What Is Terrorism ?

[mike435]

According to webster,

violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>

Guys this is important to know what the diffrance is between a freedom fighter, Terrorist, and millitary actions,

they all cause terror and fear
but there is a big diffrance between a terrorist and terrorisom and soldire, freedom fighter and millitary action

It is unwise to no accept the word terrorisom as a solid word that means somthing.

Do not put freedom fighter, terrorist, and soldire in the same category just becuase they all creat fear and terror if it was like that you could than put other events in the basket aswell.

[donsaeid]

i ask my Q again!

who are terrorist and who are freedomfighter?

Hizbollah? Hamas? CIA? IRA? Al-Qaida? JAG(Jewish Action Group)? Red Brigade? FARC?

is supporting a group as bad as doing the act?

[indian_blues]

someone who is against United states of America is called Terrorist... as simple as that.

[donsaeid]

so if you are Against USA you are a terrorist?

it remines me of a book i read about Greece Civilization! They called every one else for barberians! they were the right people! same that jews think they are gods chosen people! and now US thinks they are gods chosen one! in every era there is someone thinking that way!

[mike435]

so if you are Against USA you are a terrorist?

it remines me of a book i read about Greece Civilization! They called every one else for barberians! they were the right people! same that jews think they are gods chosen people! and now US thinks they are gods chosen one! in every era there is someone thinking that way!

lol but here is a the huge diffance

even thogh jewish relligion says this, at the same time it leavs every other relligion and people alon
it does not consider theme wicked nor does it ban theme from the world to come
it considers them as people who are part of g-d world and g-dliness

to majortiy of mu knowledge it is totaly diffrent n other places were if you are not part of the relligion you are screwed
both here and world to come

more importanly 90 percent of people dont think like that in any of the relligions

[indian_blues]

lol but here is a the huge diffance

even thogh jewish relligion says this, at the same time it leavs every other relligion and people alon
it does not consider theme wicked nor does it ban theme from the world to come
it considers them as people who are part of g-d world and g-dliness

to majortiy of mu knowledge it is totaly diffrent n other places were if you are not part of the relligion you are screwed
both here and world to come

more importanly 90 percent of people dont think like that in any of the relligions

what the hell....mike u r making spelling mistakes deliberately ..any special reasons? want the reader to be awaken? ...

back to topic.... i consider the one who wants to take up arms against an individual or a elected govt is not a terrorist but against a particular religion, ethnicity, geographic, language, color is an terrorist... example Hitler. now in present day context the people who are against a govt and if the govt is an ally of US is an terrorist.

[donsaeid]

mike! check your jewish facts and history! read 4th Moses book! and Jashuas book! i have! than you will understand how jewish state on that time was functioning!


indian, why not? attack against american government in perle harbor! was it a terror attack or act of war? what about two tower? was it a terror attack or act of war!?

PS! indian i have posted some english articles about terror in iran as you requested!

[mike435]

mike! check your jewish facts and history! read 4th Moses book! and Jashuas book! i have! than you will understand how jewish state on that time was functioning!


indian, why not? attack against american government in perle harbor! was it a terror attack or act of war? what about two tower? was it a terror attack or act of war!?

PS! indian i have posted some english articles about terror in iran as you requested!

i did not say that it does not preach these
i said most jews dont make actions by it

[Inquisitor]

Salam

Mike 435

I was wondering if you know the difference between "Suicide" and "Sacrifice" ?

[mike435]

yea i think i have a perty good idea both ways

example you sacrifise your life so you can better the life of those left behined, or to save a greater number life or even the life of someone who you think there life is worth more than yours

or
the other way
you go on suffering so you dont cuse more harm to others

example cancer paitient lives with the pain of a morbid disies just so they dont hurt those who love theme or are around theme

i have a feeling that you might want to defend and lable what hamas alqueda or other terrorist groups who use suicide as a form of fighting as sacrifice
there action are in no way sacrifce not in short or long

and for suicide

it is a cowered selfish act

i dont think anything is more selfish than suicide
especialy when you do it beliving you will go to hevean that is puerly selfish
you blow yourself up knowing you will hurt those who love you and knowing that the ones left behind will eventualy pay the price

[Inquisitor]

i have a feeling that you might want to defend and lable what hamas alqueda or other terrorist groups who use suicide as a form of fighting as sacrifice
there action are in no way sacrifce not in short or long

I am a Shia Muslim and have no sympathy for Wahhabis and consider them as my enemy.

yea i think i have a perty good idea both ways

You have been misunderstood, therefore you are contradicting yourself

example you sacrifise your life so you can better the life of those left behined, or to save a greater number life or even the life of someone who you think there life is worth more than yours

or
the other way
you go on suffering so you dont cuse more harm to others

example cancer paitient lives with the pain of a morbid disies just so they dont hurt those who love theme or are around theme


and for suicide

it is a cowered selfish act

i dont think anything is more selfish than suicide
especialy when you do it beliving you will go to hevean that is puerly selfish
you blow yourself up knowing you will hurt those who love you and knowing that the ones left behind will eventualy pay the price

[mike435]

So a “suicide bomber” is neither mad nor ignorant and he/she is not forced by lack of choice, the collective pressure and the condition of ones country is by no means a standard to judge ones mental status. In the end individual decisions are made at the personal level. Some of these suicide bombers have actually moved from other countries such as United Kingdom! They had their lives and they had every reason to continue their normal life.

What remains is whether their action is selfish or not, it is perfectly obvious that it can not be selfish, to die for a cause or one or more people, is selfless.
Wassalam

intresting points

when you say by lack of choice this really bugs me
for alqueda and theri kind yes it might be lack of choice becuase there want are 100 percent un attainable

But for the palastinians who want a state it is attainable and they are destroying theme selfs right now by doing these suicide bobming attacks
i mean look every time a suicede bombing attack occuars they IDF goes and raizes the hous of the sucide bomber
security goes higher
life for palastinians become harder becuase again security thread has gone up
the peac process comes to a halt
and no one wins but the resolve of the israeli's to fight harder

so even HAMAS is doing it out of selfishness
i mean yes right now what hamas wants is unatinable all of Israel or atleast back to 67 lines with out regognition of israel
but still do you see how even they have a political path set in front of theme if they renounce violance recognize israel and take there state that is set asside for theme 97&#37; of west bank...

and if you want to talke the other way
there have been somany incteces were suicide is the thing to do and people dont do it best example living in the concentration camps knowing you will die and being a slave of others and living in shit yet people lived and foght to be alive

better example are gettos were the struggle is life long ad expands genrations people still continued to try to live

also regarding pain as being universal universal
not really
when a suicide bomber blows himeslf up and they both survive he and victom
he feels pain of being unlucky and the victoms who susrvies feels joy of being so lucky having survived the attack

the same way joy is not universal nor is pain.



and regarding selfless you are abosolutly right
dieing for a cause is being sefless but only if you die for the cuse it , brings betterment to those who witnessed or will come after your sacrifice

other than kamakzi's or for that matter an act of defensive sacrifise everything else is selfish

palastinians gain nothing by blowing theme selfs up
there is no sacrifise in that

by the way the reason i used the palastinians is becuse they have the closes legitimate reason to suicide as for of sacrifice

look when israelis were fighting for the state and they used terrorist tackits why didnt they commit suicide
becuase they had no motive for it
were on the other hand the relligious palastinian knows he will be a shahid so i think again at the root of it is a selfish want of being a shahid

if this foarm of fighting was condemd by the koran and i am not talking about interpetation but outright condemd expresitly there would be a lot less suicide attacks

[mike435]

i got it man

ok this is what makes it selfish

because based on these argumants you can also say that a soldire is also selfsih and that when say a family accepts or lets their kids fight they are baisily saying they have no respect for his life

but what makes it diffrent is this

a suicide bomber fights to die or become shahid

while a soldire fight to live and if in the process he does die than he becomes a shahid

you see based on intent how one would be selfless the other selfish

selfish is when fight so you can become shahid

selfless is when you fight to better the chance of livinf wether yours or others and in the process you might become shahid

and i think that is why america wont win against alqueda or for that matter israel might not win against HEZBOLAH

becuase they fight to DIE and become shahid

while the other side fights to live

it is much more costly for america or israel or for that matter any rational entity to becuse they sacrifise life while the enemy sells life or gives life.

hope to recive a quaity rebutle

[Inquisitor]

Mike

Your position is weak. You are contradicting yourself, also if you write it in an organized paragraph, I 'll be appreciate

[Inquisitor]

a suicide bomber fights to die or become shahid

while a soldire fight to live and if in the process he does die than he becomes a shahid

you see based on intent how one would be selfless the other selfish

selfish is when fight so you can become shahid

selfless is when you fight to better the chance of livinf wether yours or others and in the process you might become shahid

and i think that is why america wont win against alqueda or for that matter israel might not win against HEZBOLAH

becuase they fight to DIE and become shahid

while the other side fights to live

it is much more costly for america or israel or for that matter any rational entity to becuse they sacrifise life while the enemy sells life or gives life.

hope to recive a quaity rebutle

Firstly, you say they fight because they want to become martyr, yet you claim it is a selfish act if they want to achieve something that they believe in.
How is that make them selfish?

You cannot be called selfish while you want to achieve something.

If you want to become a Philosopher, Doctor ... , You can earn your degree without "selfishness" to others or ... .

You can call that competition, In this case, Muslim fighters such as Lebanese Hezballah are willing to become martyr. It is a competition.
A better example is Khatte Moghaddam ( Front line) when Iranian soldiers wish was to go in front and become martyr.