How would you govern Iran?

[zubin]

I'm just curious if you were given a choice, what type of system you would choose for governing Iran. There seem to be problems with each, ofcourse (summarized below), though perhaps we can think of some solutions. Additions/comments are welcome.


Pluralist Liberal Democracy. This means that different political parties with different views constantly fight for power. The problem is that they each have a point and neither is complete, yet we are asked to choose only one. Also, it is constantly one party against the other and there is lack of unity.

Socialist. Here there is one main ideology in society which is based on government enforcing fair/equal economic conditions for everyone. The question is, do we always need government enforcement? Perhaps there is a lack of freedom and individuality.

Islamic. Consider if Islam was reformed or correctly applied in a way that respected equality and human rights. In what way would such a state be 'Islamic'? In other words, it seems that eventually religion and politics would have to be seperated. So what is the new society called?

Anarchist. This provides maximum freedom with absolutely no politics in the country and not even the need for elections. There is no such thing as law and everyone simply gets along without being told how they should live. This ideal, however, would perhaps be hard to implement.

Third way/Combination. This means that some combination of the main systems is the best. It is more pragmatic and tries to ask how society can achieve results without limiting one's self to traditional party dualities. But what combination will work and how does the good working system transfer from one generation to another?

Academic. This means that society is governed by principles of objective science, social science and logic and is similar to the "third way". It asks how can society achieve peace, freedom and justice, and on what basis. But will academics agree to objective criteria and how would the good working system transfer from one generation to the next?

Other. Your turn.

[donsaeid]

Interesting man felan salam kardam bad nazaramo dare goshet migam

[Nutcase]

The 'Academic' choice seems to be the closest of what i would like to see in effect, however we don't need politicians to rule us, no matter what party they represent, there should be a bunch of delegates who stand for several principles they would like to apply to their post if elected, and the people descide who meets their criteria, i just don't want any political rhetoric in the midst of this. I think one can have a democracy without it.

[mike435]

as much oroblem americas system has i think it would be a good system for iran

[zubin]

Interesting man felan salam kardam bad nazaramo dare goshet migam

montazere pm'et hastam pas.

The 'Academic' choice seems to be the closest of what i would like to see in effect, however we don't need politicians to rule us, no matter what party they represent, there should be a bunch of delegates who stand for several principles they would like to apply to their post if elected, and the people descide who meets their criteria, i just don't want any political rhetoric in the midst of this. I think one can have a democracy without it.

That would be a vast improvement. Let us decide on our own instead of arousing our demons. And we don't need ideological parties. The policies are always what matter. I like it... I'm just still thinking that people need more than just the absence of rhetoric as a gateway for good decision making and accepting the value of diverse opinions...

as much oroblem americas system has i think it would be a good system for iran

That's interesting. I just think Iranians are smarter than having a system of constant fighting between two ideological parties. Perhaps you could elaborate if you'd like or provide an updated perspective if you have time.

[golgol85]

Iran is a unique country that may require a unique approach. I will share with you why I feel some of the given choices wont work for iran and in the process I hope to come to a better understanding myself as to which of these choices may help iran.

Pluralist Liberal Democracy is far from completely democratic. It favors the faction in power. Its similar to what iran currently has, one group in power doing all they want and the other group being left to only criticize. I think this is not much of an improvement for iran, or better yet any improvement from what we have in iran.

Islamic wont work either, just because of the stigma associated with the word "islam". The people of iran will shy away from anything "islamic" just because fekr mikonan tamameh badbakhtiyashoon bekhatere islam hastesh. Its not a fair assumption, vali vase mani ke toye iran zendegi nemikonam, mohem aramesh mardome iraneh. Agar ehsase khatar mikonan with something islamic, then i respect their wishes ba inke man fekr nemikonam a'adelaneh bashe ke tamame badbakhtihayeh iran ro be hessabe islam adam bezareh. Personally, I believe in the separarion of religion and politics, but some religion always creeps in since you want to have a government that fears something bigger than bombs and weapons of mass destruction, a government that fears some form of GOD, worries about having to answer for wrong done to its own citiziens and those of other countries. Needless to say Iran cant handle anarchist, haminjoorish khar to khar hast (excuse my language), that would be a deprovement for Iran.

So my choice is a combination of socialist and academic governing with the best of the other choices. We have many educated and intelligent iranians who can each contribute in some way to making iran's government a strong and well rounded one in every aspect. When I say socialist though, i recognize that not all people can have equal economic conditions, so minus that. I do recognize the fact that rich people need to help those that are not wealthy. I think of communisim when i think of socialism and as much as its a beautiful idea, it didnt work for russia or china, and it surely wont work for an iran where there are some drowning in poverty and some drowning in money. My reason for liking the word socialist is FAIR. Fair is important and vert rare, but if we can try to have as much fairness as possible, then there is hope for making a better iran.

Just really thinking about this is difficult, i know we look at eachothers comments and think, why does he or she think this one or the other one will work, its hard everyone. I think if we share ideas, we might be able to find the good in each one of the proposed systems and then try to make a new governing system empolying all the good from each system. I think i will say other, since my ideas are not really a combination, they are more of taking bits and pieces from each idea.

The best choice would be the one that keeps the most amount of people happy and pleased with the least amount of people feeling like they have had no say.

[zubin]

are aslan khejalat nadare. har nazari jalebe va adami ke oono meege nabayad ghezavat beshe.

[zubin]

(translation of above: everyone's opinion is valid and interesting and no one should be judged based on their political views)

[zubin]

Iran is a unique country that may require a unique approach. I will share with you why I feel some of the given choices wont work for iran and in the process I hope to come to a better understanding myself as to which of these choices may help iran.

Pluralist Liberal Democracy is far from completely democratic. It favors the faction in power. Its similar to what iran currently has, one group in power doing all they want and the other group being left to only criticize. I think this is not much of an improvement for iran, or better yet any improvement from what we have in iran.

Islamic wont work either, just because of the stigma associated with the word "islam". The people of iran will shy away from anything "islamic" just because fekr mikonan tamameh badbakhtiyashoon bekhatere islam hastesh. Its not a fair assumption, vali vase mani ke toye iran zendegi nemikonam, mohem aramesh mardome iraneh. Agar ehsase khatar mikonan with something islamic, then i respect their wishes ba inke man fekr nemikonam a'adelaneh bashe ke tamame badbakhtihayeh iran ro be hessabe islam adam bezareh. Personally, I believe in the separarion of religion and politics, but some religion always creeps in since you want to have a government that fears something bigger than bombs and weapons of mass destruction, a government that fears some form of GOD, worries about having to answer for wrong done to its own citiziens and those of other countries. Needless to say Iran cant handle anarchist, haminjoorish khar to khar hast (excuse my language), that would be a deprovement for Iran.

So my choice is a combination of socialist and academic governing with the best of the other choices. We have many educated and intelligent iranians who can each contribute in some way to making iran's government a strong and well rounded one in every aspect. When I say socialist though, i recognize that not all people can have equal economic conditions, so minus that. I do recognize the fact that rich people need to help those that are not wealthy. I think of communisim when i think of socialism and as much as its a beautiful idea, it didnt work for russia or china, and it surely wont work for an iran where there are some drowning in poverty and some drowning in money. My reason for liking the word socialist is FAIR. Fair is important and vert rare, but if we can try to have as much fairness as possible, then there is hope for making a better iran.

Just really thinking about this is difficult, i know we look at eachothers comments and think, why does he or she think this one or the other one will work, its hard everyone. I think if we share ideas, we might be able to find the good in each one of the proposed systems and then try to make a new governing system empolying all the good from each system. I think i will say other, since my ideas are not really a combination, they are more of taking bits and pieces from each idea.

The best choice would be the one that keeps the most amount of people happy and pleased with the least amount of people feeling like they have had no say.

Yes, I think it's an enlightened view to both make fairness a priority and realize that no ideology satisfies the differing needs and times of a people. Fairness, though related to sociology, can be just as related to liberalism.

Just as you, me and Nutcase have rejected ideology on this thread, calling for either a good mix or an academic approach, the question is how can this type of system be communicated. I think the reform movement can be saved and be given this direction because I think it works well with the non-political Islamic ethics we have in Iranian culture. In other words, Iranian culture, including the Islamic parts which have been reformed and that people generally accept, I do not think contradict it, and this is important practically.

Alternatively, if conditions become more radical than mere reform, what is the name of this system? How does it move from one generation to another? What does it look like exactly?

Cheers... more comments welcome ofcourse for further discussion... especially if someone has disagreement...

[Rasputin]

good poll .

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Cheers... more comments welcome ofcourse for further discussion... especially if someone has disagreement...

LoooL, you live for disagreements bud, don't you?

Already then, I disagree

[csite]

ive been to my fair share of countries, i think iran now is perfect, im not talking about the old iran which was very strict, but the current iran where there is a struggle for freedom, it brings out and channels the youths energy to the right places and brings the best out in people imo!!

Khatami made many good changes in iran, hopefully mir hossein will be voted in and iran will become even better.

An academic iran is a weak iran, a socialist iran is a failed iran becuase were all greedy bastards, a democratic iran will never work because we always fight with each other and when rage torkimon migire dast be yaghe mishim!

[DokhtarIrooni]

i voted SALAM

[zubin]

hehehe

[DokhtarIrooni]

iran dige kharab shode, harjoor govern beshe dorost nemishe!