What is Khoshbakhti?

[zubin]

Hi everyone,

I never thought I had an answer to this question until something happened to me.

The question is particularly how does one achieve khoshbakhti, which is which is tied to the question what is khoshbakhti?


Let me know if you're interested in discussing it.

[Dokhtare_Malous]

vaghty khoshbakhty ke u first have education, zendegie khoob, and a love that you will be with for the rest of your life. khoshbakhti be ye joor hese
khoob migan, yejoor ehsase shadi, yejoor ehsase amniyat, yejoor
khoob boodan yejoor ehsasi ke be oon kasi ke mikhay residi va be oo chizi ke mikhay residi be nazare man these are the most important things to in khoshbakhty

[zubin]

wow, shoma khub khoshbakhtiro meeshnasi. Vali khoshbakhti ro ta hodoodi yek nafari gofti.

What about the guy, what is khoshbakhti for the guy? For some reason, I think its a little different. And that difference, and the nature of the relationshp, makes me understand it better.

Vali kheyli khub gofti. Adama, agar meekhayd "be khoshbakhti" bereseed, faghat lazeme poste dovome een threado hefz koneed!!!!!

[Dokhtare_Malous]

ok and what is khoshbakhti from a guy's point of view then?

[csite]

What is Khoshbakhti?

Driving a bentley!

Khoshbakhti - meeting someone whose into games, cars, football, chelo kabab and hip hop and 3soms .

Seriously though I completely disapprove of girls who are solely into guys who have an education (university), a house, a car and a secure job. Thats just a sad life without any problems or adventure.

[zubin]

Cluelessness is definitely a big feature of guys on this topic... Most guys are similarly completely lost and have no clue what makes them happy. They have the instinct, but they don't know what it is... I'm going to try to respond soon...

[Rasputin]

Khoshbakhti = Killing all akhounds + having relationships without any rules + being chapm of F1 and also GPM + swimming with Sharon Stone + Goin to jacuzzy with Kim Basinger + Finish my Book and Tesis + Diving with D. Ireland + Living In The Best City Of the World tehran/Shemiran .

[maryam9]

Cluelessness is definitely a big feature of guys on this topic... Most guys are similarly completely lost and have no clue what makes them happy. They have the instinct, but they don't know what it is... I'm going to try to respond soon...

just coz we dont agree with what someone else wants, doesnt mean theyre lost/confused.
everyones definiton of 'khoshbakhti' differs.

in all fairness, you've asked an open-ended question.

theres no right answer, its a matter of someones taste/personality

[zubin]

just coz we dont agree with what someone else wants, doesnt mean theyre lost/confused.
everyones definiton of 'khoshbakhti' differs.

in all fairness, you've asked an open-ended question.

theres no right answer, its a matter of someones taste/personality

who said? really? I doubt that... Khoshbakhti isn't food, its an essential feeling, and so it might not differ in its essence from person to person. We are all made of the same basic emotional and mental makeup. I think there is only a guy/girl distinction, due to a slight difference in roles.

The question is, what makes people have an enduring feeling of happiness, and the highest feeling of fulfillment, not what makes them temporarily happy or satisfied. Khoshbakhti is a very specific concept of complete fulfillment. There are no gaps in one's emotional state when there is Khoshbakhti.

Killing an evil person, driving a car, and the other examples given here, are examples of things that do not last long, and will be a matter of taste. But what happens when they are over? What's going to make a person happy? Guys have a hard time answering this question.

There is even research that they feel pressured and ashamed to tell their real feelings. It is likely that only one specific thing can make happiness endure for all guys, and that guys avoid it because of social norms and pressure, or because of their circumstances.

Most guys KNOW they are lost and confused... and they talk about it with each other... they just don't show it to girls...

So I'll say the question again, what makes happiness complete, leaving no gaps in one's emotional state but complete fulfillment, and makes it last?

Perhaps I'm wrong, I can't be 100% sure, but it would be nice to have a stronger argument for why khoshbakhti is essentially different for different people, like some examples...

[csite]

We're not confused, we simply don't talk about our feelings.

[zubin]

We're not confused, we simply don't talk about our feelings.

acting not confused is different from being not confused.

Most of the time, questions such as 'what is your goal in life', 'what do you seek to achieve in life', 'what is important to you' are avoided. But you would have to be able to answer such questions to know what makes you happy. Do you have an answer to these questions?

And we don't exactly not talk about our feelings. We like to talk about our problems sometimes, at least with people we're comfortable with, because we want them solved and to find happiness.

[sooz]

So I'll say the question again, what makes happiness complete, leaving no gaps in one's emotional state but complete fulfillment, and makes it last?

Honestly, I don't think there's any such thing! I could answer the first part of the question - what would make me happy leaving no gaps in my emotional state, but the next part, what makes it last? No answer.

Life can be tenuous, unexpected, and all can be destroyed in one second. One minute you think you've found nirvana and the next minute it's gone. In moments you can have complete happiness and fulfilment and you blink and it's all gone, destroyed for one reason or another.

I think we can only have an idea of what is khoshbakhti for each of us, and I do know it's different for different people. When you've lived most of your life, will you be able to look back and say you've achieved it? I think a vast majority of people won't be able to say that.

But you wanted exampes of why it's different or not for each of us. I talk to men and I talk to women. The bottom line for most people is LOVE. And even that is subect to the conditioning of our culture. Love for some cultures is completely different to other cultures. Most people, I suspect, have no idea what the word really means and what it entails. Don't ask me! I one thought I knew, but now I think I don't know either.

I know men and women in their 50s (around my age) who are of the opinion that they will never achieve that concept. They don't stop trying, they just know the reality of it.

I knew in my teens that I would not be happy with a husband, picket fence, 2.5 kids and a Volvo in the driveway. And yet that's what all my girlfriends wanted. I did not. There's an example of what it is for one person and not for another.

I think the only way to complete happiness is total indifference. Mind you, I don't want to live that way, but it works. Human beings are not so even tempered to have happiness and emotional stability all the time. And our egos get in the way too. Oh, maybe some can achieve it, but many do not.

Maybe to achieve that concept you are talking about, you need to go sit on a mountain, meditate for the rest of your life, and talk yourself into the fact that this is heaven on a stick.

sooz

[zubin]

Honestly, I don't think there's any such thing! I could answer the first part of the question - what would make me happy leaving no gaps in my emotional state, but the next part, what makes it last? No answer.

Life can be tenuous, unexpected, and all can be destroyed in one second. One minute you think you've found nirvana and the next minute it's gone. In moments you can have complete happiness and fulfilment and you blink and it's all gone, destroyed for one reason or another.

I think we can only have an idea of what is khoshbakhti for each of us, and I do know it's different for different people. When you've lived most of your life, will you be able to look back and say you've achieved it? I think a vast majority of people won't be able to say that.

But you wanted exampes of why it's different or not for each of us. I talk to men and I talk to women. The bottom line for most people is LOVE. And even that is subect to the conditioning of our culture. Love for some cultures is completely different to other cultures. Most people, I suspect, have no idea what the word really means and what it entails. Don't ask me! I one thought I knew, but now I think I don't know either.

I know men and women in their 50s (around my age) who are of the opinion that they will never achieve that concept. They don't stop trying, they just know the reality of it.

I knew in my teens that I would not be happy with a husband, picket fence, 2.5 kids and a Volvo in the driveway. And yet that's what all my girlfriends wanted. I did not. There's an example of what it is for one person and not for another.

I think the only way to complete happiness is total indifference. Mind you, I don't want to live that way, but it works. Human beings are not so even tempered to have happiness and emotional stability all the time. And our egos get in the way too. Oh, maybe some can achieve it, but many do not.

Maybe to achieve that concept you are talking about, you need to go sit on a mountain, meditate for the rest of your life, and talk yourself into the fact that this is heaven on a stick.

sooz

I personally agree with a lot of what you say... like for one moment you think you've achieved K and another moment its gone... but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It could mean something like the circumstances don't exist for K to be achieved easily. why not? For example, much of human culture right now is quite superficial, yet K is a concept requiring deep exploration.

Love for some cultures is completely different to other cultures.

Again, I agree... Cultures have different perceptions of what love is... but perhaps one of the cultures is actually right, or some closer than others... It doesn't negate the idea that love exists as a universal concept, independent of culture.

I knew in my teens that I would not be happy with a husband, picket fence, 2.5 kids and a Volvo in the driveway. And yet that's what all my girlfriends wanted. I did not. There's an example of what it is for one person and not for another.

That's an example of a difference between what people want yes... but it might be simply what they think they want... Most people don't know themselves and especially about what will make them happy very well.

Put better, what I'm saying is that this is not an example of different *achievements* of K... its an example of different perceptions of K. I want to hear about two people who have actually achieved K, know what has given them K, and explain that what has given them K is different from each other. That would be an example... We can talk about this hypothetically too, we really don't need the actual people. For example, can you say the people with the picket fences really achieved K? Who do you know that has actually achieved it, and how have they done so?

And I do agree that love is a major player. And though reflection and deep conceptualization about people, love and the world is probably required, I would say the person who meditates on a mountain can not achieve happiness because of loneliness, but may know how to *pursue* happiness... Doesn't mean they will achieve it...

I hope this was an interesting response...

[SuperWoman]

It’s a beautiful question and I’d like to start my first post here.

I asked myself, is happiness purely the satisfaction of desires whatever they may be… enduring love, strong friendship, wealth….but it’s not possible to satisfy desires because there are countless desires. Isn’t it true that new desires come the minutes the old ones are satisfied?

So I looked for an answer somewhere else. I think, with all honesty, that eternal happiness lies inside each and every one of us. It’s not to be looked for, because the process of looking for happiness makes you unhappy. I think it’s an experience to be enjoyed. So I believe happiness has no criteria and it’s closer to you that you may think.

I’ll try to post a more clear response…after some thinking

Nice to meet you all

[zubin]

It’s a beautiful question and I’d like to start my first post here.

I asked myself, is happiness purely the satisfaction of desires whatever they may be… enduring love, strong friendship, wealth….but it’s not possible to satisfy desires because there are countless desires. Isn’t it true that new desires come the minutes the old ones are satisfied?

So I looked for an answer somewhere else. I think, with all honesty, that eternal happiness lies inside each and every one of us. It’s not to be looked for, because the process of looking for happiness makes you unhappy. I think it’s an experience to be enjoyed. So I believe happiness has no criteria and it’s closer to you that you may think.

I’ll try to post a more clear response…after some thinking

Nice to meet you all

Nice to meet you to SuperWoman, and welcome!

Indeed, the concept is highly mysterious. The problem with most definitions is indeed the fact that they involve the achievement of objects of desire. The question is what is positively eternal. I think I have formulated an answer to this based on simultaneous benefits of simultaneous relationships... though mostly centered on the love/partner relationship. And I think the benefits of security are different for men and women, but I could be wrong.