Kurdistan, New Israel

[donsaeid]

This is really dangerous!

Kurds are using same channels zionists did in post WWII

and their closest friend is Israel now!

DANGER DANGER!

first danger of bahai and now danger of kurdistan! Israel sees its existence in problems in middle east!

If there is peace in middle east hauks of israel think their country with vanish!

[donsaeid]

همراهی ايران با ترکيه در حمله به شورشيان کرد

گزارشها از کردستان عراق حاکی از اين است که در حالی که ارتش ترکيه در حال عملياتی در مرز خود با عراق عليه حزب کارگران کرد (پ. ک. ک) است، ايران نيز در تعقيب شاخه ايرانی اين حزب، موسوم به پژاک، مناطقی در شمال عراق را هدف آتش توپخانه قرار داده است.

پايگاه اطلاع رسانی اتحاديه مينهی کردستان عراق که يکی از دو حزب حاکم بر اين منطقه است خبر داده که در طول شب مناطقی در حوالی شهر سيديکان در شهرتان سوران در استان اربيل که در نزديکی محل تلاقی مرزهای ايران، عراق و ترکيه قرار دارد زير آتش توپحانه از هر دو جانب ايران و ترکيه قرار گرفته، تا آنجا که سه روستا بکلی در آتش سوخته اند و مردم اين روستاها و شش روستای ديگر خانه های خود را رها کرده و به مناطق امن پناه برده اند.

هفده روز پيشتر نيز حمله توپخانه سپاه پاسداران ايران به کوهستان قنديل در شهرستان پشدر در استان سليمانيه عراق گزارش شده بود اما تلفات و خسارات آن هنوز اعلام نشده است.

اين حملات در شرايطی رخ می دهد که طی هفته های اخير درگيريهای شورشيان کرد با و سپاه پاسداران ايران و ارتش ترکيه شدت گرفته و نظاميان هر دو کشور ايران و ترکيه عملياتی را برای سرکوب اين شورشيان در دست اجرا دارند.

ارتش ترکيه طی روزهای اخير هزاران تن از نفرات خود را در مرز با عراق گردآورده و اعلام کرده که "عزمی تزلزل ناپذير در نبرد با تروريسم" دارد.

چهارشنبه شب گذشته گزارشهايی مخابره شد حاکی از اينکه گروه ششصد نفره از ارتش ترکيه وارد کردستان عراق شده و پس از حمله به پايگاههای حزب کارگران کرد به کشورشان بازگشته اند.

دولت ترکيه اين گزارشها را تکذيب کرده و با اينکه نخست وزير ترکيه پيشتر گفته بود که در صورتی که ارتش بخواهد در تعقيب شورشيان کرد وارد خاک عراق شود از چنين اقدامی حمايت خواهد کرد اين بار که گزارشهايی از چنين مداخله ای مخابره شده، وی علاوه بر تکذيب اين گزارشها تأکيد کرده که چنين عملياتی بايد با تصويب مجلس انجام گيرد، مجلسی که اکثريت کرسيهای آن را نمايندگان حزب حاکم عدالت و توسعه در دست دارند.

در حالی که در عراق بيم آن می رود که ارتش ترکيه به مداخله نظامی در شمال اين کشور بزند و مقابله کردهای محلی با ارتش ترکيه، بر نا امنی و بی ثباتی در عراق بيفزايد، در ترکيه از عمليات ارتش ترکيه در مرز عراق به عنوان نوعی قدرتنمايی سياسی تعبير می شود.

ارتش ترکيه که خود را پاسدار جدايی دين از سياست در ترکيه می داند بر سر تعيين رئيس جمهور آينده با دولت رودررو شده که در دست سياستمداران اسلامگرا قرار دارد.

از سوی ديگر، آمريکا نيز مخالفت خود را با مداخله نظامی ترکيه در عراق ابراز کرده و به دولت ترکيه در اين ارتباط هشدار داده است.

[donsaeid]

i support every fight against kurdish separatists!

[mike435]

This is really dangerous!

Kurds are using same channels zionists did in post WWII

and their closest friend is Israel now!

DANGER DANGER!

first danger of bahai and now danger of kurdistan! Israel sees its existence in problems in middle east!

If there is peace in middle east hauks of israel think their country with vanish!

lololololololol
DANGER DANGER thats the funniest

[donsaeid]

lololololololol
DANGER DANGER thats the funniest

nothing is funny about that! it is really dangerous!

a kurdistan will led 4-5 countries (atleast) into a war! you find it funny? stop consuming so much alcohol dude! it isnt goood for your brain cells!

[mike435]

nothing is funny about that! it is really dangerous!

a kurdistan will led 4-5 countries (atleast) into a war! you find it funny? stop consuming so much alcohol dude! it isnt goood for your brain cells!

i am not informed about the the kurds who they are or what they do or what there role is
but here are some things that i am pretty sure of

first off they are a small group of people, what can they do
second off ,whats wrong if they have there own state they have a separate culture different language and have always been minorities in land they live or the area the live there is nothing wrong if they have there own state

Pakistanis have there own state
jews have there own state
palastinians will soon have there own state
why cant the Kurds

also this is just a small s***mish and thats it if the radical islamic movement is having so much problem to progress, you think these Kurds have the convictions to get there own land, when even these radical islamic groups havnt been able to secure a state for there cause and they have insane conviction a conviction to kill and be killd and see there mission as devine
this is why i think you are over reacting
once it gets to costly it will go back to normal

oh and the alcohol thing
i invite you to a drink

[donsaeid]

first off they are a small group of people, what can they do

they are over 20 000 000 spread in 5 country! and 4-5 million kurds live all around the world. and also well armed thanx to USA and Israel and Even Iran for Supporting them against Saddam!

Let us give land to everyone and everything! when cake is sliced in small pieces it is easier to eat!!!

that is what big powers want middleeast to be! some small countries here and there and they push on their differences and there you go! you have your allies to suck on and your enemies so you can sell arms to your allies!



just think of if all small countries around persian gulf were one big oil and gas nation! kuwait, bahrain, qatar, emarats and oman! if all that was one country what kind of influence and power would it have!

[donsaeid]

Discovering the Urge to Go Tell the Spartans


"Go tell the Spartans, thou who passeth by / That here, obedient to her laws, we lie."

- Translated by John Dryden from memorials of the Spartan sacrifice at the Battle of Thermopylae

The past week included a whirlwind of activities for the Myers clan, California branch. With the oldest son's graduation from Valencia High School on June 4, our second daughter, Karen, whirled in from Chicago on Friday for the important event.

During the visit, I experienced the ultimate pride of a parent: when one's adult child morphs into a pleasant, exciting and helpful houseguest. At age 29, Karen works for a Chicago-based advertising agency devising and executing promotions for the touring company of Cirque de Soleil. I felt the true parent's pride on Monday at lunch when she talked shop with LDI's director of market development, talking about things for which I possessed no understanding.

But even more stunning than her accomplishment and knowledge, I noted that Karen completely shed herself of teenage and early-20s narcissism when she spoke of the war in Iraq. Due to the morning scheduling of the radio station programmed into her alarm clock, she awakens each day to the casualty count from Iraq and Afghanistan. She shared that every time she hears the body count she feels a thrust of heartbreak, wishing beyond hope this terrible war could end and the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines could come home, or at least fall back to more defensible positions where they do not provide targets of opportunity for the warring factions.

She shared an even more trenchant feeling while we moved towards the graduation ceremony at College of the Canyons. The military, their families and loved ones, currently fight this war like the mercenary tribes of old; the modern day Spartans who bore the brunt of the battle against the Persian Empire. The rest of us cheer them on and offer tacit support, but we certainly do not pay the direct high price of our nation's collective policy.

Our family certainly does not. While some young men and women in the purple and gold robed crowd that night may soon join the military, they do so solely at their choice and not due to any citizen obligation. My son will not join the military and while others his age train to deploy, fight, suffer and possibly die in Iraq, in the fall he will stand one block away from the Pacific Ocean and three blocks away from Torrey Pines Championship Golf Course on the beautiful campus of the University of California-San Diego. His mother and I will worry about the pedestrian risks of keeping his bursers account in good standing, and not dread the personal visit of the uniformed chaplain to tell us our son died gallantly serving his country.

Many misguided souls, some who submit their written musings to this very newspaper, state that one does not support the troops if one questions the war. Now that I must daily confront my early cheerleading of the war, I must come to a much starker conclusion: The only persons with any right to support the war include only the warriors themselves and their families that shoulder the crushing burden of this mismanaged war. The rest of us should seek solely to rouse our elected civilian leaders to pursue policies that pull them out of harm's way with all expeditious force. With that in mind I propose the following solution to the now civil war in Iraq.

The U.S., along with Syria, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and anyone else with an opinion, moves to partition the former Iraq into Sunni, Kurdish and Shia enclaves. A U.N. force composed mainly of Muslim forces (the Turks are the obvious choice with the most developed and professional military in the region) enforces the partition to minimize bloodshed.

The U.N. would also enforce an oil revenue sharing agreement between the various republics to prevent the Sunni Triangle's status as an impoverished rump republic.

Powerful U.S. and British forces would withdraw to bases in the friendly nations of Kuwait and Qatar to serve a dual purpose. First, to set up and administer refugee camps near the border for fleeing Iraqis to prevent their entrance into neighboring countries and causing a great destabilization. Second, to enforce the sovereignty and security of the newly constituted republics from external threats through a no fly zone similar to that used to protect Kurdistan from Iraq from 1991 to 2003.

Isolated from outside forces and without a foreign occupying army to scapegoat, the Iraqis must then face their internal issues and once and for all decide to stay separate or unify in a strong, progressive federal republic.

Then and only then, we can go tell the Spartans that we are indeed victorious.

[donsaeid]

Kurdish Protests In Syria, Iran Raising Concerns


Recent Kurdish riots in Syria and demonstrations in Iran are raising concerns that Kurdish minorities could follow the lead of Iraqi Kurds in pursuing greater independence and recognition. Turkey, Syria, and Iran have substantial Kurdish minorities, and their governments are keeping a wary eye on developments in Iraq. However, analysts say the three countries present very different cases.

Prague, 16 March 2004 (RFE/RL) -- The gains of Iraq's Kurds in their pursuit of autonomy has ignited similar hopes among Kurdish minorities in neighboring countries -- and raised concerns among regional governments.

On 12 March, violence erupted during a soccer match in El-Qamishliye, a town in the Kurdish region of Syria near the borders with Turkey and Iraq.

Reports say the riots left at least 15 people dead and nearly 150 injured. Details of the incident remain unclear. Abdul Rahman Ahmed, a member of the coordinating committee for Syrian Kurds, told RFE/RL the violence was instigated by Arab nationalists worried that the Kurdish drive for autonomy will spread from Iraq to Syria. "Developments in Iraq -- particularly on the federalism issue -- kindled rage and worry among some of the extremist circles of our Arab brothers [in Syria]," he said.

Friday's soccer riot quickly spread unrest throughout Syrian Kurdistan, with Kurds demonstrating for greater autonomy. Ahmed says the Kurds in Syria are heartened by the gains of their ethnic kin in Iraq, whose autonomy was extended in the country's new interim constitution.

"For sure, Syrian Kurds feel exultation and gratification regarding the progress in Iraq. [The Kurdish] people there have rid themselves of the danger of genocide, repression and denial. It is not only a nationalistic issue, but also a humanistic [one] that affects our people's historic rights to enjoy democracy, peace and stability. The concept of a united, democratic, federal Iraq is particularly important," he said.

Iraq's interim constitution leaves unresolved the future degree of autonomy for the country's Kurdish regions. But it does recognize federalism as the system of government for Iraq and accepts the current level of self-rule enjoyed by the country's Kurds.

The situation is more difficult for Kurds living under Syria's authoritarian rule. The Syrian Constitution does not acknowledge Kurds as a separate nation. At the same time, more than a quarter-million of the country's Kurds live without Syrian citizenship, after being excluded from the country's last census in 1962. Many Kurds in Syria hope pressure from the United States -- which is threatening Syria with sanctions for its alleged support of terrorist groups -- will force Damascus to soften its stance on the Kurdish issue.

The Kurdish issue, of course, extends beyond Iraq and Syria to Iran and Turkey. Analysts say the situation varies from country to country. Neil Partrick of the Economist Intelligence Unit in London says political unity is highest among the Iraqi Kurds -- which explains, in part, why they have had the greatest success in advancing their goal of autonomy. "In the Iraqi case, of course, their degree of national identity has traditionally been formally recognized in principle, even if usually compromised in practice," he said. "But the basic notion of the Kurdish identity being upheld and having weight is something which, in the past -- in Syria, especially, of the two countries -- is not given any form of representation."

Partrick says the relatively large number of Kurds in Iraq, and their assistance to the United States in the war to oust President Saddam Hussein, have left the group with considerable bargaining power -- even effective veto power over future constitutional changes.

The situation is different in Turkey, where the government -- not the Kurdish minority -- is allied with the United States. Even as Washington has voiced support for Iraqi Kurds, it has pledged to curtail the activities of armed Turkish Kurds in northern Iraq.

It's a situation, Partrick says, that leaves Turkish Kurds with little hope their own demand for autonomy will ever be met. "As far as Kurds in Turkey are concerned, they remain in the situation of obviously ongoing frustration, and their formal representatives within the system do not seem to be adequately satisfying their aspirations," he said. "So, that's obviously an ongoing and particular case. I think, though, it's a very distinct one, and the Turkish political situation, which on the one hand allows some degree of representation, of course on the other hand has been accused of human right abuses."

In Iran, Kurds have their own province and are relatively free to participate in the country's political life, traditionally by supporting reformist politicians. But their political impact was dealt a severe setback by last month's elections, when the vast majority of opposition candidates were barred from running.

Ali Reza Nourizadeh is the director of the London-based Center for Arab-Iranian Studies. He says Iranian Kurds in the past week held public gatherings celebrating Iraq's interim constitution and the autonomy of the Iraqi Kurds. Several people were reported injured and dozens arrested when Iranian authorities broke up the gatherings.

Nourizadeh says Iranian Kurds are generally proud to be a part of Iran, and are seeking greater autonomy and rights -- but not full independence. "So, they don't want to separate from us [Iran]. They never, never thought of having an independent country," he said. "They want to be part of Iran but at the same time they want their rights to be guaranteed and respected."

What unites all Kurds throughout Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, Nourizadeh said, is the fact that they see the sign of a brighter future in the autonomy of the Iraqi Kurds.

[mike435]

they are over 20 000 000 spread in 5 country! and 4-5 million kurds live all around the world. and also well armed thanx to USA and Israel and Even Iran for Supporting them against Saddam!

Let us give land to everyone and everything! when cake is sliced in small pieces it is easier to eat!!!

that is what big powers want middleeast to be! some small countries here and there and they push on their differences and there you go! you have your allies to suck on and your enemies so you can sell arms to your allies!



just think of if all small countries around persian gulf were one big oil and gas nation! kuwait, bahrain, qatar, emarats and oman! if all that was one country what kind of influence and power would it have!

this is how they are spread if they get there own land some of iran iraq and probably a bit of turkey will go.

look you dont belive that every group of people deserve to live free in there own land. Apparantly they have been in that area for a long time.

and if all these small countries were consolidated there would be civil wars all over and all the time

that is why they have cartels and unions

and yea you are right having many countries is alot easier to keep a whole region weak.

[donsaeid]

and yea you are right having many countries is alot easier to keep a whole region weak.

thanks for agreeing atleast once!

That map isnt what kurds want

let me show you what they want as country

and this one

30 Prosent of Turkey and 20 Prosent of Iraq Plus 10-15 Prosent of Iran will be taken!

Iraq will loose almost half of it oil.

Iran Will loose that strategic oil pipe to Europe and strategic borders in North West!

Turkey will have also alot problems which im not aware of!


NEVER NEVER NEVER will a country be there as Kurdistan! NEVER!

[mike435]

thanks for agreeing atleast once!

That map isnt what kurds want

let me show you what they want as country

and this one

30 Prosent of Turkey and 20 Prosent of Iraq Plus 10-15 Prosent of Iran will be taken!

Iraq will loose almost half of it oil.

Iran Will loose that strategic oil pipe to Europe and strategic borders in North West!

Turkey will have also alot problems which im not aware of!


NEVER NEVER NEVER will a country be there as Kurdistan! NEVER!

i think it is a legitimate right for theme to have there own state in the 60-100% region but the rest what are they thinking

and come one man you cant say that why are you so keen to deny there right to a state which they deserve.

and tell you the truth coming from you it is very surprising when you care so much about the Palestinians rights

[donsaeid]

why do they deserve it? have they been any kingdom? have they had any history?

palestinian lived there! israel had a kingdom there! and that land was part of english empire!

but these land belong to 5 different countries!

[mike435]

but arnt they indiginous to that area
with there own languge culture "race"

[donsaeid]

kurds are part of persian emiper! persia were devided in 3 parts before kourosh kabir! parts, pars and maads! and kurds come from maads!