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  • #46
    Fearing that worse is still to come, Adelman believes that neoconservatism itself—what he defines as "the idea of a tough foreign policy on behalf of morality, the idea of using our power for moral good in the world"—is dead, at least for a generation. After Iraq, he says, "it's not going to sell." And if he, too, had his time over, Adelman says, "I would write an article that would be skeptical over whether there would be a performance that would be good enough to implement our policy. The policy can be absolutely right, and noble, beneficial, but if you can't execute it, it's useless, just useless. I guess that's what I would have said: that Bush's arguments are absolutely right, but you know what, you just have to put them in the drawer marked can't do. And that's very different from let's go."

    I spend the better part of two weeks in conversations with some of the most respected voices among the neoconservative elite. What I discover is that none of them is optimistic. All of them have regrets, not only about what has happened but also, in many cases, about the roles they played. Their dismay extends beyond the tactical issues of whether America did right or wrong, to the underlying question of whether exporting democracy is something America knows how to do.

    I will present my findings in full in the January issue of Vanity Fair, which will reach newsstands in New York and L.A. on December 6 and nationally by December 12. In the meantime, here is a brief survey of some of what I heard from the war's remorseful proponents.

    Richard Perle: "In the administration that I served [Perle was an assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan], there was a one-sentence description of the decision-making process when consensus could not be reached among disputatious departments: 'The president makes the decision.' [Bush] did not make decisions, in part because the machinery of government that he nominally ran was actually running him. The National Security Council was not serving [Bush] properly. He regarded [then National-Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice] as part of the family."

    Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute freedom scholar: "Ask yourself who the most powerful people in the White House are. They are women who are in love with the president: Laura [Bush], Condi, Harriet Miers, and Karen Hughes."

    Frank Gaffney, an assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan and founder of the Center for Security Policy: "[Bush] doesn't in fact seem to be a man of principle who's steadfastly pursuing what he thinks is the right course. He talks about it, but the policy doesn't track with the rhetoric, and that's what creates the incoherence that causes us problems around the world and at home. It also creates the sense that you can take him on with impunity."

    Kenneth Adelman: "The most dispiriting and awful moment of the whole administration was the day that Bush gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to [former C.I.A. director] George Tenet, General Tommy Franks, and [Coalition Provisional Authority chief] Jerry [Paul] Bremer—three of the most incompetent people who've ever served in such key spots. And they get the highest civilian honor a president can bestow on anyone! That was the day I checked out of this administration. It was then I thought, There's no seriousness here, these are not serious people. If he had been serious, the president would have realized that those three are each directly responsible for the disaster of Iraq."

    David Frum: "I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."

    Michael Rubin, former Pentagon Office of Special Plans and Coalition Provisional Authority staffer: "Where I most blame George Bush is that through his rhetoric people trusted him, people believed him. Reformists came out of the woodwork and exposed themselves." By failing to match his rhetoric with action, Rubin adds, Bush has betrayed Iraqi reformers in a way that is "not much different from what his father did on February 15, 1991, when he called the Iraqi people to rise up, and then had second thoughts and didn't do anything once they did."

    Richard Perle: "Huge mistakes were made, and I want to be very clear on this: They were not made by neoconservatives, who had almost no voice in what happened, and certainly almost no voice in what happened after the downfall of the regime in Baghdad. I'm getting damn tired of being described as an architect of the war. I was in favor of bringing down Saddam. Nobody said, 'Go design the campaign to do that.' I had no responsibility for that."

    Kenneth Adelman: "The problem here is not a selling job. The problem is a performance job.… Rumsfeld has said that the war could never be lost in Iraq, it could only be lost in Washington. I don't think that's true at all. We're losing in Iraq.… I've worked with [Rumsfeld] three times in my life. I've been to each of his houses, in Chicago, Taos, Santa Fe, Santo Domingo, and Las Vegas. I'm very, very fond of him, but I'm crushed by his performance. Did he change, or were we wrong in the past? Or is it that he was never really challenged before? I don't know. He certainly fooled me."

    Eliot Cohen, director of the strategic-studies program at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and member of the Defense Policy Board: "I wouldn't be surprised if what we end up drifting toward is some sort of withdrawal on some sort of timetable and leaving the place in a pretty ghastly mess.… I do think it's going to end up encouraging various strands of Islamism, both Shia and Sunni, and probably will bring de-stabilization of some regimes of a more traditional kind, which already have their problems.… The best news is that the United States remains a healthy, vibrant, vigorous society. So in a real pinch, we can still pull ourselves together. Unfortunately, it will probably take another big hit. And a very different quality of leadership. Maybe we'll get it."

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    • #47
      JERUSALEM (AP) -- An Israeli and Palestinian cease-fire in Gaza is to go into effect at 6 a.m. Sunday (11 p.m. Saturday ET), a spokeswoman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Saturday.

      Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas telephoned Olmert late Saturday to tell him he had arrived at an agreement with all Palestinian factions to stop all violence from Gaza, Olmert spokeswoman Miri Eisin said.

      Abbas asked that Israel reciprocate by stopping all military operations in Gaza and withdrawing all its forces and Olmert agreed, she said.(Watch Palestinians experiment with human shields -- 2:07)

      An Abbas spokesman said later in Gaza City that Palestinian armed factions had agreed to stop their military activity in Gaza on Sunday morning and reinstate a truce reached in Egypt in February 2005. Olmert has agreed, in turn, to halt Israeli military operations in the coastal strip, Nabil Abu Rdeneh said.

      "There is a signed agreement between the president and Prime Minister [Ismail] Haniyeh and all the Palestinian factions to resort to the agreement of the factions in Cairo in 2005, including ceasing all the military activity from Gaza, starting from Sunday morning," Abu Rdeneh said. "The Israeli prime minister has agreed, and it is going to start tomorrow morning."


      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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      • #48
        i have to say i am impresed that hamas is going to stick to the ceasfire


        G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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        • #49
          Israel announced on Saturday, following a telephone conversation between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, that it would accept the Palestinian factions' offer of a ceasefire.

          According to the Prime Minister's Office, Abbas phoned Olmert and told him he had received an agreement from all the different Palestinian factions to the cease-fire, and in response "requested that Israel would stop all military operations in the Gaza Strip, and withdraw all its forces from there."

          The statement said that after speaking to his senior ministers and top security officials, Olmert told Abbas that Israel would respond favorably "since Israel was operating in the Gaza Strip in response to the [Palestinian] violence."

          Olmert, according to the statement, told Abbas that "the end of the violence could bring about the end of Israeli operations, and his hope that this would bring stability to both sides."

          According to the statement, the two "agreed to continue the dialogue to bring about an end of violence in the West Bank, and agreed to talk again soon." No mention was made in the statement about kidnapped soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit, whose abduction on June 25 led to the IDF's stepped-up actions in Gaza.

          The agreement, according to Israeli officials, did not apply to military actions in the West Bank. The key now, the officials said, would be to see whether indeed all the different Palestinian factions have signed on - and would honor - the cease-fire agreement.

          Palestinian terrorist groups announced the offer on Saturday, saying that they would stop firing rockets at Israel at 6 a.m. Sunday. "We have set 6 a.m. tomorrow morning to stop firing rockets toward Zionist towns in our occupied land in return for a mutual cessation of the aggression committed against our people," said Abu Mujahed, spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees.

          Washington was full of praise for the cease-fire agreement.

          A White House spokesman said that it viewed the joint announcement as "a positive step," adding that the US hoped the agreement would diminish the bloodshed between the Israelis and Palestinians.

          However, the armed faction of the Islamic Jihad and Abu Reish, an armed faction of Fatah, both announced early Sunday that they were not part of the ceasefire agreement.

          A spokesman for Abu Reish denied the movement's participation in Saturday's meeting between Palestinian Authority Prime Minster Ismail Haniyeh and Palestinian factions during which the ceasefire was agreed.

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          • #50
            but unfortinitly hamas the terorist orginization broke the truce
            a full atical of it is in peacful hamas thread


            G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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            • #51
              13,000 Palestinian security forces maintain cease-fire
              Story Highlights•13,000 Palestinian security forces deployed to enforce cease-fire
              •Palestinian groups to discuss extending truce to West Bank, Israeli PM says
              •Rockets hit Israel after deal takes effect, Israeli officials say
              •Hamas spokesman says all Palestinian factions agree to cease-fire

              JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Sunday ordered 13,000 security forces to deploy near the border to enforce a cease-fire agreement with Israel, sources in Abbas' office told CNN.

              The move came hours after Palestinian militants in Gaza apparently launched nearly a dozen rockets toward Israel.

              Abbas also called on the Palestinian factions who previously negotiated the cease-fire to meet again to ensure the agreement holds, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters Sunday.

              The Israeli leader said his country will not take immediate action in the wake of the violations.

              "Israel is a powerful country that can allow itself to show restraint and to give the cease-fire a chance to be fully implemented," Olmert said. (Watch what threatens fragile truce)

              Hamas' militant wing and the Islamic Jihad militant group claimed responsibility for firing several rockets into Israel after the cease-fire took effect at 6 a.m. (11 p.m. ET Sunday).

              In its leaflet, Islamic Jihad said it will "hold our right for resistance as long as Israel continues its aggression."

              According to the Israel Defense Forces, only two of the 11 rockets fired from Gaza after 6 a.m. landed inside Israel. Both landed in open fields and did not cause any casualties or damage.

              Militants also fired several rockets just before the cease-fire took effect, according to IDF. No one was injured, but a house in Sderot was damaged. (Watch Israelis survey rocket damage)

              Hamas government spokesman Ghazi Hamad insisted that all Palestinian factions are "100 percent" behind the cease-fire.

              "All of them now, without exception, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Fatah and other factions, they decided to respect the agreement and also to be committed 100 percent to this agreement," Hamad told CNN.

              Hamad denied reports that Palestinian militants fired rockets into Israel after cease-fire took effect.

              "Hamas fired missiles before 6 o'clock, which is the time of the beginning of the cease-fire and they have released a statement [at] 7 o'clock," he said.

              "We have contact with all factions now, especially from the prime minister [Ismail Haniyeh], and he asked to stop firing missiles from Gaza."

              In addition to talking about implementation of the Gaza cease-fire, the Palestinian factions will discuss expanding the truce to the West Bank, Olmert said.

              He said he hopes the meeting will lead to "a serious, real, honest and direct negotiation between myself and [Abbas] so we could make a progress towards a full settlement between Israel and the Palestinians."

              Palestinian factions offered the cease-fire proposal to Israel on Saturday, agreeing to stop firing rockets into Israel.

              In exchange, Israel agreed to withdraw troops from Gaza and cease military operations, including targeted airstrikes on militants.

              Israel Defense Minister Amir Peretz convened a scheduled security meeting to discuss the cease-fire violation earlier in the day. During the meeting Peretz learned of the rocket launches out of Gaza and said every attempt to fire rockets on Israel will be considered a violation of the cease-fire and will be dealt with in "a severe manner," a ministry statement said.

              CNN's Avivit Dalgoshen contributed to this report.








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              Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Sunday ordered 13,000 security forces to deploy near the border to enforce a cease-fire agreement with Israel, sources in Abbas' office told CNN.


              G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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              • #52
                again hamas is a terorist orginization that dosent want peac

                this artical demonstrates that there is number of people not the majority
                that want peace

                the reason i say not the majority because PA in not the elect government official
                and hamas a terorist orginization holds the majortiy rule

                ABBas should be apllauded for his actions to hold a peace
                the idf to for not retaliating even thogh it is their right to do so
                hope fully they the IDF will also keep from retaliatiing


                G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                • #53
                  Olmert, in peace move, says ready to free prisoners

                  SDE BOKER, Israel (Reuters) - Israel is ready to release many jailed Palestinians in return for a soldier seized by militants in June, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced on Monday, saying he was reaching out for peace.

                  In a major policy speech, Olmert offered to ease travel restrictions on Palestinians and free up frozen funds if violence against Israel ended. He repeated his readiness to give up some occupied land for an eventual peace agreement.

                  "We are ready and willing to pursue this path, and persevere until we reach the sought-after solution," Olmert said.

                  Within hours of Olmert's address, Palestinian militants in Gaza fired rockets into the Israeli border town of Sderot, despite a ceasefire declared on Sunday. Nobody was hurt.

                  Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, part of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction, claimed responsibility for the attack, which followed the killing of two Palestinians in an Israeli raid in the West Bank, where a truce is not in effect.

                  "In response to the prime minister extending his hand in peace, we see what some Palestinian factions are giving in return," Olmert spokeswoman Miri Eisin said.

                  Apart from a few salvoes just after the ceasefire began on Sunday, militants have largely refrained from firing rockets.

                  Both Olmert and Abbas are under growing U.S. pressure to show progress on ending decades of conflict. Sudden new talk of peacemaking comes days before visits to the region by President George W. Bush and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
                  If the truce lasts, it could ease domestic pressure on Olmert after an inconclusive war with Hezbollah guerrillas.

                  SETTLEMENTS

                  In his speech, Olmert repeated that he was willing to dismantle many settlements Israel has built in the West Bank, which it captured in the 1967 war, to get "real peace".

                  Olmert did not give details or mention a unilateral "realignment plan" shelved after the recent Lebanon war.
                  With Gilad Shalit's release and his return safe and sound to his family, the Israeli government will be willing to release many Palestinian prisoners, even those who have been sentenced to lengthy terms," Olmert said.

                  It was the first time he had offered to exchange prisoners for Shalit, whose capture in a cross-border raid by Palestinian militants triggered an Israeli offensive into the Gaza Strip.

                  The governing Hamas movement said Olmert's offer "was not enough", alluding to its demand for a simultaneous exchange of more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for Shalit. The Islamist militant group called Olmert's proposal a retreat.

                  The Gaza truce, designed to halt rocket attacks and an Israeli offensive, is seen as a step to reviving talks that collapsed in 2000 before a Palestinian uprising broke out.

                  But Olmert listed a string of conditions for peace talks with Abbas.
                  He said Palestinians must first form a unity government that met Western demands to recognize Israel, renounce violence and accept existing interim peace accords, and Shalit must be freed.

                  Peace hopes have dimmed since Hamas came to power in March. It is engaged in so far unsuccessful talks with Abbas on a coalition of technocrats that Palestinians hope can lead to an easing of Western sanctions.

                  Commenting on Olmert's speech, senior Hamas legislator Mushir al-Masri said the group would continue to reject "conditions that contradict the rights of our people".

                  Nabil Abu Rdainah, an Abbas adviser, called for a return to peace negotiations.

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                  • #54
                    عريقات از گفت و گو با رژيم صهيونيستي استقبال كرد


                    مذاكره كننده ارشد فلسطين تاكيد كرد، ما به طور كامل آماده*ايم براي دستيابي به راه حلي مسالمت آميز با تل*آويو گفتگو كنيم.



                    صائب عريقات در مصاحبه با خبرگزاري فرانسه گفت: فلسطينيان آمادگي كامل دارند درباره موضوعات مختلف به ويژه بيت*المقدس، آوارگان و مرزها، با اسراييل وارد گفت و گو شوند.

                    وي افزود: اين گفتگوها بايد موجب پيشبرد "نقشه راه" براي پايان دادن به اشغالگري و تحقق وعده جرج بوش رئيس جمهور آمريكا در تشكيل دو دولت مستقل شود.

                    بوش تاكنون براي تحقق آنچه تشكيل دو دولت در فلسطين ناميده، نه تنهاي كاري انجام نداده بلكه با حمايت از تجاوزگريهاي اسرائيل، عملا براي تشديد بحران خاورميانه اقدام كرده است.

                    عريقات خاطر نشان كرد، اگر اسرائيل مايل به از سرگيري گفتگوها باشد بايد با محمود عباس رئيس تشكيلات خودگردان فلسطيني و رئيس سازمان آزاديخبش فلسطين كه تمامي توافقنامه گذشته را با اسرائيل به امضاء رسانده است، گفتگو كند.
                    ايهود اولمرت نخست وزير رژيم صهيونيستي امروز طي سخناني در مراسم ياد بود
                    "ديويد بن گوريون" اولين نخست وزير اسرائيل در" سده بوكر" در صحراي نقب گفت: ما آماده*ايم از بخش*هاي زيادي از سرزمين هاي فلسطيني در مقابل صلح با فلسطينيان خارج شويم.

                    اولمرت همچنين آمادگي اين رژيم را براي آزادي شمار زيادي از اسراي فلسطيني در مقابل آزادي "گلعاد شاليت" سرباز اسير اسرائيلي اعلام كرد.
                    نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                    صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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                    • #55
                      Former President Jimmy Carter Examines Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

                      JUDY WOODRUFF, NewsHour Special Correspondent: The former president and Nobel Peace Prize-winner has just written his 21st book. It is called "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid."

                      That title has brought some sharp critiques from Americans sympathetic to Israel, and its publications comes amid both renewed tensions and some peaceful gestures between Israelis and Palestinians.

                      President Carter, it's good to see you. Thanks for being with us.

                      JIMMY CARTER, Former President of the United States: It's nice to be with you. Thank you, Judy.

                      JUDY WOODRUFF: The title, you chose, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid." Did you mean to be provocative, because this immediately calls to mind South Africa, the repression of blacks by whites?

                      JIMMY CARTER: Yes. But I don't consider the word "provocative" to be negative. I wanted to provoke...

                      JUDY WOODRUFF: The word "apartheid."

                      JIMMY CARTER: The whole title, I wanted to provoke discussion, debate, inquisitive analysis of the situation there, which is almost completely absent throughout the United States, but it's prevalent every day in Israel and in Europe. This is needed, I think, for our country to understand what's going on in the West Bank.

                      And I chose this title very carefully. It's Palestine, first of all. This is the Palestinians' territory, not Israel.

                      Secondly, the emphasis is on peace.

                      And the third thing is not apartheid. I don't want to see apartheid. And since now the entire peace process is completely dormant, there hasn't been one day for good faith substantive negotiations in the last six years to bring peace to Israel, I wanted to rejuvenate this process.

                      JUDY WOODRUFF: And you say it's dormant, and yet today Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announcing she's going to meet with the leader of the Palestinians, Mr. Abbas, later this week. Isn't that a sign of progress, potential progress?

                      JIMMY CARTER: Well, a sign of progress -- to talk to one side and then talk to the other is very nice. But I'm talking about there hasn't been a day of negotiation orchestrated or promoted by the United States between Israel and the Palestinians in six years.

                      And for all practical purposes, it is dormant. I don't mean that the United States has not visited Israel; I don't mean that the secretary of state hasn't talked to the Israelis and the Palestinians.

                      And let me get to the word "apartheid." Apartheid doesn't apply at all, as I made plain in my book, anything that relates to Israel to the nation. It doesn't imply anything as it relates to racism. This apartheid, which is prevalent throughout the occupied territories, the subjection of the Palestinians to horrible abuse, is caused by a minority of Israelis -- we're not talking about racism, but talking about their desire to acquire, to occupy, to confiscate, and then to colonize Palestinian land.

                      So the whole system is designed to separate through a ferocious system Israelis who live on Palestine territory and Palestinians who want to live on their own territory.

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                      • #56
                        Peace efforts and withdrawal
                        JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, again, your book comes out at a moment when, not only you have Dr. Rice saying she's going to meet with the Palestinian leader, you have the Israeli prime minister, Mr. Olmert, announcing just yesterday that he is putting a proposal on the table.

                        He's saying, "We will give back most of the West Bank. We will get out most of the West Bank." He's saying, "We will release prisoners, if there will be a good-faith effort on the part of the Palestinians." Is this the kind of progress you're looking for?

                        JIMMY CARTER: I think that's a minor first step, yes, to give back some of their land. The demand is for them to give back all the land.

                        The United Nations resolutions that apply, the agreements that have been made at Camp David under me and later at Oslo for which the Israeli leaders received the Nobel Peace Prizes, was based on Israel's withdrawal from occupied territories.

                        And the present only game in town -- that is, the international quartet's road map -- calls for the withdrawal of Israel from occupied territories. That road map, by the way, all of the terms of it have been adopted by the Palestinians. All the major terms of the road map have been rejected officially by the Israeli government.

                        So this is what's created this quagmire and what I consider to be a total inaction for the first time in the history of Israel. We've been six years now without any negotiations for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: But are you dismissing what Mr. Olmert is proposing as of yesterday?

                        JIMMY CARTER: Well, the New York Times said it was a non-substantive speech that didn't bring anything new to the table. I haven't read the entire speech, so I haven't analyzed it that thoroughly.

                        But when he says we're going to withdraw from part of the process, part of the land that we're occupying, and keep the rest, we're going to keep our wall there, which surrounds the remnant of the Palestinians' land that they're going to be permitted to live on, where we're going to keep Israeli settlements all over the land even that the Palestinians will retain, and keep the wall around Gaza, all of these things need to be changed and not just a token withdrawal from some of the land that the Israelis have acquired.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: So you're saying it's not nearly enough?

                        JIMMY CARTER: No, it's not nearly enough, and everybody knows that. In fact, the international community, all the policy of the United States' government since Israel was founded as a nation, the agreements that the Israelis have adopted -- a strong majority of the Israeli people all agree that, in order to have peace, Israel has got to withdraw from the occupied territories, not just from token withdrawals from a few settlements leaving about 150 other settlements on Palestinian land.







                        Jimmy Carter
                        Former U.S. President

                        And as a matter of fact, Hamas, whom everyone criticizes -- the fact is that Hamas, since August of 2004, has not committed a single act of terrorism that cost an Israeli life, not a single one.





                        Accepting Hamas' victory
                        JUDY WOODRUFF: President Carter, people would listen to what you're saying here, and they would read your book, and they would say, "He's putting the onus here on the Israelis." And many would return that by saying, "But wait a minute. It's the Palestinians who continue to fire rockets into Israeli land. It's the Palestinians who have kidnapped Israeli soldiers. It's the Palestinians that continue to perpetuate terrorist acts against the Israelis."

                        JIMMY CARTER: Sure, that's what you say, and that's the general consensus in the United States. The fact is that, when the Palestinians dug under the Israeli wall from Gaza and captured the Israeli soldier, one soldier, at that time, Israel was holding 9,200 Palestinians prisoner, including 300 children, almost 300, 293 children, some of them 12 years old, and holding almost 100 women prisoner.

                        And immediately, the Palestinians who took that soldier said, "We want to swap this soldier for some of our women and children." And the Israelis rejected that proposal and refused to swap at all with the Palestinians in the West Bank. That was the key to the issue.

                        So it's right that the Palestinians took a soldier, which they should release. But for Israel to keep 9,000 Palestinians and not release any of them is something that you don't mention in the question, and it's generally not even known in this country.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: And we want to give you the opportunity to give that side of the story...

                        JIMMY CARTER: That's why I wrote the book.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: ... as well, and that's why we're here talking to you about it.

                        JIMMY CARTER: I know.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: But what would you say, President Carter, to the Israeli public who would, again, listen to what you're saying, and they would say, "Wait a minute. You're asking us to put our faith in a people, in a government that doesn't even recognize our right to exist?" Isn't that the posture of the Hamas government and the Palestinian territories?

                        JIMMY CARTER: Well, we were there -- the Carter Center was there, and we monitored the election in January when Hamas did win a victory. They won 42 percent of the vote. It was an open, free, fair, safe election, as certified by the Carter Center, and National Democratic Institute, and the European Union observers. Nobody questioned the integrity of it.

                        That was an expression of will by the Palestinian people on whom they wanted to serve in their parliament. Well, at that time, I thought that this would be a matter of a unity government. But immediately, the United States and Israel said, "We will not accept a government that has Hamas leaders in it."

                        And so, as a result of that, all financial aid to the entire population of Palestine was cut off just because they expressed their will in a free vote. And as a matter of fact, Hamas, whom everyone criticizes -- the fact is that Hamas, since August of 2004, has not committed a single act of terrorism that cost an Israeli life, not a single one.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: I think many Americans would be surprised to hear that.

                        JIMMY CARTER: I know. They would be surprised, but it's an actual fact. And Hamas...

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                        • #57
                          Recognizing Israel
                          JUDY WOODRUFF: But what about not recognizing Israel's right to exist?

                          JIMMY CARTER: The day after the election, I went and met with Mahmoud Abbas, who is the leader of the Palestinians. He's their president. He's the head of the PLO, which is the only organization, by the way, that the United States or Israel recognizes, the PLO, in which there's not a single Hamas member. Hamas has nothing to do with the PLO.

                          And after I met with Abbas to talk about a unity government, which he rejected, then I met with a Hamas leader. He's a medical doctor who was elected. He's now in prison, by the way. But he said -- when I insisted that they recognize Israel, he said, "Mr. President, which Israel are you talking about? Are you talking about the Israel that's occupying our land? Are you talking about the Israel that has built a wall around our people? Are you talking about an Israel that deprives us of basic human rights to move from one place to another in our own land?" He said, "We can't recognize that Israel."

                          But later, the prime minister of the Hamas government, Haniyeh, said, "We are strongly in favor of direct talks between Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the PLO and the head of the government, and the prime minister of Israel, Olmert." And he said, "If they reach an agreement in their discussions that's acceptable to the Palestinian people, we will accept it, also. Hamas will."

                          Those things are not even known in this country; they're a matter of record.

                          JUDY WOODRUFF: And you're saying that, if the U.S. doesn't get involved, then...

                          JIMMY CARTER: Then there won't be much progress. You know, it's been proven in the past that some outside group needs to get involved. And in 1978 and '79, I got involved and negotiated a peace treaty between Israel and its only formidable opponent, that is Egypt.

                          In 2003, the Norwegians concluded an agreement, the Oslo Agreement. In both cases, the Israeli leaders won the Nobel Peace Prize for adopting the principles that Israel would withdraw from the territory in order to get peace. That has been abandoned now under the last three leaders of Israel.

                          And as I said earlier, a majority of Israelis, in every public opinion poll that's been done since 1967, have favored exchanging the confiscated Palestinian land for peace. But there's a small minority in Israel, a substantial minority, that says we would prefer the land, and we will not relinquish it in order to get peace.







                          Jimmy Carter
                          Former U.S. President

                          The main obstacle for their full support of the United States now in Iraq and other places is because we have not shown any interest for the last six years in alleviating the horrible plight of the Palestinians.





                          Effect on situation in Iraq
                          JUDY WOODRUFF: Very quick final question about Iraq. Can you have peace in Iraq without fixing the Israeli-Palestinian problem, or is it vice versa? Do you must -- you first need to fix Iraq?

                          JIMMY CARTER: There is no way to separate the two. President Bush is over there now trying to harness supporters among the moderate Arabs. He just was in Jordan, and in Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and others that I need not name right now.

                          To get them to support us enthusiastically in Iraq means that he's going to have to alleviate their deep concern and their animosity -- with less than 5 percent of Jordanians and Egyptians looking with favor on our government -- because the main obstacle for their full support of the United States now in Iraq and other places is because we have not shown any interest for the last six years in alleviating the horrible plight of the Palestinians.

                          We've made no effort in the last six years to bring peace to Israel or to their adjacent neighbors, the Palestinians.

                          JUDY WOODRUFF: President Jimmy Carter, with some passionately held views. We thank you very much for being with us on the NewsHour. We appreciate it.

                          JIMMY CARTER: I always enjoy being with you and on the NewsHour.

                          JUDY WOODRUFF: Thank you very much.

                          JIMMY CARTER: It's a pleasure.

                          JUDY WOODRUFF: Good to see you.

                          JIMMY CARTER: Thanks, Judy.

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                          • #58
                            why should i have some sympathies towards Israelians ? did they loose anything ? are their people killed everyday . . .
                            dont think so !

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                            • #59
                              Suicide bombing thwarted by IDF troops

                              IDF soldiers arrested on Saturday two young Palestinians who were involved in planning a suicide attack in Israeli territory, sources revealed on Sunday morning.

                              Osama Zabah, 19, and Ahmad Tahama, 21, were caught at a checkpoint west of Jenin and were detained for further interrogation.

                              Meanwhile, Egyptian security forces began a large-scale search throughout Sinai on Saturday, after four Palestinian terrorists suspected of planning attacks against Israelis infiltrated the Egyptian peninsula through the Rafah Crossing.

                              Israeli security forces continue to prevent many would-be Palestinian terror attacks in Israel nearly daily. In late September, the IDF thwarted a major suicide attack when it killed at least three Palestinian gunmen during a raid in Nablus's Balata refugee camp.

                              "This was part of a series of pressure raids we are carrying out in the city of Nablus and its surroundings," the deputy commander of the Paratrooper Brigade's Battalion 101, Maj. Meir, said at the time. "There is no doubt that we thwarted a major terrorist attack."

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                              • #60
                                Israel said Monday that it will step down its arrest operations in the West Bank, although it will not expand a ceasefire that took effect in the Gaza Strip one week ago.

                                Israel wants to avoid military actions that can be used as an "excuse" for carrying out suicide bombings, Deputy Defence Minister Ephraim Sneh said.

                                The Israel Defence Forces will nevertheless continue to foil attacks without concessions, he told Israel Radio.

                                Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's security cabinet decided after lengthy deliberations late Sunday against expanding the Gaza truce, accepting a recommendation by military officials.

                                But the cabinet, which consists of a dozen senior ministers, decided that arrests in the West Bank now need the authorization of more senior commanders, a decision they hoped would reduce tensions threatening to disrupt the fragile Gaza truce.

                                Israel has since the current Palestinian Intifada (uprising) broken out six years ago carried out almost nightly arrests of suspected militants throughout the West Bank. It says that its army has thus foiled scores of suicide bombings.

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