Scientific Proof that Political Media against Iran can be Brainwash

[zubin]

[donsaeid]

ofcourse! it can be brainwashing in high level! just look before war on Iraq! just fed people enough with same information in different ways and channals and they believe it!

[zubin]

so why many people still use media?

[Rasputin]

Not just by media,The religion is more dangerous than Media and is some ppl using it for many years,aganst the other ppl !!!

[zubin]

Not just by media,The religion is more dangerous than Media and is some ppl using it for many years,aganst the other ppl !!!

Do you agree that media controls religion? For example, you don't think that media has the ability to cause religion to be more radical?

Think about this quesiton and let me know your answer.

[donsaeid]

so why many people still use media?

Globalization! and need for information in this capitalistic world we live in! that is why i think media is still a power!

Do you agree that media controls religion? For example, you don't think that media has the ability to cause religion to be more radical?

Think about this quesiton and let me know your answer.

media manipulates all! so religion as politic is getting manipulated in same way! but not all media is manipulasive!

[Michellica]

lol so media had controlled also the inquisition era?

Of course media, in the last centuries, had a great impact on much issues....is a great way for the politicians to control the masses... but in my opinion the religions don't depend by media...
Until ignorance will exist ... so religions will control most of human beings..

[donsaeid]

ignorence is something else! you cant make a donky read! people with ignorence have a different case! just look what coverage of caricatures did and just say something wrong with or without perpuse you will start a war! just look at 2000 presidential election in USA! Bush won when fox said it so! if you remember!

ignorence hich rabti ba religion nadare! religion is aganist ignorence! what people do cant be reason for a religion to be bad! jewish religion isnt bad because israeli are this way against palestinains! or other way!

[Rasputin]

Do you agree that media controls religion? For example, you don't think that media has the ability to cause religion to be more radical?

Think about this quesiton and let me know your answer.

Because it is such an illogical fallacy that is passed to us by our parents in an age when children are VERY gullible and cannot question what they are taught.

When people get older they know their religion is correct, but they can neither prove it nor can easily accept that religion is a man-made creation despite all the obvious arguments against religion and against the existence of God, because it has already been instilled to them.

And finally,Religion caused huge amounts of bloodshed in the past(Specially after Safavi Era,until now in Iran !), and is causing more now. Anything which can do this, like nuclear power or guns,etc..

[donsaeid]

what about young believers? age isnt a factor to prove or disprove a religion!

and no! religion did start a bloodsheed! but people after power with hidden agendas!

[zubin]

Because it is such an illogical fallacy that is passed to us by our parents in an age when children are VERY gullible and cannot question what they are taught.

When people get older they know their religion is correct, but they can neither prove it nor can easily accept that religion is a man-made creation despite all the obvious arguments against religion and against the existence of God, because it has already been instilled to them.

And finally,Religion caused huge amounts of bloodshed in the past(Specially after Safavi Era,until now in Iran !), and is causing more now. Anything which can do this, like nuclear power or guns,etc..

You didn't answer my very specific question. Please let me know if you are not willing to have discussion.

My question is if you agree that media has an effect on how radical religion becomes. I guess if you don't answer, should we apply Hamlet or is there some other reason?

[zubin]

lol so media had controlled also the inquisition era?

Of course media, in the last centuries, had a great impact on much issues....is a great way for the politicians to control the masses... but in my opinion the religions don't depend by media...
Until ignorance will exist ... so religions will control most of human beings..

I'm saying that media has an effect on how radical religion becomes in today's era.

If this is true.... then we can say media is worse than religion in today's world because it controls religion's radicalness today.

[golgol85]

Interesting discussion over here. I will put down a couple of ideas. First off, Loftus is a professor at UCI whose work is known worldwide. The fact that psychology has such a profound impact in all aspects of life and all disciplines of life for me means that all people should have some level or degree of psychological knowledge. With that being said, it is obvious that in politics and in religion, psychological manipulation is used to get the observer, in the case of our discussion those who turn to media and politicians, to think a certain way. When you use the word "the" instead of "a" it does seem to strengthen the arguement that something that has "the" may actually exist when in reality it might not even exist.

Looking at why people use media, it is their way of feeling connected to the world around them. Some dont bother with media because they feel there is too much sadness in the world to be bothered with. They hide from the realities of life by pretending they dont exist or by sheltering themselves from those realities. I find that ignorant and I dont like those who dont like to be informed. The question then becomes who to trust with the valuble job of informing the masses? Depending on who you rely on for news, there will always be biases. If you watch fox news, you will get a republican view of things while someone like anderson cooper may have a more liberal approach. The best way to use media is to not relay on a single source. You need to look at various sources and come to an understanding of the news on your own. By comparing different sources, you can get a better picture of what actually happened.

As for religion, some aspects of religion are abused and used as a way to brainwash people as well. Like i said before, the concepts of psychology span all disciplines. So my answer would be media controls religion and religion controls media. Both are used to influence they way people think. Religon has an effect on how radical media becomes and media has an effect on how radical religion becomes. They come as a pair.

Let me know what you think Ramin.

[Michellica]

I'm saying that media has an effect on how radical religion becomes in today's era.

If this is true.... then we can say media is worse than religion in today's world because it controls religion's radicalness today.

well ok.. but i think that media has an effect to all aspect of society... religion or something else...
Just think about the epidemics like the Anthrax era or Sarse illness etc.. the Media in those cases created much panic on the people with bombarding news every minute...the conseguences were that ppl became paranoid ..nobody didn't go at chinese restaurant or bought any chinese product....
I remember at the time of the Iraq-US war...when i went to the shopping centers with my parents in Italy ..i saw ppl buying everything needed (for example tons of bread or milk) because the media created a state of alert...although we weren't near Iraq...we were safe but ppl were afraid...
And now ppl are afraid from Islam...Since the twin tower issue media had provocked a "panic" around islam...for ignorant ppl islam became the synonym of terrorism...for fanatic/ignorant ppl islam became a reason for attack the other cultures....(for example.. fanatics arabs here are protesting about the crucifix in the school classes)..
In conclusion i think that Media has the tendency to "swell" the news...to exagerate..and creates panic on the ppl...on every issue...not only religions...
I hope to have explained clear my point (my english isn't so good sorry!)

[zubin]

Interesting discussion over here. I will put down a couple of ideas. First off, Loftus is a professor at UCI whose work is known worldwide. The fact that psychology has such a profound impact in all aspects of life and all disciplines of life for me means that all people should have some level or degree of psychological knowledge. With that being said, it is obvious that in politics and in religion, psychological manipulation is used to get the observer, in the case of our discussion those who turn to media and politicians, to think a certain way. When you use the word "the" instead of "a" it does seem to strengthen the arguement that something that has "the" may actually exist when in reality it might not even exist.

Looking at why people use media, it is their way of feeling connected to the world around them. Some dont bother with media because they feel there is too much sadness in the world to be bothered with. They hide from the realities of life by pretending they dont exist or by sheltering themselves from those realities. I find that ignorant and I dont like those who dont like to be informed. The question then becomes who to trust with the valuble job of informing the masses? Depending on who you rely on for news, there will always be biases. If you watch fox news, you will get a republican view of things while someone like anderson cooper may have a more liberal approach. The best way to use media is to not relay on a single source. You need to look at various sources and come to an understanding of the news on your own. By comparing different sources, you can get a better picture of what actually happened.

As for religion, some aspects of religion are abused and used as a way to brainwash people as well. Like i said before, the concepts of psychology span all disciplines. So my answer would be media controls religion and religion controls media. Both are used to influence they way people think. Religon has an effect on how radical media becomes and media has an effect on how radical religion becomes. They come as a pair.

Let me know what you think Ramin.

There are inherent differences between media and religion ofcourse. My main response to this is that one needs to develop an accurate framework to people and life to guide their understanding of global issues, and considering different news sources is not enough to really understand issue. One needs a personal, accurate framework of people and life and use that when reading about things to avoid being manipulated.

well ok.. but i think that media has an effect to all aspect of society... religion or something else...
Just think about the epidemics like the Anthrax era or Sarse illness etc.. the Media in those cases created much panic on the people with bombarding news every minute...the conseguences were that ppl became paranoid ..nobody didn't go at chinese restaurant or bought any chinese product....
I remember at the time of the Iraq-US war...when i went to the shopping centers with my parents in Italy ..i saw ppl buying everything needed (for example tons of bread or milk) because the media created a state of alert...although we weren't near Iraq...we were safe but ppl were afraid...
And now ppl are afraid from Islam...Since the twin tower issue media had provocked a "panic" around islam...for ignorant ppl islam became the synonym of terrorism...for fanatic/ignorant ppl islam became a reason for attack the other cultures....(for example.. fanatics arabs here are protesting about the crucifix in the school classes)..
In conclusion i think that Media has the tendency to "swell" the news...to exagerate..and creates panic on the ppl...on every issue...not only religions...
I hope to have explained clear my point (my english isn't so good sorry!)

You're clear. I agree... and your experience is very interesting and relevant. I hope my response is not too condensed or difficult.

The debate is whether this (the manipulation of issues by media) means media should be the priority of focus over religion as a cause to today's problems... When we are talking about solutions... what should we change? And what can we change? I'm saying manipulative media is more important because it determines how radical religion becomes...