :) .

[RedWine]

You make it seem like being with a "pesar khareji" is bad. Yademoon nareh ma khodemoon ham inja khareji hesab mishim (che inja bedonya omadim che na). Pesarayeh irooni ro bazi vaghta bayad bishtar negaraneshoon bashim ta pesarayeh khareji. pesarayeh irooni va khareji jofteshoon az sex khosheshoon miyad, vali dar har hal ba harfet movafegham Red Wine. Safe sex is the way to go if you decide to be sexually active (che ba pesareh irooni che khareji).

man ba pesareh khareji mokhalef nistam. shayad hata dar kheili az mavared ,unharo behtar az ma pesar hayeh irani mibinam. vali in moredeh bahs-e alan-e man nist doost-e aziz.

[mahsaak]

yeki az kasayee ke haghe entekhab dare manam , ta unjayee ke midoonma kole fako familamam va ashnayanam ham hamintoran , in che harfie mizani siamak, harki nadoone fekr mikoen to ye khareji hasti ke farsi yad gerefty , yekhorde veghe binane raftar koan aziz

[maloosak]

baba akhe kasi ke bache nemikhad chera khodesh jologiri nemikone ke badesh bekhad biofte zire amal o in harfa taze bacheye bigonaham mikoshan, ahahaha
(hala mirim too payamhaye bazargani: bacheha torokhoda movazeb bashid!!!!!!!)

[golgol85]

yeki az kasayee ke haghe entekhab dare manam , ta unjayee ke midoonma kole fako familamam va ashnayanam ham hamintoran , in che harfie mizani siamak, harki nadoone fekr mikoen to ye khareji hasti ke farsi yad gerefty , yekhorde veghe binane raftar koan aziz
manam ba shoma movafegham. Alaan to in doreh zamooneh dokhtara bishtar khoedeshoon entekhab mikonan ba ki mikhan ezdevaj konan.

[golgol85]

man ba pesareh khareji mokhalef nistam. shayad hata dar kheili az mavared ,unharo behtar az ma pesar hayeh irani mibinam. vali in moredeh bahs-e alan-e man nist doost-e aziz.
behtar ya badtaresho nemidoonam,aslan har doshoon khooban vali ino midoonam keh shoma goftin keh bayad dokhtar iroonia movazebe pesarayeh khareji bashan. It seems that you are saying that persian girls with non persian boyfriends have a higher chance of having sex, and at that unprotected sex, to which i said pesar irooni va khareji nadareh, all guys like sex and any unprotected sex brings about the chance of unwanted pregnancy and abortion. abortion whether the father is persian or not is bad so harfam kam o bish be bahs-e-alan rabt dareh.

[RedWine]

yeki az kasayee ke haghe entekhab dare manam , ta unjayee ke midoonma kole fako familamam va ashnayanam ham hamintoran , in che harfie mizani siamak, harki nadoone fekr mikoen to ye khareji hasti ke farsi yad gerefty , yekhorde veghe binane raftar koan aziz

khoob, shoma befarmaein too cheh chizi hagheh tasmim dashtin ta alan ?!

[RedWine]

manam ba shoma movafegham. Alaan to in doreh zamooneh dokhtara bishtar khoedeshoon entekhab mikonan ba ki mikhan ezdevaj konan.

ageh digeh ta alan in ejazeh ham nemi dashtan keh ba kasi ezdevaj konan keh deleshoon mikhad, pas iran vaghean vazesh kharab mi bood !

[RedWine]

behtar ya badtaresho nemidoonam,aslan har doshoon khooban vali ino midoonam keh shoma goftin keh bayad dokhtar iroonia movazebe pesarayeh khareji bashan. It seems that you are saying that persian girls with non persian boyfriends have a higher chance of having sex, and at that unprotected sex, to which i said pesar irooni va khareji nadareh, all guys like sex and any unprotected sex brings about the chance of unwanted pregnancy and abortion. abortion whether the father is persian or not is bad so harfam kam o bish be bahs-e-alan rabt dareh.


doost azizam,ziad rahe door nemiram keh nemikham sar dard behet bedam ;) .

ye mesal. zendegieh khodeh man...

man vaghti 16 salam bood, va ye dokhtar khanoome iruni ashena shodam, bad az do sal jaryani pish umad keh beh shedat delam shekast va dastanayeh digeh...

az un zaman ta alan digeh hich vaght ertebati ba dokhtar iruni nadashtam .alan ham eshgheh donya ro mikonam va emrooz ba yeki hastam, farda ba kaseh digeh ! rahate rahat.. !

man rahamo peida kardam. ageh didi unaro goftam, beh khatereh chizhaei hast keh didam, shenidam, va mibinam hanooz ,keh har koodoomeshoon, barayeh bahs kardan, ehtiaj beh saatha sohbat hast.

[golgol85]

doost azizam,ziad rahe door nemiram keh nemikham sar dard behet bedam ;) .

ye mesal. zendegieh khodeh man...

man vaghti 16 salam bood, va ye dokhtar khanoome iruni ashena shodam, bad az do sal jaryani pish umad keh beh shedat delam shekast va dastanayeh digeh...

az un zaman ta alan digeh hich vaght ertebati ba dokhtar iruni nadashtam .alan ham eshgheh donya ro mikonam va emrooz ba yeki hastam, farda ba kaseh digeh ! rahate rahat.. !

man rahamo peida kardam. ageh didi unaro goftam, beh khatereh chizhaei hast keh didam, shenidam, va mibinam hanooz ,keh har koodoomeshoon, barayeh bahs kardan, ehtiaj beh saatha sohbat hast.
nemikhastam inja javebetoon ro bedam chon in mozoo ba abortion meghdari fargh dare, vali goftam ageh ejaze bedin haminja benevistam ta toyeh pm.

az inkeh yeh dokhtar khanoomeh irooni deletoon ro toyeh sene payeen shikateh besyar narahatam. vali az shoma entezar nadashtam ke injoori be khatere yek etefagh, dokhtarayeh irooni ro be kol bezarin kenar. Shoma be nezar adame fahmide va ba motale hastin, vali vaghti migin keh dokhtaryeh irooni ro be khatere yek dokhtar kenar gozashtin, nemifahmametoon.

[RedWine]

nemikhastam inja javebetoon ro bedam chon in mozoo ba abortion meghdari fargh dare, vali goftam ageh ejaze bedin haminja benevistam ta toyeh pm.

az inkeh yeh dokhtar khanoomeh irooni deletoon ro toyeh sene payeen shikateh besyar narahatam. vali az shoma entezar nadashtam ke injoori be khatere yek etefagh, dokhtarayeh irooni ro be kol bezarin kenar. Shoma be nezar adame fahmide va ba motale hastin, vali vaghti migin keh dokhtaryeh irooni ro be khatere yek dokhtar kenar gozashtin, nemifahmametoon.

Doost-e aziz ! fahmidanesh kare rahatieh ! man adame besiar hassas dar entekhabeh doost va balatar az un, kasi barayeh ashegh shodan hastam ! moteasefaneh ta alan, dokhtar khanoomeh irani nadidam keh mano satisfy koneh ! shayad belakhareh bebinamesh, chon man nah az khod raziam, va nah adami keh behesh began close mind ! hassas boodan, beh manayeh tarsoo boodan nist, balkeh man tipe adami hastam keh hamisheh khanoomha mian donbalam, hala dalayelesham kheili ziadeh keh inja, jash nist barayeh goftan ! barayeh hamin in ghazieh bishtar tooyeh khanoomhayeh gheireh irani baram pish umadeh !

Ba inhal shayad, yek rooz, khanoomi irani basheh keh betooneh mano jazb koneh.

Mamnoon az javabetoon :) .

[gg666]

Rw...midoonam chat mamnooe...vali adr morede kahnoom irani bayad begam ke...ziad zehneto ba in chiz mashghol nakon.****ani ya khareji fargh nadare..belakhare to in hame adam ye rooz ye adame khob peyda mishe....ama dar morede hasas boodanet say kon dozesho biare paentar...chon hata age manteghiam hasas bashi bazam sadam emikhori...man khodam tajrobasho kardam va hatman shoma ham dashti...hala ishala be khosh yomnie in sale no, shoma ham nime digato peyda koni...

[RedWine]

Rw...midoonam chat mamnooe...vali adr morede kahnoom irani bayad begam ke...ziad zehneto ba in chiz mashghol nakon.****ani ya khareji fargh nadare..belakhare to in hame adam ye rooz ye adame khob peyda mishe....ama dar morede hasas boodanet say kon dozesho biare paentar...chon hata age manteghiam hasas bashi bazam sadam emikhori...man khodam tajrobasho kardam va hatman shoma ham dashti...hala ishala be khosh yomnie in sale no, shoma ham nime digato peyda koni...


Shoma kamelan dorost migi ! yani harfayeh shoma kamelan sahih va manteghi hast ! ba in hal hamoonjoor keh goftam,man open mind hastam about this subject ! momken hast keh kheili zood basheh khanoomi irani keh betooneh kamelan mano razi koneh (midoonam keh hast, vali man hanooz nadidam !) . felan bayad sabr kard va did chi misheh :) .

[gg666]

khob mananm hamino migam...ama ghol midam ye rooz ba didane ye nafar anchenan suprize beshi ke befahmi in hamoonie ke mikhai...anyways...enjoy ur life and have a good year... i wish u luck and ye dokhtare khoobo openminded mese khodet

[RedWine]

khob mananm hamino migam...ama ghol midam ye rooz ba didane ye nafar anchenan suprize beshi ke befahmi in hamoonie ke mikhai...anyways...enjoy ur life and have a good year... i wish u luck and ye dokhtare khoobo openminded mese khodet

Kheili mamnoon. shoma ham mehrabooni, va ham dana :) .

Sohbat tooyeh in zamineh ziadeh, vaseh hamineh keh kheili behem PM mizanan keh mano beshnasan, manam migam keh beran post hayeh man ro about love and life bekhoonan. hehehe

Khoda bozorgeh :) .

[gg666]

are RW ..khoda bozorge...hala berim sare abortion....akhiran shenidam ke abortion faghat be janin asib nemizane..balke be madare bache ham asib mizane...in asib momkene foori khodesho neshoon bede ya dar deraz modat...be soorataye mokhtalef....

[RedWine]

are RW ..khoda bozorge...hala berim sare abortion....akhiran shenidam ke abortion faghat be janin asib nemizane..balke be madare bache ham asib mizane...in asib momkene foori khodesho neshoon bede ya dar deraz modat...be soorataye mokhtalef....

Paria jan, khodeh amaleh zayman, vaseh khanoomha, piri deraz modat, zaeif boodaneh badan va chizayeh digeh ro baes misheh !! hala tassavor kon keh ageh kasi keh bekhad janinesho bekosheh, cheh ghadar moshkel khahad dasht !

[gg666]

harfet sahihe siamak jan...ama ba vojoode pirie zoodraso kamboode calsiumo mavade maadanie badan, zayman badane zano az saratane sine va baazi ghodade saratani to badaneshoon jelogiri mikone...va bishtare in be shir dadan be bache ham bastegi dare...manzoor in ke zayman ba tavajo be mazerati ke gofti fayede ham dare..ama abortion badano hasas mikone va hamelegihaye baadi ba moshkel anjam mishe, az tafafi ham age ofoonat nakonan bazam ta modati (hala kam ya ziad) pedareshoon az sare jerahat dar miad

[RedWine]

harfet sahihe siamak jan...ama ba vojoode pirie zoodraso kamboode calsiumo mavade maadanie badan, zayman badane zano az saratane sine va baazi ghodade saratani to badaneshoon jelogiri mikone...va bishtare in be shir dadan be bache ham bastegi dare...manzoor in ke zayman ba tavajo be mazerati ke gofti fayede ham dare..ama abortion badano hasas mikone va hamelegihaye baadi ba moshkel anjam mishe, az tafafi ham age ofoonat nakonan bazam ta modati (hala kam ya ziad) pedareshoon az sare jerahat dar miad


dorost migi inaro ! montaha to keh hekayateh ma iruniharo khoob midooni keh :D ... az har chizeh khoobi keh in Agh Khoda gozashteh tooyeh doomaneh in donya, har chizeh badesh mireseh beh maha. marizi, zajr, bi charegi, hamelegieh na khasteh,havoo avordan, posht sareh ghamar khanoom,monir khanoom, abbas agha, nahid khanoom harf dar avordan va ... :D

kholaseh keh in kar eshtebaheh beh nazareh man, roozi misheh keh forbidden besheh mesleh drug tooyeh hameyeh donya !

[gg666]

are khob dorost migi.. bishtare irania ta tahe har chizio dar niaran vel nemikonan..ama to iran be ghadri moshavere khanevade o in joor bahsa mikonan ke khoda midoone..che hozooran che to media...vali baz har ki har kie...

[mahsaak]

khada be hame komak kone, ke ghal az har kari kami be agabate kar biandishan bad anjam bedan un karo, kasi ke nemikhad bache dashte bashe, hagh nadare bekhatere yek shab eshgh bazi , yeki digaro az bein bebare,

ama man dar bazi mavaghe movafegham, chon dorost nist ye kasio be in donya biari ke midooni naboodanesh behtar az boodaneshe,va ba boodanesh roozi hezaran abr arezooye amrg mikone{ in dar suratie ke etelatae do taraf kam bashe dar morde oraghebat}
alan ke anvae rahaye moraghebat hast, dige abortion mani nadre

[RedWine]

are khob dorost migi.. bishtare irania ta tahe har chizio dar niaran vel nemikonan..ama to iran be ghadri moshavere khanevade o in joor bahsa mikonan ke khoda midoone..che hozooran che to media...vali baz har ki har kie...
inaro midoonam, etefaghan man az unaei hastam keh hamisheh bishtar beh raheh haleh ye moshkel fekr mikonam ta khodeh moshkel ! tooyeh in jaryan Paria jan, jaleb nemibinam chon darsadeh balaei darim az dokhtarayeh 15-21 sal keh bar dar mishan nakhasteh !!! ba ina ,in ghazieh khatarnakeh,ineh keh bayad mardom befahman va meghdari avaz beshan !

[gg666]

are siamak jan..ama moshkel ine ke behtarin kasi ke mitoone be ye dokhtar komak kone madare dokhtare ke kami chesho gooshesho baz kone ..ama chon to iran bishtare dokhtara ba madarshoon rahat nistan rajebe in masael harf bezanan ya az doostashoon zedo naghizhayee mishnavan ya rahaye dige...vase hamine ke atelaate oona kame...va vaghti 40 sale shodan mifahaman chetor bayad to ravabeteshoon amal konan..

[jjbb]

If you have seen how abortion is done you would think twice when you have.... . It is a real baby like a doll. some are born alive and left in a dark and cold room without any food.... to die.
When there are couples who are trying so hard to have a baby, there are irresponsible people who easily get pregnant and abort an innocent baby just because the baby is incoveniece in their life.
Abortion is acceptable if mother's life is in danger only. The rest excuses are bs.
one of the excuese for the abortion: I have a trip planned and I do not want to deliver at that time....., can you believe this ....but it is true......

[RedWine]

are siamak jan..ama moshkel ine ke behtarin kasi ke mitoone be ye dokhtar komak kone madare dokhtare ke kami chesho gooshesho baz kone ..ama chon to iran bishtare dokhtara ba madarshoon rahat nistan rajebe in masael harf bezanan ya az doostashoon zedo naghizhayee mishnavan ya rahaye dige...vase hamine ke atelaate oona kame...va vaghti 40 sale shodan mifahaman chetor bayad to ravabeteshoon amal konan..

in hamoon noktei hast keh man hamisheh migam ! keh bayad az sen hayeh paein bacheh ha ro tori tarbiat kard keh amadeh bashan barayeh in chizha va bedoonan keh chikar bayad bekonan.

[gg666]

ama moteasefane hata baziha inghadr to mohite khanevadegie bastei hastan ke hamishe ba in masael moshkel daran.ta hadi ke ba doostaye nazdikeshoon ham nemitoonan sare ye hamchin chizayee sohbat konan...va hamine ke kheiliha baad az ezdevajam moshkel daran..va in madara ya pedara hastan ke be dalayeli ke man nemifahmam say daran bachehashoono az chenin masaeli door negar daran

[RedWine]

ama moteasefane hata baziha inghadr to mohite khanevadegie bastei hastan ke hamishe ba in masael moshkel daran.ta hadi ke ba doostaye nazdikeshoon ham nemitoonan sare ye hamchin chizayee sohbat konan...va hamine ke kheiliha baad az ezdevajam moshkel daran..va in madara ya pedara hastan ke be dalayeli ke man nemifahmam say daran bachehashoono az chenin masaeli door negar daran

Belakhareh yeki bayad pasho bezareh jelo va in khodeh khanoomha hastan keh bayad jeloyeh hamchin karhaei ro begiran !

[gg666]

badbakhti hamine ke kasi inkaro nemikone...alan bishtare madara tarbiat shode khanevadehaye hostile hastan va bachehashoon ham hamintor tarbiat mishan...va in tarbiat baz be nasle ayande mire...oona ham darsadishoon momkene kami open mind bashan ama baghie klid kardan...az tarafi ham media ziad ejaze sohbat rajebe in masaelo nadare...yadame iran ye khanoome doctori mikhast rahaye fahmidan saratane sinaro bege, nazashte boodan az maket ya modele sine estefade kone, nalbeki ovorde bood bejash...hala ma mikhim bian begam chetor pishgiri konan...albate gahi ye chizaye migan ke be dare javoona nemikhore

[jjbb]

khob mikhan cheshmo goshe bachehashon masalan basteh bashe...mage faghat khodeshon ino bavar konan
albateh bayad hamishe az kochiki dar mored masael jensi sohbat kard ke bache agahi dashte bashe albateh in harfa bayad dar level khode bache bashe. dar mored sex va bache ham dar sene teenage boodan hatman sohbat kard masaeli mesle bimarihaye jensi va AIDS, pregnancy va hamchenin hambastegihaye rohi..... inha hameh moheman vali moteasefaneh pedar ha va madarha dar in mored ehsase rahati nemikonan.

ye masaleh ke akhiran bara man etefagh oftad dar mored testicular cancer bood .
aslan kheili narahat shodam ke che ra be pesar haye javoon ma yad nemidim ke khodeshon ro check konan mesle khanomha ke tabligh mishe ke che tori khodeshon ro bara breast cancer har mah check konan. va didaneh ye javane 18 saleh ke dareh mimireh onham az testicular cancer chon hich kas behesh dar in mored sohbat nakard kheili narahatam kard.

[gg666]

jjbb jan..baraye in javan vaghean moteasefam...va hame in masael bar migarde be in khanevadehaye kotah fekr

[RedWine]

jjbb jan..baraye in javan vaghean moteasefam...va hame in masael bar migarde be in khanevadehaye kotah fekr

hich ham nemiran keh chizi bedoonan dar moredeh in masael, laghal cheshme dokhtara ro baz konan !

[gg666]

ahhh...az daste in adama kalafe misham...tanha chizam ke baladan be dokhtara began ineke sex nakon ta dokhtar bemooni...hamino bas...inam ke ksi goosh nemide

[RedWine]

ahhh...az daste in adama kalafe misham...tanha chizam ke baladan be dokhtara began ineke sex nakon ta dokhtar bemooni...hamino bas...inam ke ksi goosh nemide

nah.. in momkeneh keh bahseh digeh inja ijad koneh keh moredeh bahseh ma nist ! sohbate ma ineh keh etelaate dorost beh bacheh ha began ta idea dashteh bashan keh laghal sex dastanesh chieh , hala kei shuru konan va ina,in digeh bahseh jodast !

[gg666]

ino midoonam...dosroste bahsemoon sare keyo chejoor nist...ama manzooram ine ke asan ina nemikhan hamchin kariam bokonan...man be nodrat mibinam madari be bachash dar mordere in masael harf bezane

[RedWine]

Man mishnasam pedar va madar haei keh sohbat mikonan ba bacheh hashoon ! montaha harf kafi nist , bayad rah ro kamel neshoon bedan ta bacheh ha raheh dorost ro entekhab konan, beh khoosoos dokhtara !

[gg666]

manzoore manam az harf ine ke rahe pishgiri va ehtiat too rabetehashoono began....na inke rajebe sexual relation joke began ke...hala ya mostaghim ya gheire mostaghim..man doosti daram ke migoft madaresh hamishe majale khanevade to iran behesh midade bekhoone, hamintor be khaharesh..in majale ham pore az mavarede marboot be sexual and emotional relation ship between couples...khob intori in rafighe man yade gerefte chekar kone...manzoor ine ke hala har tor shode inaro be bacheha yad bedan...

[RedWine]

Beh har soorat, dar donyayeh emroozi,bacheh ha zoodtar az ghabl beh senneh booloogh miresan va in madar ha hastan keh bayad in naghsheh bozorgeh tarbiat ro ifa konan .

[me_89]

wats abortion?

[gg666]

abortion yani seghte janin...mitooni be poste shomare 2 beri bebini ghashang chiewats abortion?

[me_89]

oh yeah igot it thanx aziz

[golgol85]

Beh har soorat, dar donyayeh emroozi,bacheh ha zoodtar az ghabl beh senneh booloogh miresan va in madar ha hastan keh bayad in naghsheh bozorgeh tarbiat ro ifa konan .
mishe beporsam chera madara bayad masoole in joor chiza bashan? Pedar va madar jofteshoon bayad bacheha ro benshoonan va bahashoon harf bezanan va be ghole shoma bacheha ro tarbiat konan.

[me_89]

i think its stupid its always da gals who have 2 put up wif stupid things

[golgol85]

^thats what i am saying, but believe you me if it were up to guys to take care of things, the human race would have disappeared long ago. thats why men dont bear children, cuz its too painful. only a woman can give birth to a child and then after all that pain not only love that child, but still want another one. :)

[RedWine]

mishe beporsam chera madara bayad masoole in joor chiza bashan? Pedar va madar jofteshoon bayad bacheha ro benshoonan va bahashoon harf bezanan va be ghole shoma bacheha ro tarbiat konan.


Tajrobeh sabet kardeh keh madar ha naghsheh asasi dar tarbiateh bacheh ha az sen hayeh paein ta mature daran ! bacheh ha behtar va amightar ba madarashoon rabeteh bargharar mikonan vali beh har soorat in jaryan mitooneh chizi basheh keh pedar ha ham komak konan ta dokhtarashoon befahman in dastan dar cheh moredi hast va info beh unha bedan !

[golgol85]

Tajrobeh sabet kardeh keh madar ha naghsheh asasi dar tarbiateh bacheh ha az sen hayeh paein ta mature daran ! bacheh ha behtar va amightar ba madarashoon rabeteh bargharar mikonan vali beh har soorat in jaryan mitooneh chizi basheh keh pedar ha ham komak konan ta dokhtarashoon befahman in dastan dar cheh moredi hast va info beh unha bedan !
chera faghat dokhtarashoon? pas pesarashoon chi? joft jens farzand, che pesar che dokhtar, bayad bahashoon ham pedar va ham madar harf bezane. Ghabool daram keh abortion bishtar royeh yeh khanoom tassir gozar hast, chon faghat khanooma hamele mishan, vali be har hal hich khanoomi bedoone yeh mard hamele nemishe.

[RedWine]

chera faghat dokhtarashoon? pas pesarashoon chi? joft jens farzand, che pesar che dokhtar, bayad bahashoon ham pedar va ham madar harf bezane. Ghabool daram keh abortion bishtar royeh yeh khanoom tassir gozar hast, chon faghat khanooma hamele mishan, vali be har hal hich khanoomi bedoone yeh mard hamele nemishe.

Harfet kamelan dorosteh !

Ageh shoma mibini keh man esrar mikonam rooyeh dokhtar khanoomha barayeh ineh keh dokhtar khanoomhayeh irani,beh khater adab va sonnat va tarbiat, hamisheh behtarin boodan va hastan ! dar rabeteyeh ba masaeleh sexual, beineh ma irani ha hamisheh khanoomha hastan keh sar risheyeh kar ro beh dast begiran, moteasefaneh aghayoon va ya pesar ha kamtar amadegi daran barayeh yad giri in masael, shoma tavajoh kon beh amari keh hast, khahi did keh pesar ha dar bishtarineh mavared ignore mikonan danestaneh info dar moredeh masaeleh sexual vali dokhtar khanoomha injoori nistan va behtar amadegi daran va zamineyeh zehnieh bishtar ham hamintor !

[golgol85]

Harfet kamelan dorosteh !

Ageh shoma mibini keh man esrar mikonam rooyeh dokhtar khanoomha barayeh ineh keh dokhtar khanoomhayeh irani,beh khater adab va sonnat va tarbiat, hamisheh behtarin boodan va hastan ! dar rabeteyeh ba masaeleh sexual, beineh ma irani ha hamisheh khanoomha hastan keh sar risheyeh kar ro beh dast begiran, moteasefaneh aghayoon va ya pesar ha kamtar amadegi daran barayeh yad giri in masael, shoma tavajoh kon beh amari keh hast, khahi did keh pesar ha dar bishtarineh mavared ignore mikonan danestaneh info dar moredeh masaeleh sexual vali dokhtar khanoomha injoori nistan va behtar amadegi daran va zamineyeh zehnieh bishtar ham hamintor !
hala fekr mikoni che joori mishe in ro avaz kard? be nazare man, bayad az khodemoon shoroo konim.

[RedWine]

hala fekr mikoni che joori mishe in ro avaz kard? be nazare man, bayad az khodemoon shoroo konim.

Yek hamchin chizi ehtiaj beh barnameh rizi dareh, ehtiaj beh in dareh keh madar ha va pedar ha start bezanan beh jostejoo kardan, beh porsidan, donbaleh in bashan keh bedoone roo dar vaisi info begiran az afradi keh in masael ro behtar mishnasan va az senn hayeh paei ba bacheh hashoon sohbat konan, farghi nemikoneh koja hastan, tooyeh cheh keshvari hastan, mohem ineh keh vared in rah beshan ta betoonan bacheh ha ro az koodaki ashena konan ba in masael .

[322300]

Abortion should be legal... If the child is unwanted by the parents, they won't have a good life...so better never bring them into the world in the first place

[RedWine]

Abortion should be legal... If the child is unwanted by the parents, they won't have a good life...so better never bring them into the world in the first place

nice ideas!

[gg666]

baleh khob...bache nakhaste bayad sar be nist beshe..chon boodanesh darde sare....khastasham darde sare dige che berese be nekhaste...ama abortion be badane zan asib mizane...va shenidamroo zaymanhaye baadi asare bad dare....akhe aghel chera konad kari..ke baz arad pashimani...abortion daghoon mikone damo dastaghe zanaro...hala ag elegal she hame tepo tep mikhan seght konan...

[RedWine]

As many of you may be aware, the National Organization for Women recently held a pro-choice rally here in Orange County, California.

The gathering attracted its usual plight of 30-40 year old baby boomers in faded tie dye, along with a variety of women, young and old. The thing about these gatherings that always tends to crack me up as well as depress me is the high volume of 40 + year olds that came from an era in which they were spoiled and did not have to deal with the problems my generation (20-30 year olds) has to face.

There they are, standing along side 19-year-old college kids with signs proclaiming the evils of the “fascist right wingers who want to impose their religious hate and control our reproductive choices”. Down with the man! You can’t tell us what to do! It’s MY choice.

It is no secret that the baby boomers had it good. In case some of you don’t know, baby boomers is a term used to describe people who were born in a pre-war era were the “family unit” was still intact and acceptable. For reference, when I use the term family unit throughout this article, I am not referring to the mythical functional family. I do not believe this exists. All I am referring to are two parents, married with children, and in most cases during the prewar era, women who for the majority stayed at home and raised the children while the men supported the family.

Then Vietnam came. (Or even World War II for the boomers who date back that far).

As in any war, the men were called away to fight. This left many women at home not only to raise the family but to be the primary bread winners as well. It is my opinion that women were never intended to take on this role. But it happened, and the minds of women across America started to change toward the role of wife/mother/homemaker.

I believe women changed when the men had to leave for the war. Then they had to be both mother and father to their children. I also believe that the children of parents in this era were the ones that grew up to flourish in the 60’ and 70’s. This was the era of the sexual revolution. Yep, life was great for the baby boomers. They smoked pot, did acid, danced on the beach to Jethro Tull and everyone was sleeping with each other. Why wouldn’t they? I mean, there really wasn’t AIDS yet, or half of the other serious diseases we now have. Yep, life was good.

Fast forward to 2006. These same people stand in line and hold signs comparing conservative Pat Robertson to Osama Bin Ladin. Down with the man! Down with anyone who will tell me what to do! I have a Right! Me. Me. ME. Forget about future generations. Forget about preserving the concept of the family unit. Who cares? They had a mother and father to raise them. These same people gleefully go to voting boxes and support bills that want it to be legal for two men to get married and raise a child. But, I digress...

What is so destructive about abortion is not only that it prevents new life from entering the world, but the effects it has on the women who have them are devastating. Abortion, by far is the single most anti-woman concept invented. It is truly a contradiction to be a practicing ‘feminist’ in every sense of the word, but to endorse a practice of scraping out our wombs if we have an inconvenience in there. This is selfishness at its epitome. Any woman who shows up at these rallies with a proud feminist t-shirt on hasn’t a clue to what it means to be a woman and what we were created for.

And just what were we created for? According to most contemporary feminist thought, it is to relish in a mythical gender indifference. It is to attain some sort of superiority to men by proving that we can indeed shed years of perceived “repression” by taking on the corporate world full force, delaying children and family, or justifying leaving our babies with strangers while we go out and compete with our husbands in order to afford a newer car, or a second house.

Now, I am not against independent women who work and support themselves. I am one of those women and I think that it is great for any woman to experience this at least once in their life. However, I believe that when a women makes the conscious decision to have sex, she is taking the risk of being responsible for bringing life into this world. Sorry ladies, but this is how it works.

And once we are responsible for bringing another life into this world, it is essential to understand that it is no longer about us. We are responsible for the welfare of the generations who succeed us. Popular contemporary thought does not encourage or even acknowledge this. We live in culture in which we are encouraged to read “Self” magazine and to “Obey our thirst” because, after all, it’s all about us and our urges and what works for us right now.

Many pro-choice believers mistakingly assume that conservatives point a condemning and intolerant judgmental finger to those who either have had abortions or believe in the right to have them. Tolerance has only acceptable if it is directed to the liberal left. It is famously known that there is no such thing as tolerance for conservative-minded people in our society. Speaking the truth about a procedure that is physically and mentally harmful and life threatening to women is not condemnation. We are women and life givers in every sense of the word. To deny that ability or to disregard the pain that is caused when we defraud ourselves as women of that right, is not natural.

I am not condemning anyone who has had an abortion. I have close friends and family members who have had them. I have seen first hand the devastating effects this has on women. I am just inviting you to contemplate for one moment how things could be better. I am suggesting that instead of preaching our ‘right’ for this and that, let us examine the bigger picture.

Let us assume, for one moment in the presumably archaic belief that women should abstain from sex until they are married. This concept is completely opposed to what our culture encourages. Sex is everything and everywhere in American culture. Children are allowed less and less time to be children.

For God sakes, Abercrombie and Fitch as well as Victoria's Secret both have a line of thongs that are for children between 5-8 years of age. Newsstands are overflowing with magazines that announce 50 new sexual positions to get a man to love you and stay with you. I can no longer listen to the radio or watch TV without seeing some sexed up ad, or listening to a man on the radio preach about the dangers of marriage, and how women are only “sperm depositories, and good for sex alone”. (To those of you who live in Orange County, you know who I am talking about).

But is it worth it? As popular culture become more and more self-centered, we embrace our selfishness as a ‘right’. This is so very sad. We have a right to sleep around. We have a right to ‘try out’ our boyfriend or girlfriend and decide if they will satisfy us after we are married. It is my opinion that marriage was intended to protect women and children. And believe it or not, there was a time in history when men were taught to want to protect women and children.

Many of you will email me saying that I am repressive and backward and need to get with 2006. Iranians are very passionate about their liberal rights. For Iranian women, I have found this to be most true. As I addressed in a previous article, the preservation of their rights and presumed “independence” is ferociously defended because of a history of true oppression from political Islam in Iran. This is justifiable.

I am not suggesting that we abandon our independence. This is an invitation to at least acknowledge that when sex happens within the safe confines of marriage, and with the understanding that we were created for family and life giving, we can be less consumed with preserving the autonomous rights we have over our womb, and more concerned with how we can better the lives of our children and our children’s children.

[jsmith]

abortion mitoone khoob bashe...baraye hamoon avalesh ke age vaghean doost nadariiin....yani hamin jooori alaki zendegie ye bache ro kharab nakonin...:(

[RedWine]

A referendum to legalize abortion in Portugal failed on Sunday because the turnout was too low -- but the Socialist prime minister has nevertheless vowed to push the measure through parliament, a plan critics call "disgraceful."

Nearly 60 percent of those who voted said they were in favor of changing the law to allow women to undergo abortions until the 10th week of pregnancy, but the referendum is legally binding only if more than 50 percent of the country's 8.9 million registered voters cast ballots.

Sunday's turnout was 44 percent, and pro-life opponents of the move to lift abortion restrictions said the heavy abstention rate showed that most Portuguese had not made up their minds on the issue.

"Those were not 'yes' votes," said Roger Kiska, legal counsel at the European Center for Law and Justice in Strasbourg, France.

"They do not have, procedurally, the majority of Portuguese registered voters voting [in support of changing the law]."

But repeating a pledge he made while campaigning for the "yes" vote in the referendum, Prime Minister Jose Socrates said he believes he now has a mandate to change the country's anti-abortion law.

"The law will now be discussed and approved in Parliament," he said. "The people have spoken and they have spoken with a clear voice."

"The referendum's purpose was to discuss the views of the public on this very vital, constitutional issue, and then to not respect the outcome of this vote is rather disgraceful in my opinion." said Kiska.

In a referendum, not going to the polls is understood to amount to a "no" vote, he said. Many Portuguese didn't vote because they were undecided, or uninterested in the issue - or even because the weather was poor.

"In essence, it does not mean, as the prime minister is saying, that Portugal is overwhelmingly saying they want to liberalize the abortion laws. Constitutionally, he is committing a strong violation of the current abortion law."

Socrates' Socialist Party holds an overwhelming majority in parliament and will most likely be able to push through the change in legislation without a problem.

Besides the opposition conservative Partido Popular and Social Democratic parties, Portugal's Roman Catholic Church campaigned against the proposition.

Commenting on the results, Father Vincent Feroldi, communications director for the Diocese of Lyon in France, said the high abstention mostly showed an unease in Portuguese society because people were reticent to authorize a law on abortion but also unwilling to go out and say no.

Feroldi said it was now important for Portugal to look at how to improve education about the condition of women, the life of couples, and sexuality.

"The first thing in the Catholic doctrine is respect for life and the act of abortion cannot be justified," he said. "Life must be respected from its conception."

"But there is much work to be done so that women are not faced with the question of whether they should abort or no abort," he added.

Speaking on television, Partido Popular head Jose Ribeiro e Castro said, "Socrates will be responsible for this sad chapter in Portugal's history for insisting on a political move that has split Portuguese society."

Portugal's current law makes abortion illegal except in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger.

Portugal, Ireland, Malta and Poland are the only remaining countries in the 27-member European Union to have tight restrictions on abortion.

A referendum in Portugal on the issue in 1998 was declared invalid because of low voter turnout. In that case, 51 percent of those who did vote supported maintaining the abortion law.

Socrates has said that he wants to put an end to illegal and clandestine abortions, which he called "backward," but pro-life activists point out that Portuguese women are free to travel to other E.U. countries to have abortions.

The process to legalize abortion is expected to take about eight months because the bill will have to be voted first in parliament, approved by the president, and then published publicly.

[RedWine]

The U.S. Supreme Court decided Wednesday to uphold a ban on certain types of abortions, leaving Americans to wonder if more restrictions are on the horizon.

In a 5-4 vote, the court legitimized the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act. This marks the first time the Supreme Court has upheld a ban on a specific abortion procedure.

This development has left anti-abortion advocates rejoicing and abortion-rights supporters seething.

Amy Kennedy, director of external affairs at Planned Parenthood of North Central Florida, said she's afraid this decision could lead to legislation banning all abortions.

"This is a pivotal ruling for woman's health and safety," Kennedy said. "American women deserve the right to make personal health care decisions free of government intrusion."

The banned procedure, technically called "intact dilation and extraction," also known as a partial-birth abortion, would terminate second-trimester pregnancies by removing the fetus whole.

The procedure is performed when the fetus is too large to be suctioned from the woman's body, as in most first-trimester abortions.

About 88 percent of abortions are performed within the first trimester of pregnancy. During the second trimester, abortions are usually performed because of health risks to the patient, Kennedy said.

Some speculate that the Supreme Court is taking a new course on the abortion issue. That assumption leads abortion rights activists to worry that Roe v. Wade, the case that established a woman's constitutional right to abortion, could be overturned.

The ban indicates a reversal in the Supreme Court's position on abortion since 2000, when the court declared it unconstitutional to restrict abortions without considering the patient's health. Under the new ban, the prohibited type of partial-birth abortion is illegal unless a woman's health risks are severe enough to endanger her life.

"The ban fails to safeguard women because it doesn't contain an exception to protect their health," Kennedy said.

Stephanie Ann Diaz, a member of Vox: Voices for Planned Parenthood, said people forget that choosing to have an abortion is a difficult decision that can scar women both physically and emotionally.

"Most people who are pro-choice want abortions to be rare, safe and legal," she said.

But anti-abortion activists say the fetus's health and safety should be considered equal to that of the mother.

Natalia Pedraza, the president of the Pro-Life Alliance and a UF economics senior, said the ban is a step in the right direction.

"It's a victory for the pro-life side," she said. "In general, abortion is a horrible thing for the baby and the mother."

Partial-birth abortions are more traumatic, she said.

"It's different than all the other abortion procedures, and people should be educated on the different types to really get an understanding of what this ban means," she said.

UF sophomore Steven Hoffstetter said he believes the procedure is "barbaric."

"I've always thought it was a terrible thing," he said. "When it was first banned, I couldn't even believe it was allowed before."

Hoffstetter's feelings echo those of President George W. Bush, who said in a press release that the new law reflects the "compassion and humanity of America."

Bush also said he hoped the law would lead to more serious restrictions on abortion.

"The Supreme Court's decision is an affirmation of the progress we have made over the past six years in protecting human dignity and upholding the sanctity of life," he said. "We will continue to work for the day when every child is welcomed in life and protected in law."

Despite the controversy, UF constitutional law professor Sharon Rush said the implications might not be as serious as many expect.

"I don't see it as such a dramatic decision as everyone else is seeing," she said.

Rush pointed to the 1992 Roe v. Casey Supreme Court decision, which reaffirmed Roe v. Wade.

After researching the justices' majority and dissenting opinions on partial-birth abortions, Rush said she thinks the ban might not lead to more restrictions.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel Alito Jr., the two justices appointed by Bush, are the most likely to vote against abortion if the issue arises again, Rush said.

But, she said, abortion rights are not likely to be overturned under the current justices.

[RedWine]

Mexico City lawmakers voted to legalize abortion Tuesday, a decision likely to influence policies and health practices across Mexico and other parts of heavily Roman Catholic Latin America.
The proposal, approved 46-19, with one abstention, will take effect with the expected signing by the city's leftist mayor. Abortion opponents have already vowed to appeal the law to the Supreme Court, a move likely to extend the bitter and emotional debate in this predominantly Catholic nation.

"Decriminalizing abortion is a historic triumph, a triumph of the left," said city legislator Jorge Diaz Cuervo, a leftist social democrat who voted for the bill. "Today, there is a new atmosphere in this city. It is the atmosphere of freedom."

Nationally, Mexico allows abortion only in cases of rape, severe birth defects or if the woman's life is at risk. Doctors sometimes refuse to perform the procedure even under those circumstances.

The new law will require city hospitals to provide the procedure in the first trimester and opens the way for private abortion clinics. Girls under 18 would have to get their parents' consent.

The procedure will be almost free for poor or uninsured city residents, but is unlikely to attract patients from the United States, where later-term abortion is legal in many states. Under the Mexico City law, women having an abortion after 12 weeks face punishment of three to six months in jail. Those performing abortions after that period would face one to three years in jail.

Mexico City is dominated by the leftist Democratic Revolution Party, at odds with President Felipe Calderon's conservative National Action Party, which opposed the abortion measure.

"We go to great lengths to protect (sea) turtle eggs," said city lawmaker Paula Soto, a member of Calderon's party. "Lucky turtles! It appears they have more people willing to defend them than some unborn children."

The law alarmed Calderon's party and prompted authorities to send ranks of riot police to separate chanting throngs of opposing demonstrators outside the city legislature.

A crowd of abortion-rights supporters chanting "Yes, we did it!" gathered at a monument to 19th-century anti-clerical reformer Benito Juarez in downtown Mexico City after the vote.

"I feel happy, because this is a step forward, not backward, for a woman's right and freedom to choose ... about her body and her life," said demonstrator Gabriela Cruz, 36.

The Roman Catholic church has protested the measure and Mexico City Cardinal Norberto Rivera led a march through the capital last month in opposition. The Archdiocese said Tuesday that it would "evaluate the moral consequences of the reforms" and said Rivera would have no public comment on the vote until Sunday.

The only countries in Latin America and the Caribbean with legalized abortion for all women are Cuba and Guyana. Most others allow it only in cases of rape or when the woman's life is at risk. Nicaragua, El Salvador and Chile ban it completely.

The New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights, the legal arm of the reproductive rights movement globally, applauded the Mexico City law as "historic."

"This will serve as a model to get abortion accepted not only nationwide, but also in Latin America and the Caribbean, where women who interrupt their pregnancies are still sent to jail," said activist Elba Garcia, 24, who rode a flatbed truck in an abortion rights caravan through downtown Mexico City on Monday.

Recent newspaper polls showed that a majority of Mexico City residents support legalized abortions, at least in the first weeks of pregnancy.

The proposal has created an emotional confrontation in a country where the majority of people are Roman Catholic.

Calderon has opposed the proposal, and church leaders have led protests that pushed the limits of Mexico's constitutional ban on political activity by religious groups.

Opponents argue that life begins at conception and say the law would violate the Mexican Constitution's protection of individual rights. Supporters say the law would save the lives of thousands of women.

The city and its suburbs are home to about one-fifth of the country's population, and many Mexicans travel to the capital for medical treatment. Opponents fear the local law could attract women across Mexico seeking abortions.

An estimated 200,000 women have illegal abortions each year in Mexico, based on the number who show up at hospitals later seeking treatment for complications, said Martha Micher, director of the Mexico City government's Women's Institute.

Botched abortions using herbal remedies, black-market medications and quasi-medical procedures kill about 1,500 women each year and are the third-leading cause of death for pregnant women in the capital, Micher said.

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Vatican urges end to Amnesty aid

The Vatican described abortion as "murder"
The Vatican has urged all Catholics to stop donating money to Amnesty International, accusing the human rights group of promoting abortion.
The Vatican, which regards life as sacred from the moment of conception, said it was an "inevitable consequence" of the group's policy change.

Amnesty said it was not promoting abortion as a universal right.

But the group said that women had a right to choose, particularly in cases of rape or incest.

"No more financing of Amnesty International after the organisation's pro-abortion about-turn," said a statement from the Roman Catholic Church's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

The Church's request covers funding from Catholic groups, non-governmental organisations, parishes, schools and individuals.

'Misrepresented account'

The council's president, Cardinal Renato Martino, described abortion as "murder".

"And to justify it selectively, in the event of rape, that is to define an innocent child in the belly of its mother as an enemy, as 'something one can destroy'," the cardinal said.

According to Roman Catholic doctrine, life - which begins with conception - must be respected.

Amnesty says it does not take any position on whether abortion is right or wrong.

But it defended its new position in support of abortion for women when their health is in danger or human rights are violated, especially in cases of rape or incest.

"We are saying broadly that to criminalise women's management of their sexual reproductive right is the wrong answer," Amnesty's deputy Secretary General Kate Gilmore told Reuters news agency.

"The Catholic Church, through a misrepresented account of our position on selective aspects of abortion, is placing in peril work on human rights," Ms Gilmore said.

Some 45 million unintended pregnancies are terminated around the world every year, the World Health Organisation says.

Nearly 70,000 women die annually from unsafe abortions, it says.