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ProudPersian
08-20-2005, 08:34 PM
Here is an interesting article questioning the current state of Iran.
"Brothers and sisters, ask yourself am I an Iranian or an Arab?
Why is my language a mix?
Why do I use the Arabic alphabets?
Why does my country uses Arabic symbols for my country's flag. I thought Iran’s symbol was lion. Iran is famous for its cat (lion) but I am using Arabic swords for my country's symbol, why? Every country uses an indigenous symbol, for example America uses the eagle. why is not my country uses lion for my flag?
Why are women in my country treated as second class citizens? Zoroastrian religion treated my mother and my sisters as equal to my father and my brothers, why did I change this?
Why do I approve my 8 year and 8 months old sisters this past 1400 years be so inhumanely treated and agreed to let my father give my baby sisters away to grown men to have sex with and horrify the little girls?
Why are all newspaper headlines in my country writes about Arab problems and Palestinians?
Why is it in my country there are so many poor people and the poverty level is 200 times higher than during Shah?
Why are there so many prostitutes in my country?
Why do so many countries call me a terrorist and I am not welcomed in any foreign country?
What happened to my country’s ancient historical sites and why is Persapolis deteriorating?
Why does this government pay attention to post Islamic historical sites but not to Sasanian or Achaemenid's historical sites and why are these sites deteriorating?
Who was Mullah Khomeini? - was he Iranian or cared about Iran?
Why did Mullah Khomeini reply “HITCHI” (nothing) upon arriving from exile and asked how he felt?
If this question was asked of anyone loving Iran and Iranians at least would have replied “great to be back in my country”.
Why are my country's national resources spent on Palestinians instead of my country and why does Iran have to ask foreign counties money for earthquake victims? But have money to spend on Arab victims?
Why is it my country has laws that do not belong to Iran and did not originate in Iran or are suitable for Persian way of life?
Why did I revolt against shah? Was it because shah was bad for Iran or Arabs?
You know, shah was very powerful in the region and no Arab country dared to call “Persian Gulf” an “Arabic Gulf”. Yes my brothers and sisters Persian Gulf is called “Arabian Gulf” today in Arab world.
Did I revolt against shah to make things better for myself and my country? Or did I do it to give the control of my country and its treasures to those who are related to Arabs and those who are Arab sympathizers?
Why is this present regime against any Iranian customs, tradition, and ceremonies and against our 3000 year old New Year celebration and anything not related to Islam is forbidden or discouraged?
Why do we have to mourn everyday for Islam and those died 1400 years ago? You know mourning makes people depressed, and we do it almost everyday, why?
Why do we have to behave, speak, think, write, govern, teach, learn, spend life in our homes and in public that has Arabic origin and is strange to Iran?
Why do we have to live in the shadow of Arabs and their world?"
Nushabeh
08-21-2005, 10:39 AM
nicely put
ProudPersian
08-21-2005, 02:17 PM
merci
Hi,
The answer to all the questions is in the era of the revolution Khomeini stole the revolution and now everyone thinks he is the cause of it, he used the religion to bring the people on his side, he changed our flag, he killed many generations and . . . and so many other ands.
Chera hallah enghadr arab irani mikoni, vagheat in ast ke hazerat mohammad arab bude, islam ham motekameltarine dine khoda ast ke har kasi aghlesh berese behesh mipaivande, mituni khodeto ba arab motahed beduni chon yek din darim, mituni ham hai irani irani bokoni va ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi (ba arze mazerat vali man tiz harf mizanam, manzuram in nist ke behet bar bokhore) agar ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi khodet ra az baghie joda mikoni va barkhordat damagh bala mishe, agar nakoni va ehsas koni iraniha farhange besiar balaii darand, aghleshun kar mikone, behtar az hame ke in vagheat ast mituni ba tanzimatet iraniha ra dar zehne baghie bala bebari va haminha ra esbat koni va be baghie ham yad midahi. hamechiz dar tanzim rabete moshakhas mishe.
khastam ehsasi ke nesbat be chizi ke neveshte budi ra sadeghane behet begam.
ta bad,
RedWine
08-24-2005, 02:31 AM
Hi,
The answer to all the questions is in the era of the revolution Khomeini stole the revolution and now everyone thinks he is the cause of it, he used the religion to bring the people on his side, he changed our flag, he killed many generations and . . . and so many other ands.
Chera hallah enghadr arab irani mikoni, vagheat in ast ke hazerat mohammad arab bude, islam ham motekameltarine dine khoda ast ke har kasi aghlesh berese behesh mipaivande, mituni khodeto ba arab motahed beduni chon yek din darim, mituni ham hai irani irani bokoni va ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi (ba arze mazerat vali man tiz harf mizanam, manzuram in nist ke behet bar bokhore) agar ehsas koni az damaghe fil oftadi khodet ra az baghie joda mikoni va barkhordat damagh bala mishe, agar nakoni va ehsas koni iraniha farhange besiar balaii darand, aghleshun kar mikone, behtar az hame ke in vagheat ast mituni ba tanzimatet iraniha ra dar zehne baghie bala bebari va haminha ra esbat koni va be baghie ham yad midahi. hamechiz dar tanzim rabete moshakhas mishe.
khastam ehsasi ke nesbat be chizi ke neveshte budi ra sadeghane behet begam.
ta bad,
Jalebeh inai keh migi ! vali harfe deleh mardom-e Iran chizeh digast !
ProudPersian
08-24-2005, 06:44 PM
Nava,
Your point is valid, but you try to judge too much from an Islamic basis, thus u cannot see or choose not to see the destruction that has befallen our countries because of Islam.First off I am not trying to polarize Iranians against Arabs. Arabs commited atrocities more than a millenium ago. But they did not change our flag in modern times, no, Other Iranians did.
Speaking of Mohammad, ppl born a muslim see him next God. Yet if you truly study him you will realize keh Muhammad hazerat nabood. Khodesh kheyli koshteh tuyeh Arabistan keh Musalmon-eshoon bokoneh. Now you can deny it as much as you want but it is plain truth. Muhammad may have had some spirituality, who knows? But the truth is their are a lot of spiritual ppl and they are not all considered prophets now are they. Ali, Hussein, Omar, Abu Bakr, were likewise killers. They killed many Iranians yet now we worship them as saints and prophets?? They spilt the blood of our ancestors yet we ant to worship them???
Second of all, "Islam ham motekameltarine dine khoda ast ke har kasi aghlesh berese behesh mipaivande," sounds to me like someone else fek mikoneh keh khodesh az damagh e fil oomadeh. Islam is not a very progressive religion. Islamic countries are by far the most backwards. The only countries in worse shape are African nations. Islam oppresses women. If a woman wants to wear a veil FINE. But don't force the whole population too. I want to see a beautiful woman's face. And I am DEAD SERIOUS about that!
And who said it was bad to think of yourselves as superior, or as you offensively put it, "az damagh e fil oftadi". Anyone who has been successful has been highly self-confident if not slightly arrogant. I am not saying we as Iranians should think of ourselves as better than Arabs, NO, but to have a certain appreciation for our own culture.
By far one of the worst things about shia Islam is that it makes "sayyeds" superior to average Iranians. The calculations show that Sayyeds would only be related to "the prophet"(if u could even call him that) less than a Percent. LESS THAN A PERCENT, much less. So why is almost everyone in the government Sayyed. Why are all the top religious figures Sayyeds. Why do we consider those with even the slightest amount of Arab blood superior to our own countrymen!!!
If your a muslim and it helps you fine. Both my great-grandmothers are fanatical shias. All I am saying is that Islamic influence on Iran's nation and government is bad, just like Christian influence, like Bush is bringing in, is bad for the US.
proudpersian,
salam, sare parcham harefet doroste, man ham hamino goftam.
sare hazerate mohammad ham ke bekham begam ke kami ke che arz konam khaili sakhte intori bekham tozi bedaham, inchizha ro mamulan huzuri behtare vali begzar aval yek soal azat konam: to behazerate issah eteghad dari? ya mussa? ya ibrahim?
sare islam ke nabayad be baghie keshvarha negah koni un ham africa va arabestan saudi va . . . be un migan bonyadgera (fundamentalism) unha darand az din estefade mikonand ke hukumateshuno konand, yek keshvare dige mesle iran, yek dolate dige mesle regime, unha ke shakhesh nistand, chizi ta hala be esme islam democratic shenidi? nemikahm alan moselmunet konam ya hata ghane beshi vali khastam begam yek islami ham hast ke dar asl un islame vaghei ast, yek torhai mishe goft islam khaili mazlum dar umade chon esmesh ra kharab kardand, ta migi islam adamha vahshigari tu zehneshun miad,
regimiha ham ke hamontor gofti yek ruz seyedan yek ruz doktor, yek ruz mohandes, inha ke hame midunand kashke,
moafagh bashi, ta bad
Jalebeh inai keh migi ! vali harfe deleh mardom-e Iran chizeh digast !
salam,
jai tu harfam ino didi ke neveshte basham daram az tarafe mardom harf mizanam?
hich kass nemitune in hagho be khodesh bede
ta bad,
ProudPersian
08-26-2005, 11:02 PM
Nava,
man mikham bedoonam keh ageh shoma hazerate Zartusht, ya Buddha, Ya Lao Tzu ghabol mikoni. Man hich hazerat ya din ghabol nemikonam. Faghad be ghalbam ham be darshaye erfani goosh midam. Manam keh nemidoonam chejoori Mohammad raftari mikard, faghad quran darim, keh midoonam kehyli az adamha avazesh kardan. Hamin adamha keh quran neveshtan, raftan hezarah koshtan. Manam nemigham keh Eslam dine bad hast, moman bozorgam musalmone ham behesh komak mikoneh. Vali hanooz mibinam keh tuyeh siasat ham dolat, har dine keh ghodrat begireh, oon keshvar daghoon mikoneh. Faghad eshgal keh man ba Eslam daram ineh keh meseh mar hast, nemizareh admahaye Iran azad parvoz bokonan. Keshvare Iran, keh yek vakht behtarine tallahye donya bood, emroz meseh sangeh kholi shod. Ham midoonam keh ageh regime Eslami nabood, yeh regime zartushti, ya mesehi hamin kar mikardeh. Vali ham yeh vakhtah asaboni misham vakhti keh Iranam injoori mibinam.
Nava,
man mikham bedoonam keh ageh shoma hazerate Zartusht, ya Buddha, Ya Lao Tzu ghabol mikoni. Man hich hazerat ya din ghabol nemikonam. Faghad be ghalbam ham be darshaye erfani goosh midam. Manam keh nemidoonam chejoori Mohammad raftari mikard, faghad quran darim, keh midoonam kehyli az adamha avazesh kardan. Hamin adamha keh quran neveshtan, raftan hezarah koshtan. Manam nemigham keh Eslam dine bad hast, moman bozorgam musalmone ham behesh komak mikoneh. Vali hanooz mibinam keh tuyeh siasat ham dolat, har dine keh ghodrat begireh, oon keshvar daghoon mikoneh. Faghad eshgal keh man ba Eslam daram ineh keh meseh mar hast, nemizareh admahaye Iran azad parvoz bokonan. Keshvare Iran, keh yek vakht behtarine tallahye donya bood, emroz meseh sangeh kholi shod. Ham midoonam keh ageh regime Eslami nabood, yeh regime zartushti, ya mesehi hamin kar mikardeh. Vali ham yeh vakhtah asaboni misham vakhti keh Iranam injoori mibinam.
salam,
ok rastesh khoshhal shodam intori fekr mikoni, vali untori ke neveshte budi avalesh adam ehsas mikard yek khashmi sare islam dari ke dar asl khashmet dorost bud vali benazare man bayad kami samtesho avaz koni,
chon dar asl taghsire islam nist, taghsire regime ya regimhaii hast ke darand az un estefade mikonand ke dar ghodrat bashand va az in estefade mikonand ke karhashuno toji konand, agarna ke harfaii ke inha mizanand ke islam nist, dar vaghe az taabire eshtebah an darand estefade mikonand ke dige mishe sare in saatha bahs kard.
badtarin diktatori dikatotori mazhabi ast, din dar asl baraye hedayate adamha umade vali agar azash khob estefade nashe va ya azash suestefade beshe adamha ra ham be gomrahi mibare va ham azash zade mishavand, inha ra nemigam ke ghanet konam vali delam nayumad nagam,
are man be zartosht va budha eteghad daram va ehteram ziad ham baraye dineshun ghaelam,
ta bad,
satyre035
08-29-2005, 08:06 PM
Dear "Proudpersian", i tried to contact you via email and i was told you chose to not to be sent any emails...can you please contact me?
satyre035@yahoo.com
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thank you,
cya
BadJens
10-21-2005, 08:20 PM
Brothers and sisters, ask yourself am I an Iranian or an Arab?
Well, at least we speak Persian otherwise we too, like Egyptians, would be talking totally Arabic now, Iranian does not mean Persian.
Why is my language a mix?
This has many reasons, partly because of Arabs and Mongol conquests and partly because where Iran is situated.
Why do I use the Arabic alphabets?
I think you are giving too much credits to the Arabs, It's not like they had any alphabet before they attacked Iran lol. take a look at Sassanid script when you get a chance.
http://www****anlaw.com/images/Pic01.gif
Ctesiphon (Persia), Sassanid era (226 - 651 A.D.), Berlin Museum
Many things that we THINK are Arabic are in fact Iranian which was adopted by Arabs and since we have no records of it, we THINK they are Arabic. Take the word religion (Din - Used many times in Qoran). the Persian term for it is 'Daena' used in Avestan, now you tell me, is it Arabic or Persian?
Why does my country uses Arabic symbols for my country's flag. I thought Iran’s symbol was lion. Iran is famous for its cat (lion) but I am using Arabic swords for my country's symbol, why? Every country uses an indigenous symbol, for example America uses the eagle. why is not my country uses lion for my flag?
The lion and the sword was added to the flag by Safavid Dynasty. Why not the Flag of Cyrus the great? That is my choice anyway. The three rings represent Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds.
http://www.parsayan.org/Parsayan/Liens/flag/flag_cyrus.jpg
Why are women in my country treated as second class citizens?
Mostly because Islam says so and partly because we, somehow, adopted Arabs culture and mixed it with ours.
Zoroastrian religion treated my mother and my sisters as equal to my father and my brothers, why did I change this?
I can't belive you even compared Zoroastrian with Islam. We did NOT change it, the Arabs/Muslims DID lol, the famous Persis/Persian people (http://www.zoroaster.net/indexe.htm) in India is a good proof for that. If you want to know more about how Zoroastrian were treated by Muslims you can read this article ( http://www****anian.com/History/2005/April/Boyce/) or this one. (http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/Post-Sasanian/after_fall.htm)
Why do I approve my 8 year and 8 months old sisters this past 1400 years be so inhumanely treated and agreed to let my father give my baby sisters away to grown men to have sex with and horrify the little girls?
Again, Adopted Arabic culture.
Why are all newspaper headlines in my country writes about Arab problems and Palestinians?
The religion is Arabic, the language is partly Arabic (Country's second language is totally Arabic) , the way they dress, how they marry and divorce, Arabic symbol on the flag, the way they think, the way they mourn, holidays, holly-days even the way they die is Arabic and I can go on but I think you get the picture so it is natural that what they write should be in Arabic and about Arabs. LOL
Why is it in my country there are so many poor people and the poverty level is 200 times higher than during Shah? Why are there so many prostitutes in my country?
Because Iran's population is doubled since Shah, there are currently over one million more Iranian girls compared to boys, this population needs Housing, health-care. schools, JOBS, entertainment, cultural activities and so on, so the land and the system is imcapable of delivering such quality to a massive increase of such caliber.
What happened to my country’s ancient historical sites and why is Persapolis deteriorating?
Well, that is a funny question( nothing personal intended) they do not care about the living Iranian people and you want them to care about what is left of their ancestors? LOL
Why does this government pay attention to post Islamic historical sites but not to Sasanian or Achaemenid's historical sites and why are these sites deteriorating?
As you know, there is a saying in Iran that goes like this: Cheraaghi keh be khaaneh ravaast be masjed haraam ast.
Now, that's the Persian version of it, the Arabized mulla's version goes like this: Cheraaghi keh be masjed ravaast be khaaneh haraam ast.
Who was Mullah Khomeini? - was he Iranian or cared about Iran?
He was a NOBODY WHO GOT SOMEBODY BY EVERYBODY, a dumb statue. a tool a gadget if you wish. However sad, we created him, which shows our true nature risen from abyss of our very own society, He was a reflection of what we were about at that time.
Why did Mullah Khomeini reply “HITCHI” (nothing) upon arriving from exile and asked how he felt?
At least he was honest. LOL
If this question was asked of anyone loving Iran and Iranians at least would have replied “great to be back in my country”.
Well, you don't even have to ask an Iranian that to get such a reply, any Iranian would surely cry by the moment they steped down the plain.
Why are my country's national resources spent on Palestinians instead of my country and why does Iran have to ask foreign counties money for earthquake victims? But have money to spend on Arab victims?
Cheraaghi keh be masjed ravaast be khaaneh haraam ast.
Why is it my country has laws that do not belong to Iran and did not originate in Iran or are suitable for Persian way of life?
Because this country(Iran) is NOT ruled by Persians. In fact, Iran has not been ruled by even a Persian NAMED person for 1400 years Current dynasty(combination of Azari and Arabs) Pahlavi (Mazandarani), Qajar(Azari) Safavi(Azari) before that Mongols & Arabs. Again Iran is not about being Persian.
Why did I revolt against shah? Was it because shah was bad for Iran or Arabs?
Hmm. Why did you? lol, just kidding. LINK (http://efsha.co.uk/farsi/poems/abdorreza_heydari_din_elahi.htm)
You know, shah was very powerful in the region and no Arab country dared to call “Persian Gulf” an “Arabic Gulf”. Yes my brothers and sisters Persian Gulf is called “Arabian Gulf” today in Arab world.
Yes Persian Gulf is called Arabian Gulf by Arabs, maybe soon they will change the name of the land from Jomhooriye Eslamiye Iran to Jomhooriat al Islamiyeh (possibly - al Arabiyeh).
We have to thank ourselves and mostly our Mojahedin(recently Mohajerin) and lefties like hezbe Tudeh(Hezbe 'Tubreh' chon ham az tubreh mikhoreh ham az akhond)
Did I revolt against shah to make things better for myself and my country?
NONE
Or did I do it to give the control of my country and its treasures to those who are related to Arabs and those who are Arab sympathizers?
Indirectly YES lol
Why is this present regime against any Iranian customs, tradition, and ceremonies and against our 3000 year old New Year celebration and anything not related to Islam is forbidden or discouraged?
Well I have to ask you, who is Iranian by your definition? Not everyone that is born in Iran and talks Persian is Iranian.
Why do we have to mourn everyday for Islam and those died 1400 years ago?
Because we are still living in the past, lets face it, our heroes are Arabs while the 14 years old kids who died in Iran-Iraq war were not good enough so we call them shahid. But Allah forbid never compare them with our Arab heroes.
You know mourning makes people depressed, and we do it almost everyday, why?
Habit, tarke aadat mojebe maraze.
Why do we have to behave, speak, think, write, govern, teach, learn, spend life in our homes and in public that has Arabic origin and is strange to Iran?
As you said it yourself, we have to, we are not the ones who are calling the shots, we are not in command, we are not the ruling class, we are not the ones deciding so we have to obey.
Why do we have to live in the shadow of Arabs and their world?
We have been doing so for 1400 centuries, Do you know any other way? The very same people will try to convince you that J.eslami is fake and not real. They will tell you how they perfectly have understood Islam and that Islam is all about love an humanity.
Let me remind you how you can become a Muslim:
1- Ash hado ana la illaha ila Allah wa ash hado ana Mohammadon rassulo Allah ( I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger) Mind how Allah wants you to accept Mohammad too so he is included in the package but not other proffets.
2- Pray 5 times a day (OBEY)
3- Fast Ramazan (a custom taken from other religions)
4- Give Zakat - 2.5% of net income per financial year (That's the membership fee)
5- If possible to go to hajj (Spend money in Arabic countries)
If you, by any chance, decide to convert and became a Muslim, they'll sacrifice a sheep for you and that's reality.
ProudPersian
10-22-2005, 12:58 AM
Let me make it clear first off that I am not Anti-Arab. Having some Arab words, in and of itself is not bad and would diversify our language, but the fact that our languages (NOT just Persian, also Kurdish, Gilani, and any other Iranian language) have had huge chunks taken out and replaced with Arabic words.
On the Population, why is it that it has doubled? hmm...
Oh Yeah! Because the Islamic Regime told us to have more babies so we could send our children to die in Iraq, and then give them no respect when they return.
Also why do we mourn, of course habit, but it runs deeper than that. It is becuz we as Iranians are weak, and I say this not to insult Iranians, I am one. I see Iranians constanly depressed, self-pity is the worst possible state to be in. Anger and hatred is even better than depression, because at the very least it motivates one to do something, however rash that may be. Iran has very few violent people (the ones it does have are in the government). Ever since the Islamic Republic govt has been in power Iranians have only been in denial, very few people have even lifted a finger, stabbed or shot someone, or done anything.
In fact the Pahlavi family was Persian, the name Pahlavi was the name for middle Iranian language during the Sassanid dynasty, and means hero; This name was adopted by Reza and was not his original name.
But beyond that who cares, whether Kurd, Persian, Gilani, Mazanderi, or Azari. As long as you are a descendent of the Iranid/Aryan peoples developed in the Iranian plateau then you are an Iranian. Enough of all this ethnic smack-talk, people need to shut up with their bs, we are all Iranians, and so long as we each want our own little nation out of Iran we are all gonna remain weak.
I still dont get why we sit back and praise these Arabs. If it isn't obvious, just look at any major Sunni group, they hate Iranians, they loathe not only Persians but ALL Iranians. Dont believe me check this site for yourself
http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter20page1.htm
All of Mohammad's followers hated Iran. In fact Omar planned the genocide of many Iranians, and took many slaves. One day one of them, named Piroz asked for a little pay to help support his sick and starving family. Omar said no, he would never support a non-muslim. The next day at prayers the desperate Piroz stabbed Omar over and over again. Finally the crowd pulled him off Omar as he asked who killed him. They told him it was his Persian slave. He then thanked Allah that he wasn't killed by a Muslim.
And Arab Shiites dont care about you either. These "prophets" Ali and Hussein we praise were the ones responsible for KILLING many Iranians and invading Iran. Yet we hang portraits of him all over our houses!
hich languageeeee unique nis va zabanhaye mokhtalef rooye ham tasir gozashtan..
hamin zabane farsi mage tanha arabi tooye zabane ma oomade? doros fekresho kon bebin che ghadr kalamate englisi va faransavi darim :)
ProudPersian
10-22-2005, 01:47 PM
Manam migam keh ageh yeh zaboon yekam ba yek zabooneh digeh ghoti misheh chizeh bad nist, ham tedadeh loghata bishtar misheh. Har zaboon tuyeh in donya loghatah az languagee digeh estefadeh mikoneh, vali vakhti keh meseh Farsi, bishtar az zaboonet kharb mishi ham in loghathaye khareji aslan jayeh loghateh Irani migiran, in doroost nist. Farsi kheyli estefadeh mikoneh az loghathaye Faransavi o ingilise. vali ina faghad yeh kalameh inja ya unja. Arabi nesfeh Farsi hast, aslan kheyli az kharejiha keh mikhan Farsi yad begiran migan keh komak mikoneh aval Arabi yad migiran! In eshghaleh keh man daram.
aslanam intor nis.. :) man khodam Arabic kamel sohbat mikonam, chon Kuwait be donya omadamo onja zendegi kardam my whole life o alan Canada hastam :)
man masaeli marboot be ta'aato ebadato mizaram kenar chon on arabie hamash :)
tooye zabane farsi kalamate arabi hast vali mesle kalamate engilisio faransavi! ino ba etminan migam :)
BadJens
10-22-2005, 04:31 PM
Let me make it clear first off that I am not Anti-Arab. Having some Arab words, in and of itself is not bad and would diversify our language, but the fact that our languages (NOT just Persian, also Kurdish, Gilani, and any other Iranian language) have had huge chunks taken out and replaced with Arabic words.
I belive we walk the same path and no-one said that you are anti-Arab, we are reviewing history and why we do things the way we do. You had some questions which I've answered.
I don't think there is anything wrong with borrowing words from other languages that's a tendency any LIVING and developing language has but, as you mentioned, it's the dominance of Arabic and mixing it with Persian language which will result the fall of Persian Literature that bothers me.
I hope for any Iranian to learn at least 2-3 languages, look at our Azari, Kurdish, Arab brothers and sisters, they speak their own language and speak Persian too, some even know 4-5 languages and I say more power to them. I say lets learn Chinese if helps the country and our people. Look at us, we are both Iranian but typing in English, why?
On the Population, why is it that it has doubled? hmm...
Oh Yeah! Because the Islamic Regime told us to have more babies so we could send our children to die in Iraq, and then give them no respect when they return.
Also why do we mourn, of course habit, but it runs deeper than that. It is becuz we as Iranians are weak, and I say this not to insult Iranians, I am one. I see Iranians constanly depressed, self-pity is the worst possible state to be in. Anger and hatred is even better than depression, because at the very least it motivates one to do something, however rash that may be. Iran has very few violent people (the ones it does have are in the government). Ever since the Islamic Republic govt has been in power Iranians have only been in denial, very few people have even lifted a finger, stabbed or shot someone, or done anything.
Population is just one factor and it may surprise you but, the power of habit is enormese and sometimes as powerful as faith or love. Thought is the basis of action, and repeated action is the basis of habit formation. So in a way, it is the way we think you have to worry about which brings you back to Zoroasterian's 'good thoughts'.
I am your constant companion.
I am your greatest helper or your heaviest burden.
I will push you onward or drag you down to failure.
I am completely at your command.
Half the things you do, you might just as well turn over to me,
And I will be able to do them quickly and correctly.
I am easily managed; you must merely be firm with me.
Show me exactly how you want something done,
And after a few lessons I will do it automatically.
I am the servant of all great men.
And, alas, of all failures as well.
Those who are great, I have made great.
Those who are failures, I have made failures.
I am not a machine, though I work with all the precision of a machine.
Plus, the intelligence of a man.
You may run me for profit, or run me for ruin;
It makes no difference to me.
Take me, train me, be firm with me
And I will put the world at your feet.
Be easy with me, and I will destroy you.
Who am I?
I am HABIT! (http://www.baseballtips.com/habit.html)
Please never call Iranian 'weak' we have some weaknesses which makes us human but we are NOT weak.
Depression is a stage which comes when the reality of one's condition sets in and one's lifestyle changes dramatically and it's perfectly normal.
1 - Action
2 - Shock
3 - Denial, Fear, Isolation
4 - Anger
5 - Re-action
6 - Depression
7- Acceptance, Re-Evaluation (or in our case revolution)
In fact the Pahlavi family was Persian, the name Pahlavi was the name for middle Iranian language during the Sassanid dynasty, and means hero; This name was adopted by Reza and was not his original name.
He was a great man whom I have great respect for. The name was adopted by Reza so he became Persian you say. Should I claim that he was Arab because his first name was Reza for the very same reason that you are using? NO, he was Mazandarani and he was Iranian.
Why am I so insisting? I guess I am trying to make a point here, sometimes I read about Persian/Pars chauvinism, a term used by separatists (which, to my knowledge, has no basis) to justify their political and personal needs and agenda. I want to make it clear that what has happened in Iran mostly has nothing to do with Persians and they are used as scape goat. I feel that we should be more careful to not call everything and everyone Persian, that is all.
But beyond that who cares, whether Kurd, Persian, Gilani, Mazanderi, or Azari. As long as you are a descendent of the Iranid/Aryan peoples developed in the Iranian plateau then you are an Iranian. Enough of all this ethnic smack-talk, people need to shut up with their bs, we are all Iranians, and so long as we each want our own little nation out of Iran we are all gonna remain weak.
I guess we are just repeating each other lol, I too don't care who rules the country as long as they are just and work for a unified Iran.
I still dont get why we sit back and praise these Arabs. If it isn't obvious, just look at any major Sunni group, they hate Iranians, they loathe not only Persians but ALL Iranians. Dont believe me check this site for yourself
http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter20page1.htm
Why shouldn't I belive you? I personally believe it's a combination of blind faith and wrong habits. But hey, what do I know? I am just an old goat with a big mouth.
All of Mohammad's followers hated Iran. In fact Omar planned the genocide of many Iranians, and took many slaves. One day one of them, named Piroz asked for a little pay to help support his sick and starving family. Omar said no, he would never support a non-muslim. The next day at prayers the desperate Piroz stabbed Omar over and over again. Finally the crowd pulled him off Omar as he asked who killed him. They told him it was his Persian slave. He then thanked Allah that he wasn't killed by a Muslim.
And Arab Shiites dont care about you either. These "prophets" Ali and Hussein we praise were the ones responsible for KILLING many Iranians and invading Iran. Yet we hang portraits of him all over our houses!
What do I care whether Arab Shiites care about me or not, I am not even a Muslim. My religion is Iran, these guys(except Pirooz) you are naming are just bunch of charlatans to me.
BadJens
10-22-2005, 04:34 PM
hich languageeeee unique nis va zabanhaye mokhtalef rooye ham tasir gozashtan..
hamin zabane farsi mage tanha arabi tooye zabane ma oomade? doros fekresho kon bebin che ghadr kalamate englisi va faransavi darim.
Albateh keh nist, in tabi'ate zaboonast keh az ham vazheh bardasht konan, amma ma dar morede inkeh chera, chetor va meghdare in loghataye gharzi sohbat mikonim, harchand be nazare man meghadre tasirgozariye har zabani bar zabane digari ham bayad kheyli moheme basheh .
In zabani hast keh az hezaran sale pish az pishiniane ma be ma resideh va paas-dashtesh baraye ma yek vazifast. Zabane Farsi zire poosheshe hendo-orupaee hast (Indo-European) va in tab'iye keh dar oon vazhehye moshabehe ziadi peyda misheh, baziash bardasht shodeh amma kheyliash nah.
Hatman inaro az zabane englisi gereftim, are?
Baraadar = brother
Madar = Mother
Dokhtar = Daughter
Pedar = Father
Chance = Shaans
Gazelle = Ghazaal
Henna = Hanna
Jackal = Shoghal
lemon = Limoo
Name = Naam
Pariy = Fairy
Group = Grouh
No-w = New
Paradise = Pardis
Sugar = Shekar
Jungle = Jangal
Cheque= Check
Shawl = Shaal
Tunder = Tondar
Spinach= Spenaj
Band = Band ( as in headband)
Diadem c.1290, from L. diadema "cloth band worn around the head as a sign of royalty," from Gk. diadema, from diadein "to bind across," from dia- "across" + dein "to bind," related to desmos "band." Used of the headband worn by Persian kings and adopted by Alexander the Great and his successors.
"30% percentage of the vocabulary of Persian is taken from Arabic, as a result of the Arab conquest of Iran in the 8th century and much subsequent cultural contact. Yet Persian is Indo-European, being a member of the Indo-Iranian branch that also includes Sanskrit and many of the languages of modern India. The clue that Persian is Indo-European is that its core vocabulary generally has Indo-European cognates (as in mâdar 'mother'), and its essential grammatical elements are likewise Indo-European (as in bûd 'was', which includes elements related to English "be" and the English past tense ending "-ed".)"
Mitoonam in listo edameh bedam vali az hoseleh doostan kharejeh va na janam ina hameh risheh sanskrit dareh va az yek jaa sarcheshmeh migireh. Ma az oona nagereftim balkeh hameh az yek jaa gereftim.
age 30% arabic pas english ham hade aghal 30% va 30% ham digar zabanha.. pas chi mond farsi???
BadJens
10-22-2005, 05:30 PM
age 30% arabic pas english ham hade aghal 30% va 30% ham digar zabanha.. pas chi mondfarsi???
Ounai keh BOLD neveshteh shodeh Parsiye(Farsi Arabi shodasheh)
BadJens
10-22-2005, 05:33 PM
Dar zemn kasi magoft keh 30% az inja gerefteh shodeh 30% az oonja. Tarikh va risheh zabane farsi va takamolesho bekhoon, motevajeh mishi.
Mitooni be Shahnameh rojoo koni chon sanade esteghlale zabane farsiye lol
ProudPersian
10-22-2005, 09:00 PM
NO, No not all similarities between Farsi and English are becuz we borrowed from English, not at all. Both English and Farsi are Indo-European languages and share a common ancestor language. So some of the words are still similar
Arabic on the other hand is NOT Indo-European, it is Semitic, so it shares no relation with Farsi and thus words in common are from Arabic, usually.
For example,
Baraadar is similar to brother but actually derives from the OLD IRANIAN Bradar, Madar also derives from OLD IRANIAN
Paradise actually comes from the OLD IRANIAN word for paradise, pairi-Daeva meanind enclosed Garden, (Iranian gardens were well regarded)
Naam comes from the OLD IRANIAN word Nama, not the English Name (though it probably came from the same origin)
Gazelle-Ghazal, actually comes from an ARABIC origin
Shance actually comes from FRENCH
Dokhtar likewise comes from OLD IRANIAN cognates
Pedar also comes from the OLD IRANIAN Pita
Energy comes from OLD IRANIAN, as does Baad (bad)
true we do have a lot of English and French words, but these are more for MODERN things like machine (car, from the English machine) or Compuyter (from the English computer). But it DOES NOT make up a very significant portion of our language (less than 5%). Since we ancestrally shared words with other Indo-Europeans we do have some cognates, DO NOT mistake these for actually being borrowed from those languages.
Since Arabic is not Indo-European, it is Semitic and does not share anything with Old Iranian. All Arabic words in Farsi have come from Arabic language.
For example
Ankaboot
Farsi (from the Arabic word for Parsi since arabs can pronounce P), what an Irony as we Iranians want to call the Persian gulf Khalij-e-Fars when the Iranian thing would be Khalij-e-Pars
bahar
salam
moafagh
asabani
fekr
mahdud
yavash, and on and on...
Here is a good site showing Iranian alternatives to Arabic words, the only problem is that many of the words are rarely used and sound very awkward in context (for example Dorud instead of Salam seems very weird)
http://iranianlanguages.com/sareh/index.htm
BadJens
10-22-2005, 11:50 PM
Bâbâ jân, fadâye un shekle mâhetun besham man, nemidunam keh shoma un chizhâi keh man minevisam mikhunid yâ na.:confused:
Man key goftam keh mâ az English in loghat-hâ ro gereftim? Âkheh azizâye gole man, England keh târikhe chandani nadareh keh mâ bekhâhim az una chizi gerefteh bâshim, tâzeh khode zabâne English shâkhehi az zabâne West-Germanic(Germanic) ast,
mosalame keh in loghat Irâni hastan, behet ghol midam keh inghadr keh una az mâ gereftan mâ az una nagereftim.
Man migam rishashoon yekiye va az yek jâ gerefteh shodan vâseh hamin tashohobâte ziâdi dâran, rafighemun bardâshteh neveshteh lâbod 30% az in english gerefteh 30% ham az zabunaye digeh pas az Fârsi chi mund:rolleyes: shomâ ham keh bardâshti inaro neveshti, aslan mikhoonid un chizhâi keh man minevisam yâ faghat sathi morur mikonid? LOL
http://www.intersolinc.com/newsletters/images/Language%20Tree.gif
sorry but neither bahar nor yavash are arabic!
badesham iran dare choobe moghiyate joghrafiyayeesho mikhore :) az ghadim ta hala... az ghadim be khatere jadeye abrisham ke shargho be gharb vasl mikard
vassalam name tamam. :D
Let me make it clear first off that I am not Anti-Arab. Having some Arab words, in and of itself is not bad and would diversify our language, but the fact that our languages (NOT just Persian, also Kurdish, Gilani, and any other Iranian language) have had huge chunks taken out and replaced with Arabic words.
On the Population, why is it that it has doubled? hmm...
Oh Yeah! Because the Islamic Regime told us to have more babies so we could send our children to die in Iraq, and then give them no respect when they return.
Also why do we mourn, of course habit, but it runs deeper than that. It is becuz we as Iranians are weak, and I say this not to insult Iranians, I am one. I see Iranians constanly depressed, self-pity is the worst possible state to be in. Anger and hatred is even better than depression, because at the very least it motivates one to do something, however rash that may be. Iran has very few violent people (the ones it does have are in the government). Ever since the Islamic Republic govt has been in power Iranians have only been in denial, very few people have even lifted a finger, stabbed or shot someone, or done anything.
In fact the Pahlavi family was Persian, the name Pahlavi was the name for middle Iranian language during the Sassanid dynasty, and means hero; This name was adopted by Reza and was not his original name.
But beyond that who cares, whether Kurd, Persian, Gilani, Mazanderi, or Azari. As long as you are a descendent of the Iranid/Aryan peoples developed in the Iranian plateau then you are an Iranian. Enough of all this ethnic smack-talk, people need to shut up with their bs, we are all Iranians, and so long as we each want our own little nation out of Iran we are all gonna remain weak.
I still dont get why we sit back and praise these Arabs. If it isn't obvious, just look at any major Sunni group, they hate Iranians, they loathe not only Persians but ALL Iranians. Dont believe me check this site for yourself
http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter20page1.htm
All of Mohammad's followers hated Iran. In fact Omar planned the genocide of many Iranians, and took many slaves. One day one of them, named Piroz asked for a little pay to help support his sick and starving family. Omar said no, he would never support a non-muslim. The next day at prayers the desperate Piroz stabbed Omar over and over again. Finally the crowd pulled him off Omar as he asked who killed him. They told him it was his Persian slave. He then thanked Allah that he wasn't killed by a Muslim.
And Arab Shiites dont care about you either. These "prophets" Ali and Hussein we praise were the ones responsible for KILLING many Iranians and invading Iran. Yet we hang portraits of him all over our houses!
Avalan harfe jomhuri islami sare bachedar shodan che rabti be in mozo dare, dige in moshakhase ke unha az esme islam darand soestefade mikonand ke karhae khodeshun ra toji konand,
Dovoman man tedade ziadi arab mishnasam, ke az iraniha ke badeshun nemiad barax, axarand ham sunni hastand, yeki az in arabha ke yek ruz behem goft ma arabha hame omidemun be shoma iraniha hast, chon farhange ma ke dare az bein mire, kharejiha ham ke har ki iraniha ra mishanse tariff mikone, che az farhange balamun, che bahushi va garm budanemun . . . nemiakhm sare kasi kolah begzaram vali inha ke vaghei hastand.
Taghsire dolathae pulduste arabi va in regim ast ke farhange ma va arabha dare az bein mire, agarna ke rasme mosalmuni hamishe in bude va hast ke vaghti yek ensani komak mikhad bayad daste komak behesh deraz koni, dige che berese yek mosalmune dige, hala che arab ya irani,
Moafagh bashi,
ProudPersian
10-23-2005, 11:38 AM
Hatman inaro az zabane englisi gereftim, are?
Baraadar = brother
Madar = Mother
Dokhtar = Daughter
Pedar = Father
Chance = Shaans
Gazelle = Ghazaal
Henna = Hanna
Jackal = Shoghal
lemon = Limoo
Name = Naam
Pariy = Fairy
Group = Grouh
No-w = New
Paradise = Pardis
Sugar = Shekar
Jungle = Jangal
Cheque= Check
Shawl = Shaal
Tunder = Tondar
Spinach= Spenaj
Inja shoma goftin "hatman...gereftim", benazareh man ma'aniet bud keh az Engilise gereftim, ageh manzuret yeh chizi digeh bud, ahson nabud keh befarmam, vali bebakhshin
Avalan harfe jomhuri islami sare bachedar shodan che rabti be in mozo dare, dige in moshakhase ke unha az esme islam darand soestefade mikonand ke karhae khodeshun ra toji konand,
Dovoman man tedade ziadi arab mishnasam, ke az iraniha ke badeshun nemiad barax, axarand ham sunni hastand, yeki az in arabha ke yek ruz behem goft ma arabha hame omidemun be shoma iraniha hast, chon farhange ma ke dare az bein mire, kharejiha ham ke har ki iraniha ra mishanse tariff mikone, che az farhange balamun, che bahushi va garm budanemun . . . nemiakhm sare kasi kolah begzaram vali inha ke vaghei hastand.
Taghsire dolathae pulduste arabi va in regim ast ke farhange ma va arabha dare az bein mire, agarna ke rasme mosalmuni hamishe in bude va hast ke vaghti yek ensani komak mikhad bayad daste komak behesh deraz koni, dige che berese yek mosalmune dige, hala che arab ya irani,
Moafagh bashi,
Cherah bayad beh Arabha komak bokonim, barinke Musalmon hastan? In hich farg nemikhoneh be kasi keh migeh faghad be adam keh tuyeh nejadeh mah hastan komak bokonim. Din aslan hich rapt nadareh bara hessob kardan ki doosteh mah hast ya nah. Che be in Mesehi, yahudi, ya Zartushti keh avalin dineh Iran bud. Be ina komak nemikoni faghad be khatereh din? Man migam aval Iraniya dast bedim, az har din keh bashan, keshvareh mah Iran hast. Ageh Dobareh Iran yeh khanehyeh khoob o gavy bisheh, bad mitoonim beh har Keshvar, din, o nejad keh mitoonin dasteh mahom deraz bokonim
Ya be khodet aval Irani hasti ya Musalmon hasti. Man Irani hastam.
BadJens
10-23-2005, 12:53 PM
ProudPersian
Mohem nist aziz, su'e tafâhom shod
man tooye in thread dige reply nemikonam... chon mibinam aghlab koor koorane bekhatere diini ke hastesh daran bahs mikonan :)
BadJens
10-23-2005, 08:51 PM
man tooye in thread dige reply nemikonam... chon mibinam aghlab koor koorane bekhatere diini ke hastesh daran bahs mikonan :)
Har jur meylete aziz ammâ, khob topic dar morede 'Islam va Iran hast' va nemituni enkâr koni keh mogheiyate emruze keshvare mâ rabti be eslâm nadâreh.
Kâri nadâram keh ba'zia migan oh nah in eslâm nisto in sohbatâ, cheh bekhâhim cheh nakhâhim be eslam rabt dareh pas bâyad dar moredesh sohbat kard.
Ghezâvate mâ dar morede In hameh koshto koshtâr, in hameh âvâreh, mohâjer va panâhandeh, moshkelâte eghtesâdiye Iran, nâbarâbari beyne zan va mard, âshoftegiye ravâbete beynolmellali, roshde vahshatnâke jam'iyat, âyandeh mobhame Iran va Irani, degargun kardane chehrye eslâm dar sathe jahâni, e'tiyad, fahshâ, faghr va a'dame dâshtane âzadiye mazhab, farhangi va siâsi na tanhâ kurkuraneh nist balkeh haghe mosalame mâst.
Dalile inkeh dar morede dine eslâm aksola'amal neshun midim va ghezâvat mikonim(harchand dorost yâ nâdorost) ineh keh kesâni keh in kârhâ ro anjâm midan mosalmânan, az koreh merikh keh nayumadan tu keshvare mâ hokumat konan..........Shâd bâsh
lol ono shokhi goftam :D ye khorde naz konam lol(nemidonam engar dokhtaram ke bekham naz konam :p )
anyways, din ye chizze o kari kardan ke begam dinam in gofte ye chize digas :)
maaslaan amrika in karo ro ke mikone man biam begam dine masihiat dine badie? hitler in kara ro mikone begam dine badde? isarael intor mikone begam dine yahodiat bade?
hamontor ke goftam dinnnnn ye bahse o kari kardan be esme din injor mige yekc chize digas :)
man khodam mosalmoonam vali ba in ke mige shi'e o sunni aslan mowafegh nistam :)
islam yekie o ye peyghambar dare...
ta hala ba khodet deghat kardi ke shi'eha esme emam ali o emam hossein ro bishtar az esme peyghambar miaran?????
ba khodet fekr kardi ke shi'eha doa o mafatih janan ro bishtar az ghoran mikhonan?/
ba khodet fekr kardi sunniha esmaye khalifehashono bishtar az peyghambar miaran?
sunni'ha esme as'habe peyghambaro bishtar miaran??
innha hamash chizhayeee ke tooole tarikh shode o hame chizo fargh karde!
hammeye adyan injor hastesh :)
ProudPersian
Mohem nist aziz, su'e tafâhom shod
man ham moafegham, manzuram ra eshtebah gerefti (proudpersian), man nemigam hame berand mosalmun shan, vali dashtam migoftam rasme mosalmunha in hast, jomlamo agar bekhuni mibini nevshtam ke be har ensani, hala che beresi mosalmun,
hala chera hai irani mosalmin mikoni, man asheghe iranam ba inke hata 1 sanie ham unja nabudam va irani budan ham baram bozorgtarin eftekhare, vali alan entekhab kardam mosalmun ham basham, ta chand sal pish taghriban mesle to fekr mikardam vali hala na, alan ham ehsas mikonam ke ke faghat ba cheshmam negah nemikonam mesle baziha, mohtavai vared bahs mishavam (na ke bekham begam in be mosalmun shodanam rabt dare) az khodam nemikham tarif konam vali vagheatha ra bayd goft :D
ta bad,
ProudPersian
10-24-2005, 03:54 PM
**First I wanna say sorry to every1 who I misinterpret (kheyli sakhteh farsi neveshtan o khoondan ba nevesandiye Ingilisi)**
Second off I want to say that I respect your need to be Muslim. I have many relatives who are more religious than anything I have ever seen. Islam works for them, fine by me. But I dont think Islam should have ANY role in defining the country of Iran. If individuals want to follow Islam that is their own decision.
What pisses me off more than anything else is going back to my country and seeing women wearing veils all the time and all these rules about how to be "good". I strongly believe that alcohol should be allowed, in fact it would attract a lot of tourists. Whether as a Muslim you like it or not Iran is the home of beer and some wines. Also I believe that women forced to wear veils is a horrible thing. Most of my friends think that Iranian women are the ugliest in the world! Of course what would they know, they only see pictures of women in hejabs and veils.
I know my point of view is biased, but Islam is not at all progressive and systematically backwardizes a society.
For example:
In Pakistan after the quake many were short on food and starving. So the UN set up camps to cook food for the cold and hungry survivors. But it was Ramadan, so an angry mob lead by a local mullah ordered the humanitarian aid workers to stop cooking, when they refused the mob trashed the kitchen as many outside lay starving, defending their actions w/ the Qoran saying that "Allah wills it".
In Iraq a local group in Ramadi trashed a local liquor store and told the owner that "Allah" justified it because he was selling, God Forbid, alcohol. The group also threatened to kill him if he ever sold alcohol again.
Also in all Muslim countries homosexuality is banned and homosexuals are killed. I dont care what BS your preacher or shiekh says, gays are born that way. I never chose to like women, I just always liked them, likewise with gays. At the very least if you dont respect their choices you must respect their right to LIVE let alone choose.
There are countless other examples too. Islam cannot play any role in defining a society at all, It should only be used to define one's personal life.
ProudPersian jan, aslan khode islam mige kari be politics nabayad dashte bashe din jodaaaaaaas keshvar darii ham jodasssssssss hame mosalmoonaye ke AGHL daran va koor koorane be chizha nega nemikonano har chi in akhonda goftan tavajoh nemikonan va az fekre khod estefade mikonan migan ke islam nabayad ba politics yeki bashe va az islam estefade kard.. hamintor ke hame midonim in regime karasho be gardane islam mindaze ke MOVAJJAH jelve konan karashoono bara mardommi ke kheilihashon sadde hastan
bavaret mishe baara hamin entekhabat che chizaye tooye masjedha be in mardome sadde migoftan ke be in ahmadi nejad ray bedan! baraye masal akhonde masjed minshed ke sokhan rani kone migoft ke man emshab too khabam emam mahdi omade boodo az in cherto perta ke be ahmadi nejad ray bedan... in mardome sadde hastan ke koor koorane be islam nega mikonano injoor hastan ke hanoz in regime mondegare :)
ProudPersian
10-24-2005, 07:58 PM
cop, azizzam, ageh eslam jedi be siasat vasleh nabud, manam hich bahs nemikardam, hich davo nemidashtam. In akhonda keh migan din bayad az siasat joda basheh, khodeshoon bazyeh siasat bazi mikonan bah tupeh din. Az avalin ruzeh eslam, eslam yeh tikehye bozorg bud tuyeh siasat. Mohammad, Omar, ALi, Hussein, hameh ina adamhaye mohem budam tuyeh siasat. Khodeshoon bahs kardan ruyeh eslam o siasat, hameh khodeshoon, janghashoon kheyli koshtan, mahsoo tuyeh Iran. Ageh in avalin musalmonha siasat bah din ghoti kardan, pas emruz chi?
Ageh adamhaye saddeh mitoonestan fekr bara khodeshoon bokonan, enghad eshgal nemishoodeh. Ina faghad beh akhronda goosh midan mesehkeh akhronda paygambar budan. Shoma midooni, in akhronda adam hastan, meseh man o toh. Khoda nistan, meseh mah ina eshghaleh khodeshoon daran tuyeh zendegishoon.
Barinke din tuyeh Iran injoori shod, iran gehr shod, ham badjoori gehr shod. Ya in adamha bayad yod begiran bara khodeshoon fekr bokonan ya eslameh injoori bayad beyofteh. Ageh na, dastaneh Iran khoob tamoom nemisheh.
**First I wanna say sorry to every1 who I misinterpret (kheyli sakhteh farsi neveshtan o khoondan ba nevesandiye Ingilisi)**
Second off I want to say that I respect your need to be Muslim. I have many relatives who are more religious than anything I have ever seen. Islam works for them, fine by me. But I dont think Islam should have ANY role in defining the country of Iran. If individuals want to follow Islam that is their own decision.
What pisses me off more than anything else is going back to my country and seeing women wearing veils all the time and all these rules about how to be "good". I strongly believe that alcohol should be allowed, in fact it would attract a lot of tourists. Whether as a Muslim you like it or not Iran is the home of beer and some wines. Also I believe that women forced to wear veils is a horrible thing. Most of my friends think that Iranian women are the ugliest in the world! Of course what would they know, they only see pictures of women in hejabs and veils.
I know my point of view is biased, but Islam is not at all progressive and systematically backwardizes a society.
For example:
In Pakistan after the quake many were short on food and starving. So the UN set up camps to cook food for the cold and hungry survivors. But it was Ramadan, so an angry mob lead by a local mullah ordered the humanitarian aid workers to stop cooking, when they refused the mob trashed the kitchen as many outside lay starving, defending their actions w/ the Qoran saying that "Allah wills it".
In Iraq a local group in Ramadi trashed a local liquor store and told the owner that "Allah" justified it because he was selling, God Forbid, alcohol. The group also threatened to kill him if he ever sold alcohol again.
Also in all Muslim countries homosexuality is banned and homosexuals are killed. I dont care what BS your preacher or shiekh says, gays are born that way. I never chose to like women, I just always liked them, likewise with gays. At the very least if you dont respect their choices you must respect their right to LIVE let alone choose.
There are countless other examples too. Islam cannot play any role in defining a society at all, It should only be used to define one's personal life.
avalan fekr nakonam niaz be mazeratkhahi bud, chon dashtim bahs mikardim, at least I wasn't offended
dovoman, man ba hame harfat moafegham, harfe ma ham ine ke din bayad az siasat joda bashe, din mozoi ast ke be har nafar rabt dare va na be dolat, in chadorhai ham ke migi khob regim ovode ke yeki az vasaele sarkubeshe, agarna ke tu khode ghoran gofte ke dar din hich ejbari nist, az in democratictar dige chi mikhahi? fekr nakonam dige chizi baraye goftan dashte basham chon khodet hama ra gofti va man ham nazaram hamun bud, mesalet ham dar pakistan fekr konam regimishun ziad ba male ma fargh nakone baraye hamin jaye taajob nist,
take care,
BadJens
10-26-2005, 07:58 PM
lol ono shokhi goftam :D ye khorde naz konam lol(nemidonam engar dokhtaram ke bekham naz konam :p )
anyways, din ye chizze o kari kardan ke begam dinam in gofte ye chize digas :)
maaslaan amrika in karo ro ke mikone man biam begam dine masihiat dine badie? hitler in kara ro mikone begam dine badde? isarael intor mikone begam dine yahodiat bade?
hamontor ke goftam dinnnnn ye bahse o kari kardan be esme din injor mige yekc chize digas :)
man khodam mosalmoonam vali ba in ke mige shi'e o sunni aslan mowafegh nistam :)
islam yekie o ye peyghambar dare...
ta hala ba khodet deghat kardi ke shi'eha esme emam ali o emam hossein ro bishtar az esme peyghambar miaran?????
ba khodet fekr kardi ke shi'eha doa o mafatih janan ro bishtar az ghoran mikhonan?/
ba khodet fekr kardi sunniha esmaye khalifehashono bishtar az peyghambar miaran?
sunni'ha esme as'habe peyghambaro bishtar miaran??
innha hamash chizhayeee ke tooole tarikh shode o hame chizo fargh karde!
hammeye adyan injor hastesh :)
COP jan sharmandeh agar javâbeto dir midam, harchand in chand ruz moratab online shodam ammâ forsat nashod javâbet zudtar az in bedam, mibakhshi. Khob, khosh hâlam keh shukhi kardi chon jât inja tu in bahs khâli mishod, dovvomin chizi keh dust dâram begam ineh keh omidvâram keh agar man az dine Eslam enteghad mikonam behet bar nakhore, agar man beh dine Eslâm hamleh mikonam motmaen bâsh keh gharaz shakhse shoma nisti (yâ har azize Irani/Mosalmane digeh).
Khodet behtar az man miduni keh yek ideh va aghideh ro nemisheh az beyn bord, bebin Mosalmunâ bâ Zartoshtia chekâr kardan, âyâ dine Zartoshtiat az beyn raft? NAH, tedâdeshun kam shod ammâ hanuz hastan va dineshun pâbarjâst. In hameh Masihi va Mosalmun koshtan az ghome yahud, az beyn raftan? NOCH hanuz hastan. Inghadr Mashihi va yahud az Mosalmun koshtan, nâbud shodan? Kheyr, shâd o khandun dâran pust az sare mâ mikanan.
Dar morede siâsthaye Amrika bâyad begam keh, etefâghan, in kâmelan roshane keh jâme'h Âmrikâ ham kheyli mazhabiye, khode Bush bârhâ tu sohbatâsh az jang-hâye salibi va Mehvare Sheytâni (Axes of Evil - Iran) nâm bordeh va hamisheh yek tarafo ahrimani va tarafe digaro elâhi(râst o ghalat - good and evil) naghâshi kardeh. In khodesh neshuneh mazhabi budane un mard va un mellat hast.
Agar rahbare yek mellati az hamchin tozihâti estfâdeh mikoneh(maslan sheytâne bozorg) be in dalile keh midune dar mardom risheh dâreh (hamintor dar khodesh - terrorism yek bahânast - nâhaghi dar morede Arab va Irani har 2). Miduneh keh agar begeh unâ badan va mâ khub donyâ behesh mikhandeh (harchand keh alân ham dâreh mikhandeh) ammâ agar az daricheh din vâred besheh kharidâre bishtari dâreh chon, risheh dâreh, na tanhâ tu khode Âmrikâ balkeh hamintor tu keshvarhâye Orupâi, dar natijeh râhattar mitune vaseh khodesh poshtibân peydâ koneh. Dine Masihiyat ham kam koshtâr nakardeh tu tarikh, barâdare bozorge Eslâme va Yahoodiyat ham bâbâshune, begazarim ke 2 tâ bacheh nâkhalaf be nâme Sufigari va Bahâiyat ham daran keh az bahs va hoseleh mâ khârejeh.
Hitler ham yeh olâgh bud keh az din va mazhab estefâdeh kard, aslan koshtare yahoudiân bishtar risheh dini dâsht tâ nezhâdi. Bozorgtarin hemâyat-hâ ro az rahbarâne mazhabiye Masihi gereft. (mituni tarikhcheh zendegisho bekhuni)
Shâyad behtar bâsheh keh har chizo tu mahdudeh joghrafiâi va târikhi khodesh besanjim va hameh chizo bâ ham ghâti nakonim (barâye inkeh natijeh begirim), emruzeh va dar hâle hâzer moshkele keshvari be nâme Irân Eslâm hast va khatarâte ziâdi keshvar va mardome mâ ro tahdid mikoneh. Az tarafi khode regim va siâsthâye ghalatesh(ahkâme elâhi Eslâmi) va az tarafi ham keshvarhâye gharbi ba tavvajoh beh roshde eghtedasi va tekonlogi keh bedast âvordan, dast be eghdâmâte strategice eghtesâdiye moshâbeh zadan va in shadidan ta'sir gozâre ruye keshvare mâ.
Digeh mesle gozashteh poshtvâneh keshvarhâ tallâ nist va dar hâle hâzer jâsho naft va teknologi gerefteh. Az tarafi Âmrikâ mikhâd dollâre khodesho pâyeh tabâdolâte eghtesâdiye jahan gharâr bedeh (rush ham beneviseh- In God We Trust- bâz ham dalile digari keh in mellat mazhabiye- mesle mâ keh akse hameh ragham akhond ro ru eskenâshâmun dârim). Javâbe Orupâihâ ham be in Euro budeh va hamintor keh khodet miduni yek vâhede pule jadideh.
Shâyad Mollâ va cherâghe jadush (Eslâm) yeki az niâzmandihâye in mellat va mamlekat bud tâ bidâr beshan vali digeh sedâye pâye renesânse Irani az dur shenideh misheh be in dalil keh shâyad (omidvâram) mellate Irân beh in tajrobeh dast peydâ kardan keh agar az kasi yâ dini badeshun yâ khosheshun miâd nabâyad keshvare Irân ro be abo âtish bekeshan. Âkhundâ harchand dâran alân ideh federâlism ro tarvij midan (keh shâyad kami bishtar bemunan) ammâ dar nahâyat majbur mishan Iranism ro ghabul konan chon mardome Iran (az har ghom va maslaki) be ham bâfteh shodan va hich khunevâdehi ro tu Irân peydâ nemikoni keh 1 arus yâ dâmâd az ghome digari nadâshteh bâsheh.
Cheh bekhâhim cheh nah, cheh Mosalmun bâshim cheh kâfar, manab'e ma'dani keshvare mâ dir ya zood tamâm misheh, dar moredesh cheh kardim? Dorosteh keh niruye atomi haghe mosalame mellate Irâni hast ammâ âyâ in tanhâ moshkele mâst? Âyâ agar mâ emruz be niruye atomi dast peydâ konim tamâme mo'tâdâye mâ sâlem mishan va bish az 6 million keh dar khârej az Irân hastan be keshvareshun bâz migardan? Jâdehamun dorost misheh? Digeh kârton khâbo gorosneh nadârim? Digeh moshkele faghr va fahshâ nadârim?
Az ye taraf ham keshvarâye gharbi ro dârim keh kasiftarin siâsat-ha ro bekâr mibaran (az ghabile tafkik va tajziye, tahrime eghtesâdi, eghdâme nezami) tâ un chizi ro keh mikhân tu mantagheh bedast biâran ammâ engâr farâmush mikonim keh una bedonbâle manâf'e melli va mamlekati khodeshun hastan. Moteasefâneh donyâ dâreh alân injuri migzareh, ammâ mâ cheh mikonim? be mamlekate khodemun residim? Beh mardomemun residim? Mafhume melli garâi ro farâmush kardim va avazesh shodim Eslâm vatani va montazere zohure Mahdi hastim va akse aghâ ro tu mâh mibinim (nemidunam shâyad fazânavardâye Âmrikâi bordan gozâshtan unja chon tâ be hâl hich Irâni pâsho unjâ nazâshteh).
Hâla shâyad begi man cherâ be Eslâm gir dâdam va moshkelâte emruze Irân va Irâni ro Eslam midunam na Ta'sobe Eslâmi.
Vâghe'iyat ineh keh tamâme adyân (be gholi elâhi) siâsi hastan, chon kam yâ bish ghavânin va dasturâti daran barâye zendegi kardan.
Bezâr ye mesâle sâdeh bezanam, be jâye inkeh beh J.Eslâmi gir bedim va uno zire soâl bebarim bia aslan be khode Eslâm ye negâhi bendâzim. In yek haghighate keh Mohammad khodesh ye shakhse siâsi bud va tu shesh sâle avvale hejrat khode un chandin nâmeh, be ghabâel va komrânâne keshvarhâye mokhtalefe un zamân, nevesht va unâ ro be Eslâm (masalan) da'vat kard, barâye nemuneh:
Shâhe Ethiopia - Abyssinia;
Eastern Roman Emperor Heraclius;
Mundhir b. Sawa, ruler of Bahrain;
Jayfar b. al-Julanda, and 'Abd b. al-Julanda Azdi, rulers of 'Oman;
Haudha b. 'Ali, the ruler of al-Yamama and Harith b. Shammar al-Ghassan;
Nâmeh be Masihiyâne Najran;
Amir ibn Umayya;
Shâh Khosrau;
Nâmeh beh Cesar.
Mitunam edâmeh bedam un list ro ammâ fekr konam kâfi bâsheh, tu nâmehâsh gheyd kard keh agar Mosalmun beshid dar amân khâhid bud, be in ma'nâ keh agar Mosalmun nashid doshmane mâ mahsub mishid va dar natijeh bâyad bâ shomâ bejangim. Khode in yek harkate siâsi barâye gostareshe Eslâm hast.
Agar Âmrikâ emruz in kâro anjâm bedeh va begeh yâ Masihi beshid yâ dar amân nakhâhid bud(chenân keh gheyre mostaghim dâreh mikoneh) mâ migim siâsi hast va barâye keshvar goshâi hast va din ro bahâneh kardeh.
Yek vaghe'iyate digar ineh keh khode Mohammad dar jang-haye ziâdi sherkat kard masalan: Badr, Ohod, Trench, Ghoreyzeh, Kheybar, Mut'ah, Makkeh, Hunayn, Ta'if, Tabuk.
Vâghe'iyate digeh ineh keh aksare hokmrânâne mazhabi (az khode Mohammad, keh yek model hast barâye har Mosalmuni gerefteh tâ be pâin) ham hokmrâne siâsi budan va hastan ham rahbare dini/mazhabi.
Nokteh digeh ineh keh emruzeh gharib be 1,100 Mosalmun tu donyâ hast keh az nezhâdhâ va farhanghâye mokhtalef va dar bish az 60 keshvare mokhtalef keh BISHTARESHUN az tarighe JANG Mosalmun shodan. (Bâz ham yek dalile digeh vâseh siâsi budane Eslâm)
Negâhi be jang-haye akhir va hâzere donyâ bendâz va mibini keh bishtarin dargirihâ pâyeh dini dâshteh (Middle East, Israel-Palestine, Sudan, Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Kosovo, East Timor, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Tibet.......).
Hadafe Eslâm ineh keh tamâme donya ro Mosalmun koneh hâlâ yâ az tarighe jang ya solh, Stalin va Hitler va kheylihâye digeh barâye keshvar goshâi hamin kâro kardan keh bâz hameye in tashâbohât dalile siâsi budane Eslâm hast.
Harchi Mosalmun didam tu donyâ hameh harfe shoma ro zadan va goftan keh Eslâm dine mohabat, adl, solh va ensâniyate ammâ ajibeh keh az vaghti Eslâm umadeh ensân hichkodom az inâro be khodesh nadideh (makhsusan mellate Irân). Eslâm agar dine solhe va siâsi nist, hâlâ az keshvarhâye Arabi va khode Iran migzarim, ammâ tu in keshvarâ chekâr mikard? mehr va mohabat tarvij midâd? lol
Spain 800 sâl,
Portugal 600 sâl,
Greece 500 sâl,
Sicily 300 sâl,
Serbia 400 sâl,
Bulgaria 500 sâl,
Rumania 400 sâl,
Hungary 150 sâl Italy, Austria, Bosnia, Croatia, Wallachia, Albania, Moldavia, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, Ukraine, va shargh va jonube Russia.
Dar zemn man momkeneh keh gâhi javâbeto dir yâ zood bedam ammâ sukhto suz nadâreh. lol shâd bâshi.
milla
11-18-2005, 05:33 PM
ProudPersian I agree with everything you said. It has been interesting to read all the english messages on this topic.
I live in New Zealand and I have all my life. I knew practically nothing about Iran before I met my partner, father of my baby (soon to be babies).
New Zealand is a great place to live, however one thing we lack is our own culture (though this is a hotly debated statement). This is something Iran had and still has although many aspects of the culture it seems have changed since the revolution. I believe it is so important in knowing where you are from and who you are to know your culture and who you are as a person.
Religion should not factor in this, as it is (or should be) a choice. Unlike where you are born, or the parents you are born to, religion is a choice and it can change, whereas you cannot change who you are.
I am not religious at all - all I can hope for my children is that they grow to be good people and respect everyone, especially themselves.
My partner has toyed with the idea of returning to Iran, but with the way things are at the moment I would not want my children to grow up there. I do not ever want my daughter to wear a veil unless she (not the government in Iran, her father, future husband etc.) wants to wear one. Although I am sure this is not the worst she would face there. I love the freedom we all enjoy in New Zealand too much and don't think I would enjoy being told what to do very much (my partner has told me couples cannot hold hands in Iran let alone kiss in public - although he left 10 years ago. Is it still like this?) ;(
I want my children to know their heritage, not a religion forced on them, but THEIR culture. I want them to be proud persians also. Iran has a wonderful history that should be remembered always. The only way to do this is to pass it on to your children. I think you are all lucky people that you come from a country with such a wonderful history. Remember who you really are - not who you are schooled to be.
i agree with your philosophy. It works if you work at it in early stage of children's life. good luck
kiankool32
12-24-2005, 01:14 PM
intresting post
marsino
12-29-2005, 07:27 PM
proudpersian,
salam, sare parcham harefet doroste, man ham hamino goftam.
sare hazerate mohammad ham ke bekham begam ke kami ke che arz konam khaili sakhte intori bekham tozi bedaham, inchizha ro mamulan huzuri behtare vali begzar aval yek soal azat konam: to behazerate issah eteghad dari? ya mussa? ya ibrahim?
sare islam ke nabayad be baghie keshvarha negah koni un ham africa va arabestan saudi va . . . be un migan bonyadgera (fundamentalism) unha darand az din estefade mikonand ke hukumateshuno konand, yek keshvare dige mesle iran, yek dolate dige mesle regime, unha ke shakhesh nistand, chizi ta hala be esme islam democratic shenidi? nemikahm alan moselmunet konam ya hata ghane beshi vali khastam begam yek islami ham hast ke dar asl un islame vaghei ast, yek torhai mishe goft islam khaili mazlum dar umade chon esmesh ra kharab kardand, ta migi islam adamha vahshigari tu zehneshun miad,
regimiha ham ke hamontor gofti yek ruz seyedan yek ruz doktor, yek ruz mohandes, inha ke hame midunand kashke,
moafagh bashi, ta bad
sharmandeh ha, nemikham be ehsasatet bar bokhore, ama ini ke migi eslam mazlom vaghe shodeh, vaghean neshon mideh tarikhe keshvareto nakhondeh nazar midi
to age yekam to tarikh becharkhi mifahmi on eslame mazlomi ke to migi che jori be keshvare ma iran omadeh,
hamon dige az in harfa akhonda ziad mizanan, ke baleh eslam vaghti omad, ye dastesh daste gol bod daste digash ye jabeh non khamey, baleh...
ama midoni daste gole arab chi bod, hamon shamshire mazlomo bi gonahesh bod ke ta varede khake ma iran shod, hey sar boridano dasto pa ghat kardano gozashtegane mano toro be esme kafaro kasifo najes yeki yeki sar boridan
baleh in eslame mazlome shoma non khamey ham avord,
hala midoni non khameysh chi bod, shahvatesh bod, ta pash resid be shahre adama, khanom khoshkela tamizaro ke did, onaram doneh doneh ya sigheh kard ya goshe ashpazkhoneh ferestad,
kholaseh ta omadan zadano pachidan, ama... khoda biamorze mogholaro, ona ba inkeh jenayat kardan, ama ye roz goreshono gom kardan, yani omadano raftan;
araba chi? shayad dar zaher kasi to iran arab nabashe, ama tamame on jenayat hay ke araba kardan be ye taraf, in farhange mano to ke alodeh shodeh tarafe digeh
moghol omado raft faghat koshto gharat kardo raft, ama eslame arab, omado dige naraft, farhange aghab mondasho vase mano to gozashto namak giremon kard
hala in eslame mazlom rast migi kheyli mazlome, va morede kam lotfi gharar gerefteh, dige moteasefaneh moteasefaneh, mesle nasle mamado alishon nemitonan sar beboran, na inke dige sar nemiborana, na... miboran, ama mese zamane sadre eslam nist digeh, on roza bishtar chaghovo shamshireshon gardan mizad
are eslam alan mazlom shodeh, chera chon kamtar sar borideh mishe, kamtar ejazeh dare be mardom tajavoz koneh, yani kolan eslam alan kheyli mazlomeh
ziad nemicharkhonamet, dar akhar migam, midoni bozogtarin hedyei ke mitoni be khodet bedi chie?
ineke beshini tarikhe keshvare khodeto va on arab mosalmonaye mazlomo sar boro dasto pa ghat kono be zano dokhtar bache tajavoz kono bekhoni
( kash onay ke omadan ba dorogh be mano to began on donyay hast, goli hast atishi hast, ye kare dige mikardan, dozdi dozdie digeh, jibe mano toro mizadan behtar az in bod ke andishe va ehsase mano toro bedozdan )
kash on dozda pole mano toro mizadan na fekro andisheye mano toro !
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donsaeid
12-29-2005, 08:16 PM
vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...
din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va tamam
donsaeid
12-29-2005, 08:18 PM
vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...
din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va hichkas nabayad be hich sorati be aghidehaye shakhse digari tohin kone... nazare har shakhs barash moheme va bayad ehteram gozasht ta hadike be digaran azar nade
marsino
12-30-2005, 05:13 AM
vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...
din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va hichkas nabayad be hich sorati be aghidehaye shakhse digari tohin kone... nazare har shakhs barash moheme va bayad ehteram gozasht ta hadike be digaran azar nade
Dooste aziz bayad aval beh user ha ehteram bezari va badesh opinion bedi. mamnoon
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marsino
12-30-2005, 03:23 PM
Dooste aziz bayad aval beh user ha ehteram bezari va badesh opinion bedi. mamnoon
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sharmandam kardi azizam
man shomareh eynakam zaif bid, fekr kardam on gofta bid ke hame khengan, hala toam age jomleye ono user joneto aval bekhoni ke hamaro khengo kochi fekr doneste, baad bia be man bego ki tohin mikoneh
to jomleye on user joneto bekhon ( ke migeh hame khengan), baad bia police bazi dar biar jigar
sharmandeh be ehsasate eslamie sar bore shoma tohin shod, be sar boridane eslamiton edameh bedin lotfan, rasty alan gheymate dasto pa ghaat kardan chande, mazaneh mikham...age mishe gheymate sang saram befarmaid...mersi az lotfeton
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RedWine
06-07-2006, 12:36 PM
new users ,vote pls ;) .
Sepideh_UK
06-07-2006, 01:01 PM
Negah konin. Nemishe goft ke dine Islam khube ya bade, ya nemitunin begin Quran dars khorde ya na!! hich kodoum e shoma nemidunin koduum yekiaz ketaba dast khorde bekhatere inke un moghe unja nabudin so nemitunin ghezabat konin;)
Moshkele keshvare maa ine ke yeseri Molla umadan daran mirenunesh , Ok age midunestan daran chi kar mikonan ok bud vali in .... nemidounan daran chi kar mikonin, o har reise jomhur miad ye g*hi mikhore o ye khorde pul mikone tu jibe khodesho dorobariash o badi miad vavava,, hamintory keshvar dare be yek ashghali tabdil mishe.
Mollaha az Islam daran estefade mikonan ke pul bokonan tu jibeshun, age in mollaha nabudano nemiraftan sokhan raani konan bara melat chetory nun mikhordan? un ahmagha yek savad kelaas nadaran hamuntory ke khodetun midounin!!!;)
At the end of the day , maa irani hastim o nabayad khodemuno baa araba yeki bedunim, Iran az aval mosalmun nabud pas hich entezari nemishe dasht ke yekdafe aghideye melato avaz kard.
Maa Irani hastim o Irani mimunim va ..........
Lotfan Dafeye bad Txtahey mano avaz nakonin!!! ( janab haye Mod ya har ki ke bude!!)
ProudPersian
06-08-2006, 12:53 PM
I want to correct a misconception that people have. Everyone says it's not Islam, it's the mullahs and the jomhuri-ye-Eslami. IT IS ISLAM which defiles in Iran. Yes the religion Islam. The mullahs are only following Islam as best as possible. Islam and Iran/Aryan culture are not compatible. Here are a few reasons why.
Sunni Islam considers Zoroastrianism a heresy. Shia Islam is less extreme but still shows hatred toward it. Zoroastrianism is an ancient Aryan belief of Iran
Islam bans the consumption of Alcohol, an Iranian tradition. Beer was first consumed in Elam. Wine also has its origins in Iran.
Islam forces women to wear the hideous hijab, oppressing women and covering their beauty. Women who in ancient Iran had a great status, almost equal to that of men.
Islam considers the paintings of living creatures as idolatry. Even though Iran has a great legacy of art, particularly art depicting living creatures and people.
Islam forces the reader to learn Arabic words and vocabulary, today the Parsi spoken in Iran is 50% Arabic and many Parsi-speakers barely recognized their own purified language.
Islam requires a hajj to Mecca. Mecca is not somehow more spiritual than any other city on earth. They only reason Hajj is required is to help Muhammad's hometown.
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Islam does not allow women to sing or dance. Although Iranian women have traditionally been able to do both very well
Islam bans pork which was eaten in ancient Iran. Contrary to what the Quran says, pigs are very clean animals, this has been proven. Saying they roll around in mud and are therefore dirty is not a very good argument. The same can be said of almost any animal.
Islam does not allow consumption of fish without scales. Even though Sturgeon from the Caspian is a VERY important part of Iran's culinary culture.
Shia Islam worships Ali and Hussein. They helped Omar invade Iran and advised the Arabs who to kill Iranians. Ali himself sent large armies called Ziyad to supress rebellions in Kerman and Pars provinces and killed thousands. Ali was also killed by an Iranian.
Sunni Islam praises Omar, who invaded Iran, set up Arab governors, took many Iranian slaves and sold Iranian women. He destroyed Iranian cities, burned Iranian books, and killed Iranian scholars. Omar was also killed by an Iranian.
Islam stresses religion and supresses intellectual development and academic diversity in thought.
Shia Islam is racist. It considers Sayyeds as being more spiritual than average Iranians. In other words Sayyeds who are part arab are considered better than full blooded Iranians!!
donsaeid
06-08-2006, 01:17 PM
doste aziz khahesh mikonam eteghadateto dar sorate emkan bedone tohin be adiane donya va peighambaranesh bego.
RedWine
10-06-2007, 03:34 AM
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RedWine
02-04-2008, 04:42 PM
رهبر يك حزب لبنان: ايران تشيع را تحريف كرده است
رهبر يك حزب جديد ليبرال شيعه در لبنان طي اظهاراتي گستاخانه ايران را به تحريف مذهب تشيع متهم كرد.
به گزارش از پايگاه خبري يا لبنان، "احمد الاسعد" كه حزب متبوعش در صدد ايجاد يك جبهه عليه شيعيان طرفدار جنبش حزب الله در لبنان است از ايران و حزب الله به دليل آنچه تحريف تشيع خواند انتقاد كرد.
وي در جريان برگزاري اجلاس بنياد دفاع از دموكراسي (FDD) در واشنگتن گفت: "شيعيان ذاتا روشنفكر و داراي ذهن باز هستند. اما تصويري كه حزب الله از تشيع به اكثريت شيعيان لبنان ارايه مي دهد غلط است!"
الاسعد ادعا كرد: "شعارهايي كه حزب الله سر مي دهد همچون شعار مرگ بر آمريكا در واقع به معناي مرگ بر دموكراسي و مرگ بر تفكر آزاد است!"
وي البته به اين موضوع اشاره اي نكرد كه آمريكا با شعار ايجاد دموكراسي به كشورهاي مسلمان لشگركشي كرده و به مداخله در امور سياسي كشورهايي چون لبنان پرداخته اما جز ناامني و تروريسم ارمغان ديگري به بار نياورده است.
رهبر حزب موسوم به LOG در ادامه سخنان گستاخانه خود خاطرنشان كرد: "مشكل اصلي در منطقه اين است كه رژيم ايران، اسلام را تحريف كرده است!"
فرزند كمال الاسعد رييس سابق پارلمان لبنان اضافه كرد: "شيعيان هرگز مشكلي با غرب نداشته اند و اين حزب الله است كه با حمايت ايران و سوريه مانع از ساخت پل ارتباطي با غرب مي شود."
وي مدعي شد: "حزب الله زنده است به خاطر آنكه ايران هر ماه 60 تا 70 ميليون دلار ميان 37 هزار خانوار لبناني توزيع مي كند."
الاسعد ادامه داد: "با اين حال پول ايران محدود است و بخش بزرگي از شيعيان لبنان در كنار افرادي كه از جنگ 33 روزه آسيب ديده اند بهره اي از اين پول نمي برند و لذا تعداد فزاينده اي از شيعيان لبنان به دنبال جايگزيني براي حزب الله هستند!"
به گفته ناظران سياسي، حزب الاسعد در صدد رقيب تراشي براي حزب الله در لبنان است و لذا وي سعي مي كند با بيان افترا و توهين نسبت به حزب الله اولا از محبوبيت اين جنبش در لبنان بكاهد و ثانيا حزب متبوع خود را در ميان لبناني ها مشهور كند.
RedWine
03-05-2008, 04:56 AM
روزهای از دست رفتن استقلال ملی ایرانیان را با هر حالتی که در نظر بگیریم روزهای اندوهباری هستند.چه آن گاه که اسکندر این سرزمین را تسخیر کرد و چه آن زمان که سرداران عمر خطاب این استقلال را درهم شکستند و سلطنت خسروان ایران قسمتی از امپراطوری بزرگ اسلامی شد، چه روزهایی که مغولان این سرزمین را درنوردیدند و درهم شکستند.در این میان تاثیرگذارترین حمله به ایران را حمله اعراب می دانیم ؛ زیرا این هجوم تغییرات زیادی در ابعاد زندگی اجتماعی ، فرهنگی و آیین های ایرانیان به وجود آورد و در واقع کشور ما را وارد مرحله ی جدیدی از تاریخ خود نمود.
گاه این پرسش به وجود می آید که گسترش اسلام در ایران به چه شکل بوده است .اگر تصور کنیم با فتح مداین و قادسیه و سایر شهرهای ایران ، ایرانیان آیین جدید را پذیرا می شدند تصوری است خطا ؛ زیرا می بینیم که سرداران اسلام پس از تسخیر هر شهر معاهده ای با بزرگان آنجا می نوشتند که به عنوان نمونه می توان به این نامه برای مردم آذربایجان اشاره نمود:
"این امانیست که عتبه بن فرقد عامل عمر بن خطاب ، امیر مومنان به مردم آذربایجان می دهد، از دشت و کوه و اطراف و و دره ها و اهل دین ها که جان و مال و دینها و ترتیبات دین همگیشان در امان است ، به شرط آنکه جزیه بدهند به قدر توانشان"
و در امان نامه ها که برای اکثر شهرهای ایران نوشته شده تقریبا همین عبارات به همراه این جمله به چشم می آید که نشان از روحیه ی سیادت طلب اعراب است:
"هرکس مسلمانی را ناسزا گوید تنبیه می شود و اگر او را بزند خونش را می ریزیم. "
چنانکه می بینیم که در سالهای نخستین ، مردم سرزمین های تحت سیطره ی مسلمانان در انجام فرائض دینی خود آزاد بوده اند و جز معدودی به دین اسلام وارد نشدند و اکثرا به پرداخت جزیه رضایت می دادند.
دو عامل که موجب ورود ایرانیان به دین اسلام شد نخست شناختن این آیین و اشتراکات فراوانش با دین قبلی شان ، همین طور آسانتر و کم آب و تاب بودن دستورات این آیین نسبت به دین زرتشتی بود.عامل دیگر فشارهای مالی زیادی که از راه جزیه گرفتن خصوصا در زمان خلیفه ی سوم و پس از آن در زمان امویان بر مردم ما آمد است. در زمان خلافت(یا به تعبیر بهتر سلطنت) امویان جزیه های سنگین سبب شد ایرانیان ترجیحا از دین زرتشتی به اسلام متمایل شوند؛ چنانکه ایشان از پیوستن گروه های زرتشتی و مجوس ایران به دین اسلام ابراز ناخشنودی می نمودند ، زیرا بدین طریق درآمد هنگفتی که از طریق دریافت جزیه کسب می کردند به شدت کاسته می شد.
اگر در کنار این عوامل از هم گسیختگی و انحطاط آیین زرتشتی که باعث به وجود آمدن شکاف میان حاکمیت و مردم عادی شده بود را نیز در نظر بگیریم آن وقت می توان به دلایل پذیرش اسلام از جانب ایرانیان پی برد.
ایرانیان در سالهای نخست مسلمانی زبان و فرهنگ بیگانه را نپذیرفتند و حتی در انجام فرائض دینی همچون نمازنیز از زبان پارسی استفاده می کردند.از روی شواهد موجود می توان حدس زد تا حدود قرن سوم هجری نیز این روند تدریجی تغییر دین در کشور ما ادامه داشته است.
هرچند آثار ادبی فارسی از دوران صدر اسلام بسیار کم و ناچیز هست اما می بینیم که فرهنگ پیشرفته ایرانی در همان دوره تاثیر و خدماتش را به خلفای اسلامی نشان می دهد . چنانکه می دانیم نخستین بار یک ایرانی دیوان محاسبات را برای عمر بن خطاب آماده کرد.خلفای اسلام بیشتر تشکیلات اداری خود را به تقلید از روشهای ایرانیان به وجود آوردند. آنچنان که صاحب الفخری گوید دیوان محاسباتی خلفا تا زمان حجاج بن یوسف (یعنی مدتی نزدیک به شصت سال) به زبان فارسی بود و در زمان حجاج بن یوسف توسط یک پارسی این حساب به عربی نوشته شد.
تاثیر ایرانیان بر دانش اعراب به شکلی است که اگرآثار عربی دانشمندان ایرانی را از آثار عربی حذف کنیم تنها بخشهای بسیار محدود و آثار نه چندان ارجمند باقی خواهد ماند.
RedWine
06-10-2008, 03:25 AM
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