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  • #2
    Originally posted by RedWine View Post

    In the case of Israel, since its existence in 1948, whoever governs in Israel, the policy is more or less influenced by Zionist ambitions.
    off course it is, Zionism is what defis being an Israeli, it is Zionism that created israel and it is Zionism that is sustaining israel

    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    Zionism propagates the idea that the whole region is the sacred homeland of Jews, where allegedly the early Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago.
    Zionism says jews have an ancestral claim to the land, from a religious perspective and from a anthropology perspective wich is true by having jewish community's in current israel long before the creation of israel and mass migration of jews to the region.
    And even thoug it does jews do agree that they one day used to live in the entire region no serious Zionist has that ambition or wants that ambition, remeber the zionist celebrated having just the desert and telaviv

    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    Zionism is a fundamentalist ideology in the region.
    Zionism is a political movement in the region, as with any other political movement you have both conservatives interpretation and liberal interpretation

    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    It goes so far that it claims the entire Palestine.
    only ultra orthodox religious jews believe such a thing and even than they belive that taking the land before messiah comes is wrong, even so it is an extremely small amount
    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    It violates the UN mandate of 1947 dividing Palestine into two independent states.
    what violated UN mandate was not recognizing the state of israel
    and constant aggression towards the state to get rite of it from the beginnings of 1947 resolutions and even belfour resolution


    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    Zionism explicitly ignores the rights of many vibrant communities who have been living there during the last 3000 years.
    Druze, Muslims, anti Zionist, bedowins, bahais and Christians who live under the jurisdiction of the Zionist state, all enjoy a socialist approach to life which includes free education, medical, retirement,
    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    The international community must help Palestine to attend its deserved rights of independence, while rejecting any God’s state in the region. The plague of Islamism in Palestine was reborn with Hamas, founded in 1987 in Gaza by late Shaikh Ahmad Jassin and started its existence with its jihadi attacks on both military and civil targets in Israel.
    even though only a secular state will work in the region
    It is not the job of the UN to say what kind of a state should be their that is up to the Palestinians if they want a g-d state or a secular state
    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    It is ...... If this conflict is to be stopped, the international community must defend the historically rights of Palestinians to install their UN proposed state. The Lack of an international consensus can be interpreted as a green light to continue the conflict.
    the lack of international concsensus to legitimately fight Palestinian terror can be intrepid as a green light for Palestinians to fight there war of terror agains Israel
    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    What concerns Israel and Palestine, a durably peaceful co-existence of all peoples in the region can be guaranteed when only the democrats and seculars are the official peace-makers of both sides. Zionism and Islamism cannot narrow down their differences.
    the same so called Zionist regime that is being bashed here, has enforced and taken out illegal out post building on Palestinian land by Israelis

    it has given back GAZA
    it has recognized the PLO
    it has given self rule over west bank

    and a great majority of the people who elected it are willing to make more sacrifices to see a two state solution and all of this is becuase the jewish Zionist state of Israel has been ran democratically by a moral people.
    Last edited by mike435; 02-06-2008, 11:50 PM.


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    • #3
      To redwine

      I have always admired your centered left leaning position, and becuase of it you have a lot of credibility even though you usually just post articles
      and i wouldn't write this if this time you had also "just posted an article"
      but this time you have posted an article that you endorsed with your thumbs up
      an article that seems exaggerated at least on it cratiuqe on the Zionism and Israel.
      and becuase of it exaggeration and false facts about Zionism i dont know how well it reported on the other side and becuase of that the things written about the other side is moste likely exaggerated and false.


      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by mike435 View Post
        To redwine

        I have always admired your centered left leaning position, and becuase of it you have a lot of credibility even though you usually just post articles
        and i wouldn't write this if this time you had also "just posted an article"
        but this time you have posted an article that you endorsed with your thumbs up
        an article that seems exaggerated at least on it cratiuqe on the Zionism and Israel.
        and becuase of it exaggeration and false facts about Zionism i dont know how well it reported on the other side and becuase of that the things written about the other side is moste likely exaggerated and false.
        Dear Mike .

        What you was thinking about me ? i repeat: I don't care Zionist and neither Islamist,Palestianian and etc ... I just care about my 'Country' and my 'ppl' .

        As i said before for many and many times,If you like any of those articles of this section,don't read them ! don't answer them ! Our forum is an independent Forum withe an independent rules !

        Thank you for your attention .

        End Of Subject .

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RedWine View Post
          Dear Mike .

          What you was thinking about me ? i repeat: I don't care Zionist and neither Islamist,Palestianian and etc ... I just care about my 'Country' and my 'ppl' .

          As i said before for many and many times,If you like any of those articles of this section,don't read them ! don't answer them ! Our forum is an independent Forum withe an independent rules !

          Thank you for your attention .

          End Of Subject .
          i know you dont and what makes you credebil
          but when you put the plus sigh next to the article i took that as a sighn that you had read the article and agreed with it


          G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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