persian behaviour in group activities

[shareholder]

I've always noticed that Iranian teams don't do so well in team sports. We seem to do well in individual competitions such as Chess, wrestling, weight lifting, math contests, etc.

In team sports, we seem to have such talented players individually, but overall we don't seem to come out on top very often. Look at the recent world cups and asian cups. Iran hasn't done well.

However, we did win the asian championship in basketball.

Overall, if you look at the talent on the major Iranian teams, you will realize that they should be doing a lot better than they are.

A lot of people say that politics get involved in Iran's national soccer team during their World Cup runs but no one knows this for a fact.

It seems Iranians always want to fight eachother to get the glory individually, as opposed to focusing on their collective team goal of winning a championship.

If you ever play a soccer game here in West Vancouver with Iranians there is an 80% chance of a fight breaking out - DAVA!!! DAVA SHOD!! Hamdige ro mikoshan vaseh ye baziyeh football. It's just the way it is, and I attribute this to 2 facts:

1) Iranians have relatively higher testosterone levels
2) Iranian families are always fighting and screaming and so confrontation is a normal thing. This would carry over and become part of your personality, wouldnt it?

[Nutcase]

the fact of the matter is that we iranians are full of ourselves, we think we are the best at everything, this so-called persian pride has gone way over our heads, and its very childish and sad and it has to do with our flawed culture. this ego-maniacal behavior makes us not work well in groups, its ok to have a competitive spirit, but when there is sportsmanship involved and civility then we flat out fail, one of the many reasons i have stayed away from my own people, it saddens me, but they have given me no other choice.

[maryam9]

[COLOR="Green"]I've always noticed that Iranian teams don't do so well in team sports. We seem to do well in individual competitions such as Chess, wrestling, weight lifting, math contests, etc.

In team sports, we seem to have such talented players individually, but overall we don't seem to come out on top very often. Look at the recent world cups and asian cups. Iran hasn't done well.

However, we did win the asian championship in basketball.

Overall, if you look at the talent on the major Iranian teams, you will realize that they should be doing a lot better than they are.

A lot of people say that politics get involved in Iran's national soccer team during their World Cup runs but no one knows this for a fact.

It seems Iranians always want to fight eachother to get the glory individually, as opposed to focusing on their collective team goal of winning a championship.

If you ever play a soccer game here in West Vancouver with Iranians there is an 80% chance of a fight breaking out - DAVA!!! DAVA SHOD!! Hamdige ro mikoshan vaseh ye baziyeh football. It's just the way it is, and I attribute this to 2 facts:

1) Iranians have relatively higher testosterone levels
2) Iranian families are always fighting and screaming and so confrontation is a normal thing. This would carry over and become part of your personality, wouldnt it?

I doubt youre an Iranian because what you have said is racist!!

also, i take it youve never been to a football match before...

[purrsian_cat]

In team sports, we seem to have such talented players individually

a team of 'individual talented players' would surely create an even more talented and strong team..

2) Iranian families are always fighting and screaming and so confrontation is a normal thing. This would carry over and become part of your personality, wouldnt it?

eh? excuse me?
i think maybe you mean 'british families'. In all my 20 years im not sure ive witness this fighting and screaming confrontation thing you speak of amongst Iranians!! maybe its just in your family? hmmm




however.. I think Irans strength covers more academic areas like doctors, surgeons, lawers, engineers due to the Iranian culture, rather than in team based sports and 'hobbys'. In schools for example, students are pushed and pushed to work hard and do there best in primary subjects like math, farsi, science, and things like football or dance classes aren't reali organised as such. This is the sort of thing kids play in kooche (or closing an area of the road in many cases) wearing dampayee with those stripy toop pelasticy using rocks or traffic cones for goal posts

[zubin]

bs stereotyping. slander! we come in all forms... and we ARE the victim of our circumstances.

in my football team, our best and most humble members are iranian, and there are a few non-iranians who always play for their own benefit and don't care about the team.

we iranians TAKE THE HIT... we endure... but no one sees this and just stereotype us and culture...

we are not the only ones that go through this. in my opinion, its generally the poor and disadvantaged who are not favored in the mainstream system that have to go through this the most, and this applies to iranians alot.

[Dokhtar Bandari]

I've always noticed that Iranian teams don't do so well in team sports. We seem to do well in individual competitions such as Chess, wrestling, weight lifting, math contests, etc..............

1) Iranians have relatively higher testosterone levels
2) Iranian families are always fighting and screaming and so confrontation is a normal thing. This would carry over and become part of your personality, wouldn't it?

Where did you get the fact that Iranians have higher testosterone?
I am not sure who you are talking about, but the Iranian people and families that I know of are very respectful and polite.

Now, the characteristics which you have spoken about is also similar in Italians and Greeks. My initial guess would be that its an unconscious act and part of a social consciousness. Yet it is this same behaviour that makes us, Iranians, one of the best survivors in the game of life.

I can tell you though that one terrible behaviour that we have as Iranians is being judgmental.

[zubin]

Where did you get the fact that Iranians have higher testosterone?
I am not sure who you are talking about, but the Iranian people and families that I know of are very respectful and polite.

Now, the characteristics which you have spoken about is also similar in Italians and Greeks. My initial guess would be that its an unconscious act and part of a social consciousness. Yet it is this same behaviour that makes us, Iranians, one of the best survivors in the game of life.

I can tell you though that one terrible behaviour that we have as Iranians is being judgmental.

define "judgmental." i believe iranians are less judgmental than other cultures, just that its less obvious

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Defining Judgemental: A mental state that looks for duality and draws a conclusion purley on its own belief system....that is my definition.


What makes you believe that???

[zubin]

Defining Judgemental: A mental state that looks for duality and draws a conclusion purley on its own belief system....that is my definition.


What makes you believe that???

well you're the one saying iranians are very judgmental. do you mean we are more judgmental than other cultures?

i find that other "more enlightened" "western" cultures are very colonialist-minded still and in my opinion far more judgmental than iranians (at least if we are going to say iranians are more judgemental, well here is the other side of the story then).

they are still racist in some cases, in some cases 'culturalist' in that they believe their own culture, development, and ability are better than those of the rest of the world, from the caribbeans of where i live to iranians. this is just seen in their attitude, in the way they talk about other cultures, in their beliefs about other cultures, and in general research from hundreds if not thousands of academics.

the attitude that (excuse me) "rich white folks" are better than everyone else is simply the colonialist attitude that is the backbone of western imperialism for a long while now, and it is still in the psychology of their culture completely and socialized from prior to birth through language and assumptions in culture.

as a result, they are constantly judgemental against anyone that does not fit into their little group.

their bias in my opinion is far less excusable than our dislike of arabs or our self-hate, which are due to our circumstances rather than a true belief that we are better than everyone else.

[iraniandudeee]

WOOOOOOW, Wtf? the creater of this thread is a self-hating loser.... Who I garuentee gets his stereotypes off of the internet (wirrten by anti-Iranian pakis or Afghans), and exaggerates the hell out of them.

People like the thread starter probabely don't even know any Iranians in real, in most cases, they just make things (stereotypes) out of their arses.

The Iranian culture/Mentality/behaviour is alot less emotional and less dramatic than the western/American one.... We Iranians try to kill the drama any chance we get.

Our Persian/Iranian culture is alot more hospitable, and warm. We look down upon these kind of "drama/emotional/aggressive" mentalities... While they in the west encourage it, So if you have ever met an Iranian that fits the category of the thread starter, then, they are clearly Americanized/westernized or are idiots, but they can't be culturaly or mentaly Iranian.

But I have never met any Iranians that fit this kind of discription before, all the Iranians I have met 99% of the time have had eachothers back and helped eachother alot....

The Persian/Iranian culture is alot better than most cultures... Not trying to offend others, but there are superior/positive cultures and inferior/backwards cultures amongst us, doesn't matter if you want to admite it or not, everyone except the clueless simple minded people know this is true.

[iraniandudeee]

P.s. For the person mentioning "Persian pride", buddy, the people that act like that don't even know the meaning of being Persian/Iranian, they wouldn't know Persian/Iranian culture even if it hit them in the face.

They (whoever they are) are Americanized/Westernized and have nothing to do with Iranian culture or people.

Btw, just because some people say "OOO, I have Persian pride" doesn't mean that they actually have it, you can't just say "I have Iranian/Persian pride" you also have to show it, and you show it by NOT acting like a self-hating douche bag with fake pride, and benefit your people and community every chance you get.

I'm myself very nationalistic, so I'm probabely the person with the most pride and joy about Iran (its culture, history, identity, etc...) you can find on this forum.

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Douche bag..now that is word....lol

Zubin jaan, I said we were judgmental but I did not say more or less than any culture. I personally don't do much comparing, I however do focus on one point without comparing it as being good or bad (at least in most cases I try to, sometimes I fail). For example I never say Persians are better than Arabs but I do believe that Arabs are generally a lower state of consciousness, that does not make Iranians better just more advanced in life.

Another example would be man and woman, though I find the notion of duality of beingness an amusing gesture, I do believe that women are more civilized than men, that does not make them better or worse.

Judgment in my opinion limits one from learning everything that life has to offer. Judgment causes duality in the mind, up/down, good/bad, yes/no...this behaviour I have seen in us / Iranians prevalent, but I never insinuated it was good or bad behaviour.

Getting back to the subject of the post...the postee mentions that we are good in individual sports but not in group sports yet he says we are good at basketball...I could swear that basketball is a team sport. Plus in the world of Soccer we are very much respected and he mentions that we did win a championship not to mention a world cup.

So my conclusion is that en agha goo gigeh dareh va khodesham nemidoneh chi dareh migeh...

[zubin]

Douche bag..now that is word....lol

Zubin jaan, I said we were judgmental but I did not say more or less than any culture. I personally don't do much comparing, I however do focus on one point without comparing it as being good or bad (at least in most cases I try to, sometimes I fail). For example I never say Persians are better than Arabs but I do believe that Arabs are generally a lower state of consciousness, that does not make Iranians better just more advanced in life.

Another example would be man and woman, though I find the notion of duality of beingness an amusing gesture, I do believe that women are more civilized than men, that does not make them better or worse.

Judgment in my opinion limits one from learning everything that life has to offer. Judgment causes duality in the mind, up/down, good/bad, yes/no...this behaviour I have seen in us / Iranians prevalent, but I never insinuated it was good or bad behaviour.

Getting back to the subject of the post...the postee mentions that we are good in individual sports but not in group sports yet he says we are good at basketball...I could swear that basketball is a team sport. Plus in the world of Soccer we are very much respected and he mentions that we did win a championship not to mention a world cup.

So my conclusion is that en agha goo gigeh dareh va khodesham nemidoneh chi dareh migeh...

yeah i dont think the thread maker meant it to be that serious. but you have to understand that a stereotype is a very easily communicable disease hence the reactions.