Homosexuality [Archive] - Tapesh.Com an Iranian, Persian based Forum

Anonymous

01-15-2004, 05:48 AM

Listen here pal if you call urself iranian or a persian i am truly disgusted. Just because of the islamic regime - which isnt actuali islamic at all, islam is being abused - you loose your head and allow these shit western ideas to circle in your brain. How can any decent human being justify a gay relationship when it is blatantly going against nature and when it subverts God's will. I understand that as boys and girls reach puberty they may begin experiencing certain feelings but it is only in the west that these feelings are picked up on because of the culture here.An English boy may go to his father and confess he is feeling sexually attracted to boys - the father will then say well if your gay your gay it does not matter to me, me and your mum still love you. Whereas a correct persian would explain that this is perfectly normal to be having feelings and he would help his son to get out of the problem. I am not racist. i am not sexist but i am certainly homophobic. so if you are a ***** then do not dare to call your self a persian - attitudes like that are destroying the memory of persia. We are a distinguished race so be proud of your originalty - book your ideas up.

mahroz

01-16-2004, 09:12 AM

yeeeeeeeeee

Anonymous

01-20-2004, 01:20 AM

OKAY tha bullshit below was not me, thats just stupid to impersonate me.. so please don't just because i dont have a login name doesnt mean u can abuse my little forum discussion okay..... so dont

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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:30 am Post subject: hihihi

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hi u guys. i've moved now and i can accept three guys to come and stay with me!!!! please reply back if u're interested. i can't have more than three of you goofy honeys!

kisses, i love u all. peace love and pink gay - long live homosexuality "

Anonymous

03-05-2004, 05:23 PM

I just dont believe in gay relationships coz itz just not realistic for me to know a man could be in love with another man and i find it gross for a man to kiss another man. that's just my opinion about it and i hope i didn't affend by it.

Anonymous

03-31-2004, 02:03 AM

Well Im both disappointed yet unsurprised at your responses... I'm actually not gay- but, I just wanted to see how the persian community looks at people who are, especially since a lot of persian guys are bi or have had sex with another guy ..(Im a virgin- thank god) but anyways, its sad to see how primitive persians are with these ignorant answers, i mean I can understand if you disagree but you should worry about ur own grave and not judge anyone, because for sure you are the most sinful of all people. and I dont mean persians I mean humans in general...

But thansk for posting I like reading what everyone has to say- its interesting

+~*PersianSuga*~+

04-02-2004, 12:48 PM

I've really never seen gay Persians and to be honest I can't imagien they're some existin...Well I think if 2 people love each other and think they're meant to be they should be together...but I to be honest I don't like seeing gay couples kissin and lickin half their faces up right in the street or at McDonald's u know. Just because we'Re still living in a community where this is a delicate subject and you should be careful. But I can't stand those jackasses who discriminate them and call them names...And I've made the experience that lil kidz get confused after seein a gay couple...because it's not the way 'it should be'...u know not the way the nature...god chose to...But it's still ok when they keep their things private and stuff u know...when they don't get intimate outside.
And I don'T get why some of oyu are overdoin it...I mean I know it's not good for our culture and I don't know only one guy Persian vali maybe your Persian neighbour's gay but he's scared to admit it because of THOSE REACTIONS!

milli_chilli

04-17-2004, 02:38 AM

gay people?

hmmmmmmm......

onaham adaman dige :)

+~*PersianSuga*~+

04-17-2004, 01:24 PM

OMG of course they are!

ToXiC

04-20-2004, 06:46 AM

I just don´t get how 2 people with the same sex can fall iin love with each other :roll: !!! it´s smthing I´ll never get an answer on it!! it makes me sick just thinking about it!!! how in the hell can to people with the same sex fall in love with each other & live toghether as a couple!!!! :?: :roll: :?:

mahroz

04-20-2004, 09:51 AM

tazeh
vaisa zaman begzareh, ye karayeh vahshatnak tari ensan mikoneh!!!!

Nazanin

04-20-2004, 10:12 AM

Vallah

Anonymous

05-10-2004, 05:18 PM

dont wanna hurt nobodyz feelings or judge them when i aint in their shoes but u asked for our personal opinion so i'll give it 2 u

2 me the idea of 2 ppl with the same sex fallin in love is 2 over the top and not because i'm old fashioned or cant accept ppl who r open minded but even scientifcly it has been proven that there is no such thing as being attracted to the same sex its only for those who have certain hormon problems when they were born
so basicly those who like 2 sleep with other men r just some sick mother ****ers who have done anything and everything and dont know what 2 do anymore so they chose 2 live like animals!

eventhough thats my personal opinion I still know some gay ppl and even when i dont get what the hell their thinkin try 2 accept them cuz every1 should choose 2 live how they want and if this is wut gay ppl chose then b my guest!
love 2 all of ya'll persians
lets keep it real peace!

Nazanin

05-10-2004, 05:51 PM

Guest aziz, I agree w/ practically everything u said. Right on :wink:

ToXiC

05-11-2004, 02:03 AM

some1 I really agree with u! :wink:

donia_22

06-24-2004, 09:28 PM

ali be happy for what u are and just enjoy it as much as u can cuz all this is an expirances. nothing more if u are het same thing expirance :) :) and if someone cant understand it its ok cuz that were they are at this moment . maybe u should check this out go to www.trufax.org and read abit of the info there but if u need more info u need to buy the book and then u see the truth about gays.
i hope i help u talk soon cya
:) :D :wink:

Well Im both disappointed yet unsurprised at your responses... I'm actually not gay- but, I just wanted to see how the persian community looks at people who are, especially since a lot of persian guys are bi or have had sex with another guy ..(Im a virgin- thank god) but anyways, its sad to see how primitive persians are with these ignorant answers, i mean I can understand if you disagree but you should worry about ur own grave and not judge anyone, because for sure you are the most sinful of all people. and I dont mean persians I mean humans in general...

But thansk for posting I like reading what everyone has to say- its interesting

ToXiC

06-25-2004, 03:25 AM

honey in jarian ha male november 20, 2003 boode :wink: !

Anonymous

06-28-2004, 05:04 AM

i think its ok for them to be together because they love eachother. and for those of you who think its wrong or dont undrestand how people in the same sex can fell in love its because youre not gay and you dont know how it feels. i bet you wouldnt be saying those stuff if you were gay... its not there fault they are like that they were born that way.

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ToXiC

06-28-2004, 11:41 AM

they were NOT born that way :roll: !
they´re sick (in my oppinion) :| !

Lavand_Bandari

07-06-2004, 03:27 PM

eva tapesh jan???..lol volek khoo bogoo ba home and sexualiti..lol be zabone khozestani bood ..moshkeli nadari...lol

Anonymous

07-08-2004, 12:51 PM

I always wondered why Iranians are so backward; especially when 2500 years ago their civilization was better and more advanced than any other on earth. It it because they have accept the BS thoughts and philosphies of other idiots and evolved into a group of conservative religious-minded people. Back in the day when Iranians were discovering mathematics, sciences, writing poetry, and creating art they did not let the backward thoughts of others inhibit them nor did they let religion get in the way. Look at Omar Khayyam, an Iranian, mathematician, GREAT poet, astronomer, and philosopher all in one. He was a muslim but didn't give a damn what others thought, drinking, going out with women, and thinking for himself.
For me personally visualizing gays kissing and hugging is wrong and sick, being totally straight. But if other men want to be gay it is none of my business. Being gay is normal within a population. Unless your forced to behave gaily (like the Greeks did) people should have a choice. You, like me, may not be able to fully understand it but dont let lack of understanding inhibit you. For them visualizing a man and a woman making out is just as inunderstandable as for you thinking of a man and a man. For me being gay and having a union is not wrong for those who are naturally like that. However I do think gays adopting children is wrong.

Tapesh

07-08-2004, 02:08 PM

its not about visualizing, its a simple fact that god has created us humans to have MEN and WOMEN have contact with eachother and of it's reasons is to have childeren to be able to regenorate otherwise the human nation would upto now still be the Addam and Hava ... so from the start of human life it was ment to be guys and girls having sexual contact so why change gods way ?

also you are not forced to do anything in this century, so force is not an excuse, altough i have respect for everyone I don't seperate gays and normal people I just don't agree with their thinking of being gay,

Anonymous

07-09-2004, 02:08 PM

Sorry Tapesh I did not mean it to be just on visualizing. God has created the majority of us straight for a reason, yes. But some few he created gay. I am not gay but if others are to be gay that is their own business and has nothing to do with me. And don't worry about making kids, there are plenty of straight couples out there and not making kids is, of all things, not at all a problem with 6 billion and counting on this earth. I hardly think that gays can infest are populations and turn them gay, as a matter of statistics less than 10% in a given population are gay and that is purely biological. And I wouldn't be too sure about God hating all gays. Why doesn't he just kill them all or smite them, hey it wouldn't be the first time (Noah's flood). I personally dont know whether or not God has a view on homosexuality because I haven't talked to him but I wouldn't take the word of a preacher or a book as the ultimate reality. Another thing I want clarified is why religions frown on man-woman sexuality in normal circumstances and constrains there relationships with eachother calling lust evil yet when gayness enters the picture suddenly liking women is alright and normal for men.

Tapesh

07-09-2004, 02:34 PM

NOOO don't get me wrong, I DO NOT HATE humans for who they are or what they are .. no no no nooooo hate is something that I never have just wanna clear that up first

like I said being gay just means that you believe in a diferent things I mean I don't hate those who are not muslim because they believe in a different faith same thing applies to gays I don't hate them they are human, I just don't agree with their opinions in being gay, just like I don't believe in some faiths but I surly love those individuals with faiths that I don't believe in

to rap it up, its beliefes and opinions that I personally disagree not being who you are

Anonymous

07-10-2004, 01:48 PM

Okay Tapesh, so you don't necessarily agree with others opinions, that's cool 8) , no one does. But I'm just interested to know how you feel about that. Can you accept others who don't agree with your opinions. For example if there was a gay man living next to you, who stayed out of your business, and never did anything to offend you, keeping his love life private how would you feel? Could you accept him and his different beliefs, could you bring yourself to even be friends with him, or would you want him outta the picture? Do you agree with Voltaire's quote, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." And express it.

Tapesh

07-10-2004, 02:01 PM

like I said I don't mind them as long as they keep their actions away from me. and no I don't agree with that comment, because when I don't agree with something I don't stand behind it for supporting it, its like saying I don't like BUSH but I'll stand behind his words and support his goals :P I support what I agree with

peace

Anonymous

07-16-2004, 11:50 AM

People like PrinceAli and Iranian are the stupid idiots responsible for screwing up the world and particularly our country. Can't you retards understand that it is God's own words, delivered through Mohammed (peace be upon him) through Islam. Iran has a tradition of great Islamic faith that many are trying to distort. Gayz are stupid, nasty, and disgusting :evil: . And for your information ThEy not just born Gay they choose to be in a utterly sickening manner.

Allah Akbar
Allah Akbar

Anonymous

07-16-2004, 12:02 PM

Are you Iranian or Arab, Musalmon? I can't believe what you say about Islam, God, and Gays. Do you not know that the Arabs raped thousands of persians in Iraq turning the land Arab (SICK!!). They also forced Islam down upon the Iranian peoples by way of the sword and slaughtered many people, uprooting entire cultures. Of course Cyrus (Kurosh) the first Achaemenid (Hakhamaneshi) king was tolerant of all peoples of all cultures of all races. Meanwhile Muslims spread their religion and language by killing and bastadizing peoples. They even forced Iranians to speak Arabic and put tons of Arab words into modern day Farsi (Use to be Parsi but The AraBs didn'T like it becausE they CANT pronounce P's so they changed P to F :wink: ). After all these years of being slaughtered, having their rights taken away, beinng raped, offended, insulted, turned into slaves in their own land, and being stolen from I would have thought Iranians would have learnt a thing or two. I accept all peoples including Gays even though I am straight.

Vipshams

07-16-2004, 02:10 PM

HOMOSEXUALITY.:( :( :( :shock:

This is the word, I hate in my life. This is the thing, I hate in my life.
This is the people, who are homosexualists, I hate in my life.

Sincerely, Vipshams

Nazanin

07-16-2004, 08:52 PM

ThEy not just born Gay they choose to be in a utterly sickening manner.

I TOTALY agree w/ this.

Vipshams

07-16-2004, 09:50 PM

Yakta savolam bud??

Tarafi shumohonbayam HOMOSEXUALISTHO hastmi?? Boshad agar mulmi?? Davlat taqiq kardagimi nemi??

The question: Is there homosexualists in Iran? What amount? What is the government says about them??

Sincerely Shams

Nazanin

07-16-2004, 11:16 PM

The government HANGS them :lol: :?

ToXiC

07-17-2004, 06:37 AM

The government HANGS them :lol: :?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL farnaz!
vali aslan there aint any gays in IRAN!

ToXiC

07-17-2004, 06:38 AM

Yakta savolam bud??

Tarafi shumohonbayam HOMOSEXUALISTHO hastmi?? Boshad agar mulmi?? Davlat taqiq kardagimi nemi??

bebin kojayee harf mizani?

Nazanin

07-17-2004, 08:30 AM

vali aslan there aint any gays in IRAN!

WHAT??? Ain't no gays in Iran?? ToX, u were like 5 yrs old when u left Iran gorl, WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT??????!!!

Anonymous

07-17-2004, 01:43 PM

I don't see too much for being gay, but I don't hate them. All you relgio-bastards who say gays should be hanged should be hanged yourselves. As far as I see the only people violently killing are straight people, which sickens me more than homosexuality. Live and let love. As long as others aren't interfering with me I'll let it be. :wink:

Anonymous

07-17-2004, 01:51 PM

Anonymous

07-17-2004, 01:58 PM

I don't think your an, Iranian, Musalmon. First of all the Old-Iranian civilizations preached tolerance, more than your showing today. And how can you call the Arab invasion good. We're the ones with 93043284738320 years of civilization (well at least 12,000 years). And as long as the dick aint being pushed into my behind I really don't care. How can you advocate killing of other peoples, Musalmon? Let people be free.

Anonymous

07-17-2004, 02:00 PM

the only people violently killing are straight people, which sickens me more than homosexuality. Live and let love.
Your one of the most open minded people I've see post at this forum, ProudPersian. Thank you, at least I know all Iranians aren't hyper-religious freaks. :D

Anonymous

07-17-2004, 02:12 PM

The government HANGS them
I dislike homosexuality personally, but I let people be free as they are. To say that, Farnaz, absolutely shocks me, that you could openly accept the hanging and murder of other human beings :(

Nazanin

07-17-2004, 04:20 PM

What????? What the heck are u talking about??? ACCEPT?? Where in my reply did u see I ACCEPT????????
Man, I just hate ppl like u! U participate in a discussion & then u make whatever u want out of it!
Agar mikhai tooye discussion sherkat koni dorost sherkat kon! Don't come here & start making things up!
Whe're here to post replies to the topic in question, not twist other ppl's words around or making things up!

saraparsi

07-25-2004, 01:14 PM

but the government dus hang gay ppl, dnt they?

nanazz

07-27-2004, 06:09 PM

dear PROUD PERSIAN i agree w everything you said, i enjoyed ur view, positivity, openmindednes. and i am also proud to be persian and u r hamshahri. :D

ToXiC

07-28-2004, 03:47 AM

and i am also proud to be persian and u r hamshahri. :D

omg nakone to ham joonoobi :shock: ?

Nazanin

07-28-2004, 07:07 AM

ToX, nemigan "nakone to ham JONOOBI", it's as if u're saying "nakone to ham SOUTH".
Bayad begi "nakone to ham jonoobi HASTI" :)

ToXiC

07-28-2004, 08:14 AM

ToX, nemigan "nakone to ham JONOOBI", it's as if u're saying "nakone to ham SOUTH".
Bayad begi "nakone to ham jonoobi HASTI" :)

:oops:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ nakone to ham south!

Nazanin

07-28-2004, 08:40 AM

nanazz

07-28-2004, 12:48 PM

toxic joon, na aziz man southi nistam, etefaghan eine khodet bache nafe tehroon, ba yek moooyrage turk :supz:

Nazanin

07-28-2004, 01:02 PM

dear PROUD PERSIAN i agree w everything you said, i enjoyed ur view, positivity, openmindednes. and i am also proud to be persian and u r hamshahri. :D

Man nafahmidam manzoor ba ki bood :D

nanazz

07-28-2004, 01:25 PM

dear farnaz, myy reply was to a guest called proudpersian from i think jul.17 . the last page.

Nazanin

07-28-2004, 01:30 PM

Aha, ok :D

ToXiC

07-29-2004, 05:46 AM

toxic joon, na aziz man southi nistam, etefaghan eine khodet bache nafe tehroon, ba yek moooyrage turk :supz:

:supz:

donia_22

08-11-2004, 06:48 PM

Hey ProudPersian, shut the hell up. Gays should dammn well BE HANGED. As for the Arab invasion of Iran, that was one of the few moments of light in Iranian history. They educated us retarded Iranians on GOd, and religion. Cyrus and those old-Iranian Bastards suck. Zoroaster was also a retard and probablY a FaG. Mohammed is mush better (At leAst he did not advocate stiocking your * up another man'S BehInd). Oh and yes I do have a very small Arab bloodline connecting me to Mohammed (I'm Sayeed 8) )

Hang the Gays
Allah Akbar

who gave u the right to talk to anyone like that???? we all here to expirance evrything that our spirit wants then we all gona leave this world and go home. nd no there is no haven or hell. i dont belive in any religion. there is no god its all lie. have u ask ur self why u here and where u going when u die. have u asked ur self why there is so many religions? why there is just hell and heaven and nothing in between no balance. whos controling u and this world why they they keep says do as we told not as we do???? ask ur self and ur spirit will give u the answer. www.trufax.org.

Bahar1986

08-13-2004, 08:33 AM

i think if two person are in love they should be together
but for gay's i mean how make a person to feel like that?

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well..... how does a girl and a guy fall in love? Its chemicals and emotions in the body right? so you don't have control over it.....

khodet gay hasti ke enghdr khub az injaryan miduni :?: :?: :?:

donia_22

08-14-2004, 06:32 AM

may be u should ask gay person how they fell in love. i think is the same. and hey they dont com and ask u why u in love with guy or girl so why dont u let them do what they want and u do what u want. evryone can make their own mind for evrything!!!!! :P
and stop trying to change it cuz u cant :P

Nazanin

08-14-2004, 10:10 AM

Gay ppl are SICK individuals & the less u see of them the BETTER.

donia_22

08-14-2004, 08:16 PM

Anonymous

08-22-2004, 04:17 PM

Finally some open-minded ppl like nanazz and donia_22. IT's refreshing to read some nicer comments :D :D

Anonymous

08-23-2004, 11:08 AM

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donia_22

08-23-2004, 07:58 PM

:roll:

shirazi girrrl

08-27-2004, 11:50 AM

I don't want to be rude or ignorant, but gay people in my opinion is disgusting, but to be honest, I think Lesbians gross me out even more, 2 see to woman kissing eachother just makes me want to barf, I can't stand it, but gay guys really gross me out 2. Their r soo many of them today. Ewww :? :?

Anonymous

08-28-2004, 07:27 PM

[Shirazi girrl wrote:]I don't want to be rude or ignorant, but gay people in my opinion is disgusting, but to be honest, I think Lesbians gross me out even more, 2 see to woman kissing eachother just makes me want to barf, I can't stand it, but gay guys really gross me out 2. Their r soo many of them today. Ewww [/quote]

You are not ignorant nor rude. Everything you say is correct. And why did you guys edit my comment :evil: . What about those starkly anti-religous comments, didn't cut none of 'em :!:

Allah Akabar

Anonymous

08-28-2004, 07:37 PM

Two girls or guys making out may seem sick to you, Shirazi, but what do you think a guy and a girl making out is like to them? In the end it's all pointless, I say let gays do what they want, and you do whatever, as long as it is nothing psycho (pedophiling, rape, etc.). Another thing I do not understand is how religious people like Musalmon can comment on sick gays are and not talk about all those who cause homosexuals injustices. Is not just as bad to be mean like that. Gays in today's world are under a lot of pressure :( .

Anonymous

08-28-2004, 07:42 PM

I do not advocate intentionally harming gay ppl. But if you are following Allah's path it is crucial to keep your distance from them. True, you should be kind, but to other muslims mostly. I guess Christians and Jews. Though not the misled, fireworshipping Zoroastrians. But like Farnaz said the less you see of them the better. Some of the stuff you say PP is totally sick :smt017 .

Allah Akbar :prayer:

shirazi girrrl

08-28-2004, 10:50 PM

Yeah, but I don't think a guy and a girl making out is that gross 2 them cuz, (it's normal), but I guess u could be right, But, I still don't think It's right. :|

Anonymous

09-09-2004, 05:28 PM

You know, I have never ever been so ashamed to be Iranian!! How can you people talk like this? Who cares if someone is Gay, Straight..or whatever? We are ALL human beings. If I love a Man and not a woman, does that make me evil? Are you telling me that the sick corrupt people who are in control of our beloved country are in any way better than a gay human being?

To all of you haters, first of all...before you start making ignorant remarks..why don't you meet some gay and lesbian people before you judge them. Second, don't just base your ideas on what you hear and read and watch on TV. If we were to just listen to what is being said by TV and not see things for ourselves, we would thing that all Iranians are Terrorists that want to destroy the world..is that true? hell no!!!!

I'm gay and totally proud of it. I don't hate anyone and accept everyone for who they are. What has a gay person done to any of you to deserve these horrible things? You really thing killing a person because they are gay or lesbian is right? You call yourselves human beings? You know not to long ago people said the same exact thing about black people. Is that right? Do you remember after sept. 11th? When Muslims were attacked? Is that right? To the idiot american who couldn't tell the difference between a sikh and a muslim, they thought anyone wearing a turban was muslim. Do you guys remember all the mosques that were vandelized? Was that right? NO!! Ignorance is Ignorance no matter who or what it is directed to.

I never chose to be gay. Why the hell would I want to be hated? Why would anyone choose that? Oh, and by the way...there is no way gay people flaunt their sexuality more than straight people. Instead of just following the same old garbage that you have been tought...why don't you all go out into the world yourselves and see what gay life and gay people are truly like. It is NOTHING like what you hear and see. There are TONS of gay people in Iran. And they are good and decent human beings.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves. If you call yourself a good muslim, a good human, and a decent person...you would never wish anyone any harm and accept them for who they are. The problem with our "culture" isn't gay people...it's the idiotic backwards thinking that has brought us here.

Nazanin

09-09-2004, 05:48 PM

If I love a Man and not a woman, does that make me evil?

No, that makes u SICK

Anonymous

09-09-2004, 08:24 PM

And that comment makes you ignorant. I really feel bad for you.

Cop

09-09-2004, 08:33 PM

Anonymous

09-10-2004, 06:29 AM

Thank you Cop!! :D

It's good to know that there are at least some people out there that are not closed minded and ignorant. I really do feel sorry for Farnaz. I don't know how she was raised or what kind of environment she grew up in, so I can't make any kind of comment in that reguard. It is really sad when people just make comments and they don't realize how hurtful they can be.

I just wonder how she would react if someone told her she was Sick, or a terrorist just because she is Iranian. Feeling hate from people is a horrible thing and I don't wish it on anyone.

To everyone else here, as long as you respect me...I will answer any questions that you may have....as long as they are respectful....

Nazanin

09-10-2004, 06:51 AM

I really do feel sorry for Farnaz. I don't know how she was raised or what kind of environment she grew up in, so I can't make any kind of comment in that reguard.

I can CERTAINLY tell what kind of environment U were raised in & I can DEFINATELY make any comment in that regard.

P.S. The only person u should feel sorry about is URSELF. Why? Because u're GAY.

Anonymous

09-10-2004, 09:40 AM

Oh really? Please tell me...what kind of Environment was I raised in? I would love to know.

I have never felt sorry for myself. Why should I? I am a good person. I don't harm others. I don't judge others. I help people whenever I can. I've never hurt or caused pain in anyones life nor have I wished them any ill will.

You on the other hand spew vile words and judge people without even seeing how they are really like. Why do I feel like I'm talking to a 10 year old?

Nazanin

09-10-2004, 10:05 AM

Oh really?Why do I feel like I'm talking to a 10 year old?

U're GAY, it doesn't matter how u feel.

Anonymous

09-10-2004, 10:16 AM

Ok..and with that intelligent remark, you pretty much made my point.

saba_s

09-10-2004, 11:20 AM

PROUD_GAY_IRANIAN! be nazare man gay ha jozve adama nisan. doros mese inan ke adama beran ba heyvoona zendegio hal konan va age injoori bood ke marda ba marda va zana ba zana mitoonesan beran ke khoda adamo vasash ye jofte mard miafarid :roll: :roll: :evil: :evil: :evil: :|

Anonymous

09-10-2004, 11:31 AM

Saba_S, are you kidding me?? You think that someone who is gay, is just like someone who wants to have sex with animals? WHAT??

Honestly, where do you people come up with these things?

You sound exactly like the people who said that Black and White people should never marry with or be with each other!!

First of all...being gay is not just about sex. Do you define your entire existnace by the fact that you like to have sex? I hope not.

There is nothing wrong with one human being being in love with another human being, no matter what sex.

How can you say that gay people "jozveh adamha neestan"!!! We are human beings just like you are, we bleed like you do...we have family and care for people just like you. Who are you to decide who is "aadam" and who isn't?

Have you met any gay people in your life? Or do you just say things because that is what you are told? Before you make remarks like this, you should meet and talk to some gay people. Why do I even bother... :roll:

saba_s

09-10-2004, 12:47 PM

asan hame ye oon harfayi ke gofty ghabool vali ino bedoon ke man khodam adamaye gay ro mishnasam chon in ye sal ye proje tooye madresam bood ke kheily tahghigh kardam va ba gay haye tooye madrese va oonayi ke oona mishnakhtan sohbat kardam so i know alot about gays may b nemidoonam ke che ehsasi daran chon man jaye oona nisan vali ino midoonam va mibinam ke mard ba mard va zan ba zan jozve real nature nis ye chize ekhtera shodas ye chize sakhtegie , i just think that the gay ppl are not normal that' s all cuz oona mikhan be khodeshoon beghaboolan ke masalan asheghe haman vali man yeki inja nemifamam ke eshghe beine mard va mard az koja oomade , what about the real love what about married what about childeren ????????

vali akhar migam ke man be oona kary nadaram inja ke azadan oona ham be man kary nadaran vali dar kol vase man addi be nazar nemian , i realy realy wonder about them :shock: :roll: :?:

Nazanin

09-10-2004, 12:57 PM

Saba, VAGHEAN haal kardam ba harfat. Khodaeesh asan fekresho nemikardam ba in senne kamet inghadr aghelane harf bezani. Barekalla :wink:

saba_s

09-10-2004, 01:00 PM

:oops: :oops: :oops: meghsi

Nazanin

09-10-2004, 01:04 PM

ino midoonam va mibinam ke mard ba mard va zan ba zan jozve real nature nis ye chize ekhtera shodas ye chize sakhtegie , i just think that the gay ppl are not normal

Khodaeesh no one could've put it better than this.

saba_s

09-10-2004, 01:32 PM

:lol: 8) looooooooooooool

jeddi age az nazare elmi negah kony na az nazare manavi, hamin joori ham has, vaghean nemidoonam ke che ehsasi dare mard ba mard va zan ba zan ba haùm bashan shayad khodeshoon khosheshoon miad vali man ke vaghty mibinam ke oona daran ba ham boos mikonan ya ... vaghean vasam chendesh avare ](*,) #-o :toimonst: :vom: :smt078 :roll:

Anonymous

09-10-2004, 01:46 PM

Saba_S, ok..so you did "research" about gay people. Are you friends with any?

As far as nature goes, yes you are correct. In nature, male and female need to get together to have children. But if you research, even in nature there is homosexuality in animals. This is a natural thing. In the end, we are also a part of nature. Homosexuality exists in about 10% of nature, that being human beings or animals. I'm not making this up, it is well documented.

Gay people are just as "Normal" as everybody else. I bet you are know many gay people...but you just don't know they are gay. How would you react if a brother or sister was gay? Would you all of a sudden thing they are wierd?

Once again, why do you think that gay people are selfish and just want to have sex with each other. You can only have sex for so long...REAL LOVE exists between HUMAN BEINGS. No matter what sex!!!

You need to be friends with gay people, you can't just interview them. They are not going to show you their true emotions and tell you how they really feel. How would you like it if a complete stranger started asking you about your life and all of the things you have gone through? Would you be %100 open with them? What are you afraid of...we are all people. You are still young...you'll see. Just have an open mind and don't judge....remember...there are people who will judge you for being Iranian. Is that right? Wouldn't you ask them to get to know you first before they judge you? Think about it....

Brain-Works

09-10-2004, 02:40 PM

EDITED BY MOD

I´ll be with you "PROUD_GAY_IRANIAN!!"

No one can choose "oh tomorrow im gay and the other they im "normal"
Sorry for my english, i can´t speak very good.
This is in our "genes" (gen) and knowone can change this.

MOD NOTE: IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY DISCUSSION YOU DO IT WITH THE USE OF PROPER LANGUAGE AND YOU WILL CERTAINLY NOT INSULT ANY RELIGION OR GOD!

mahroz

09-11-2004, 08:33 AM

migam aghayeh guest to gay hasti?
mishe ye zareh darbarieh ehsasat be ma begi :oops:

Anonymous

09-11-2004, 10:31 AM

Hi
i just want to give my opinion about homosexuality.
I myself am NOT gay and proud not to be,but it outrages me to see people always complain about other people,weither they are black,white,tall,small,gay,straight.

To all those people saying things like gay people are not normal and they're sick:

If you're not gay,then be happy...stop insulting everyone for who they are.

Do you really think we,as iranians are perfect?We have to learn to ACCEPT CHANGES...

1000 years ago a man that thought that the earth is round was called an idiot and was jailed...why?
because people we're simply ignorant and had a lot to learn.They refused to accept this theory because it was "anti religious"

homosexuality is almost the same thing,a person doesn't BECOME homosexual,a person is BORN homosexual..its genetic,its in your mind,its instinct.It's like saying a retarded person is sick and should die because he is not like everyone else. Human beings learn every single day,we evolve..

in a 100 years,people will probably look back at history and say:

in the years ~2000,people thought that homosexuals we're sick..
they will probably laugh at us the same way we laugh at the way of thinking of people of 200 years ago...

most of iranians are like arabs,they don't want to accept reality..they just say what they heard...thats it,thats all.
like Stalin said: The stupidity of arab people has no limits!

why?because arab people don't want to accept the SCIENCE side of life,the reality,the things we discovered...
they still live like 1000 years ago.

Thanks for reading

saba_s

09-11-2004, 10:49 AM

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

saba_s

09-11-2004, 04:14 PM

migam aghayeh guest to gay hasti?
mishe ye zareh darbarieh ehsasat be ma begi :oops:

mahroooooooozzzzzzzzzz :shock: :shock: :shock:

Nazanin

09-11-2004, 04:46 PM

migam aghayeh guest to gay hasti?
mishe ye zareh darbarieh ehsasat be ma begi :oops:

mahroooooooozzzzzzzzzz :shock: :shock: :shock:

:lol: Saba joon, Mahroz khole azize delam

saba_s

09-11-2004, 04:53 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Anonymous

09-11-2004, 10:42 PM

satyre35, THANK YOU!!! You are one of the very few people here that thinks before they speak. Thank you for being a honest to goodness true HUMAN BEING!! If the world were more of people like yourself, we would all be living in much better times!

And Mahroz, yes I am gay. But before that I am a human being that deserves respect. I will answer any questions you may have as long as you treat me that way.

ToXiC

09-12-2004, 10:57 AM

If I love a Man and not a woman, does that make me evil?

No, that makes u SICK

exactly

Anonymous

09-13-2004, 06:23 AM

Ok, Farnaz...so what does that do for you? Because there are other people on this forum as closed minded and cruel as you, that makes your backwards ignorant remarks valid?

You honestly have no clue how ignorant you sound. You are just as bad as those siuck Mullahs in Iran who will kill or torture a teenager for going out with his or her friends, and then defend their actions by hiding behind religion. I would love to know what made you and others here gather so much hatered for other human beings, just because they are different than you are. If you are mature enough, please give me a real answer. Not some childish remark like I am sick, or an animal or something stupid like that. You have no basis for your hateful and degrading comments.

Nazanin

09-13-2004, 07:18 AM

Bebin, u seriously need to go get urself a life. Instead of spending ur time trying to "promote" homosexuality go out & get urself a life.
It makes me SICK just replying to u.

Anonymous

09-13-2004, 08:03 AM

Bebin, u seriously need to go get urself a life. Instead of spending ur time trying to "promote" homosexuality go out & get urself a life.
It makes me SICK just replying to u.

and ur the moderator of this site???? :shock:
kheyli koocheek fekr mikoni, who the hell r we to judge ppl

Anonymous

09-13-2004, 10:05 AM

My dear, I have a life. You need to learn what it's like to get along with people and not judge them!! You are the one in need of a life...a more generous and open minded one!! I am not "promoting" anything. I'm defending myself and others like me from the hatred and ignorance you are spewing!! I have a right to do that. I'm sure if someone started saying ignorant things about Iranians, you would defend yourself as well. What would you say to someone who would tell you to get a life and stop promoting Persians!! Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it!! You really need to think before you say things, your actions have consequences.

And the guest was correct...you are supposed to be a moderator, not a dictator!!!

mahroz

09-14-2004, 02:06 PM

mishe ehsasetono darbarieh marda begid?
az kei fahmidid in ehsasat dar shoma vojod dareh?

Anonymous

09-15-2004, 06:51 AM

I'll be happy to answer your questions Mahroz. :D

Well I've always liked Men as long as I can remember. When I was younger I really didn't understand it...I always focused on guys on TV and in magazines. I even had this crush on a boy when I was in 4th grade! I really didn't know what it meant back then.

When I got into highschool I started dating girls, I did it because I thought that once I started going out with girls all my feeling for guys would go away. But it didn't happen. I had a few girlfriends but it never worked out. I didn't really do anything with guys until I was 26. I was so afraid of what others would think of me. I was really afraid of hurting my family the most. Being Iranian, I thought that it would destroy my mother and my family would turn their back on me. Luckily that was not the case. My mother is OK with it, and my family loves me for who I am..not for who I sleep with.

I actually became really depressed in my early 20's. I didn't know what to do. And I didn't know if there were any Gay Iranians out there!! I always thought I was the only one!! I was so wrong!! Once I met a few gay Iranians, my life totally changed. I became more self confident and my depression went away.

I really don't know why I am more attracted to men than women. It's not like I woke up one day and decided to go out with men. Believe me, I tried so hard to like women. I even asked my mom once if she knew any nice Iranian girls I could date and marry!! Thank god that never happened!! I would have ended up hurting an innocent girl and possibly destroying her life!! My life still isn't that simple. I'm sure you know that Iranian culture really pressures guys to get married. I get asked all the time from my parents friends and a few family members that don't know about me why I am not married yet. Also, as you can see right here...in the Iranian community there are still some backwards thinkers out there who judge you mainly on the fact that you are gay. It really does hurt sometimes, but I am greatfull that I have friends and family that love me.

As far as my feelings for men go....I just can't explain it. It is what it is. All I know is that I did not choose to be this way. If I knew that there was a potion I could take that would make me like women, I would take it right now. Not because I think that being gay is wrong, but because being gay is not an easy life. It's a life filled with people who hate you and judge you. No one would choose to be gay. But I am comfortable with who I am and I am proud of it. I have come to accept it and all I can hope is that people accept me.

I hope that I answered your questions...let me know if you have any more. :D

Cop

09-15-2004, 09:52 AM

evaaaaaaaaa Gay jooooon ... ye gay mishnasam inja architecture mikhone Canadian hast enghaddddde jigarrrrrrrre ke nagoooooooo :lol: bande khoda taze az doost pesaresh joda shode break up kardan :cry: :cry: mikhay bahash date bezar ;) albate age to alan bf nadari :D

saba_s

09-15-2004, 10:02 AM

lllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolll @ cop :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 WTF?????????????? :shock: :shock: :shock:

:roll:

Anonymous

09-15-2004, 11:03 AM

Umm...COP, I don't know weather to be offended or flattered. First of all I don't talk like that.....I don't sound like mooshy from Italia Italia. If you met me you would never even think I'm gay. I'm as masculine as it gets. So don't make it sound like I'm a "evah khahar" please.

Second....I live on the east coast...and don't want to date anyone right now. Thanks.

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 01:18 AM

hey im very happy for you. check this web site out its trufax.org. and it has som information about it but u have to buythge book to find out more about ur self. do u live in iran?

Umm...COP, I don't know weather to be offended or flattered. First of all I don't talk like that.....I don't sound like mooshy from Italia Italia. If you met me you would never even think I'm gay. I'm as masculine as it gets. So don't make it sound like I'm a "evah khahar" please.

Second....I live on the east coast...and don't want to date anyone right now. Thanks.

ToXiC

09-16-2004, 03:30 AM

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Cop that was endesh bekhoda :lol: !

mano begoo ke vaght gozashtam bebinam in chi mige, akharesh ham i felt badjoori sick!!!

just the way he talks........eeuw!!!

OMG I just can´t belive this, just how proud he is...eeuw, age man jayee in boodam inja ke omran nemioomadam, miraftam too otagh khodamo lock mikardam dige ham biroon nemioomadam!

Age gharar bood az aval ke mens like men and womans like woman, khoda az aval beja Adam & Eve........... Adam & Adam ya Eve & Eve dorost mikard!

Dear guest or what ever ke esmete, I really feel sorry for you, bekhoda age enghadr proud naboodi shayad adam bishtar azat khoshesh mioomad vali vaghti injoori My mother is OK with it, and my family loves me for who I am..not for who I sleep with.
harf mizani badjoori miri too nerve adam!

Gay people momkene ke adam hayee khoobi bashan in general, but that hichi vaght make them normal nemikone!

p.s. hame inja free hastan to tell their nazar, chon farnaz inja moderatore dalil nemishe ke shut her mouth kone and hichi nage!!!

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 05:59 AM

Toxic & Guest...until you have lived in my shoes you have no right to judge me or any one else for that matter. You are all entitled to your opinions, yes...we are all free. But just because you have an opinion of something, does not make it right or correct. What about the opinion of many Americans that the US gov't should just drop a nuke on Iran and get rid of all the "terrorists". Is that right?

Stop and think before you just say stuff. I don't need to read a website to find out about myself. I know who I am and that there is NOTHING wrong with me. If anything, there is something wrong with people who judge and hate others just because they are different than they are.

Toxic, you don't have to feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for yourself for being so ignorant. "kallat booyeh ghormeh sabzy meedeh". You can't believe how proud I am?? WTF is that supposed to mean? I'm proud of the fact that I am a human being who happens to be gay? I can't defend myself against all the horrible things that everyone says about gay people here? Some people think that all Iranians are terrorists, are you not proud that you are Iranian? Would you not defend yourself? Maybe you should go lock yourself in a room and hide when someone calls you a terrorist next time!! The only reason I would lock myself in a room is to get away from ignorant people such as yourself. Trust me when I tell you that your thoughts and Ideas are in the minority. I can't believe how ignorant and backwards you people are!!!

You are telling me that I should be ashamed that my family loves me for me? What kind of backwards stupid comment is that? How the hell does that comment get on your nerves? Who the hell chose you to be the person who decides what is normal? To some people YOU are not normal, your thinking is waaaaay not normal.

What do all of you people have against homosexuality? Don't just spew some ignorant remark like "It's just wrong", or "God doesn't like it". THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IGNORANT MULLAHS SAY ABOUT OUR FREEDOMS IN IRAN!!!! Think about how pissed off all of you get when you hear some idiot mullah say that young people can't be free to express themselves...they say that "It is against the will of God". It really is a shame that young people like you think like this. You are the ones that are supposed to change the world for the better...but all you can spew is hatred an ignorance.

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 07:21 AM

Nazanin

09-16-2004, 07:23 AM

You are the ones that are supposed to change the world for the better...but all you can spew is hatred an ignorance.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ToX, this is the reason why it's nothing BUT a waste of time to talk to gays.
Taraf barmigarde hamchin harfi mizane:
" Young ppl are the ones who are supposed to change the world for the better ". In other words began ke are, hamjensbaz boodan is NORMAL & there's absolutely nothing wrong w/ it... So disgustingly shameful.

Nazanin

09-16-2004, 07:47 AM

You know...about 50 years ago that same exact comment was used when Black people wanted to be treated equally. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS NORMAL!!!!

There is NOTHING wrong with being gay.

There is ALOT wrong with being ignorant and hateful.

Grow up. Go and crawl back under the rock you came from.

PROUD_GAY_PERSIAN, u've been repeating the EXACT same thing in every single one of ur posts, harfat tekrari shodan, fekr nakonam chize dige dashte bashi ezafe koni.

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 07:54 AM

well people iam gay too, and thee so many other iranians are gay and hiding it.

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 08:01 AM

Farnaz...umm..well...You are saying the EXACT same thing as well.

What else am I supposed to say to the Igorant remaks you make?

"Oh, farzaz...I think you are so right when you say that I am a sick person!!!"

"You are wise beyond your years!!"

What other smart and ensightful things do you have to add to the discussion except that fact that I am sick, shameful, or make fun of me?

At least I try to talk about myself and where I come from. And what do I get in return? The crap that all of you spew....

The only way to respond to idiotic remarks is to tell you what they truly are and that is IDOITIC, IGNORANT, CHILDISH, and HATEFUL!!!

mahroz

09-16-2004, 08:24 AM

farnazo toxic vagan keeeee bas konid in karharo

persian proud gay mer30 az inek javabeh solamo dadid

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 09:00 AM

You are welcom Mahroz :D

saba_s

09-16-2004, 10:38 AM

mahroz jan khoob mishi nane

mahroz

09-16-2004, 12:53 PM

i mean come on u guys,
if he is gay that doesn't mean that u have to make fun of him.

i know it's sick and not normal but they can't do nothing about it,

hormonayeh badanesh hastesh

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 01:07 PM

Mahroz...you know...I really thought you were one of the people here who was open minded

i know it's sick and not normal but they can't do nothing about it,

with a comment like that you are just as bad!! The way you are saying that it sounds like you are agreeing with them that I am a sick an messed up person. Who has the right to say that it's not normal. Normal from what? My idea? Your Idea? The world? God? Aliens?

Instead of saying that you know it's sick and not normal, you should say that it's not how you feel or like.

To say that something is sick and not normal only validates their ignorance.

I know you mean well though....so thanks....

mahroz

09-16-2004, 01:12 PM

well sorry

az dahanam pardi chon hame injori fekr mikonan, ama man bad az khondaneh javabeh soalam ke neveshti fahmdam ke dasteh khodeton nist, hormonayeh badanetonoe

Nazanin

09-16-2004, 01:13 PM

Mahroz, 2 500 ta ghalate emlaee dashti bisavad, biya mese adam benevis bebinim chi gofti :lol:

Nazanin

09-16-2004, 01:15 PM

well sorry

az dahnam pardi chon hame injori fekr mikonan

Badesham toee ke hanooz ino nemidooni ke adam nabayad harfaye digarano tekrar kone UNLESS khodesh bahashoon ham-aghidas asan chera reply mikoni mofoo? Chand sal dige (ye 13 sal dige) ke bozorgtar shodi biya reply kon :D

Anonymous

09-16-2004, 01:48 PM

Mahroz...I totally understand that is the way you think. And I respect that. Homosexuality is not for you. Why should it be? It's not in your homones as you said yourself.

I'm glad you understand that it's not something I choose. But the thing you need to realize that even if it was something I chose....it does not mean I am a sick or bad person. Oh and the fact that I am gay does not make me any less of a person than anyone else. Being gay is just another genetic trait. Like eye color or hair color. That's it. Nothing else. It doesn't make me any different from you or farnaz.

If we were to think like Farnaz does, then people with different eye colors and hair are also sick people!!!

saba_s

09-16-2004, 01:53 PM

:shock: but you are realy sick honey realy realy sick
khoda shafat bede :shock: :shock: :shock:

Nazanin

09-16-2004, 01:54 PM

If we were to think like Farnaz does, then people with different eye colors and hair are also sick people!!!

Harf az in maskharetar nashnidam ta hala. Khejalat dare.

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 05:59 AM

Farnaz why are you surprised by what I said? Eye Color, Hair Color, Skin Color, and Homosexuality are all genetic traits. No one can choose to be born with A specific eye color, or skin color. Hopefully you know that by now. Homosexuality is the same thing. No one chooses to be gay, it is what you are born with. I certainly didn't choose it.

So basically, you are calling me sick because of a genetic trait that I have that is different than yours. Racism is the same thing by the way, white people hated black people simply because of the color of their skin!!! It sounds horrible today, but that is the truth. How long did it take for us to realize that black and white people are no different from each other.

Your beliefs are no different. So if we were to go by the way you think, people with different eye colors or hair colors are better than another person simply because they have different genetic traits.

I know you are young, and that you haven't had too much life experiance..but use your brain. You and people like Saba_S have this irrational hatred and fear of gay people. It really is a shame that people like you are going to get older and be asked to be productive members of society.

The funny thing is that all you are going to do is reply with some asanine and stupid remark instead of something worthwhile. Oh well...what can you expect from children......

Nazanin

09-17-2004, 06:54 AM

I know you are young, and that you haven't had too much life experiance..but use your brain.

looool az brainam estefade konam ke begam ppl like U are normal?
That u're not disgustingly sick? To khodet normal nisti bad dari be 1 nafar dige darbareye normal boodan harf mizani? Funny.

Nazanin

09-17-2004, 06:57 AM

what can you expect from children

Toee ke masalan vase khodet BOZORG shodi, "MARDI" shodi (mard is not the right term but anyway) chi azat daroomad? Yeah... That's right.

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 08:05 AM

Gays are born gay they 'don't choose to be gay.
Why should someone choose to be gay when there is so much hatred and discrimination against them?
I agree with ProudPersian and i am so glad to see that there are SOME open minded iranian people here.
We should accept people as they are as long as they are not doing any harm to others.

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 08:52 AM

Thank you Irani!!! Glad to see another person here who actually uses their brain before they say something!

No one change being gay anymore they can change their skin color. And to descriminate and hate someone because of that is the most inhuman and ignorant thing a person can do.

I love the fact that people justify their actions and ideas simply on the basis of what they have been told or led to believe. They don't go out into the real world and see what things are really like. Time and time again I bring up the example of americans being ignorant to middle easterners and how it is basically the same behavior and ignorance on how people here are towards gay people, but no one seems to grasp that fact.

They just think its "Icky" or "sick" and act like children and say "eeeww you are sick and bad". All you can do is insult....never bring anything to the discussion. NO ONE EVER TOLD YOU TO CHANGE YOUR SEXUAL PREFERANCE!!!! JUST RESPECT OTHERS FOR WHO THEY ARE!!!! AND DON'T JUDGE!!!

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 09:51 AM

EDITED BY MOD

MOD NOTE: THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, NOT RELIGION.

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 10:43 AM

EDITED BY MOD

THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT I'M WARNING YOU THAT THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, NOT RELIGION.

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 11:27 AM

OK, mod...you are just being childish. This is crazy. What is your problem? why won't you let people express themselves? You just deleted 3 postings and an entire new post!!! Are you kidding me????

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 11:35 AM

MOD NOTE: YOU ARE GOING IN THE BLOCK LIST SWEETY :wink:

Tapesh

09-17-2004, 01:44 PM

Guys I UNLOCKED this topic, you are definatly free to say what you wanna say but NO swears, NO direct insults other than I would have to LOCK it again

plz keep it COOL

thanks

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 02:10 PM

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! I am glad that someone here is an adult!!

Cop

09-17-2004, 02:13 PM

ok man faghat ye soal daram chera 100 sale pish injor nabood? chera gay o injora nabood ?? midonid chera? chon on zaman in tablighato in chiza nabod ke adam ye khorde fekr kone ke are man ehsasam bishtar tarafe mardast pas man gay hastamo miram tarafe marda!! in zamoone injor shode tablighat ba'es mishe ke ye shakhs vaghe'an GAY beshe! dar hali ke mitone gay nabashe!!!!! felan bayadberam bad miam bahs konim :D

iman

09-17-2004, 02:25 PM

cop na .. 100 sal pish ham boodeh vali nemifahmidan gay hastan lol

mage tahala qazvin narafti pesar?

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 04:05 PM

That Qazvin joke aside....

Iman is correct. Gay people have been around since recorded history. During the roman times homosexuality was widely accepted. Many of human histories most famous artists and conquerours have been gay. The stigma of homosexuality has grown over time.

The reason you hear more about gay people today is that these stigmas are finally being broken. 100 years ago, being gay was basically a death sentence. If not death, then total banishment from society. So if a person was gay, they would dare not mention it. They would live their lives miserable and try to fit into "society" the best that they could. They would even marry and have childern, but would most certainly live double lives.

Once again you fail to realize that being gay is not something that someone chooses. It is how a person is born, I can no more become striaght, that you can become gay. Well, I'm sure I can pretend to be straight...but I wouldn't be happy. And neither would you If I were to force you to be gay. Think about it. It really isn't rocket science. If you think about it logically instead of just going with emotions and what you have been taught to think....it really is obvious.

Going back to the Qazvin thing, you know...there is a truth to that. Just like San Francisco has a high gay population, so does or did...Qazvin.

You know, all I can ask is for people to not judge others just because they are different than they are. There are so many problems in the world today...hunger, war, disease...why do we care so much about who people want to be with?

shirazi girrrl

09-17-2004, 04:21 PM

man u really know ur stuff, I have to admit u have a point proud persian Istill don't agree with it or like it :| , but hey, everyones different, so just be happy and live ur life the way u want it :wink: .

Anonymous

09-17-2004, 09:01 PM

Thank you Shirazi Girl. It's not really about knowing my stuff...it's just common sense. You don't have to like the fact that I'm gay. All I ask is to no be judged on the fact that I am gay. Me being gay is so little part who I am....

You don't have to like homosexuality or agree with it...just respect everyone.

Cop

09-17-2004, 10:02 PM

Gay joon man kheili gay ha ro mishnakhtam va etefaghan hamashon adamaye mehrabooni boodan!! vali ye chizz har kari ke bekhan bokonan nemitoonan hamoni ke hastan neshon bedan! hamme yejoori abnormal hastan! man aslan hich vaght haminjor harf nemizanam ta vaghti ke ba cheshaye khodam didam :)

man nemigam ke gayha ro bayad kosht ya zendani kard ya chizi :) in chizie ke hast va hammeye adamha mesle ham nistan :)

ye soal gay joon... dorane bachegit toye che joor mohiti bozorg shodi?? aghlab ba dokhtara bodi yani mohite dokhtaroone bod ya chejor mishe begi?? mamnoon misham :)

Nazanin

09-18-2004, 11:05 AM

Cop, chera dari vaghteto talaf mikoni? Ina ke khodeshoon ghabool nadaran marizan & bekhatere ine ke gay hastan, so u're just wasting ur time.

shirazi girrrl

09-18-2004, 04:02 PM

proud persian, ur welcome, yeah I do have respect 4 them cuz it's part of who they are and no one can change who they are cuz it's a part of them, so even though I don't like homosexuality I know that I shouldn't judge or disrespect them, so I won't :wink:

Anonymous

09-18-2004, 05:07 PM

hameye ensanha ba ham barabarand inke dar khalvate khodeshoon va dar otaghe khab che mikonand be khodeshoon marboote. agar shoma ketbhaee ra ke motekhasesin dar morede hamjens-geraha neveshteand bekhanid mibinid ke hodoode 10% az ensanha hamjensgera be donya miayand. dar bazi keshvarha (mesle Iran) ke in afrad azadi nadarand majobooran hoveeate khodeshan ra makhfi konand hamintor dar toole tarikh in mozoo hamishe vojood dashte vali dar bazi jaha bekhatere masaele dini va taasob besorate makhfi boode. dar har in yek masaeleye khosoosi va shakhsi ast. agar hamjensgereha sayerin ra davat be peyvastan be anha mikardand anvaght mozoo fargh mikard vali chon intor nist in be soorate yek masaele khosoosi baghi mimoone dorost mesle din ya afkare siasi ke yek masaeleye shakhsi ast.

mahroz

09-19-2004, 10:45 AM

migam iran barayeh gaya kheili khobeh
ageh beran biron police nemigirteshon

iman

09-19-2004, 02:37 PM

mahrooz engar halet kharabehaaa.. too iran age befahman 2 nafar hamjens baz hastan edamesh mikonan azizam.. taze mage 2 ta pesar oonja beran biroon police migirateshoon?

Nazanin

09-19-2004, 03:04 PM

Khole in Mahroz bekhoda

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 04:28 AM

i mean come on u guys,
if he is gay that doesn't mean that u have to make fun of him.

i know it's sick and not normal but they can't do nothing about it,

hormonayeh badanesh hastesh

no-one here is making fun of him!

it´s just that he´s NOT normal and that´s a fact!
he gotta accept ke he´s not normal and stop ke enghadr poroo bazi darbiare and tell me ke I´m NOT normal?! WTF?!

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 04:36 AM

OK LEMME ASK YOU GUYS SOMETHING!!!

ok a while ago, here in germany police bachehayee 1zano mardo azashoon gereft!?
why? cause in 2ta khahar baradar boodan!!!
in khahar baradar baham 2ta bache dashtan, and they dashtan baham kheyli khoobo khosh zendegi mikardano hamdigaro kheyli doost dashtan!
vali inaro dadgahi kardan & bacheharo azashoon gereftan!!!

so guys tell me is this normal???

p.s. I would be really happy if gay people javabamo bedan aswell!

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 07:15 AM

Toxic, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!? You are comparing Homosexuality with Incest??? You know this is the same ignorant comment as comparing homosexuality with having sex with animals!! IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!!!

Look, I understand that to many people homosexuality is something that they cannot understand. There is a huge difference in having sex with your brother or sister, an animal..or another person of the same sex.

The reason incest is bad is that there can be major genetic defects to a child if the woman becomes preagnant. That is the number one reason that Incest is bad. You know, in Iran two first cousins can marry each other. If you did that in america, that would be considered incest!! So who is right? If you said to someone that you were going to marry your first cousin, they would look at you as some kind of sick person, they would say that it's like marrying your sister or brother!!! Personally, I tend to agree...but not because of genetic reasons, but because in the US cousins are just as close to each other as brothers and sister. In Iran it isn't really like that, because of society.

For two consenting adults of the same sex that are not related to each other to enter into a relationship is no different than two people of the different sex getting into a relationship. They are to people who care for each other, they have no family relationshiop what so ever. Now, if you said that two brothers or sisters were getting together...well I would find that really messed up...no because it is a gay relatioship...but because they are related. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Also Toxic..I've said this once and I'll say it again...who gives anyone the right to say what is normal or not??? In iran they slaughter animals as "ghorbooni", is that normal?? In China many people kill their first born child if it is a girl...is that normal?? In many parts of asia people eat Dogs or cats, is that normal? Just because you don't like something, does not mean it is not normal. Homosexuality has been around in nature and humanity since the begining of time, it isn't as prevelant as Heterosexuality...but it is just as normal.

Mahroz....actually I have wondered the same thing. In Iran, the way that the society is set up, it would be really easy for gay people to go out in public and not be bothered. Since everything is segragated, two boys talking and having fun would not be looked at in a bad way. But here is the messed up thing about Iran, if two men are caught in a homosexual act, they will be put to death. If two women are caught in a homosexual act, they are whipped and sent home. Now that is messed up. It just goes to show you the sick double standard in that country even when it this subject. Don't get me started on Iran...cuz I could go on for days....

Farnaz, I'm not even going to waste my breath on you anymore. You are homophobic, and ignorant and nothing is going to change that.

Cop, to answer you question my childhood was just fine. Happy mom and dad. Great family. I know what you are thinking, you are thinking that maybe there was some kind of bad thing in my childhood that made be become gay. Like my dad leaving or me getting abused. NOPE. It was and is still all good. I have plenty of gay friends that have very stable and loving families and plenty of straight freinds who have parents that are divorced and unhappy.

I had and have a whole lot of guy friends. Why would I want to play with girls when I was a kid. I played sports, hung out with my guy freinds after school. Once again, you don't become gay because of the people you hang around with. This is not a learned behavoir. It is something that you are born with.

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 07:28 AM

Farnaz, I'm not even going to waste my breath on you anymore. You are homophobic, and ignorant and nothing is going to change that.

Good, because ur GAY breath is worthless & isn't worth 2 cents.

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 08:34 AM

Good, because ur GAY breath is worthless & isn't worth 2 cents.

Riiiight.....since all the ignorant, hateful, and all around stupid remarks you have made have been so worthwhile and helpfull in this discussion.

I think all you have left to say to me is some kind of childish thing like "I'm rubber, you're glue...whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!!" Come on...grow up. Act like an adult. You will learn very quickly in the real world that behavior like this isn't going to get you very far. Donya khoob meezaneh paseh gardanet, beedaret meekoneh.

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 08:44 AM

in the real world that behavior like this isn't going to get you very far.

Akhey, rast migi, faggot boodane ke gets u veeeeeeeeeeery far in life. Bebakhshid, my bad.

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 10:20 AM

Nice, real nice. You are cursing at me. You see..this is where ignorance gets you. Once you really have nothing else to base your ingorance on, you start cursing me out and calling me names. Yeah, you'll learn...very soon in life. Honestly, how old are you? 17, 18? Let's see what happens in later on when you say something like that at a job, or in college.

I would rather be a Faggot, as you so brilliantly put it, than to be an ignorant hateful person who feels better about themselves only by putting others down. What a shame.....

Aberooyeh har chi irooni bood to bordy ba in kam fekri....

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 10:25 AM

Aberooyeh har chi irooni bood to bordy ba in kam fekri....

looooooooooooooooooooooool ki harf az ABEROO mizane. Akhe what do u say to smtng like that ke az dahane kasi mese TO darmiyad.
Asan kalameye ABEROO nabayad tou dahanet biyad... Ever, chon kasane mese TO hastan ke aberooye harchi iraniye ro bordan ba in gand kariyashoon.

saba_s

09-20-2004, 10:29 AM

Aberooyeh har chi irooni bood to bordy ba in kam fekri....

har chi man mikham inja chizi nanevisam nemishe

manzooret khodet bood dige? akhe midooni gay ha fek mikonan kam fekri be ine ke ba hame chi movafeghat konio bas hamishe halo .... :arrow:

vali bebin har kasi fekre khodesho dare va har kasi mitoone va hagheshe ke fekre khodesho dashte bashe hatta GAY haaaaaaaa vali fekre man dar morede shoma ine ke shomaha normal nistid va nakhahid shod chon shomaha sakhtegi hastid chizi nistid ke ba tabi at bashid shomaha shakhteye daste khodetoonid na khoda :roll: bozdellllllllllll :|

Cop

09-20-2004, 11:02 AM

ok gay joon man haminjor chizi nemigam man khodam ziaad gay didam o bahashoon neshastamo gap zadimo ina valli chizi ke man didam vaghe'an hich kodomeshon normal nabodan! yani vaghe'an yejor hes mikoni ke ye chiz kam daran ! maloome kheili chizha khode adam nemidoone ke chi kam dare ya nadare vali baghie mitonan bedoonan ino vali to na!! shayad khode man ham chizaye ro dashte basham ke khodam motevajeh nemisham vali baghie motevajeh mishan :)

saba_s

09-20-2004, 11:14 AM

valli chizi ke man didam vaghe'an hich kodomeshon normal nabodan! yani vaghe'an yejor hes mikoni ke ye chiz kam daran ! maloome kheili chizha khode adam nemidoone ke chi kam dare ya nadare vali baghie mitonan bedoonan ino vali to na!! :)

:twisted: :smt023 :finga:

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 11:48 AM

Toxic, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!? You are comparing Homosexuality with Incest??? You know this is the same ignorant comment as comparing homosexuality with having sex with animals!! IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!!!

Look, I understand that to many people homosexuality is something that they cannot understand. There is a huge difference in having sex with your brother or sister, an animal..or another person of the same sex.

The reason incest is bad is that there can be major genetic defects to a child if the woman becomes preagnant. That is the number one reason that Incest is bad. You know, in Iran two first cousins can marry each other. If you did that in america, that would be considered incest!! So who is right? If you said to someone that you were going to marry your first cousin, they would look at you as some kind of sick person, they would say that it's like marrying your sister or brother!!! Personally, I tend to agree...but not because of genetic reasons, but because in the US cousins are just as close to each other as brothers and sister. In Iran it isn't really like that, because of society.

For two consenting adults of the same sex that are not related to each other to enter into a relationship is no different than two people of the different sex getting into a relationship. They are to people who care for each other, they have no family relationshiop what so ever. Now, if you said that two brothers or sisters were getting together...well I would find that really messed up...no because it is a gay relatioship...but because they are related. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Also Toxic..I've said this once and I'll say it again...who gives anyone the right to say what is normal or not??? In iran they slaughter animals as "ghorbooni", is that normal?? In China many people kill their first born child if it is a girl...is that normal?? In many parts of asia people eat Dogs or cats, is that normal? Just because you don't like something, does not mean it is not normal. Homosexuality has been around in nature and humanity since the begining of time, it isn't as prevelant as Heterosexuality...but it is just as normal.

Mahroz....actually I have wondered the same thing. In Iran, the way that the society is set up, it would be really easy for gay people to go out in public and not be bothered. Since everything is segragated, two boys talking and having fun would not be looked at in a bad way. But here is the messed up thing about Iran, if two men are caught in a homosexual act, they will be put to death. If two women are caught in a homosexual act, they are whipped and sent home. Now that is messed up. It just goes to show you the sick double standard in that country even when it this subject. Don't get me started on Iran...cuz I could go on for days....

No I´m not kidding you!
you know chera to migi ina normal nistan vali khodet hasti? chon khodet gay hasti age khodet be jayee ina boodi hatman migofti ina ham normalan!
just be open minded :roll: age GAY people are normal ina ham are normall as hell!!

ok bebin man 1soali azat mikonam ke behem javabe dorost hesabi dadi I´ll accept ke gay people are normal...
ok here is ma Q.

Chejoori mishe bad az in hame saal ke az boodane adama migzare, yedafe marda az marda khosheshoon biad? yani how do you feel yedafe? so yedafe az khab pashodi gofti hmm I´m gay or something?

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 11:56 AM

Yes I speak of Aberoo!! Tell me, when have I ever cursed at anyone here? Have I ever said that you should be killed? Have I ever said that I think you are lower in class than an animal? What kind of human beings are you that you can say that to another person? You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You call yourselvs honest and good people?

All you do is spew hate and ignorance. That is where Aberoo comes into play!! Who I spend the rest of my life with and love is none of your damn business!! You have no right what so ever to tell me I have no aberoo!! How you can sit there and wish horrible things on poeple and then say I have no aberoo just blows my mind!

Everyone has the right to their opinion, I agree. Ok, so when 100 people thought that slavery was right. That was their opinion, was that right? Or how about it's the opinion of many americans that the government should just drop a nuclear bomb on iran. Is that right? Or it's the opinion of people in china that if you have a girl you should kill it. Is that right? It is the opinion of some people in the middle east that if you strap a bomb to yourself and kill a whole bunch of people you are going to goto heaven. Is that right?? COME ON PEOPLE!!! THIS IS CRAZY!!!

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT!!!

A rational and honest human being will listen to others and think with their brains, not the ignorance and hatred that has been spewed to them.

Cop, if you go into a conversation with an idea about gay people...whatever they are going to say will not change your mind. You think they are sick and that's it. So whatever they say, even if they are correct, you are just going to thing...well this guy is sick...so whatever he says is wrong.

I'm sorry that you have met some strange gay people. We are all not like that. Are you trying to tell me that there are no strange straight people? I agree that no one can see their own faults. Everyone has issues and no one is perfect. But to judge someone on their sexuality is not right.

You know, I have made so many valid points throughout this topic. Not one of them has been addressed. Everytime I ask questions, I never get answers. All I get is that I'm sick, and everything I say is wrong. Honestly, you all think it's right that farnaz calls me a faggot? Would it be ok if she called a black person a nigger? How about if she made a off color remark about a jewish person..would that be OK? No one thinks of these things before they say something. I could be just as nasty to Farnaz and say hateful and mean things to her, but all that would just put me at her level. Which I am proud to say I am not.

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 11:58 AM

@PROUD_GAY_IRANIAN!!!

what happend? kam ovordi javabe mano bedi?

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 12:03 PM

I could be just as nasty to Farnaz and say hateful and mean things to her

It's not a question of being hateful & mean, 1 haghighate.

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 12:19 PM

No Toxic...I was typing a reply to everyone else. I just saw your post!

Here is your answer....

Are you saying how come from all this time in humanity, or just if a person has gotten older then all of a sudden they say I'm gay?

I'll answer it both ways...

I've said it before, homosexuality has been around since the start. It is evident in nature, in humans, in animals. Over time it has because of various social and religious reasons become taboo.

It's not like I woke up one morning and said, OK i'm gay. I've always felt this way. I didn't decide that this is what I like. It's like me asking you, did you just wake up one day and say...I like the oppsite sex!!!! No, it is just the way it is. No one forced you or said you HAVE to like the opposite sex...it just happened..you know?

There have been gay people since the begining of time. It's just in the past few hundred years, it has been seen in a negative way. It is only recently where homosexuality has become more accepted and people are not afraid to show who they really are. Think about it why would anyone come out and admit they are gay when they know they are going to be hated and maybe even tortured or killed. So basically they would live their lives in secret. They would get married, put on a show for everyone and pretend. That doesn't happen much anymore in the more open societies. It still does happen in many countries in the middle east where they have a backwards view on many things.

So did that answer your question? If it didn't...let me know what I missed...

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 12:28 PM

Dear guest I really liked the way you answerd my Q.

you know harfat ba aghl joor dar mian, chon if you could choose between being gay or straight maloome ke you would choose to be straight, right?

BUT I nemifahmam ke if being gay is as normal as being straight then how come ke 70% mardom ain´t and can´t accept gay people? if it´s normal then it would be really easy ke accept gay people, wouldn´t it?!

saba_s

09-20-2004, 12:37 PM

I've said it before, homosexuality has been around since the start. It is evident in nature, in humans, in animals. Over time it has because of various social and religious reasons become taboo.

There have been gay people since the begining of time.

you know I believe that you lived 1000 years ago and you know ke gay ha ham oon moghe boodan or something but you know even the stupid or mongol ppl fek mikonan ke normalan !!
maloome ke har kasi delesh mikhad normal bashe vali hame nemitoonan specialy gay ppl :| :roll: :wink:

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 12:49 PM

Toxic, I'm glad that you liked my reply.

And yes, if I could choose to be gay or straight...of course I would choose to be straight!!! Who the hell wants to be hated? I just want you to realize that the reason I would choose to be straight is not because I think being gay is sick or wrong. Being a straight person is easy. Being gay and out is a very difficult thing. You have to deal with ignorant and stupid people who judge you solely on the basis of your sexuality and nothing else. No one chooses to be told that they are sick and they are less than animals! But this is who I am, and I deserve respect as a human bieng.

As far as why 70% can't and won't accept gay people. Why can't palestinians accpet jews? Why can't americans accept muslims? It's because people are ignorant and selfish. It's as simple as if you are a fan of one sports team...like the Dallas cowboys, you hate the Washington Redskins. You know? That is a really simple answer...but when you blow it up to a bigger human social scale.....ignorance breeds hatred. It's that simple. If you are not willing to understand other people who are different than you are, you are basically going to grow to hate them just for being different.

Sexuality is a very hot topic. Just like religion and politics. One of the main reasons that homosexuality is still seen in a negative view is that we live in a very male run society. Why is it that guys think that lesbians are hot? You talk to most guys and they will tell you that it's great! But they don't like gays...that is because they are male!!! Men make the rules and run the world. But...slowly in most civilized countries...people are realizing that being gay is just one other you are born with. That's all. We are all the same.

Was that a good answer?

saba_s

09-20-2004, 12:57 PM

.

Was that a good answer?

bebin to age inja khoda ro biari shahed koniaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa , hich ki ghabool nemikone ke

TO normaliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii honey :wink:

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 01:05 PM

I agree, the way you people think...even if god came down and said...GAY PEOPLE ARE NORMAL!!! You would all probably call god gay! That is how ignorant most people seem to be here!

Oh, and saba_s.....why don't you do a little research before making dumb comments. Ever heard of a little thing called the Roman Empire? How about Rumi? Ever heard of that great persian poet? Well guess what? They were both around a LOOOOOOOONG time ago...and Rumi was gay and homosexuality was widely accepted in Roman times. So I know what I am talking about.

Think before you speak.

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 01:05 PM

yeah that sure was a good answer.......

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 01:13 PM

Toxic...if you don't agree...tell me why...

Don't be *** about it....

How come you were fine with the other answer I gave?

You see...I told you...you already made up your mind......

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 01:25 PM

Toxic...if you don't agree...tell me why...

Don't be butt about it....

How come you were fine with the other answer I gave?

You see...I told you...you already made up your mind......

bebin be nazare man harfayee to make sense vali harfayee baghie ham make sense!
like 2ta mard ya 2ta zan can never ye nasle dige ro be vojood biaran? how come cause being gay s not the way ke it should be!

hala moondam kodoom harf bishtar make sense mikone!
mikham beram yezare info. jam konam aval!

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 01:55 PM

Toxic,
Look...how can you just blindly agree with stuff that people like Farnaz and Saba_s say? So when they say I'm sick or be-aberoo...that is OK? I back what I say with facts. I don't just pull stuff out of the air. Everything I have said has been documented and researched. Now sure, if you want to go find negative things about homosexuality, you can find it....usually those sites basically say the same hatefull and ignorant things that people say here. You have to base what you say on facts and logic.

And yes I agree..that heterosexuality is the predomanant sexual preference for a reason. But as with anything in nature, you will always find mutuations. Like a zebra that has no stripes, or a bug that looks like a tree...or something like that. Within nature, you will always find variations. This is all genetic. As long as there are men and women who are gay that are in the closet and get married and have kids, there will be more gay people in the world. Eventually over a very very long period of time, homosexuality will die out. Not anytime soon though. Once people realize that homosexuality is a genetic trait like eye color or hair color...one day...maybe all this hatred will go away.

So I do agree, for human beings to exist for along time...homosexuality makes no sense. But that is the way that it is. But again, neither does a zebra with no stripes!!! You can't hate a person for being who they are!! Love is love...if someone feels love for the same sex...their heart still breaks when that person dies. It's not all about having sex. Just like straight couples who get married and are together for a long time...the sex goes away....it's the love for the person that lasts and brings joy to ones life.

Toxic, all I can say is please do your research fairly and be open minded. If you go into it looking for reasons to support negative things, you will only see the negative. Be fair.

ToXiC

09-20-2004, 02:05 PM

But as with anything in nature, you will always find mutuations. Like a zebra that has no stripes, or a bug that looks like a tree...or something like that. Within nature, you will always find variations. This is all genetic.

bebin be honest if you ever see a zebra without stripes, hich vaght to oon zebra ro normal count nemikoni?! do you?
Toxic, all I can say is please do your research fairly and be open minded. If you go into it looking for reasons to support negative things, you will only see the negative. Be fair.

be sure ke I´ll be fair! chon khodam ham baram jaleb shode bishtar darmorede in chiza bedoonam :wink: !!

Tapesh

09-20-2004, 02:25 PM

baba bacheha chandta be yeki mikonid yekamam rahm dashte bashid ey baba .... this is an argument not a fight so be cooler to each other guys both sides I'm talking about....

respect solves alot of things maybe not the desired answer but resolves who believes what

:P chi goftam wolek hehe

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 02:27 PM

Yes I'll admit it. I would be really surpised to see a zebra without stripes. Is it normal? No it is not. But here is the thing....my defenition of Normal is something is different from what is seen and accepted everyday. Does that make it bad? No. Do I think that the zebra should be killed? No. Just because it doesn't have stripes is it not a Zebra? No.

Some people here is Normal as If it is Normal it is good if it is not normal then it is sick, gross and disgusting and it should not exist. You see where I am going with this? So within nature...sure a zebra with no stripes Rare. It still happens and it is a normal RARE occurance. Now, since there aren't 6 billion zebras in the world, you don't see many of them!!
But since there are over 6 Billion people on this planet, you will see more of the "Rare" genetic occurances because there are more of them. Do you see?

So yes I guess what I am saying is once again...just because it is different and not what you see everyday, does that give you or anyone the right to treat it in a negative and hateful manner?

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 03:45 PM

Proud Gay Iranian when will you learn that, as Farnaz said, being gay is totally sick and wrong. When will people learn that love and sex is between a man and a women. Would you have sex with a dog? Then why with a man?. People should be grateful that the Arabs bestowed upon us the Quran that we too may learn to be like them.

:prayer: Allah Akbar

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 03:51 PM

Musalmon what does a dog have to do with a man? And how did the Arabs bestow anything but misery upon us. They destroyed our culture, our heritage, raped women, to list a few atrocities :evil: . An you say where blessed? What about the days before Islam? What about Koroush (Cyrus)? He is the best example of tolerance that you lack. He was monotheistic yet accepted his polytheistic neighbors, even loved them. He protected the people and treated every man fairly. There is a reason that the people called him a messiah. He would treat gays fairly just like any man.

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 04:01 PM

You just dont get it do you ProuPersian? How can you defend a phag like Proud Gay Iranian? He is a homosexual, against God's word. The word brought by the glorious Quran which you neglect. The Old Iranian heritage is a load of BS. You don't think our history was filled with that stuff do you? Some silly paganists developed it. The Quran however is the word of Allah himself and must be accepted over the old lies. And when the Arabs invaded Iran they weren't as violent as you say. And even if they did have forcible intercourse with Iranians we're better for it because we have sayyeds to guide the way (like me). And to cut this short Gays are nasty violators of Allah's words. We cannot have a functioning society with them constantly bringing it down which is why the current regime is a good one.

:prayer: Allah Akbar

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 04:09 PM

So our whole history is BS is it? And of course to you there is nothing wrong wid Iranians being raped by Arabs is there? Just tell me what threats gays pose to society. Being feministic and all I can hardly imagine gays being the end of the civilized world. Oh right the "good" regime. The same one that murders kids, steals money, ruins a country, stifles free speech and yet it is "good". The same people that crushed all Iranian culture :cry: :evil: . Most of the Mullahs are not even Iranian, usually Arab or half Arab. Before you post comments on Arabian supremacy you should consider the fact that this is not a Muslim or Arab site, it is an Iranian/Persian site. Gays are human beings just like you or me.

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 04:15 PM

And before you post your pagan/gay comments :smt084 remember that Iran is a Muslim/antiGay/Non-homosexual nation and that most people on this site are probably at least semi-muslim and agree with me and the quran over you and your old Iranian hype. Iran is muslim nation first and foremost. Am I not right, people?

:prayer: Allah Akbar

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 04:15 PM

forgot my username in last post.

saba_s

09-20-2004, 04:16 PM

Oh, and saba_s.....why don't you do a little research before making dumb comments.
Think before you speak.

ki be ki mige fek kno bad sobat kon :lol: bebin man khodam hame chizo taghriban raje be SHOMAHA midoonam , midoonam ke az key be vojood oomadid, midoonam ke che kara mikonid , midoonam ke az che karayi badestoon miad , but as cop said man ham kheily ba dokhtaraye les harf zadam va oona ham ba man bazi vaghta darde del kardan az dase gf hashoon :roll: and you know sometimes they told me ke mikhay ba man doos shio az in chiza :roll: :shock: va bebin har kasi be savadesh negah mikone harf mizane har kasi negah mikone che ghad raje be chizi midoone va che ghad nemidoone ,man age oomadam inaj post zadam vase in boode ke ye chizayi midoonesam vase in boode ke didam ke to dary CHERT migi , vase in boode ke didam mikhayyyyyy sabet kony ke normali vali inja harfe ma inja faghat ine ke to normal nissi honey , but you just don' t wanna accept the truth cuz be ghole khodetoon ghoroor darin :roll: vali midooni chie , ine ke shomaha hamatoon faghat baladid rah berid k o o netoono gher bedid va bekhodetoon cheshmak bezanido begid berim hal konim , and it was why farnaz said go and get a life for ur self, ye zendegi ke khodeto toosh beshnasi , bedooni ke who is the REAL YOU !!!!!! :| :wink:

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 04:18 PM

which is why the current regime is a good one.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: OMG! :shock:
Nemidoonam loole 6 metri bezanam ya 500 ta>>>>> :shock: bezanam.
Behtare hichi nagam.

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 04:21 PM

I,m more than sure, without your reminder, it was you Musalmon. No, Iran is an Iranian nation first and foremost. And I am not gay or homosexual. I just think that gays should be treated like human beings. Yeah a zebra without stripes is not normal, but should it be tortured and killed just for that. And Iran only became an Islamic nation under the sword of the brutality of the Arabs who forced Iranians to convert. Unfortunately Iranians have never agian discovered their roots.

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 04:24 PM

Nazanin

09-20-2004, 04:25 PM

Oh right the "good" regime. The same one that murders kids, steals money, ruins a country, stifles free speech and yet it is "good". The same people that crushed all Iranian culture :cry: :evil: . Most of the Mullahs are not even Iranian, usually Arab or half Arab.

& this

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 06:01 PM

May i suggest everyone to use the word HAMJENSGERA instead hamjensbaz which sounds like kaftarbaz!...I think it is more accurate translation for homosexual. Thanks
I also think Proud Gay Persian is very logical and what he says make sense (at least to me!)

Anonymous

09-20-2004, 06:56 PM

Mosalman
Everything you said is based on islam and muslims unfortunately most muslims i have seen in iran dirnk alcohol, lie, have sex outside marriage and talke behind others which is haram but they like to consider themselves as good muslims pehaps they think because during the month of moharam they wear black and attend azadary ceremonie and make gheyme poloye nazri then everything they do for the rest of the year is OK!!! I don't think so. When you talk about Iran and how good it is NOW! look at Iran and what muslims have done in Iran since they forced their religion upon Iranians. If you ever read history of Iran before and after Islam you will find out! So i am sorry my friend i can't take any advise from you based on Islam and muslims. Everyone is entitled to their opinon and should be respected and you are entitled to your oponion but i don't agree with you at all.