Love & Law

[zubin]

Though this is a real world issue, consider this as a hypothetical situation where someone's partner is engaged in illegal activity. Would you break up with him/her? Would you care?

A couple of guiding principles include the fact that law and morality are different things. One can do illegal things but be a very moral person. Or do you disagree?

Another issue is that something may be illegal in one country but not in another country, so should a partner really be judged on the basis of what country they happen to live in?

[maryam9]

alrighty well it looks like i'm the 1st one... so here are my replies:

Though this is a real world issue, consider this as a hypothetical situation where someone's partner is engaged in illegal activity. Would you break up with him/her? Would you care?

Yes because it gives an insight into their personality traits etc. Not sure if finding out about a partner's misbehaviour will cause immediate break up, but if the person insists on doing that thing when he/she consciously knows theyre doing something wrong, then yeah, thatll be the end of it. (Reason = this personality trait can manifest itself in other much larger ways later on in the relationship). Do u really wanna put up with an immature partner 10 years down the line? I dont think so either...

A couple of guiding principles include the fact that law and morality are different things. One can do illegal things but be a very moral person. Or do you disagree?

Disagree... but i'll let someone else type their reasons (im too tired & am gonna go to bed soon)

Another issue is that something may be illegal in one country but not in another country, so should a partner really be judged on the basis of what country they happen to live in?

Its not about judging a person. Laws are there for a reason [[and im talking about real laws, not stupid made-up ones like the ones they have in Iran, (like getting married for one week).]] Chastity/faithfulness is another (unspoken) kind of law - will he/she break that too, etc?

[zubin]

this can be easily rationalized though. what I mean by law here is a rule. can you think of any rules that are always just? won't they all have exceptions for the sake of morality?

I guess my question is can you give me an example of a good law? also, can't a set of circumstances, where one is in dire need, arise, no matter what the law, and justify illegality?

perhaps an example will help. what if someone is smoking marijuana in the Netherlands, and is not breaking law. Now picture the same person in the US. Would you say that the person in the Netherlands is a better person? Its the same person. Or is the US law simply flawed?

sorry for the length and unclearness of all this

ps like your signature

[maryam9]

im SO tired right now so if what i say doenst make sense u know why...

I guess my question is can you give me an example of a good law? also, can't a set of circumstances, where one is in dire need, arise, no matter what the law, and justify illegality?

Yes, laws against drug smuggling.
extreme situation / circumstance = random lady in south america needs money desperately.
law is there for a reason,
protects her. how? it gets her out of unnecessary trouble etc.
and no matter how bad her situation is, there are ways around it. i.e. cleaning toilets, going round offering to wash peoples car windscreens etc.

sidenote, kinda reminds me of that irritating rnb song ages ago, about that lady who slept with men for money so her son doesnt cry from hunger pains or whatever.

point im trying to make with these examples = no matter how bad the situation can get, if u remain level-headed and dont lose yourself in the moment then there are always *legitimate* ways of getting around a situation.

[maryam9]

i dont think i answered your question lol, so tired, im going, g'nite.

[zubin]

i think you responded to the argument deeply. I think we can agree that some laws shouldn't be broken by people, such as a law protecting from violent spousal abuse. but the more economic laws. drugs is i think a good example. take this example, I admit its a bit complex, which hopefully speaks to the issue: (1) what you're doing is going to make a revenue of 1 million dollars through drugs, (2) if you didn't do it someone else would, (3) you are taking steps to reduce dependency on drugs and are genuinely helping the problem be solved through the revenue, (4) it is temporary with alternatives being developed, and (5) you could not have made that revenue through conventional methods.

after all, these are real life conditions...

[abadani69]

Do you consider Gambeling, drinking, smoking as illegal stuff?or is it just killing, doing drugs, rubbery, kidnapping etc. are only illegal stuffs?

[zubin]

it can be murder, like an organized mob that takes revenge for innocent people

it can be drugs, trafficking

it can be financial fraud

[Leigha]

who cares what your guy is doing as long as you arent in trouble, hes not in trouble and you are both happy

[abadani69]

hala injoori i haven't had any of these crime. If i do any of these crime then i will come give my opinion

it can be murder, like an organized mob that takes revenge for innocent people

it can be drugs, trafficking

it can be financial fraud

[Leigha]

who is apart of an organized mob? i would like to know if those even exist anymore? i think they are called big businesses.... lol

[zubin]

well it was just an example, but some big businesses could be said to be doing illegal things and immoral things. the point is that some people would have a problem if their partner did the illegal things, while some people would respect their partner who doesn't do anything illegal, but does immoral things (quite masked) through loopholes in the business world. generally I think there is an issue with law in some relationships!

[zubin]

khalaf pas to che kar kardi!

hala injoori i haven't had any of these crime. If i do any of these crime then i will come give my opinion

[Leigha]

zubin azeez, that is the point that i was trying to make, big businesses are very much like the mafia today where as they have put their morals to the side and have some unscrupulous behavior to explain to the media. though i do support them, i do also think that they are somewhat corrupt and greedy, every single one of them. no matter how much philanthropic work they do, like microsoft for starters, but anyways ... i guess that is how i would view my other ... dont ask dont tell as uncle sam says

[zubin]

yeah I see what you're saying. I personally agree that one shouldn't judge their other based purely on their illegal activity. I also think the other's moral as opposed to legal views are more important to the relationship. Last, I just wanted to mention that I do think this is an issue in relationships, though we often don't talk or think about it. I think a person cares whether someone likes them "unconditionally" despite their behavior. I think its a big issue of security in a relationship.

anyway, thanks for your view, I personally agree with you.

btw though, there are a lot of real 'mobs' out there like the russian and chinese mafias etc... they are HUGE. every country has organized crime, because the nature of laws these days is that they are insufficient for solving many real life problems like employment/economics (where a mob makes up for it by recruiting the unemployed), and even justice (where the law does not prosecute some guilty parties and a mob goes after them instead). also freedom is an issue. laws take away many freedoms that can be fulfilled through organized crime. I do see your point though that big business and organized crime are kindof merging more and more together. I think the conclusion is that law doesn't work! but anyway...