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RedWine
07-24-2005, 11:06 AM
Sexual Adventures with a Religious Virgin.
By :Shokooh Miry
Question: I am 45-year old Iranian male living in America for most of my life. I recently married with a 24 year old girl from Iran. She had spent all her life in Iran and was brought up in a conservative family. I, on the other hand, am very liberal and like to explore new things and navigate in the un-chartered territories. Specifically, my problem is that I would like to engage in non-conventional sex. But she resists me with all the traditional and religious taboo-like pretexts she had been taught growing up.
I have had multiple relationships with multiple women sometimes at the same time and I am used to having various forms of sexual acts. But, when I decided to get married, I thought it would be a good idea to marry a pure person. That’s why I decided to marry someone from Iran. But, after a short while I started missing the kinds of things I used to do with other women. I want those liberal sexual adventures! This problem is becoming so big that I am afraid our marriage is about to fall apart.
Answer:Sometimes, when we are mired in a life situation, things become so chaotic that it is difficult to see. The simple becomes complex, the clear becomes blurry, and the obvious becomes obscure.
I think the best I can do to shed light on your predicament is summarize the issue and suggest that you read my summary many, many times. Here it is:
***You are a sexually unconventional man who thought it was a good idea to marry a much younger “pure” woman who is “traditional and religious.” Now, you are upset because she doesn’t want to engage in liberal sexual adventures with you. ***
Think hard about that. In fact, read it aloud a couple times.
I believe that the best next step for you and your wife is to seek the assistance of a licensed therapist qualified in marital counseling. A therapist can help guide you towards a better understanding of yourself while creating a safe and open place for you and your wife to have a frank discussion about your sexual preferences. This conversation sounds like it is long overdue.
Najibam
07-24-2005, 01:50 PM
Sexual Adventures with a Religious Virgin.
By :Shokooh Miry
Question: I am 45-year old Iranian male living in America for most of my life. I recently married with a 24 year old girl from Iran. She had spent all her life in Iran and was brought up in a conservative family. I, on the other hand, am very liberal and like to explore new things and navigate in the un-chartered territories. Specifically, my problem is that I would like to engage in non-conventional sex. But she resists me with all the traditional and religious taboo-like pretexts she had been taught growing up.
I have had multiple relationships with multiple women sometimes at the same time and I am used to having various forms of sexual acts. But, when I decided to get married, I thought it would be a good idea to marry a pure person. That’s why I decided to marry someone from Iran. But, after a short while I started missing the kinds of things I used to do with other women. I want those liberal sexual adventures! This problem is becoming so big that I am afraid our marriage is about to fall apart.
Answer:Sometimes, when we are mired in a life situation, things become so chaotic that it is difficult to see. The simple becomes complex, the clear becomes blurry, and the obvious becomes obscure.
I think the best I can do to shed light on your predicament is summarize the issue and suggest that you read my summary many, many times. Here it is:
***You are a sexually unconventional man who thought it was a good idea to marry a much younger “pure” woman who is “traditional and religious.” Now, you are upset because she doesn’t want to engage in liberal sexual adventures with you. ***
Think hard about that. In fact, read it aloud a couple times.
I believe that the best next step for you and your wife is to seek the assistance of a licensed therapist qualified in marital counseling. A therapist can help guide you towards a better understanding of yourself while creating a safe and open place for you and your wife to have a frank discussion about your sexual preferences. This conversation sounds like it is long overdue.
Uhm I don't know what to say since I'm quit surprise that anyone would bring up such a private issue on a border...but good luck whatever happens!
Najibam
07-25-2005, 07:59 AM
By the way Redwine I do have a question for you.
Why was it so important for you to find a pure virgin (not that I understand the connection between purity and virginity) instead of a person who's on the same level as you and who shares similiar sexual experiences?
RedWine
07-25-2005, 08:59 AM
Najibam You are askin' me somethin' very private and i can't explain it here by some words and to tell you about my experience!
Najibam
07-25-2005, 09:21 AM
Najibam You are askin' me somethin' very private and i can't explain it here by some words and to tell you about my experience!
What?! First you start to share the most private thing in this border, then want advice and then you're surprised that I ask a question about the whole situation! Why did you write it in the first place?
This makes no sence at all......
RedWine
07-25-2005, 09:24 AM
I write it for virgin boys and girls,not for me ! here we can talk about everything which is good to share with another persons but i didn't say you can write your private stuff over here !
Najibam
07-25-2005, 09:28 AM
I write it for virgin boys and girls,not for me ! here we can talk about everything which is good to share with another persons but i didn't say you can write your private stuff over here !
Oh sorry I missunderstood!
I thought you were talking about yourself and wanted advice so I didn't understand your reaction, you should have told me!
Sorry for the confusion
Najibam
07-25-2005, 09:33 AM
I write it for virgin boys and girls,not for me ! here we can talk about everything which is good to share with another persons but i didn't say you can write your private stuff over here !
By the way why is it my private stuff, you started to write and I asked about you , not me and I didn't get the impression it was directed to virgins!
RedWine
07-25-2005, 09:37 AM
Don't take it in this way amigo ! i put the info and i can to show you the way,nothin' else :) .
elly khoshkele
07-27-2005, 05:33 AM
ok sorry but is this redys life or this shookoh miry?? and i have to say to whose ever life this belongs to that i think you need help!! and guess what?? you should NOT have gotten marieed to a person with views so diffrent from u man!! if u ask me u are not even ready to get maried to ANYONE!! and i am very sorry and really no offence but i believe that you have comitment issues!! i mean more thatn one relationship at a time?? oh man you have problems and issues to deal with!!!!!!!
Najibam
07-27-2005, 12:05 PM
ok sorry but is this redys life or this shookoh miry?? and i have to say to whose ever life this belongs to that i think you need help!! and guess what?? you should NOT have gotten marieed to a person with views so diffrent from u man!! if u ask me u are not even ready to get maried to ANYONE!! and i am very sorry and really no offence but i believe that you have comitment issues!! i mean more thatn one relationship at a time?? oh man you have problems and issues to deal with!!!!!!!
I agree with you Elly....
"مسايل غير اخلاقی"HAMATOON DAARIN. AKHLAAGHETOON SHAREE NIST. MAN AZ IN THREAD HAA KHOSHAM NEMIYAAD VALI THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
elly khoshkele
08-01-2005, 04:48 AM
iq???????/ copy paste mikoni vaseye hame hamuno minevisi?? badesahm az key tahala u emam jome shody????????????????????????
RedWine
08-01-2005, 09:56 AM
lol hamino begoo elly !
YOU THINK YOU KNOW, BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA!! :)
elly khoshkele
08-14-2005, 05:44 AM
oh my goddddd........ bacheha iq june mannnnnnn has been abdusted(his spirit that is......) baba torokhoda eki iq ro khubesh koneee iq junammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bargarddddddd
doost mige man goftam vali doshmanet mige man mikhaastam begam. haalaa az maa goftan. :)
RedWine
08-14-2005, 12:24 PM
IQ Bi Khial khoshgeleh :D
elly khoshkele
08-15-2005, 09:14 PM
iq junam?? azizam?? man ke khodam midunam in kar bade ke IQQQQQQQ!!! vali akhe TO inuri nabudyyyy barae hamin man kheyli concerned shodammmmmmm!!!! bashe khoshgelam?? rasty ina xe pishi ro az koja avordy?? kehyli nazheeeeeeee vooooosssssssshhhhhhhhh!!!!! jijare maneeeeeeeeee
elly khoshkele
08-15-2005, 09:14 PM
rasty jijare man pishiyaro goftama!! na toro!!! yoho ghaty nakoniiiii
na ghaaati nemikonam. don't worry. TOBE KARDAM :)
RedWine
08-16-2005, 01:28 PM
IQ hala bia in Elly jooneh maro ya machesh bekon :D
y should i?????????
i am a changed man!!!!
elly khoshkele
08-16-2005, 11:39 PM
baba redy juanm iq ro azyta nakon!! vali kahrej az shukhiha iq jan.. vagahena taghir kardy ya alakiye?? manzuram inek ke belakahre sare aghl umady?? ya be khoda va namaz o in ahrfa etegahd peyda kardy ya alakiye hamash??
vaaghe'an shoroo kardam
i am not kidding
elly khoshkele
08-17-2005, 11:01 PM
kheyli khoshhalam azizam!!! kheyli khoshhalam bekhdoa iq jan!! enshalah ke be haghe ali(mamanm hamishe mige)khosh abkht beshi!!!
maro ham doa kon iq jan!!! khoda be harfe adamye del pak zudtar gush mide!!!
Nazanin
08-18-2005, 01:05 PM
Be nazare man, hamchin adami aslan nabayad ezdevaj kone, che berese bekhad tooye yek "committed relationship" bashe.
Adamaye intori have serious issues that they need to take care of before taking such a big/important step in their life.
taraf khodesh har ghalati khaste karde too zendegish, bad mogheye ezdevaj ke shode rafte ye virgin gerefte. In ye tarze fekre fogholade aghab oftade hast & omidvaram roozi berese ke dokhtara ye kami aghleshoono be kar bendazan & ba hamchin kasani ezdevaj nakonan.
Mardi ke khodesh hezar kar karde too zendegish has NO RIGHt ke tavagho dashte bashe kasi ke mikhad bahash ezdevaj kone donya-nadide bashe.
Albate khode dokhtara ham khariyat mikonan ke bekhatere raftan be KHAREJ dast be hamchin karai mizanan.
Nadide nashnakhte ezdevaj mikonan faghat az eshghe KHAREJ, aslanam barashoon mohem nist ke taraf kiye/che karas.
Masalan marde behesh gofte che adame kasafiye bad inam ghabool karde zanesh beshe? Yeah freakin' right.
This kind of sh*t disgusts me.
elly khoshkele
08-18-2005, 11:23 PM
ey val nazi jun!! bahat kamelan movafegham aziz!!! rasty aziz chera enagdhr kam miyay aziz?? delam vast tangide azizammmmmmmmmm
mage nemidooni irane. az iran sakhte biyaay injaa saresh shoolooghe. :)
Nushabeh
08-19-2005, 05:53 PM
chegad mardekeh divoonast.. aslan liagateh zan zadareh
elly khoshkele
08-20-2005, 07:43 AM
chera baba iq!!!!!! midunam irane!! vali akhe delam vasash tangide!! rafte iran khsoh migzare kam peyda shode!! khoda kone zude zud biyaddddddd
Nushabeh
08-20-2005, 11:47 AM
hala key garareh bargardeh?
RedWine
08-20-2005, 08:47 PM
So could we
By Sh.Azizi
First part
When I was a teenager I made a bet with my cousin that I would lose my virginity before him. I remember we were sitting in our garden in Tehran, under the walnut tree, by the swimming pool.
It was the seventies, I was around fourteen, and my cousin, who was my best friend and confidant, was a year older. I had not yet lived in the West but I did attend the American-style Community School. My mother had attended the American missionary school in Tehran and was one of the founding members of the Saazemaan-e- Zanaan, a women’s organization, headed by the Shah’s rather notoriously promiscuous sister, Ashraf Pahlavi.
We were wealthy and Westernized. Even though I was a Muslim girl, only one or two generations removed from those who first abandoned the Hejab, my desire to lose my virginity was not so odd. It rose as much from my reading of my mother’s Harold Robbins novels as my own teenage, tomboy-feminism. In our very small circle of well to do, Western educated Iranians, a good number of women, either influenced by the sexual revolution raging in the West, or an elitist sense of license, were sexually active. These pioneers did not consider the loss of virginity before marriage as taboo.
Yet amongst my teenage peers I was a bit of a radical. I remember arguing with both female and male friends about the unfairness of expecting women to keep their virginity while encouraging men to lose it. I developed my stance in a very matter of fact way: if the guys could do it so could we. My belief in affording equal opportunity to female desire predated my reading of feminist tracts-- before discovering de Beauvior and Friedan and Jong. It was the kind of feminism that grew out of playground experience, out of being able to kick the soccer ball as well as any boy.
The Islamic Revolution brought home to us the fact that we were not typical Iranian women. We, of course, always knew this, but now it was a source of shame. The Revolution, exposing the ‘cultural imperialism’ that had given rise to our liberated views, made us cringe. We distanced ourselves, feeling like we were not quite Iranian. Those of us who were abroad and already thinking in English began to feel more alienated from our roots than ever. We tried to take the objective stance of anthropologists studying another peoples’ culture.
We were interested in developments in Iran but felt too different and removed to be able to judge or participate in any real way. No one could deny the fact that the majority of women willingly took on the Hejab, newly imposed by the Islamic state. That simple fact, more than any ideological battle or bullying techniques, made us retreat. Inside and outside Iran women who believed in freedom of sexual expression were either silenced and/or made to feel alienated from the majority.
It had been a long time since I had had to argue against the need for virginity in not-yet-married women. Mostly because when living abroad, none of the women I knew were virgins. In fact at college, in Boston, the virgins were stigmatized. There was a kind of reverse discrimination. Even the Iranian men I knew considered it at best an inconvenience to sleep with or marry a virgin. The only technically virgin friend that I had, in my years of college, was a lesbian.
Of course I came to see that the blatant cooption of a male sense of sexuality did not work either. Too many broken hearts, too many one-night stands without an orgasm, confirmed the reality of a difference in male/female sexuality that my teenage feminism had not taken into account. Most of us soon understood the need to forge a unique approach to female sexuality instead of a simple mimicking of men. We evolved as women and feminists at a different pace and in a different context than our Iranian sisters both then and now.
Here, in Iran, there are more pressing needs. When you have laws that glaringly declare you half a human being, like the blood price for a woman being half that of a man’s, freedom of sexual expression takes a back seat to the quest for the simple recognition of your full humanity.
I ran into the issue of virginity again, some thirty years later when talking to women in Iran. From religious women and Hezbollahis I always expect a Koran-based, conservative stance and treat it with anthropological deference. But what shocked me was when I met a self-proclaimed feminist and atheist, an admirer of De Beauvior, who at the age of thirty-eight still holds fast to her virginity. So I started asking around to get a feel for how women in Iran, young and old, feel about the need for women to be virgins before marriage.
Even the types I least expected believed in it. Not out of any religious conviction but out of a type of female pragmatism that has bloomed here. Draconian laws, economic hardship and a state-sponsored return to traditional mores, have given birth to a new kind of female. Women here are modern, aggressive and ready to use their chastity to attain a better life. They become engineers and doctors; they get nose jobs and make themselves up like prostitutes, but that hymen they never give up, unless it is for a marriage. It is not a man they seek, but the institution of marriage itself, which in many cases at once gives them legitimacy and license.
RedWine
08-20-2005, 08:47 PM
So could we
By Sh.Azizi
Second part
Legitimacy, because only as married women are they considered successful regardless of other achievements. License, because only with marriage can they leave the paternal nest. With a fifty percent divorce rate many of these women become divorcees. More than a few women have told me that it is better to marry and then divorce than it is not to marry at all. In fact divorced women enjoy much more freedom and a degree of promiscuity is expected of them.
Much like Victorian England a whole underworld of drugs and prostitution thrive just under the skin of society’s conservatism. For ordinary women this underworld represents a much-feared hell.
Most of the women, I spoke to, believe that if they lose their virginity they will lose suitors. The man, they make a forceful argument, will not want to marry them afterwards and no one else will either. Some engage in non-penetrative sex but only as away to lure and keep the men interested. But they all look at their virginity as dowry. There is even a little cottage industry for surgically sewing back the hymen.
“But what about pleasure? Lezzat?” I ask these women, and without exception they look at me like I am a helpless child needing direction. They either think that any thought of pleasure is frivolous or that pleasure cannot be a priority under ‘these conditions’. When I tell them how I view the matter they stare at me and tell me, “You have been on the other side (meaning the West) too long.” I tell them, “but I thought this way when I was fourteen and living here.” They then make the common refrain, “things are different now.”
These women are too clever to be considered repressed victims who need their consciousness raised. Keeping their virginity makes them feel in control of their bodies, even if it is for trade. They want a husband not only because without him they are stigmatized by society, but also because it is the best way to find stability and security (terms often used in these discussions). Their pragmatism is their survival tool in the Islamic Republic. Take them out of this context and they are sure to value their virginity less. Theirs is an argument for efficacy and not one of conviction.
mehrdad_tanha
08-21-2005, 12:48 AM
sam alikom ma omadim enja ke film bebinim vase hamin majbor shodim sabtenam konim hala kase ham khast ashena beshim dar khedmatim usa bidam
HAHAH pas mikhaay filme majaani bebini.
alsalaamo aleykom
kojaaye usa zendegi mikoni?
albate postet mehrdad be virgin sex rabti nadaare vali taaze oomadi it's ok.
RedWine
08-24-2005, 02:35 AM
sam alikom ma omadim enja ke film bebinim vase hamin majbor shodim sabtenam konim hala kase ham khast ashena beshim dar khedmatim usa bidam
Injaro eshteba gerefti dadash !
Nushabeh
08-24-2005, 08:50 PM
LOL omg!
elly khoshkele
08-27-2005, 08:08 AM
yeah i agree nushi jun.. omgggggggggggg
RedWine
04-06-2006, 06:11 AM
Safe sex, also called safer sex, is a set of practices designed to reduce the risk of transmitting sexually-transmitted infections (STIs) (also known as sexually-transmitted diseases or STDs). Conversely, unsafe sex refers to engaging in sex without the use of any contraceptive or preventive measures against STDs.
Safer sex practices became prominent in the late 1980s as a result of the AIDS epidemic. From the viewpoint of society, safer sex can be regarded as a harm reduction strategy. Safe sex is about risk reduction, not complete risk elimination.
Although safe sex practices can be used as a form of family planning, the term refers to efforts made to prevent infection rather than conception. Many effective forms of contraception do not offer protection against STIs.
RedWine
04-06-2006, 06:11 AM
Terminology
Recently, and mostly within the United States, the use of the term safer sex rather than safe sex has gained greater use by health workers, with the realization the grounds that risk of transmission of sexually-transmitted infections in various sexual activities is a continuum rather than a simple dichotomy between risky and safe. However, in most other countries, including the United Kingdom and Australia, the term safe sex is still mainly used by sex educators. Because these terms are virtually synonymous with each other, they will be used interchangeably throughout this article.
RedWine
04-06-2006, 06:11 AM
Focus on AIDS
Much attention has focused on controlling HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, through the use of condoms, but each STI presents a different predicament. However, sex educators recommend that some form of barrier protection as a harm reduction measure should be used for all sexual activities which might potentially result in the exchange of body fluids.
RedWine
04-06-2006, 06:12 AM
Abstinence
One way to avoid the risks associated with sexual contact is to abstain from sex entirely, which virtually elimates the chances of contracting STDs. This approach is advocated by the members of many religions who oppose sex outside marriage, and is sometimes encouraged by the promotion of virginity pledges and sexual abstinence education for teenagers.
Masturbation
Solitary masturbation (including "phone sex" and "cybersex") is a safe form of sexual activity, so long as contact is not made with discharged bodily fluids.
Approaching sex with caution
Acknowleding that it is usually impossible to have entirely risk-free sex with another person, proponents of safer sex recommend that some of the following methods be used to minimize the risks of STI transmission and unwanted pregnancy.
Monogamy or polyfidelity, practiced faithfully, is very safe (as far as STIs are concerned) when all partners are non-infected. However, many monogamous people have been infected with sexually-transmitted diseases by partners who are sexually unfaithful, have used injection drugs, or were infected by previous sexual partners; the same risks apply to polyfidelitous people, who face slightly higher risks depending on how many people are in the polyfidelitous group.
Communication with one's sexual partner(s) makes for greater safety. Before initiating sexual activities, partners may discuss what activities they will and will not engage in, and what precautions they will take. This can reduce the chance of risky decisions being made "in the heat of passion".
For those who are not monogamous, reducing the number of one's sexual partners, particularly anonymous sexual partners, may also reduce one's potential exposure to STIs. Similarly, one may restrict one's sexual contact to a community of trusted individuals - this is the approach taken by some pornographic actors and other non-monogamous people.
Fluid bonding is a technique used by some polyamorous people to limit their exposure to STIs: partners agree to always use protection when having sex with anyone besides their fluid-bonded partner(s).
Refraining from the use of recreational drugs, including alcohol, before and during sexual activity can protect against associated risks such as lowered inhibitions, impaired judgement, and loss of consciousness.
RedWine
04-06-2006, 06:13 AM
Preventing fluid exchange
Various devices are used to avoid contact with blood, vaginal fluid, and semen during sexual activity:
Condoms cover the penis during sexual activity. They are most frequently made of latex, but can also be made out of polyurethane. Polyurethane is thought to be a safe material for use in condoms, since it is nonporous and viruses cannot pass through it. However, there is less research on its effectiveness than there is on latex.
Female condoms are inserted into the vagina prior to intercourse. They may also be used for anal sex, although they are less effective.
A dental dam (originally used in dentistry) is a sheet of latex used for protection when engaging in oral sex. It is typically used as a barrier between the mouth and the vagina during cunnilingus or between the mouth and the anus during anilingus. A piece of plastic wrap may be used as a dental dam; Plastic wrap has been tested by the FDA and CDC and found effective in preventing the transmission of virus-sized particles, although "microwave-safe" wrap may be ineffective [citation needed]. Latex condoms can also be cut to form an improvised dental dam.
Medical gloves made out of latex, vinyl, nitrile, or polyurethane may be used as an ersatz dental dam during oral sex, or to protect the hands during mutual masturbation. Hands may have invisible cuts on them that may admit pathogens that are found in the semen or the vaginal fluids of STD infectees. Although the risk of infection in this manner is thought to be low [citation needed], gloves can be used as an extra precaution.
Another way to avoid contact with blood and semen is outercourse (non-penetrative sex), or forms of penetration that do not involve a penis, such as the use of dildos (when cleaned or covered with condoms).
RedWine
04-06-2006, 06:13 AM
Ineffective methods
Note that most methods of contraception other than the barrier methods mentioned above are not effective at preventing the spread of STIs.
The spermicide Nonoxynol-9 has been claimed to reduce the likelihood of STI transmission. However a recent study by the World Health Organization [1] has shown that Nonoxynol-9 is an irritant and can produce tiny tears in mucous membranes, which may increase the risk of transmission by offering pathogens more easy points of entry into the system. As a result condoms with a Nonoxynol-9 lubricant are not to be promoted.
Coitus interruptus (or "pulling out"), in which the penis is removed from the vagina, anus, or mouth before ejaculation, is not safe sex and can result in STI transmission or pregnancy. This is because of the formation of pre-ejaculate, a fluid (which may contain sperm) that oozes from the urethra before actual ejaculation. In addition, open sores on either partner can permit transmission. This does reduce the chance of STI transmission, however, and is sometimes recommended as a harm reduction strategy for those habitually engaging in unsafe intercourse.
shazz
04-17-2006, 07:15 PM
:p :smt073 HuH Huhuhuhuhu..Hey Man u Have To Keep this in Yer Heart :DHuhuhuh
elly khoshkele
04-21-2006, 11:09 AM
salam... redwine jun.. u provide us with great things!! thank u!!! refering to Virginity and the incredible pragmatism of the Iranian woman: i have been taking Theory of Knowledge (TOK) for about 9 months now.... and i have to say.. this topic has come up many times before.... well i have to say to the writter of this article that khyeli eshtebah mikone... man khodam be shakhse az 4 salegi kharej az iran bozorg shodam... va pedaro madaram be man eslam ro tozih dadan... va bad be man goftan.. khodet entekhab kon ke chi kar mikhay bokoni.. va khodet entekhab kon ke che dini mikhay dashte bashi... va man eslam ro entekhab kardam... bedune inke tu iran basham... in choice khodam bud!! man be virginity kheyli eteghad daram... va ghaedatan kheyli ham dalil daram baraye in mozu....
vali man fekr mikonam ke eshtebahe ke hame fekr mikonan orfe irooniye ke majbur mikone ma khanum haye irooni virginity ro enghadr mohem bedunim.. balke in chiziye ke az ghadim tu hame jayedonya.. regardless of religion or race bude... agar ma irooniya hanuz be culturemun eteghad darim.. in dalil bar bad budane ma nist!!
man eki az dustam norwegi hast... and for those who know norwagians... they are very open about their sexual relationships and theya re usually nover virgins after the age of 16!!! vali.. hameye un dustayi ke virgin nistan.... migan ke tu norweg.... agar eh dokhtar virgin bashe.... kheyli khube....
vali eh mozuye dige ham hast.. agar eh zan tu iran baraye virgin nabudanesh motaham mishe va tu jamele angosht nama mishe... tu kharej eh dokhtari ke virgin bashe hamin moshkelo dare... man ham daghighan in moshkelo daram... i do not drink; i do not smoke; and i do not have sex..... in chiziye ke mano ba tamamiye dustan joda mikone!! hame mano eh jure dige negah mikonan... hame eh jure digan ba man..... va in ham hich farghi ba vaziyate tuye iran nadare!! pas banabarin.. kasayi ke tu kharej hastan va ya tu iran ke enghadr sange kahrejo va western haro be sine mizanan.... bedunid ke inja ham hamchin behtar nist.....
albate.... this is jus a generalisation... everywhere there are diffrent pple... i m jus retelling my side of the story!!!
i belive in humanity... i belive in respect.. and i believe in individual choices regardless of race, religion and sex..... aghideye har shakhsi moghadase va ghabele tahsine.... of course... there are some things that are acceptional!!!
omg.. TOK has changed my view on life!!!!
RedWine
04-21-2006, 11:43 AM
elly jan, khosh halam dobareh mibinamet invara ;) .
elly khoshkele
04-24-2006, 01:02 AM
merc redyy jun... bekhoda delam tangide bud.. vali kheyli akr dashtam.. bekhoda bi vafa nistam!!
RedWine
10-17-2006, 12:30 PM
Any new opinions.. !?
RedWine
09-05-2007, 07:03 AM
ماه*ها بود که دختر و پسر جوان دنبال خانه می*گشتند. قیمت*ها آنقدر گران بود که هنوز خانه مناسبی برای اجاره امکان پیدا نکرده بودند. بالاخره تصمیم گرفتند بیش از نیمی از در آمدشان را برای اجاره یک آپارتمان پنجاه متری یک خوابه اختصاص دهند که بتوانند زودتر ازدواج کنند و از بلاتکلیفی و فشار روحی خلاص شوند.
قرار عقد برای دو هفته بعد گذاشته شد. همه چیز داشت طوری پیش می رفت که دو هفته بعد درست در چنین شبی، می توانستند پس از مراسم مزخرف عروس کشان، در خانه ای که همین الان کلیدش را از صاحب خانه تحویل گرفته بودند، اولین شب زندگی مشترک*شان را آغاز کنند.
دختر و پسر هیجان زده در کوچه های پائین شهر تهران، به آدرسی که روی کاغذ مچاله شده بود، نگاه می کردند واز کوچه ها رد می شدند. داشتند در مورد تعداد مهمان های عقد و عروسی، نوع غذا، اجاره لباس عروس و پیدا کردن آرایشگاه ارزان حرف می زدند.
کلید خانه در دست پسر جوان می چرخید و در سرش به دنبال راه حلی می*گشت برای زدن از سر وته مخارج و کم کردن قسط و قرض.
از نزدیک ترین مغازه به خانه، مواد شوینده و وسایل نظافت خریدند و مشتاقانه پلاک ها را پشت سر گذاشتند. کلید خانه در قفل در چرخید و دختر و پسر جوان بعد از چند لحظه برای اولین بار، در مکانی که هیچ کس آنها را نمی دید و کنترل نمی کرد، تنها بودند. وسایل نظافت از دستشان رها شد. خون به پیشانی و سر انگشتانشان دوید و گرمای عشق نفس*شان را به شماره انداخت. روزنامه ها شتابزده روی زمین پهن شدند.
فردای آن روز پسر جوان با اضطراب پشت در مطب دکتر قدم می زد. کلید خانه در دستش می چرخید و در سرش فکر جور کردن 200 هزار تومان بود و همین طور پشیمانی و عذاب وجدان و افکار بد دیگر که پس زمینه همه آنها تصویر مبهمی از چهره مادرش بود.
در مطب دکتر، دختر با چشمان پف کرده منتظر نوبت بود. از صبح که یک ماما به او گفته بود که پرده بکارتش پاره شده و پیشنهاد کرده بود که با دریافت مبلغ 200 هزار تومان شاید بتواند با لیزر ترمیمش کند، اشک چشمانش خشک نشده بود.
دختر هراسان وارد مطب دکتر شد. هنوز به جمله دوم نرسیده بود که به طرف تخت معاینه هدایت شد. دکترتقریبا هر روز دختران جوان هراسانی را می دید که با شرم "گناهشان" را شرح می دادند. او احتیاجی به تو ضیح بیشتر نداشت. همین چند روز پیش یک دختر گریان همراه مادرش (که داشت از حال می رفت) و دو زن خشن و ترشرو که خود را مادرشوهر و خواهر شوهر معرفی کرده بودند، برای بررسی بکارت دخترک مراجعه کرده بودند. دخترک در اتاق معاینه با التماس به دکتر گفته بود که آن*ها مدیر و ناظم مدرسه هستند. از نظر آن ها باکره نبودن دختر مساوی بود با اخراج او از مدرسه. آن ها با شنیدن صدای دختر که با دکتر حرف می زد، به شدت به او فحاشی کرده بودند. دختر کوچک تر از آن بود که ذهن مادر آمادگی مواجه شدن با چنین فاجعه ای را داشته باشد. از نظر مادر این روسیاهی و بدبختی بود. اخراج از مدرسه هم که آینده دخترک را به شیوه اسلامی رقم می زد. شاید یک دختر فراری دیگر داشت متولد می شد.
دکتر دلش برای این دختر هم می سوخت. با دقت شروع به معاینه کرد و نفس راحتی کشید. به دختر گفت خراش آنقدر سطحی است که پس از چند روز کاملا ترمیم خواهد شد و هر دکتری گواهی بکارت خواهد داد. دختر باور نمی کرد. دکتر برایش توضیح داد که آن خانم ماما کلاهبردار بوده و از شرایط او و جامعه سوء استفاده کرده است. به دختر قول داد که وقتی با مادر شوهرش بیاید، گواهی بکارت را خواهد داد.
دختر کمی آسوده خاطر شده بود ولی پسر اصرار داشت که به دکتر های دیگری هم مراجعه کنند. می خواست از عکس العمل دکترهای دیگر بعد ازمعاینه همسرش هم اطمینان حاصل کند، چرا که مطمئن بود مادرش قبل از خرید عقد، عروس را برای گرفتن گواهی بکارت نزد یک دکتر خواهد برد و کوچکترین تردیدی در چهره دکتر، موجب به هم خوردن ازدواج آن ها خواهد شد. مادر که به شدت مذهبی بود وخودش قبل ازعقد بیش از یک نظر شوهرش را ندیده بود، جایی برای تردید کردن باقی نمی گذاشت. این همه سخت گیری به نظر پسر مسخره می آمد واز فکر آن کلافه شده بود. کار به پزشکی قانونی می کشید. پزشکی قانونی هم که با آخرین تکنولوژی درخدمت خانواده ها است و مو را از ماست بیرون می کشد.
پسر نمی*توانست نافرمانی کند. او پس اندازی برای تهیه مخارج عقد و عروسی نداشت و خانواده دختر هم بدون برآورده شدن شرایطشان به این ازدواج رضایت نمی دادند. دختر و پسر گیج و خسته در کوچه های پائین شهر تهران، ر اه می رفتند. غمگین بودند. شرمنده بودند. دختر بغض کرده بود و می گفت انگار در دلم رخت می شویند.
کلید خانه دردست پسر جوان می چرخید و در سرش فکراین که بابت کدام گناه شرمنده اند.
پای شان به سوی خانه ای که قرار بود حدود دو هفته بعد، پس از مراسم عروس کشان زندگی مشترکشان را در آن آغاز کنند، کشیده نمی*شد. دردل دختر، رخت می شستند؛ در سر پسر، تصویر مبهم مادرش نیشخند می زد.
meysam_bache_bahal
09-05-2007, 08:56 AM
be yek nokteye kheili mohem bayad tavajoh kard,ke aslan sexe ghabl az ezdevaj dar dorane ghadim dar che joya donya mamuli bude? javabe in soal ineke dar urupa bedalile inke european people get older way faster than other people they choose to take more advantage of their short youthness.so its just like 2 cars that are driving in a highway one has only a few mintues to get to his work and might be late so he goes 80 miles an hour but the otherone has still 30 minutes but does he have to go 80 miles an hour also?
maryam9
09-05-2007, 11:10 AM
didnt understand what youre trying to say...
be yek nokteye kheili mohem bayad tavajoh kard,ke aslan sexe ghabl az ezdevaj dar dorane ghadim dar che joya donya mamuli bude? javabe in soal ineke dar urupa bedalile inke european people get older way faster than other people they choose to take more advantage of their short youthness.so its just like 2 cars that are driving in a highway one has only a few mintues to get to his work and might be late so he goes 80 miles an hour but the otherone has still 30 minutes but does he have to go 80 miles an hour also?
meysam_bache_bahal
09-05-2007, 05:02 PM
didnt understand what youre trying to say...
dear maryam i compared two people who are driving in a highway with two different kind of cultures.europeans because of the fact that they are very light and they become old very fast they tend to lose their virginity before marriage as they get married very late and by the time they are married if they are 34 they might look 42 or 43 which is considered as middle age and it was for this reason that middle eastern people(remember it depends on the culture if they r white like europeans and they r middle eastern they are familiar with alot of different cultures from middle east for thousands of years becuase they lived with different cultures and had alot of experiences and ups and downs with different culture and racesthroughout centuries) they tend to share the good and bad with each other because they have cousins and relatives and friends who are middle eastern looking so they really dont want to involve themselve with european culture the way other europeans do since europeans werent in contact with no culture other than european and they usually dont have noneuropean relatives so they dont follow the same path as white looking middle easterns do or most of half european/half middle easterns arent gonna be corrupted like that either cus they also have respect for their other part of their culture which is middle eastern.
gg666
09-06-2007, 05:05 AM
in masaleye Virginiti chizie ke age ejaze bedan har ki ye chiz vase goftan dare. ta 200 sal digeh ham fekr konam hamin harfo hadisa bashe. Tanha in zanao dokhtara hastan ke bayad fekre khodehoon bashan va be khatere inke virgin hastan ya na nazaran kasi beheshoon chap negah koneh.
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