Iranian Physical Types

[ProudPersian]

Here is some interesting information on the physical types of Iranians. There are various physical groups. The Irano-nordoid is one of the most prevalent and probably native to the iranian plateau comprising the principle elements of its population. Here is some pics of the Irano-nordoid physical types. It is distinguished by

- long face with smaller and longer jaw
- moderate to heavy brow ridge
- moderate to very body hair and beard growth
- straight nosed
- moderate to prominent cheekbones
- slight to moderate or large build
- big occiput (long head bulging at the back) and are long-headed
- sloping forehead
- rugged jawline

This is my facial type. Compare to other facial types it has a longer face and head.

[ProudPersian]

Mediterranean physical type is widespread throughout the near-east and southern Europe, found to a smaller extent in some parts of Iran. It is characterized by

- smaller jaw in comparison to a wider forhead
- slight to hevy brow ridge
- moderate to heavy body and facial hair
- slight build (very thin)
- smaller head length (head does not stretch as far back as the Irano-nordoid)
- sloping forehead
- weak jaw
- can have either straight or hoked nose

[ProudPersian]

Here are some Armenioids, whcih fall under the alpine subrace. Armenoid DOES NOT mean u are Armenian. It just means u have these characteristics

- long face due to excessive height, but still a wide face
- powerful jaws, wider though not as rugged as irano-nordoid
- generally has heavier facial hair and body hair
- a head that is not very long, no occiput, is round-headed and short-headed
- generally straight nosed
- a slight sloping forehead
- moderate to heavy build
- heavier brow ridge

Most ppl do not fit solidly in one catagory, choose the one that best suites u for the poll.

[RedWine]

Very nice & intrestin' subject. i like it,thx dear ProudPersian .

[Nushabeh]

lol baba agar hich kodom azina nisti chee lol

[ProudPersian]

lol, what do u look Nushabeh, I'll see what I can come up with. Oh and merci redwine, khoshhalam khe shoma fekr mikoni khe in topic jaleb hast.

[ali san]

i'm of the wonderning persian type

[ProudPersian]

I am glad to see ppl voting. U should be able to come up with an estimate based on my descriptions and pics. If you are having great difficulty deciding or just want some more info go to the racial calculator at

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/calc/rac/

Type in the indicated head measurements and if your answer come up...

Irano-Nordoid ---vote--- Irano-Nordoid

Mediterranoid ---vote--- Mediterranid (my spelling error)

Dinaroid ---vote--- Armenoid (they are a branch of Dinaroids)

and if your answer comes up as Alpinoid or proto-europoid ---vote--- another type

three answers will come up. If one is different than the other two, go with the most common one.

[ProudPersian]

I will be posting some more pics. Here are some more Armenoid.

[ProudPersian]

NOw some more Mediterranean

[ProudPersian]

Some more Irano-nordoid

[ProudPersian]

I just realized I didn't put any pics for women. WOmen can be tougher to catagorize as their jaws are not as destinctive as men (Testosterone at puberty works to affect men's jaw shape). Here are some pointers and pics

- Mediterranean women have an overall smaller face (compared to their forehead) Their head streches back further than Armenoid's but not as much as Irano-nordoid.

- Armenoid women will have a longer and wider face than mediterranean but the back of their head is straight (not rounded)

-Irano-nordoids have longer faces (especially compared to forehead) and very long heads. Their faces are wider than Mediterraneans with prominent cheekbones, but not as wide as armenoid

1) This pic a Mediterranean woman (hair and eye color are a little light).

2) This pic is of three middle-eastern women Egyptian-Persian-Indian (left to right) The women on left and right are mostly mediterranean. The woman in the middle is Irano-nordoid with perhaps a little Armenoid

3) This one is Armenoid, main difference is the head is very short (does not stretch back at all)

4)final pic is a persian girl. SHe is mostly Irano-nordoid


for the poll go with your best guess

[RedWine]

Umm, delicious. hahaha

[ProudPersian]

lol, khoshet umad

[ProudPersian]

Here are maps of genotypes using genetic markers. Map A (the blue one) is caucasian genes. Most of Iran is Caucasoid. Map B (green one) show southern Asian (indian) genes. As u can see there is not much in Iran, only in the southeastern areas, like baluchistan. Map C is Asian marker genes. Not much in Iran either, mainly in the Northeast corner where various Turkmen tribes reside. The Iranian Plateau eastward show mainly causcasian markers

[ProudPersian]

Thnx to all who have voted so far. If anyone is comfortable with posting a picture of themselves feel free to do so. I could help u identify which physical type u are.

[ProudPersian]

Here are some famous Iranian sports figures and their physical types.

1+2) Ali Daei is mostly Armenoid, note the flat back of the head, although probably mixed with Irano-nordoid.

3) Hossein Rezazadeh, the world's strongest man, is Armenoid

4)Abbas Jadidi, a champion wrestler, is Armenoid

5)Ali-Reza Heydari another wrestler is Irano-nordoid

6) Amir Tavakolian, also a wrestler, is another Irano-nordoid

Again if u wish, u may post your pic up and I would be more than glad to identify your physical type. Otherwise u may look at all the other pics I have provided and make your own decision.

[ProudPersian]

Here are some Skull images of

Mediterranean (smaller jaws)
Irano-nordoid (prominent occiput or back of the head)
Armenoid (flat occiput or back of the head)

[ProudPersian]

HLI map (Head-length Index)

[Najibam]

Hmm I don't know really I think it's a mix of everything...I have a strong jaw-line, big eyes, medium nose, medium-big lips, little forehead....

[ProudPersian]

Najibam, u are definitely not Mediterranean, especially if u have a longer face. Does the back of your head bulge back a bit, or is it flat? If it is flat your Armenoid. If the back of your head has a bulge, then u are Irano-Nordoid. Look at the sideshots above to see examples. Then vote.

Thank You :)

[Najibam]

Najibam, u are definitely not Mediterranean, especially if u have a longer face. Does the back of your head bulge back a bit, or is it flat? If it is flat your Armenoid. If the back of your head has a bulge, then u are Irano-Nordoid. Look at the sideshots above to see examples. Then vote.

Thank You :)

Ok thanks for the info I have a hard time categorizing my appearance, my face is not long defenetaly, more round and and a strong jaw-line but I do have a bulge on the back of my head, so gues I'm a mix of Armenoid and Irano-Nordoid...

[ProudPersian]

good for u

[Najibam]

good for u

How would you categorize yourself?

[ProudPersian]

I am Irano-nordoid. Not a perfect example, but pretty much an Irano-nordoid. I have long face, rugged face, green eyes, my head bulges back a little, my cheekbones are prominent, heavy brow ridge, high forehead, a lot of facial and body hair, and a rounded straight nose.

[Najibam]

I am Irano-nordoid. Not a perfect example, but pretty much an Irano-nordoid. I have long face, rugged face, green eyes, my head bulges back a little, my cheekbones are prominent, heavy brow ridge, high forehead, a lot of facial and body hair, and a rounded straight nose.
That sounds like a very cute and gorgeous person!
By the way what does rugged face mean and does and Irano-nordoid or Armeonid have a special type of body shape?

And an other thing I have thought of is that no matter which ethnicity you belong to, there are similarities everywhere, like a black person can have similar features as as a hispanic or a white.
Some people say I look Like Jessica Simpson, because of the jaw-line even though she's blond and my friend looks like Alicia Keys even though she's iranian.

[ProudPersian]

thank you Najibam

Rugged face means a rough face, as opposed to a more gracile, softer face like a baby's. My face isn't that rugged, but more than average. As far a physical types are concerned their bodies are not definitively defined (all three physical types can have a range in body types) but they do look different on average.

mediterranean- mediterraneans are generally slim and have moderately long limbs and less body hair

Armenoids- have a generally moderate to heavier build. As far as limbs go I am not certain. Some think that they have long limbs, some short limbs. I have seen both types so I am not sure? They also have lots of facial and body hair (this doesnt apply for women).

Irano-nordoid- are generally moderately built with longer limbs and abundant body and facial hair (this doesnt apply for women).

Here is an image of a blonde white man and a black man with the same facial type, yet opposite skin colors.

[Najibam]

thank you Najibam

Rugged face means a rough face, as opposed to a more gracile, softer face like a baby's. My face isn't that rugged, but more than average. As far a physical types are concerned their bodies are not definitively defined (all three physical types can have a range in body types) but they do look different on average.

mediterranean- mediterraneans are generally slim and have moderately long limbs and less body hair

Armenoids- have a generally moderate to heavier build. As far as limbs go I am not certain. Some think that they have long limbs, some short limbs. I have seen both types so I am not sure? They also have lots of facial and body hair (this doesnt apply for women).

Irano-nordoid- are generally moderately built with longer limbs and abundant body and facial hair (this doesnt apply for women).

Here is an image of a blonde white man and a black man with the same facial type, yet opposite skin colors.



Wow the more you explain the different type of iranians the more I'm convinced that I belong to all three of them! We iranians are very mixed....
Cause I'm sort of slim, rugged face but at the same time baby-face features, a mix of sharghi and gharbi so to say...

[ProudPersian]

lol, I'd love to see your face. So your from Sweden, Right?, I read some of your other posts.

**By the way, if anyone posts their face in Bar-o-Bachehayeh Irooni, and would want me to identify them, just tell me which one is yours and I'd be more than glad to.

[Najibam]

Hahah no I'm not that great....but I just have a hard time indentifying my looks cause some people say I look like thypical iranian and some say no...that's why I believe I belong to all three cathegories...

Yeh I'm from Sweden, where are you from?
You seem like an intellectual person who's aware of the events in our society and also history I thinks that very good and I like people who are like that.
I don't have a picture of myself on my computer...love to see yours though..

[ProudPersian]

interesting.

[ProudPersian]

Write now I am reading Spencer Wells, The Journey of Man, trying to find more info on migrations into Iran and their effect on Y-chromosomal markers. But so far I know that according to the discoveries of anthropologist each ethnic holds 85% of the gene pool. In other word there is 85% variation within an ethnicity, 8% variation between ethnicities of a certain race, and 7% variation between races. So if all ethncities except one were eliminated humanity would still retain 85% of its variation.

[Najibam]

Write now I am reading Spencer Wells, The Journey of Man, trying to find more info on migrations into Iran and their effect on Y-chromosomal markers. But so far I know that according to the discoveries of anthropologist each ethnic holds 85% of the gene pool. In other word there is 85% variation within an ethnicity, 8% variation between ethnicities of a certain race, and 7% variation between races. So if all ethncities except one were eliminated humanity would still retain 85% of its variation.

Ok, but I have learned that the concept of race doesn't exist, since all humans beling to the same race....

[ProudPersian]

That depends on who u ask. Now genetically u are right there is no such thing as race. As I posted above their is 85% variation within an ethnicity, 8% between ethnicities, and 7% between races. In other words there is 85% variation within the Iranian group. Now between Iranians and let's say chinese ppls there is only 7% variation. So genetically races do not really exist. Yet if someone is from Africa or China or Europe u can certainly tell the difference, cant u? So some scientist argue there is such a thing as race in physical terms. WHy physically we look so different and yet genetically we are similar is a mystery. Race is purely a relative thing.

[ProudPersian]

here is a map of craniometric distancing my WW Howells. The green blob is African head forms, the blue blob is Asian head forms, and the gray blob is caucasian head forms. As you can see Iran appears at the bottom end. It is very different from Arabid skulls which would appear closer to Jericho and North Africa. Iranians are very different from Arabs.

[Najibam]

here is a map of craniometric distancing my WW Howells. The green blob is African head forms, the blue blob is Asian head forms, and the gray blob is caucasian head forms. As you can see Iran appears at the bottom end. It is very different from Arabid skulls which would appear closer to Jericho and North Africa. Iranians are very different from Arabs.

Not on the haircolour and skincolour but we have different features more ''zarif''....

[elly khoshkele]

u guyz are VERY interesting.......................

[ProudPersian]

thnx Elly, which type were u?

By the way, did u guys know that in the country of Nigeria there is more genetic diversity than in Asia, Europe, Native Americans, and Hispanics combined?

That is because humans have been in Africa the longest so they have the most variations in genes.

[Najibam]

I have noticed that people from Africa have very different features...for example my friend from Eritrea have very different looks from other Africans she doesn't have that wide nose, she has a smal nose and very european features because they're mixed with Jews since long time ago...

[ProudPersian]

Most Eriteans are not mixed with the jews, that is mainly the royal house in Ethiopia, as far as racial type goes, many eastern Africans are mixed with Mediterranid races. Hence longer, more slender limbs and the smaller nose.

BTW I just got The Races of Europe by Carlton S. Coon. Kind of outdated but still, a lot of good info. I was a little disappointed, there was not as much info on Iranians as there was other people (Coon claims no one has been interested, or bothered to study Iran). But the info he does give is very interesting. He claims skeletal remains from 2000bc, from the Luristan region do in fact resemble modern Iranid types (contrary to the white supremist view that Iranians were a "dark" that was conquered by "superior" whites, and so thus the breed became modern Iranians). In reality Iranians are a branch of the Mediterranean subrace of the Caucasian race.

[Nushabeh]

yup we r causasian lol

[IQ]

THAT'S RIGHT

[ProudPersian]

Most hard core white supremists hate to admit it, but yeah we are, lol, and on top of that ancient Iranian civilization was established by Iranians who would have looked similar to us (not some blonde-haired, mythical race).

[topboy89]

the sexy physical type lol

[ProudPersian]

specify, most just being Iranian probably qualifies u as a sexy type

[Niels]

**By the way, if anyone posts their face in Bar-o-Bachehayeh Irooni, and would want me to identify them, just tell me which one is yours and I'd be more than glad to.

Hello ProudPersian, iv'e been told I look like a Eastnordid Irano-Nordid, although i'm from Belgium. I couldn't find Bar-o-Bachehayeh Irooni, so I may as well post my pictures here, I would love to know if im indeed an Irano-Nordid. Here they are... Thanks in advance!

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/299/147kv.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3418/124jy.jpg

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/7747/14pa.jpg

I know, the pictures are huge :-| but thats because I have no idea to make them smaller.

[RedWine]

Niels Welcome to www.tapesh.com :)

[IQ]

i love grand theft auto tooo.

[ProudPersian]

so are u ethnically Belgian.

Yes your cranial shape, with your longer nose, sloping forehead, etc are features which belong to Irano-Nordoid. This is very similar to my head shape.

this is an east nordindid Irano-Nordoid, very similar to you at least metrically, he has the same bulge at the back which is deep and rounded, and long nasal profile, and long face. He is from east Afghanistan

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/jakjamal/sub_iranoafghan.jpg

Here is a Kurd from western Iran with the same profile.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/jakjamal/Irano-nordoid.jpg

The Irano-nordoid peoples are metrically very similar to the Corded peoples who invaded Europe. So, especially in north-central and north-eastern Europe you do find people who are similar to Iranians.

For more info

[Niels]

Redwine --> Thanks ;)

ProudPersian --> As far as I know i'm ethnically Belgian. Although my father doesn't look like a typical Belgian, he has a darker pigment, a lot of facial and body hair (not so much on his chest but alot on his legs), and dark black hair... so maybe i'm related with those Corded people who invaded Europe?

[IQ]

how did you hear about this site?

[Niels]

how did you hear about this site?

Google.

I was looking for more info about Irano-Nordoid when I found this topic from ProudPersian...

[IQ]

oh ok. welcome .

[ProudPersian]

well according to Coon the Corded people migrated westward from Russia, where they lived before that is a mystery. But their bone structure is similar to the Iranians to the south (i.e. medium, but heavy bone structure). Apparently these Corded people (called such because their pottery had Cord impressions) were semi-nomadic warriors. Often burial sites contain axes and armor. They entered into Europe where they settled down in certain spots.

BTW- welcome.

[ProudPersian]

you can also try this page on another forum for more info.

LINK REMOVED

[IQ]

No other pages No other forums . bodo bodo paakesh konin :)

[Niels]

you can also try this page on another forum for more info.

LINK REMOVED

I'll search the internet for more information about the Corded people.

Anyway, thanks for helping me out! ;)

[jjbb]

good info.

[Rostam]

I'll search the internet for more information about the Corded people.

Anyway, thanks for helping me out! ;)


Thanks neil and proudpersian for this interesing info.

[RedWine]

New users,vote pls ;) .

[oslonor]

Very good thread and interesting discussion.

Slide show on Persians and Azeri Turks and afghans.

Persians %20 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116581341/show/

Azeri Turks %40 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116588250/show/

Afghan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116574438/show/

More on Persians and Hollywood
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[RedWine]

Thx Oslonor :=)