Peaceful Hamas

[zubin]

NY TIMES

By AHMED YOUSEF
Published: November 1, 2006

[mike435]

sure the palastinian people can make peace and hold a hudra emphisis on palastinian people, because the avrage palastinian wants to see his or her kids grow up and live a life of dignigty and humanity they dont want all of israel they wont to see the death of the jews, they just want peace, it is the same with the otherside aswell
exceot the otherside can express it better becuase their is more repersantation and more freedom


not HAMAS and if anyone thinks for second that these people belive in g-d they are mistaken

islam is called the religion of peace not religion of kill whatever who ever to get palastine and i think it would be a shame for any true muslim to back hamas because i truely do not belive that muslims agree with hamas's tactics a g-d loving muslim does not pouposfuly intentionaly blow up bombs in resturants and buses to makes sure you kill innocent civilians

and lets thiese maniaks do make some kind of a truce when things dont go there way way they will just make a fatwa if you can make it religiously ethical and moral to blow up kids and when even innocent muslims are killed becuase of their actions they call it myrtordom ahhhhhhh
these people are ends justify the means
they dont care what happens as long as there lutacrise dream becomes a reality that they will have all of israel and al the jews in israel will just rolover lol what are they thinking i thoght muslims cant drink or use drugs

killing kids and blowing up teens is not self defence in the face of brutal occupation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


pluse consume things from NY times with cution many of its writers are arrogant intelectuals who think they are sitting on poll looking down at the world and know what is going on

[mike435]

i wish i could vote again for dont make peace with hamas

[zubin]

sure the palastinian people can make peace and hold a hudra emphisis on palastinian people, because the avrage palastinian wants to see his or her kids grow up and live a life of dignigty and humanity they dont want all of israel they wont to see the death of the jews, they just want peace, it is the same with the otherside aswell
exceot the otherside can express it better becuase their is more repersantation and more freedom


not HAMAS and if anyone thinks for second that these people belive in g-d they are mistaken

islam is called the religion of peace not religion of kill whatever who ever to get palastine and i think it would be a shame for any true muslim to back hamas because i truely do not belive that muslims agree with hamas's tactics a g-d loving muslim does not pouposfuly intentionaly blow up bombs in resturants and buses to makes sure you kill innocent civilians

and lets thiese maniaks do make some kind of a truce when things dont go there way way they will just make a fatwa if you can make it religiously ethical and moral to blow up kids and when even innocent muslims are killed becuase of their actions they call it myrtordom ahhhhhhh
these people are ends justify the means
they dont care what happens as long as there lutacrise dream becomes a reality that they will have all of israel and al the jews in israel will just rolover lol what are they thinking i thoght muslims cant drink or use drugs

killing kids and blowing up teens is not self defence in the face of brutal occupation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


pluse consume things from NY times with cution many of its writers are arrogant intelectuals who think they are sitting on poll looking down at the world and know what is going on

so you're saying that you would not support a ceasefire with Hamas? If it saves innocent lives from conflict and allows for time to think and compromise, why not?

[mike435]

oh wow i hope i dont mean that

no offcourse i want to see ceasefire but i would never want the sate of israel to make pice with this hamas
i guss ceasfire with hamas
and peace with the palastinian people

cant wait fory your reply
you really enjoy the art of dielactic
you have mastered it huh plato was a good role model

[zubin]

cant wait fory your reply
you really enjoy the art of dielactic
you have mastered it huh plato was a good role model

I definately believe in the dialectic like was used by socrates as a way of getting to truth, thanks.

Essentially, if someone is contradicting themself, they have no right to force their opinion on others and that applies to many current day situations. Contradictions and so forth are more properly part of a logical dialogue process for getting to truth and action.

This dialectical or logical dialogue process is becoming more and more of a dominant theme nowadays, slowly replacing rhetorical methods. Even if our views are different, at least if we agree to some logical process, we are in agreement in principle and most Iranis such as yourself understand this very inuitively and naturally, which is a major source of pride for me, though rhetorical methods are clearly also influencing the Irani population from more primitive external cultural norms such as US media.

Cheers Mike, and looking forward to more discussion as we agree in principle, and thanks for appreciating my emphasis on method over opinion.

Ramin

[zubin]

oh wow i hope i dont mean that

no offcourse i want to see ceasefire but i would never want the sate of israel to make pice with this hamas
i guss ceasfire with hamas
and peace with the palastinian people

does this ceasefire in your opinion include negotiations for Palestinian justice or not? I mean, you can hate Hamas, but that isn't that irrelevant if Hamas is the Palestinian representative negotiating for them?

If such negotiations take place and a Palestinian justice achieved, it isn't far fetched to say that Hamas would consider renouncing violence and recognizing Israel, and in that case, would your hate subside and would you be ok with "making peace"?

[mike435]

make ceasfire with hamas so it stops the cycle of violance it really isnt hellping anyone when rocks fall in israel than israel babards gaza thene a reapeat over and over

after a ceasefire conditions will come right who knows maybe even they might make peace with a changed hamas but i dout that hamas mission isnt a 2 state solution it is a one state palastinian solution

[zubin]

actually Hamas has explicitly recognized the 1967 boundaries. did you know that? that suggests a two state solution. but a one state solution... what's wrong with that anyway? I'm just curious...

[mike435]

are you really serious i mean come on man
look at the diffrance in their idiologies

ots like putting saw dust and gas together in one small room and than a spark

just imgine what would happen

palastinians are mostly religious muslims
while israel is mostley secular jews by ethnicity and culture
israel has a minority of religious jews to
look at whats going on now with the gay prade
what would you think would happen if you added a signifigant amount of muslims to it

i mean look at whats happaning in the arab villigas and religious jewish ones
their is allways these scuffles back and forth

another thing what wouldl that state be, it would desolve the whole reason why jews are their in the first place.

[Khorsheed]

I think offering peace would solve some of the tangling affairs !

[zubin]

are you really serious i mean come on man
look at the diffrance in their idiologies

ots like putting saw dust and gas together in one small room and than a spark

just imgine what would happen

palastinians are mostly religious muslims
while israel is mostley secular jews by ethnicity and culture
israel has a minority of religious jews to
look at whats going on now with the gay prade
what would you think would happen if you added a signifigant amount of muslims to it

i mean look at whats happaning in the arab villigas and religious jewish ones
their is allways these scuffles back and forth

another thing what wouldl that state be, it would desolve the whole reason why jews are their in the first place.

do you know what federalism is Mike?

[zubin]

I think offering peace would solve some of the tangling affairs !

you see, that's great. I wish there was just a bit more of this positive stuff going on in the world. A little bit of this burden is on the average citizen and person who is confused and I hope the new young generation that we make part has mechanisms for constructive discussion towards peace and understanding...

[donsaeid]

Hamas isnt the problem! Hauks of Israel like benyamin netaniyaho are the Problem and reason for no peace until now!

[mike435]

I think offering peace would solve some of the tangling affairs !

you peace has been offered oslo peac accords campdavids and theri has never been a hand on the otherside