Islam and Iran

[Cop]

aslanam intor nis.. man khodam Arabic kamel sohbat mikonam, chon Kuwait be donya omadamo onja zendegi kardam my whole life o alan Canada hastam

man masaeli marboot be ta'aato ebadato mizaram kenar chon on arabie hamash
tooye zabane farsi kalamate arabi hast vali mesle kalamate engilisio faransavi! ino ba etminan migam

[BadJens]

Let me make it clear first off that I am not Anti-Arab. Having some Arab words, in and of itself is not bad and would diversify our language, but the fact that our languages (NOT just Persian, also Kurdish, Gilani, and any other Iranian language) have had huge chunks taken out and replaced with Arabic words.

I belive we walk the same path and no-one said that you are anti-Arab, we are reviewing history and why we do things the way we do. You had some questions which I've answered.

I don't think there is anything wrong with borrowing words from other languages that's a tendency any LIVING and developing language has but, as you mentioned, it's the dominance of Arabic and mixing it with Persian language which will result the fall of Persian Literature that bothers me.

I hope for any Iranian to learn at least 2-3 languages, look at our Azari, Kurdish, Arab brothers and sisters, they speak their own language and speak Persian too, some even know 4-5 languages and I say more power to them. I say lets learn Chinese if helps the country and our people. Look at us, we are both Iranian but typing in English, why?

On the Population, why is it that it has doubled? hmm...

Oh Yeah! Because the Islamic Regime told us to have more babies so we could send our children to die in Iraq, and then give them no respect when they return.

Also why do we mourn, of course habit, but it runs deeper than that. It is becuz we as Iranians are weak, and I say this not to insult Iranians, I am one. I see Iranians constanly depressed, self-pity is the worst possible state to be in. Anger and hatred is even better than depression, because at the very least it motivates one to do something, however rash that may be. Iran has very few violent people (the ones it does have are in the government). Ever since the Islamic Republic govt has been in power Iranians have only been in denial, very few people have even lifted a finger, stabbed or shot someone, or done anything.

Population is just one factor and it may surprise you but, the power of habit is enormese and sometimes as powerful as faith or love. Thought is the basis of action, and repeated action is the basis of habit formation. So in a way, it is the way we think you have to worry about which brings you back to Zoroasterian's 'good thoughts'.

I am your constant companion.
I am your greatest helper or your heaviest burden.
I will push you onward or drag you down to failure.
I am completely at your command.
Half the things you do, you might just as well turn over to me,
And I will be able to do them quickly and correctly.
I am easily managed; you must merely be firm with me.
Show me exactly how you want something done,
And after a few lessons I will do it automatically.
I am the servant of all great men.
And, alas, of all failures as well.
Those who are great, I have made great.
Those who are failures, I have made failures.
I am not a machine, though I work with all the precision of a machine.
Plus, the intelligence of a man.
You may run me for profit, or run me for ruin;
It makes no difference to me.
Take me, train me, be firm with me
And I will put the world at your feet.
Be easy with me, and I will destroy you.
Who am I?
I am HABIT!

Please never call Iranian 'weak' we have some weaknesses which makes us human but we are NOT weak.
Depression is a stage which comes when the reality of one's condition sets in and one's lifestyle changes dramatically and it's perfectly normal.

1 - Action
2 - Shock
3 - Denial, Fear, Isolation
4 - Anger
5 - Re-action
6 - Depression
7- Acceptance, Re-Evaluation (or in our case revolution)

In fact the Pahlavi family was Persian, the name Pahlavi was the name for middle Iranian language during the Sassanid dynasty, and means hero; This name was adopted by Reza and was not his original name.

He was a great man whom I have great respect for. The name was adopted by Reza so he became Persian you say. Should I claim that he was Arab because his first name was Reza for the very same reason that you are using? NO, he was Mazandarani and he was Iranian.

Why am I so insisting? I guess I am trying to make a point here, sometimes I read about Persian/Pars chauvinism, a term used by separatists (which, to my knowledge, has no basis) to justify their political and personal needs and agenda. I want to make it clear that what has happened in Iran mostly has nothing to do with Persians and they are used as scape goat. I feel that we should be more careful to not call everything and everyone Persian, that is all.

But beyond that who cares, whether Kurd, Persian, Gilani, Mazanderi, or Azari. As long as you are a descendent of the Iranid/Aryan peoples developed in the Iranian plateau then you are an Iranian. Enough of all this ethnic smack-talk, people need to shut up with their bs, we are all Iranians, and so long as we each want our own little nation out of Iran we are all gonna remain weak.

I guess we are just repeating each other lol, I too don't care who rules the country as long as they are just and work for a unified Iran.

I still dont get why we sit back and praise these Arabs. If it isn't obvious, just look at any major Sunni group, they hate Iranians, they loathe not only Persians but ALL Iranians. Dont believe me check this site for yourself

http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter20page1.htm

Why shouldn't I belive you? I personally believe it's a combination of blind faith and wrong habits. But hey, what do I know? I am just an old goat with a big mouth.

All of Mohammad's followers hated Iran. In fact Omar planned the genocide of many Iranians, and took many slaves. One day one of them, named Piroz asked for a little pay to help support his sick and starving family. Omar said no, he would never support a non-muslim. The next day at prayers the desperate Piroz stabbed Omar over and over again. Finally the crowd pulled him off Omar as he asked who killed him. They told him it was his Persian slave. He then thanked Allah that he wasn't killed by a Muslim.

And Arab Shiites dont care about you either. These "prophets" Ali and Hussein we praise were the ones responsible for KILLING many Iranians and invading Iran. Yet we hang portraits of him all over our houses!

What do I care whether Arab Shiites care about me or not, I am not even a Muslim. My religion is Iran, these guys(except Pirooz) you are naming are just bunch of charlatans to me.

[BadJens]

hich languageeeee unique nis va zabanhaye mokhtalef rooye ham tasir gozashtan..
hamin zabane farsi mage tanha arabi tooye zabane ma oomade? doros fekresho kon bebin che ghadr kalamate englisi va faransavi darim.


Albateh keh nist, in tabi'ate zaboonast keh az ham vazheh bardasht konan, amma ma dar morede inkeh chera, chetor va meghdare in loghataye gharzi sohbat mikonim, harchand be nazare man meghadre tasirgozariye har zabani bar zabane digari ham bayad kheyli moheme basheh .
In zabani hast keh az hezaran sale pish az pishiniane ma be ma resideh va paas-dashtesh baraye ma yek vazifast. Zabane Farsi zire poosheshe hendo-orupaee hast (Indo-European) va in tab'iye keh dar oon vazhehye moshabehe ziadi peyda misheh, baziash bardasht shodeh amma kheyliash nah.

Hatman inaro az zabane englisi gereftim, are?
Baraadar = brother
Madar = Mother
Dokhtar = Daughter
Pedar = Father
Chance = Shaans
Gazelle = Ghazaal
Henna = Hanna
Jackal = Shoghal
lemon = Limoo
Name = Naam
Pariy = Fairy
Group = Grouh
No-w = New
Paradise = Pardis
Sugar = Shekar
Jungle = Jangal
Cheque= Check
Shawl = Shaal
Tunder = Tondar
Spinach= Spenaj
Band = Band ( as in headband)
Diadem

[Cop]

age 30% arabic pas english ham hade aghal 30% va 30% ham digar zabanha.. pas chi mond farsi???

[BadJens]

age 30% arabic pas english ham hade aghal 30% va 30% ham digar zabanha.. pas chi mondfarsi???
Ounai keh BOLD neveshteh shodeh Parsiye(Farsi Arabi shodasheh)

[BadJens]

Dar zemn kasi magoft keh 30% az inja gerefteh shodeh 30% az oonja. Tarikh va risheh zabane farsi va takamolesho bekhoon, motevajeh mishi.
Mitooni be Shahnameh rojoo koni chon sanade esteghlale zabane farsiye lol

[ProudPersian]

NO, No not all similarities between Farsi and English are becuz we borrowed from English, not at all. Both English and Farsi are Indo-European languages and share a common ancestor language. So some of the words are still similar

Arabic on the other hand is NOT Indo-European, it is Semitic, so it shares no relation with Farsi and thus words in common are from Arabic, usually.

For example,

Baraadar is similar to brother but actually derives from the OLD IRANIAN Bradar, Madar also derives from OLD IRANIAN

Paradise actually comes from the OLD IRANIAN word for paradise, pairi-Daeva meanind enclosed Garden, (Iranian gardens were well regarded)

Naam comes from the OLD IRANIAN word Nama, not the English Name (though it probably came from the same origin)

Gazelle-Ghazal, actually comes from an ARABIC origin

Shance actually comes from FRENCH

Dokhtar likewise comes from OLD IRANIAN cognates

Pedar also comes from the OLD IRANIAN Pita

Energy comes from OLD IRANIAN, as does Baad (bad)

true we do have a lot of English and French words, but these are more for MODERN things like machine (car, from the English machine) or Compuyter (from the English computer). But it DOES NOT make up a very significant portion of our language (less than 5%). Since we ancestrally shared words with other Indo-Europeans we do have some cognates, DO NOT mistake these for actually being borrowed from those languages.

Since Arabic is not Indo-European, it is Semitic and does not share anything with Old Iranian. All Arabic words in Farsi have come from Arabic language.

For example

Ankaboot

Farsi (from the Arabic word for Parsi since arabs can pronounce P), what an Irony as we Iranians want to call the Persian gulf Khalij-e-Fars when the Iranian thing would be Khalij-e-Pars

bahar

salam

moafagh

asabani

fekr

mahdud

yavash, and on and on...

Here is a good site showing Iranian alternatives to Arabic words, the only problem is that many of the words are rarely used and sound very awkward in context (for example Dorud instead of Salam seems very weird)

http://iranianlanguages.com/sareh/index.htm

[BadJens]

[Cop]

sorry but neither bahar nor yavash are arabic!

badesham iran dare choobe moghiyate joghrafiyayeesho mikhore az ghadim ta hala... az ghadim be khatere jadeye abrisham ke shargho be gharb vasl mikard
vassalam name tamam.

[nava]

Let me make it clear first off that I am not Anti-Arab. Having some Arab words, in and of itself is not bad and would diversify our language, but the fact that our languages (NOT just Persian, also Kurdish, Gilani, and any other Iranian language) have had huge chunks taken out and replaced with Arabic words.

On the Population, why is it that it has doubled? hmm...

Oh Yeah! Because the Islamic Regime told us to have more babies so we could send our children to die in Iraq, and then give them no respect when they return.

Also why do we mourn, of course habit, but it runs deeper than that. It is becuz we as Iranians are weak, and I say this not to insult Iranians, I am one. I see Iranians constanly depressed, self-pity is the worst possible state to be in. Anger and hatred is even better than depression, because at the very least it motivates one to do something, however rash that may be. Iran has very few violent people (the ones it does have are in the government). Ever since the Islamic Republic govt has been in power Iranians have only been in denial, very few people have even lifted a finger, stabbed or shot someone, or done anything.


In fact the Pahlavi family was Persian, the name Pahlavi was the name for middle Iranian language during the Sassanid dynasty, and means hero; This name was adopted by Reza and was not his original name.

But beyond that who cares, whether Kurd, Persian, Gilani, Mazanderi, or Azari. As long as you are a descendent of the Iranid/Aryan peoples developed in the Iranian plateau then you are an Iranian. Enough of all this ethnic smack-talk, people need to shut up with their bs, we are all Iranians, and so long as we each want our own little nation out of Iran we are all gonna remain weak.

I still dont get why we sit back and praise these Arabs. If it isn't obvious, just look at any major Sunni group, they hate Iranians, they loathe not only Persians but ALL Iranians. Dont believe me check this site for yourself

http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookchapter20page1.htm

All of Mohammad's followers hated Iran. In fact Omar planned the genocide of many Iranians, and took many slaves. One day one of them, named Piroz asked for a little pay to help support his sick and starving family. Omar said no, he would never support a non-muslim. The next day at prayers the desperate Piroz stabbed Omar over and over again. Finally the crowd pulled him off Omar as he asked who killed him. They told him it was his Persian slave. He then thanked Allah that he wasn't killed by a Muslim.

And Arab Shiites dont care about you either. These "prophets" Ali and Hussein we praise were the ones responsible for KILLING many Iranians and invading Iran. Yet we hang portraits of him all over our houses!

Avalan harfe jomhuri islami sare bachedar shodan che rabti be in mozo dare, dige in moshakhase ke unha az esme islam darand soestefade mikonand ke karhae khodeshun ra toji konand,
Dovoman man tedade ziadi arab mishnasam, ke az iraniha ke badeshun nemiad barax, axarand ham sunni hastand, yeki az in arabha ke yek ruz behem goft ma arabha hame omidemun be shoma iraniha hast, chon farhange ma ke dare az bein mire, kharejiha ham ke har ki iraniha ra mishanse tariff mikone, che az farhange balamun, che bahushi va garm budanemun . . . nemiakhm sare kasi kolah begzaram vali inha ke vaghei hastand.
Taghsire dolathae pulduste arabi va in regim ast ke farhange ma va arabha dare az bein mire, agarna ke rasme mosalmuni hamishe in bude va hast ke vaghti yek ensani komak mikhad bayad daste komak behesh deraz koni, dige che berese yek mosalmune dige, hala che arab ya irani,

Moafagh bashi,

[ProudPersian]

Hatman inaro az zabane englisi gereftim, are?
Baraadar = brother
Madar = Mother
Dokhtar = Daughter
Pedar = Father
Chance = Shaans
Gazelle = Ghazaal
Henna = Hanna
Jackal = Shoghal
lemon = Limoo
Name = Naam
Pariy = Fairy
Group = Grouh
No-w = New
Paradise = Pardis
Sugar = Shekar
Jungle = Jangal
Cheque= Check
Shawl = Shaal
Tunder = Tondar
Spinach= Spenaj

Inja shoma goftin "hatman...gereftim", benazareh man ma'aniet bud keh az Engilise gereftim, ageh manzuret yeh chizi digeh bud, ahson nabud keh befarmam, vali bebakhshin

Avalan harfe jomhuri islami sare bachedar shodan che rabti be in mozo dare, dige in moshakhase ke unha az esme islam darand soestefade mikonand ke karhae khodeshun ra toji konand,
Dovoman man tedade ziadi arab mishnasam, ke az iraniha ke badeshun nemiad barax, axarand ham sunni hastand, yeki az in arabha ke yek ruz behem goft ma arabha hame omidemun be shoma iraniha hast, chon farhange ma ke dare az bein mire, kharejiha ham ke har ki iraniha ra mishanse tariff mikone, che az farhange balamun, che bahushi va garm budanemun . . . nemiakhm sare kasi kolah begzaram vali inha ke vaghei hastand.
Taghsire dolathae pulduste arabi va in regim ast ke farhange ma va arabha dare az bein mire, agarna ke rasme mosalmuni hamishe in bude va hast ke vaghti yek ensani komak mikhad bayad daste komak behesh deraz koni, dige che berese yek mosalmune dige, hala che arab ya irani,

Moafagh bashi,

Cherah bayad beh Arabha komak bokonim, barinke Musalmon hastan? In hich farg nemikhoneh be kasi keh migeh faghad be adam keh tuyeh nejadeh mah hastan komak bokonim. Din aslan hich rapt nadareh bara hessob kardan ki doosteh mah hast ya nah. Che be in Mesehi, yahudi, ya Zartushti keh avalin dineh Iran bud. Be ina komak nemikoni faghad be khatereh din? Man migam aval Iraniya dast bedim, az har din keh bashan, keshvareh mah Iran hast. Ageh Dobareh Iran yeh khanehyeh khoob o gavy bisheh, bad mitoonim beh har Keshvar, din, o nejad keh mitoonin dasteh mahom deraz bokonim

Ya be khodet aval Irani hasti ya Musalmon hasti. Man Irani hastam.

[BadJens]

ProudPersian

[Cop]

man tooye in thread dige reply nemikonam... chon mibinam aghlab koor koorane bekhatere diini ke hastesh daran bahs mikonan

[BadJens]

man tooye in thread dige reply nemikonam... chon mibinam aghlab koor koorane bekhatere diini ke hastesh daran bahs mikonan

[Cop]

lol ono shokhi goftam ye khorde naz konam lol(nemidonam engar dokhtaram ke bekham naz konam )

anyways, din ye chizze o kari kardan ke begam dinam in gofte ye chize digas
maaslaan amrika in karo ro ke mikone man biam begam dine masihiat dine badie? hitler in kara ro mikone begam dine badde? isarael intor mikone begam dine yahodiat bade?
hamontor ke goftam dinnnnn ye bahse o kari kardan be esme din injor mige yekc chize digas
man khodam mosalmoonam vali ba in ke mige shi'e o sunni aslan mowafegh nistam
islam yekie o ye peyghambar dare...
ta hala ba khodet deghat kardi ke shi'eha esme emam ali o emam hossein ro bishtar az esme peyghambar miaran?????
ba khodet fekr kardi ke shi'eha doa o mafatih janan ro bishtar az ghoran mikhonan?/
ba khodet fekr kardi sunniha esmaye khalifehashono bishtar az peyghambar miaran?
sunni'ha esme as'habe peyghambaro bishtar miaran??
innha hamash chizhayeee ke tooole tarikh shode o hame chizo fargh karde!
hammeye adyan injor hastesh