Israel / Palestine

[Rasputin]

What you think about them !? how you see them ? terrorist? nacionalist ? or something else ?

[donsaeid]

What i feel is sympaty for both part. the Civil part of those countries.

What i dislike is both regimes.

zionism is a real fanatic and rasict ideology as the idea for not existens of israel.

but israel was a country put there of pity for what they did to jews in europe. what i dont understand is why put a nationalist/fasicst regim like south-africa in a part of world that does nothing to jews. if they really were sorry for the give a part of their own country to them. first plan was to give a country in africa to them but jews didnt liked that. and with the compensation the jewish organization got from germany and german companies they pushed for the zionist ideal of a jewish country in promis land.

anyway... what happened has happened and cant be undone...

so they need to put the differences aside and they to figure a solution. that answeres for both.

1. palestinians who were forced out of israel must come back(that has a problem to it-because than the arabs will be more than jews and that makes it apartid)

2. recognition from all countries of existence of israel (they wont because of refugee problem)

3. 2 countries living as independence as eachother.

4. Jerusalem(both see it as legitim capital)

and many more....

[ProudPersian]

I have greatest sympathies for Iran. If only our leaders would concern themselves with Iran's plight. We have many issues in our own country we should devote money and resources too before we help other nations.

That aside I despise Islam and politics and/or any extreme Islamic religion.

I also dislike zionism which controls Israel, it is far too radical and ideology, akin to that of al-qaida. I think if Europe and UN wanted to help Jews they would have given them a state in Germany. They just wanted to get rid of jews.

[Michellica]

Zionist are good actors...they always play as victims and use the "holocaust issue" to invade,kill and destroy....

Palestinians are stupid...they have selt their country years ago to israel and they want it back ..mikhastan nafrooshan!

anyway ta vakhti ke economy & government e US daste yahudia bashe..US havaye israel o khahad dasht...badesham Mid East Conflicts hich vakht tamoom nemishe chon be nafe US & Co. nist tamoom konanesh...

[ramin2999]

very intresting what you guys say but please do some research before you speak here. Especialy you donsaid you are a regular contributer and what you say carries alot weight or atleast for me, you present some stuff as fact when they are not. Everyone is entiteled to there opinion what ever it is but please when presenting fact do some research first. Also guys lets not pass our opinions as fact.

[donsaeid]

about what? im not speaking from clear air...

plz tell me what you disagree so we can talk about it and put facts against eachother...

Peace and Love

[donsaeid]

let me put the record strait...

1. i care about israeli(jews) as much as i care about palestinian.

2. what i dont like is extremists.

3. What i ran from is war... what i seek is peace

[Rasputin]

az zamaneh Kourosh-e Kabir,ma hamisheh ba jewish ppl ravabeteh khoubi dashtim ! avalin keshvari boudim bad az USA keh Israel ro beh rasmiat shenakhtim !

felestiniha khodeshoun taghsir daran touyeh in chiza,una bomb mizaran,israel ham talafi mikoneh ! ageh iran va syria naboudan,felestiniha salhayeh pish peace ro ba israel emza kardhe boud va hameh chiza tamoum shodeh boud !

[golgol85]

I put both because i feel sorry for the innocent bystanders and civilians who get killed, religion and all that aside.

az invare donya, the muslimand palestinian clubs and the israeli and jewish clubs on campus are always fighting. the muslim club and the israeli and jewish club brought speakers, and we had cops, demonstrations. i think the biggest problem is people decide to pick sides, i dont think there is a right side here. both sides are doing bad, both are hurting their people and the people of the other side, and unless they decide to put their thinking caps on and sit down and talk, this wont stop. the Israelis will always have more say, they do even when things happen on campus. the muslims and palestinians are shut down the second they say something, but the israelis can do a lot more before anyone decides to bring it up.

[Rasputin]

moshekl injast keh europe va usa az israel hemayat mikonan,az in var ham iran syria arabia saudi va... az palestine hemayat mikonan,nemizaran ina beshinan ba ham sohbat konan va kenar bian ! man ba israeli group kar kardam in our department,bi chareh ha mioftan keh har rouz sobh keh az khuneh mian biroun,doa mikonan keh salem bargardan khunashoun !

[golgol85]

maloome ke ki mibare chizaye ke mikhad: Israel will because negah kon ki poshteshe: US and Europe. Palestine doesnt stand a chance with saudi arabia and Iran and Syria.

[Armageddon]

How would you feel if someone comes outa nowhere, and kicks your butt out of your home, where you have been borned, rasied and lived?

How would you feel If someone takes your roots, ruins your home, kills your family,... just because somewhere in the history he was supposed to own the land?

yeah, Weapons and $ supprot are imprortant factors in winning a war, however They are NOT THE ONLY FACTORS! I respect Palestinians for fighting with bare hands against those who are colonizing their land forcefully!

$ and weapons haven't been able to degrade them so far ( in 50 years) so they won't be able in future!

It's not a fight between Jews and muslims, like i have lots of jewish friends and all are not zionist. Even Jewish community here in toronto, they protested along with muslims on catoon's controversy!

It's not religons that are conflicting in palestine

[Armageddon]

Check this clip, "Palestine this one is for ya" : http://www.muslimhiphop.com/index.php?p=Pop/Seven_8_Six

[golgol85]

How would you feel if someone comes outa nowhere, and kicks your butt out of your home, where you have been borned, rasied and lived?

How would you feel If someone takes your roots, ruins your home, kills your family,... just because somewhere in the history he was supposed to own the land?

yeah, Weapons and $ supprot are imprortant factors in winning a war, however They are NOT THE ONLY FACTORS! I respect Palestinians for fighting with bare hands against those who are colonizing their land forcefully!

$ and weapons haven't been able to degrade them so far ( in 50 years) so they won't be able in future!

It's not a fight between Jews and muslims, like i have lots of jewish friends and all are not zionist. Even Jewish community here in toronto, they protested along with muslims on catoon's controversy!

It's not religons that are conflicting in palestine

Its a sad thing that they have to fight over something like land, but the reality of it is its a war that does have to do with religion. Maybe the Jews in Canada are really openminded, but the ones in california and more specifically the students at my university who are jewish cant get along with the muslims. they had a pannel come in and talk about the Danish cartoons, I didnt go but i did personally have cops look at me funny because i was middle eastern and passing the place where the meeting buliding was. my car was parked in the parking lot across from that buliding, and there was a cop with a dog looking for suspicious objects, and he gave me the dirtiest look ever ( i was with a really outspoken friend, khoda rahm kard she didnt see him, otherwise we would have ended up in jail that night). it is very much a religion thing, atleast the muslims and jews on this side of the world have made it a religion thing too, such a way that supposedly muslims and jews arent supposed to be friends. being jewish and being a zionist are two differnet things, being a zionist entails more of a political outlook where as being jewish is a religion. you know i am not for war or blood shed, and i am definately for defending ones rights, but im looking at this realistically. the guy with the bigger guns and more support wins. the US and Europe being behind Israel is what is keeping them going, palestine doesnt have that kind of support.

[Armageddon]

Its a sad thing that they have to fight over something like land, but the reality of it is its a war that does have to do with religion. Maybe the Jews in Canada are really openminded, but the ones in california and more specifically the students at my university who are jewish cant get along with the muslims. they had a pannel come in and talk about the Danish cartoons, I didnt go but i did personally have cops look at me funny because i was middle eastern and passing the place where the meeting buliding was. my car was parked in the parking lot across from that buliding, and there was a cop with a dog looking for suspicious objects, and he gave me the dirtiest look ever ( i was with a really outspoken friend, khoda rahm kard she didnt see him, otherwise we would have ended up in jail that night). it is very much a religion thing, atleast the muslims and jews on this side of the world have made it a religion thing too, such a way that supposedly muslims and jews arent supposed to be friends. being jewish and being a zionist are two differnet things, being a zionist entails more of a political outlook where as being jewish is a religion. you know i am not for war or blood shed, and i am definately for defending ones rights, but im looking at this realistically. the guy with the bigger guns and more support wins. the US and Europe being behind Israel is what is keeping them going, palestine doesnt have that kind of support.

We Define "Winning" Differently