View Full Version : Latin America warms to Iran amid anti-U.S. sentiment
zubin
08-29-2007, 11:00 AM
CARACAS (Reuters) - Iran is gaining influence in Latin America as the region turns away from Washington and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad courts new allies to counter U.S. efforts to isolate his government.
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez and other leftist leaders from Cuba to Ecuador, many of them sympathetic to Chavez's anti-U.S. rhetoric, have struck energy, trade and investment deals with Iran.
The growing ties come despite international criticism of Tehran's nuclear enrichment program and a possible new U.N. sanctions resolution against it.
But the United States now faces relentless criticism from the Venezuela-led bloc of left-wing leaders in Latin America.
Chavez, who is pushing a self-styled socialist revolution openly opposed to Washington, has nudged his allies to do business with Ahmadinejad's Iran.
"Since there has been no coherent United States policy toward Latin America, there's a window of opportunity for the Iranians to come fill the vacuum," said Riordan Roett of the Latin American Studies Program at Johns Hopkins University.
Venezuela and Iran have signed scores of accords ranging from car and tractor factories to agreements giving Tehran access to Venezuelan oil fields. Venezuelan is also supplying gasoline to Iran as it struggles with domestic rationing.
"The two countries will together defeat the imperialism of North America," a beaming Chavez said during an official visit to Iran last month.
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Iran has also moved beyond Venezuela with Ahmadinejad visiting other countries in the region.
Ecuador, which has worried Wall Street with threats to halt payments on some of its foreign debt, last month signed a deal to boost investment and bilateral trade with Iran.
Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, who led a Marxist government in a civil war against U.S.-backed rebels in the 1980s and returned to power this year, has secured Iranian investment in a $350 million ocean port and a $120 million hydroelectric plant to ease chronic blackouts.
Communist Cuba, which like Iran is under a U.S. embargo, has brought in Iranian investment in infrastructure and construction projects and negotiated supply contracts to provide Iran with medical technology.
Iran's business interests extend beyond the Chavez-led bloc. Brazil's moderate leftist President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has encouraged trade with Iran and state oil company Petrobras' oil exploration efforts there.
Lula has, however, avoided any overtly political affiliation and his government has banned the sale and transfer of nuclear equipment and technology to Iran.
Argentina, led by another leftist, President Nestor ***chner, has vigorously avoided any rapprochement.
Last year, it ordered an international arrest warrant for former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani on charges of involvement in the 1994 bombing of a Jewish center in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people.
Analysts say some Latin American countries are seeking new alliances in part because the U.S. government has largely ignored the region in recent years as it focuses on its declared war against terrorism.
China has extended its economic influence across much of Latin America, and Iran uses its alliances to help prevent its isolation by Washington on the global stage.
"Iran is trying to create a geopolitical balance with the United States," said Bill Samii, an Iran expert with the Center for Naval Analyses in Virginia. "With U.S. troops operating in the Persian Gulf, they're trying to say 'We can operate in your neck of the woods too."'
RedWine
08-29-2007, 11:03 AM
Kia ? bolivia va venezuela ? :lol:
zubin
08-29-2007, 03:15 PM
na kheyli-ha hastan, mesle brezil va ecuador ham hast. beeshtar ham dare meeshe, chon amreka MEEKHAD moshkele iran bozorg beshe. amreeka ya khenge ya evile, chon ba een keshvaraye socialisti bad dar oftade va eena irano ghabul kardan.
hade aghal socialism behtare baraye faghr ba badbakhti... be nazare man khuban...
RedWine
08-30-2007, 03:44 AM
na kheyli-ha hastan, mesle brezil va ecuador ham hast. beeshtar ham dare meeshe, chon amreka MEEKHAD moshkele iran bozorg beshe. amreeka ya khenge ya evile, chon ba een keshvaraye socialisti bad dar oftade va eena irano ghabul kardan.
hade aghal socialism behtare baraye faghr ba badbakhti... be nazare man khuban...
Shayad is names Socialism vali az Socialism faghat esmesh ro estefadeh mikonan va dar dakhel va baten hich chizi az Socialism nadaran Ramin jan .
Afradi mesl-e Chavez , Morales , Ortega or Correa hich vaght nemitavanand un system-e real Socialism ra dar South America ijad konan va in ro U.S.A midanad.
Inha hamash mikhan alaki News ro por konand shoma agar safar kardeh bashid beh in keshvar ha mibinid keh hamash harf hast va tou khali va hich chizi nadaran keh betavanand bedan vasileh beh Iran komak konand va ya ba an jeloy-e U.S.A ra begirand.
Faghr va bad bakhti enghadar bala hast keh hich sourakh-i ra nemitavanand ba Socialism por konand.
U.S.A ham agar bekhad,beh rahati in keshvar ha ra beh sourat-e gheir-e mostaghim control konad.
zubin
08-30-2007, 10:20 AM
Shayad is names Socialism vali az Socialism faghat esmesh ro estefadeh mikonan va dar dakhel va baten hich chizi az Socialism nadaran Ramin jan .
Afradi mesl-e Chavez , Morales , Ortega or Correa hich vaght nemitavanand un system-e real Socialism ra dar South America ijad konan va in ro U.S.A midanad.
Inha hamash mikhan alaki News ro por konand shoma agar safar kardeh bashid beh in keshvar ha mibinid keh hamash harf hast va tou khali va hich chizi nadaran keh betavanand bedan vasileh beh Iran komak konand va ya ba an jeloy-e U.S.A ra begirand.
Faghr va bad bakhti enghadar bala hast keh hich sourakh-i ra nemitavanand ba Socialism por konand.
U.S.A ham agar bekhad,beh rahati in keshvar ha ra beh sourat-e gheir-e mostaghim control konad.
Vali asksare adamaye Venezuela (masalan) karaye Chavezo ghabul daran, ke darad kheyli komak meekone... Shoma saro sedaye yek gheshre kheyli kucheeke een keshvar-ha ro meeshnavi ke pool-daran meekhan pool-dar tar beshan. Chavez etefaghan be fagheer-ha kheyli komak KARDEH va dare meekone.
Yek soal. Chejuri US meetune een keshvar-ha ro "control" kone? Meedunam US kheyli tu een chiz-ha zur dare. Vali belakhare adam-haye aadiye donya hameeshe meetunan enghelabe socialisti anjam bedan. adama agar baraye komak kardane badbakhti motahed beshan, ke kheyli jaha daran meeshan, US kari nemeetune bokone.
RedWine
08-30-2007, 10:26 AM
Vali asksare adamaye Venezuela (masalan) karaye Chavezo ghabul daran, ke darad kheyli komak meekone... Shoma saro sedaye yek gheshre kheyli kucheeke een keshvar-ha ro meeshnavi ke pool-daran meekhan pool-dar tar beshan. Chavez etefaghan be fagheer-ha kheyli komak KARDEH va dare meekone.
Yek soal. Chejuri US meetune een keshvar-ha ro "control" kone? Meedunam US kheyli tu een chiz-ha zur dare. Vali belakhare adam-haye aadiye donya hameeshe meetunan enghelabe socialisti anjam bedan. adama agar baraye komak kardane badbakhti motahed beshan, ke kheyli jaha daran meeshan, US kari nemeetune bokone.
Bandeh sar va seday-e kasi ro mishnavam keh Dictator hast , daghighan kari keh Khamenei mikoneh ! in ha chiz haei nist keh kasi ta beh hal nadideh basheh,Chavez beh yek dahom komak mikoneh ta beh rouyeh noh daham az mardom hokumat koneh !
Doust-e aziz,man ham vaghti ham sene shoma budam,tassavor bar in mikardam keh afradi mesl-e Chavez va Ortega va etc.. mitavanand south america ra nejat bedahan vali dar in keshvar ha beh haddi corruption vojud darad keh hatta khod-e Khoda ham nemitavanad system-e ghabli ra pak va sepas democracy vaghei ra dar anja ijad konan.
Shoma,Ramin jan,hatman bayad yek safar tashrif bebari Venezuela or Colombia or Rio ! hatman manzur-e man ra motevajeh khahi shod,beh khosus agar Espaņol ham harf bezani.
U.S.A saheb-e donyast cheh ma bekhahim va ya cheh nakhahim !digeh baghiash bi faydeh hast.
kam kam ba gozasht-e sal ha,nazar-e shoma avaz khahad shod :=) .
zubin
08-30-2007, 11:57 AM
Bandeh sar va seday-e kasi ro mishnavam keh Dictator hast , daghighan kari keh Khamenei mikoneh ! in ha chiz haei nist keh kasi ta beh hal nadideh basheh,Chavez beh yek dahom komak mikoneh ta beh rouyeh noh daham az mardom hokumat koneh !
Doust-e aziz,man ham vaghti ham sene shoma budam,tassavor bar in mikardam keh afradi mesl-e Chavez va Ortega va etc.. mitavanand south america ra nejat bedahan vali dar in keshvar ha beh haddi corruption vojud darad keh hatta khod-e Khoda ham nemitavanad system-e ghabli ra pak va sepas democracy vaghei ra dar anja ijad konan.
Shoma,Ramin jan,hatman bayad yek safar tashrif bebari Venezuela or Colombia or Rio ! hatman manzur-e man ra motevajeh khahi shod,beh khosus agar Espaņol ham harf bezani.
U.S.A saheb-e donyast cheh ma bekhahim va ya cheh nakhahim !digeh baghiash bi faydeh hast.
kam kam ba gozasht-e sal ha,nazar-e shoma avaz khahad shod :=) .
nazar ba sen avaz meeshe, vali bayad aval mano beshnasi ta ghezavat koni chejuri avaz meeshe. Man aslan nagoftam ke Chavez amrek jonubi ro nejat meede. Ghabul daram ke een nazare eshtebahiye. VALI, faghr va badbakhti mohemtareen mozu-han, na "azadi" ("azadi" tu yek donyaye por faghr va khoshunat nemeetune vojud dashte bashe), va ba socialism dorost meeshan; *liberalism marhaleye baad az nejat dadane adamaye badbakhte*. Va amreka bozorgtareen amele jenayat va badbakhtiye.
Be een dalayel, hatta az deedgahe *elmi*, een gharar dad-haye keshvar-haye jahane sevom bar alayhe amreka khub hastan.
Va man raftam Venezeula, Argantin ham raftam. Badbakhti dar Argantin KHEYLI vahshatnaktare CHON neo-liberal budan. Adamaye badbakht faramoush shode budan, kheyli kheyli bad bud. Chavez yek ghavaneeni dorost KARDE ke be nafe fogharas, be anha ahameeyat meede. Aali neest Chavez, va daleelesh momkene hokumate dictatoriye JAHANI bashe.
Een-ha vaghat nazaraye "javuni"ye man neest. Man faghat ba olum kar meekonam. Momkene ke nazare man eshtebah bashe, momkene dorost. Vali faghat ba olum kar meekonam. Dorostesh ham eene.
abadani69
08-30-2007, 12:38 PM
I love it when you guys are arguing about some stupid politic stuff :D kheily ba ham jar vo bahs mikonid sare in chizast. mitarsam akharesh ham khodetoon ro bekhatere politics bokoshid :D Vali I enjoy it :D
Ramin, tu ke 23 saalet bood, chejoori yeho too in chand rooze shodi 26? nakone 3 saal gozasht vo man khodam khabar nadaram :D:lol: looooool
anyways, sorry bahsetoon ro avaz kardam. You can go back fighting and killing each other :Dloool
RedWine
08-31-2007, 06:35 AM
nazar ba sen avaz meeshe, vali bayad aval mano beshnasi ta ghezavat koni chejuri avaz meeshe. Man aslan nagoftam ke Chavez amrek jonubi ro nejat meede. Ghabul daram ke een nazare eshtebahiye. VALI, faghr va badbakhti mohemtareen mozu-han, na "azadi" ("azadi" tu yek donyaye por faghr va khoshunat nemeetune vojud dashte bashe), va ba socialism dorost meeshan; *liberalism marhaleye baad az nejat dadane adamaye badbakhte*. Va amreka bozorgtareen amele jenayat va badbakhtiye.
Be een dalayel, hatta az deedgahe *elmi*, een gharar dad-haye keshvar-haye jahane sevom bar alayhe amreka khub hastan.
Va man raftam Venezeula, Argantin ham raftam. Badbakhti dar Argantin KHEYLI vahshatnaktare CHON neo-liberal budan. Adamaye badbakht faramoush shode budan, kheyli kheyli bad bud. Chavez yek ghavaneeni dorost KARDE ke be nafe fogharas, be anha ahameeyat meede. Aali neest Chavez, va daleelesh momkene hokumate dictatoriye JAHANI bashe.
Een-ha vaghat nazaraye "javuni"ye man neest. Man faghat ba olum kar meekonam. Momkene ke nazare man eshtebah bashe, momkene dorost. Vali faghat ba olum kar meekonam. Dorostesh ham eene.
Ramin jan man aslan shoma ro ''judge'' nemikonam hatta ba in keh in real world kar-e man in hast :=).
Hamantor keh goftam,man ham mesl-e shoma budam, in middle 80s ham man mesl-e shoma fekr mikardam vali hala ba gozasht-e nazdik-e 20 sal,digeh in masael ra anjur keh mididam nemibinam !
Man albateh khosh hal hastam keh to ro injuri mibinam,sa'ay nakon avaz beshi ! agar bekham behet begam keh dar in salha keh nazdik beh 20 sal hast cheh chizhaei ro didam va shenidam va tajrobeh kardam hatman khahi fahmid keh chera adam haei mesl-e man ba un aghayed keh shoma dari alan,avaz shodan.
Moafagh bashi va baray-e hadafi keh dari mobarezeh kon,shayad laghal to betuni chizi ro avaz koni,man ham hamin dor va var hastam,khabaram kon ageh ehtiaj beh hamkari dashti :=) .
zubin
08-31-2007, 02:23 PM
Ramin jan man aslan shoma ro ''judge'' nemikonam hatta ba in keh in real world kar-e man in hast :=).
Hamantor keh goftam,man ham mesl-e shoma budam, in middle 80s ham man mesl-e shoma fekr mikardam vali hala ba gozasht-e nazdik-e 20 sal,digeh in masael ra anjur keh mididam nemibinam !
Man albateh khosh hal hastam keh to ro injuri mibinam,sa'ay nakon avaz beshi ! agar bekham behet begam keh dar in salha keh nazdik beh 20 sal hast cheh chizhaei ro didam va shenidam va tajrobeh kardam hatman khahi fahmid keh chera adam haei mesl-e man ba un aghayed keh shoma dari alan,avaz shodan.
Moafagh bashi va baray-e hadafi keh dari mobarezeh kon,shayad laghal to betuni chizi ro avaz koni,man ham hamin dor va var hastam,khabaram kon ageh ehtiaj beh hamkari dashti :=) .
kheyli mamnoonam... va hatman komaketuno meegeeram. faghat meegam shayad aghayedamo dagheegh nemeeduni (va az een nazar ghezavat meekoni). senamo (hameeshe) nega nakon, alan tu danesh-gaha adamaye sene balatar daran az theoriye "policy"am estefade meekonan. va aghayedamo ke goftam eena ke shoma gofti nabud. man meegam bayad aamel-haye badbakhti ro az bayn bord ke azadi be vojud beeyad. een yek teze elmi hast. agar eshtebas, shoma begeed chera.
Baad... tajrobe ke hagheeghate kamele yek moshkel va rahe halo nemeege... eeno motovaje nemeesham. Khodamo tu badtareen sharayet tasavor kardam, baghyaram tu badtareen sharayet deedam, va chizi bar alayhe aghayedam nemeege... Man khodamam nemeegam harfam kamelan sad dar sad doroste, vali baresi kardam ke mohemi dare va komak meekone...
zubin
08-31-2007, 02:36 PM
I love it when you guys are arguing about some stupid politic stuff :D kheily ba ham jar vo bahs mikonid sare in chizast. mitarsam akharesh ham khodetoon ro bekhatere politics bokoshid :D Vali I enjoy it :D
Ramin, tu ke 23 saalet bood, chejoori yeho too in chand rooze shodi 26? nakone 3 saal gozasht vo man khodam khabar nadaram :D:lol: looooool
anyways, sorry bahsetoon ro avaz kardam. You can go back fighting and killing each other :Dloool
khodetam bendaz vasat, khejalat nakesh. :lol:
abadani69
08-31-2007, 02:43 PM
bahs age bahse dokhtar vo khanom bazi bood ba kale miomadam vasat vo nemizashtam ke shoma in dokhtara ro sahab beshid. vali hala ke bahse siasat vo jang vo bokosh bokoshe mizaram nasibe shoma beshe ke ye kheiri ham bebinid :D:D:lol:looooool
RedWine
09-02-2007, 08:45 AM
kheyli mamnoonam... va hatman komaketuno meegeeram. faghat meegam shayad aghayedamo dagheegh nemeeduni (va az een nazar ghezavat meekoni). senamo (hameeshe) nega nakon, alan tu danesh-gaha adamaye sene balatar daran az theoriye "policy"am estefade meekonan. va aghayedamo ke goftam eena ke shoma gofti nabud. man meegam bayad aamel-haye badbakhti ro az bayn bord ke azadi be vojud beeyad. een yek teze elmi hast. agar eshtebas, shoma begeed chera.
Baad... tajrobe ke hagheeghate kamele yek moshkel va rahe halo nemeege... eeno motovaje nemeesham. Khodamo tu badtareen sharayet tasavor kardam, baghyaram tu badtareen sharayet deedam, va chizi bar alayhe aghayedam nemeege... Man khodamam nemeegam harfam kamelan sad dar sad doroste, vali baresi kardam ke mohemi dare va komak meekone...
Man negah beh hichi nemikonam joz inkeh hamantor keh goftam,injur sohbat ha ro ziad shenidam va didam keh HICH kodam beh jaei naresidan.
Mohem nist keh harfet dorosteh ya nah,mohem ineh keh hadafet chieh va hamintor beri jelo ta beh hadafet beresi,shayad to la'aghal betavani natijeh delkhahet ro begiri az in jaryan va afkari keh dari,mohem hamineh keh beri beh donbal-e hadafet !
zubin
09-03-2007, 09:13 AM
Man negah beh hichi nemikonam joz inkeh hamantor keh goftam,injur sohbat ha ro ziad shenidam va didam keh HICH kodam beh jaei naresidan.
Mohem nist keh harfet dorosteh ya nah,mohem ineh keh hadafet chieh va hamintor beri jelo ta beh hadafet beresi,shayad to la'aghal betavani natijeh delkhahet ro begiri az in jaryan va afkari keh dari,mohem hamineh keh beri beh donbal-e hadafet !
khob hamamun yek hadaf mage nadareem? hoghughe bashar, azadi va eftekhar kardan az keshvareman...
RedWine
09-03-2007, 09:34 AM
khob hamamun yek hadaf mage nadareem? hoghughe bashar, azadi va eftekhar kardan az keshvareman...
Dar koll,areh,hadaf yeki hast,montaha rah ha fargh mikonan aziz,man e'eteghad beh Republic daram,beh Saltanat ehteram mizaram vali baray-e Govroment nah !
Mazhab ro lazem nemidanam,va liberalism ra vajeb midanam va etc...
ba in hal shabahat hast,shayad bishtar az tafavot haei keh ba ham darim :=) .
zubin
09-03-2007, 09:44 PM
na hadafamun yeki hast. faghat tu rahe reseedane be een hadafa, va shayad tu taareefe dagheegheshun fargh koneem. een yek soale elmiye: chetori azadi dar Iran meetune be vojud beeyad? soale elmiye...
RedWine
09-05-2007, 08:17 AM
na hadafamun yeki hast. faghat tu rahe reseedane be een hadafa, va shayad tu taareefe dagheegheshun fargh koneem. een yek soale elmiye: chetori azadi dar Iran meetune be vojud beeyad? soale elmiye...
Beh nazar-e man azadi dar Iran hich vaght beh vojoud nakhahad amad chounkeh har kodam az irani ha yek perspective joda az ma'ani-e azadi daran !
Chizi keh moshakhas hast baray-e ijad-e azadi dar Iran,in hast keh mazhab kam kam khoda hafezi koneh az asas-e bi payeh keh salian-e sal feshar ijad kardeh dar bein-e irani ha !
Mosavi kardan-e hagh-e zan ba mard,baz neveshtan-e dobareh ghanun-e asasi,ijad-e federalism state dar ethnic iranian ppl and etc ...
Matlab ziad hast,ba in hal mardom-e Iran baray-e yek bar ham keh shod-e,bayad khodeshan baray-e khodeshan tasmim giri konan.
zubin
09-05-2007, 04:32 PM
Beh nazar-e man azadi dar Iran hich vaght beh vojoud nakhahad amad chounkeh har kodam az irani ha yek perspective joda az ma'ani-e azadi daran !
Be hameen khater, rahe hal goftogue. yek seri haghayegh dar baraye azadi be vojud meeyad va hameen kafiye ke azadi be vojud beeyad. democracy yani EEN.
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