Can Islam be reformed?

[zubin]

This is not a political question. Its a purely religious question about whether there are mechanisms that allow Islam to be reformed, and whether these reforms are more in line with what we usually call 'human rights'...

[mike435]

no how could it it is a perferc relligion and the will of g-d who are we to reform it
if we change it it means there is somthing that we wanted to be changed

[zubin]

the question is if the perfect religion has mechanisms for reform. there's no reason why the will of g-d doesn't change over time. also, did you know that most of Islamic law is NOT written in the Quran, and were developed by Islamic scholars?

[mike435]

did you know that most of Islamic law is NOT written in the Quran, and were developed by Islamic scholars?

wow had no idea, but exactly what major known islamic laws are written by scholars.

the laws you are talking about are they "written" or "interpretation"

also off topic but i would very much appriciate the response

the JIHAD as i know, blowing oneself up to kill others were does that come from?

[zubin]

yeah mike, actually jihad does not necessarily mean that. more accurately, jihad is going to war with whatever or whoever is taking away your faith.

The criteria is that something or someone is going against your right to be a muslim. This does not have to be another human party. It can easily be your 'inner demons'.

[mike435]

The criteria is that something or someone is going against your right to be a muslim. This does not have to be another human party. It can easily be your 'inner demons'.

so were do you draw this line of someone going against your right of be a musilm

is it drawn when i am consuming resources that otherwise should go to a Muslim, say as extreme as lac of land space and my secular survival instict tell me to build a factory or farm instead of a mosc, or i destroy the only cemetery in town to make room for a ceder sainai hospital

or is it when i create a secular society that aims to have all religions co exist based on a judeok Christian philosophy and values (america), and this society bans certain acts that are deemed bad for society (say self mutulation like the dasde in iran)

or is it when i advertize my unmuslim way of life and and leave it up to the the person's free will to choose my unmuslim path or stick to his own muslim belife say when a new american company opens a discotec with a fully stocked bar in dubai

[zubin]

how does this relate to reform? can you find someone who has particular knowledge about reform and get them to state their opinion here?

[maryam9]

i think hes referring to what you wrote here:

yeah mike, actually jihad does not necessarily mean that. more accurately, jihad is going to war with whatever or whoever is taking away your faith.

The criteria is that something or someone is going against your right to be a muslim. This does not have to be another human party. It can easily be your 'inner demons'.

[mike435]

how does this relate to reform? can you find someone who has particular knowledge about reform and get them to state their opinion here?

my bad sorry it was off topic i would really like to continue the coversation in another theread

i appoligize again