I have boycotted Iran

[Rasputin]

I have boycotted Iran
... and all those who travel to Iran are traitors


Almost 30 years have past and Iran is still ruled by a theocratic and fascist government. And nothing has changed since revolution or maybe I should say that things have got worst: Overcrowded prisons mainly political prisoners not drug dealers or rapists, over population, pollution, inflation, unemployment and poverty are all the facets of the Islamic revolution.

I was asked by a friend why don't you visit Iran my reply to him was I have boycotted Iran and all those who travel to Iran are traitors. Yes I have not visited Iran for almost 22 years. My grandfathers had passed away and my grandmother just recently passed away and although I would love to go to visit their graves and say my prayer, I refuse to go. I will not buy products made by the Islamic Republic of Iran and I refuse to own an Iranian satellite dish that carried the Islamic Republic's TV programs.

Maybe that is what all of us should do: instead of being hypocrites and claim that we love Iran and like to see democracy, maybe we should act upon it. Here are some steps that I recommend to you that will help us to claim Iran much faster:

- Stop traveling to Iran every six months.
- Boycott products made by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
- Support political activists in Iran, and there are many of them (your choice).
- As soon as you hear there is an execution, don't just start to pray for them, act on it, write letters and send faxes to human right groups, politicians and so on.
- Do frequent demonstrations in front of the Iranian consulate in Washington which is made up of a group of thugs and criminals.
- Become active in your communities and form a lobbyist group.
- Every time you have dinner, curse at the mullahs and pray that they die.
- When you are taking a shit, imagine that you are crapping on every mullah in Iran.
- Before you go to sleep every night after praying for the prosperity and the good health of your family, pray for the death of the mullahs.
- Whenever you fart, think that you are farting inside a mullah's mouth.
- Whenever you pee, imagine that you are peeing on a Mullah's face.
- Whenever you want curse at someone, make sure it does include names like Rafsanjani, Khamenei or Ahmadinejad.
- And please avoid looking at the pretty pictures of northern Tehran, because believe me that's it -- the rest of Tehran, and as a matter fact the rest of Iran -- is horrible.

By taking the above actions over time you will see that you are part of a cause and that is to dismantle the Islamic Republic of Iran. But please don't be sheepish and follow another stupid political party like the Mojahedin traitors or the Shahanshahi (Pahlavi) thieves. Support the student movement in Iran and mainstream political activists.

If you see a mullah in Los Angeles make sure you stop and tell him how ugly he looks and that he is the son of devil. If you go to a mosque and have suspicions that the mosque is sponsored by the Iranian government, make sure you call FBI and CIA, I bet you are right. If you know someone who supports the IRI's causes, I tell you that he is a spy and make sure that you call the FBI or CIA or any law enforcement agency that will put the bastards in Guantanamo Bay.

Before you call the FBI or CIA, make sure that you yourself have a clean record. If you know someone that denies 9/11 and says that the Jews have done it, that individual either suffers form schizophrenia or is an IRI agent, in either case, call law enforcement.

In addition, if you know someone that constantly uses Arabic phrases like "mash Allah" or "Insh Allah" and etc. they are not Iranians and are IRI agents, again call law enforcement.

Oh I forgot, if you kill a fly or a mosquito just imagine Ahmadinejad's face and his followers and smash it as hard as you can, and be careful that you don't hurt yourself.

Try to feed your hate for mullahs and all types of akhunds in general -- that will help you understand the disaster and chaos they have brought upon us.


By A. Nasiri

[Khorsheed]

i dont know what to say .. . what do you think of this ?

[Rasputin]

Is a very hard thing but we must accept it if we want to live in peace and fighting against Akhounds !

[Khorsheed]

aha .. i can see . ..

[Sepideh_UK]

Is a very hard thing but we must accept it if we want to live in peace and fighting against Akhounds !

Absolutely

[DokhtarIrooni]

i hate akhoonds and the other idiots over there.. but i think thats a bit overreacted

[Sepideh_UK]

lool yea well if u mean the ppl. then i'll have 2 tell u that, some ppl jus don have any other option so they'll have 2 stay there no matter wat...

[zubin]

to blame all Iran's problems on the revolution and current administration is scientifically, logically, commonsensically very, very inaccurate and simplistic, and it is not practical for one's health nor for the future and human rights of Iran to become totally enmeshed in such hatred.

Unless I'm missing something, someone tell me how they think human rights in Iran is going to come about. How is it going to happen?

[mike435]

the only way that it has worked in the past seperation so called church and state

true their are countries that even with seperation still dont have human rights
acctualy iran befor revolution their was seperation but i dont think thier was 100 percent humanright maybe better but not acceptable

i thin by removing central government this case the theocrosy

[golgol85]

If people stop going, its not going to change anything. You need to take a proactive stand against what is happening to illicit change. Sitting here comfortably in the US while girls my age have to become prostitutes just to provide for basic necesities of life seems hardly fair. My boycotting going to Iran wont do jack. But, if for example I go to iran with a persian gynocolgist who is doing research on how to teach girls in iran not to go get unsafe abortions which end up harming them and in some cases even killing them, then i have done soemthing worthwhile.

Human rights comes from being able to chose what to do with your body, chosing to have a child or not, being able to speak your mind freely without fear of persecution. Iran lacks human rights, we all know that. What needs to be done is for us to each take a stand, in whatever field we are to see what each of us can do for iran, hamin.

[zubin]

The approach advocated by A. Nasiri to me flies in the face of taking a stand and being effective because it is clearly simplistic and inaccurate, which causes me to say you did it and you say I did it, and everyone says the other did it.

This simplistic, subjective and ideological blame game causes justified conflict, deepening the problem and taking us further away from helping the victims involved, instead of identifying the multiple factors involved in the problem and solution.

It's interesting how no one thinks about how things could get worse. We see something bad but think just taking any reaction would make it better. But it could get worse. We could get rid of a bad government but cause deeper human rights problems because our approach was ideological, subjective and unjustified, with many equally justified and angry opponents.

If people stop going, its not going to change anything. You need to take a proactive stand against what is happening to illicit change. Sitting here comfortably in the US while girls my age have to become prostitutes just to provide for basic necesities of life seems hardly fair. My boycotting going to Iran wont do jack. But, if for example I go to iran with a persian gynocolgist who is doing research on how to teach girls in iran not to go get unsafe abortions which end up harming them and in some cases even killing them, then i have done soemthing worthwhile.

Human rights comes from being able to chose what to do with your body, chosing to have a child or not, being able to speak your mind freely without fear of persecution. Iran lacks human rights, we all know that. What needs to be done is for us to each take a stand, in whatever field we are to see what each of us can do for iran, hamin.

We agree against the solution proposed here. I think (and hope) our proposed solutions are two sides of the same coin. You're saying we should each take responsibility for resistance and I'm adding to your statement saying that responsibility is not based on ulterior motives, ideology and is based on true, objective care for the people of Iran, not some personal issue. I find that we use personal experience and ideology A LOT as a bias against solutions that actually address the people of Iran, as an ulterior motive, an alleviation of personal grievance, and this is not effective or responsible or justified, though I don't necessarily blame someone for having grievances, and I certainly am not against a good sense of what is moral. I blame them for allowing these grievances and ideologies to ruin constructive and objective solution-finding and implementation. To say something is immoral is one thing, to find out the causes and solutions is another.

the only way that it has worked in the past seperation so called church and state

true their are countries that even with seperation still dont have human rights
acctualy iran befor revolution their was seperation but i dont think thier was 100 percent humanright maybe better but not acceptable

i thin by removing central government this case the theocrosy

All this is flowery heaven. I would personally like to remove the US government single-handedly as if it was a video game. I would choose golgol85 and Redwine as the President and Vice-President and myself I would be the manager of ecological sustainability.

My question wasn't the most clear. How in practice would human rights come about. What are the next steps? You're saying theocratic government is the problem to human rights. This is a vague statement. Plus, what method of reforming or ousting such a government is justified and will work?

[golgol85]

the only way that it has worked in the past seperation so called church and state

true their are countries that even with seperation still dont have human rights
acctualy iran befor revolution their was seperation but i dont think thier was 100 percent humanright maybe better but not acceptable

i thin by removing central government this case the theocrosy

Separation of church and state does not exist. it doesnt have to be church either: separation of synagogue and state does not exist, separation of mosque and state does not exist, and separation of temple and synagogue does not exist.

religion is intertwined with politics whether we like it or not, its a fact and reality of life that needs to be accepted. human rights in a pure form is none existant, faghat daraje bandi shode. Its bad in some countries, badtar in others. there does not exist a country in which there exists a pure form of human rights, and human rights are only for a select group in each society, mainly the wealthy and the politicians.

All this is flowery heaven. I would personally like to remove the US government single-handedly as if it was a video game. I would choose golgol85 and Redwine as the President and Vice-President and myself I would be the manager of ecological sustainability.

My question wasn't the most clear. How in practice would human rights come about. What are the next steps? You're saying theocratic government is the problem to human rights. This is a vague statement. Plus, what method of reforming or ousting such a government is justified and will work?

Wow, that is quite a bold statement. running a country is serious bussiness, something i dont think i would want to do. I dont believe in war or bloodshed. I dont want soldiers to have to lose their lives nor for them to have to take lives. My way of thinking is probably a flowery heaven too. In a utopian society it may work, but in real life its just not going to happen.

human rights will come about when people respect eachothers boundries and when people arent so defensive to criticism.

Look at the recent case of the russian spy being poisoned with polonium. People who work for the government dont have human rights, and we expect those speaking out against the government to have any luck?

Human rights requires having faith that others can make informed decisions when it comes to matters pertaining not only to themselves, but to those around them. Its like saying let the drunk man decide if he wants to drive or not. well, logically it doesnt make sense to let him drive since he is putting innocent bystanders in harms way, so the society would have to trust the drunk man would call a cab rather than drive home.

[zubin]

Wow, that is quite a bold statement. running a country is serious bussiness, something i dont think i would want to do. I dont believe in war or bloodshed. I dont want soldiers to have to lose their lives nor for them to have to take lives. My way of thinking is probably a flowery heaven too. In a utopian society it may work, but in real life its just not going to happen.

The point was to Mr. Mike that we all might have idealistic solutions but this video-game style of solutions does not respond my question of how a solution can come about in practice. That is something your honorable President (you) did respond to however.

[golgol85]

The approach advocated by A. Nasiri to me flies in the face of taking a stand and being effective because it is clearly simplistic and inaccurate, which causes me to say you did it and you say I did it, and everyone says the other did it.

This simplistic, subjective and ideological blame game causes justified conflict, deepening the problem and taking us further away from helping the victims involved, instead of identifying the multiple factors involved in the problem and solution.

It's interesting how no one thinks about how things could get worse. We see something bad but think just taking any reaction would make it better. But it could get worse. We could get rid of a bad government but cause deeper human rights problems because our approach was ideological, subjective and unjustified, with many equally justified and angry opponents.

Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom inorder to be able to get back up and improve, and in the case of iran i dont think it can get any worse.

human rights are not adhered to even in places like the US, although we like to think that the US is a western country that gives its citizens basic human rights, but time and time again we are proven wrong. No country can offer its citizens the full benefits of human rights, its more some countries give more rights than others but no country is perfect. Also, some countries have a better way of concealing the lack of human rights (in the US) and others like iran have it all out in the open.

Not taking any action now could have detrimental effects later. It may be that in the begining it appears that iran has not changed at all or it may become even worse, but eventually it has to improve. I think the iranian people are very smart people. They like to improve their situation, its just they choose the wrong means. They had problems with the Shah, so they thought bringing in Khomeini would help. Then Khomeini turned out to be worse than the Shah, so they wanted the Shah back. Now everything that goes wrong is either blamed on the Shah or Khomeini. But what about the people of Iran? they made a consciencious choice, regardless of whether it was an educated choice or not. the least they can do is do what they did before: demand change. they know what is going on in iran is wrong and yet all they care about is their expensive cars and fancy and lavish lifestyles. they dont care that while they live in a milliard toman home there are those who cant even buy a piece of noon sangak to eat for dinner.

All i am saying is this: instead of boycotting, lets look for ways that we can help iran by going to iran. If its designating a certain amount to give to a poor and hardworking family in iran so be it. If its providing legal assistance to someone who needs legal help in iran free of charge so be it. if it means providing medical care to someone who needs a surgical procedure but cant afford it then so be it. Take a look in the general discussion section and look at all the so called "movafagh" iranians. If each one of them did something for someone in iran, then iran would be a better place to live in.

The point was that we all might have idealistic solutions but that was not my question which Mr. Mike responded to.

idealism wont get any of us anywhere, you have to take a logical and realistic look at the problem and then come up with logical an realistic ways to solve the problem.

[zubin]

Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom inorder to be able to get back up and improve, and in the case of iran i dont think it can get any worse.

human rights are not adhered to even in places like the US, although we like to think that the US is a western country that gives its citizens basic human rights, but time and time again we are proven wrong. No country can offer its citizens the full benefits of human rights, its more some countries give more rights than others but no country is perfect. Also, some countries have a better way of concealing the lack of human rights (in the US) and others like iran have it all out in the open.

Not taking any action now could have detrimental effects later. It may be that in the begining it appears that iran has not changed at all or it may become even worse, but eventually it has to improve. I think the iranian people are very smart people. They like to improve their situation, its just they choose the wrong means. They had problems with the Shah, so they thought bringing in Khomeini would help. Then Khomeini turned out to be worse than the Shah, so they wanted the Shah back. Now everything that goes wrong is either blamed on the Shah or Khomeini. But what about the people of Iran? they made a consciencious choice, regardless of whether it was an educated choice or not. the least they can do is do what they did before: demand change. they know what is going on in iran is wrong and yet all they care about is their expensive cars and fancy and lavish lifestyles. they dont care that while they live in a milliard toman home there are those who cant even buy a piece of noon sangak to eat for dinner.

All i am saying is this: instead of boycotting, lets look for ways that we can help iran by going to iran. If its designating a certain amount to give to a poor and hardworking family in iran so be it. If its providing legal assistance to someone who needs legal help in iran free of charge so be it. if it means providing medical care to someone who needs a surgical procedure but cant afford it then so be it. Take a look in the general discussion section and look at all the so called "movafagh" iranians. If each one of them did something for someone in iran, then iran would be a better place to live in.

How can it not get worse? Ofcourse it can get worse. A nuclear bomb on Iran would be worse for example, but there are many, many more examples of worse.

I agree with lots of parts of your statement, particularly the reminder that we as Iranians brought about this revolution. But I don't think just any method of demanding change works and I think this is rather important. I might demand change with the condition that robots must become the next leaders, but this might not work in practice and simply cause commotion. The 'what type' of demand is something we as Iranians now need to think about.

Also, it is hard to say if Shah-time is better than now and this is somewhat of a complex topic, but any case it wasn't a big part of your logic.

idealism wont get any of us anywhere, you have to take a logical and realistic look at the problem and then come up with logical an realistic ways to solve the problem.

exactly. But there is this discrepency between how people interpret the question 'how' and 'what is the solution', i.e. in terms of ideal or real. They must go hand in hand. The ideal must be set in the real world.