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    Sandrine Folet and Lucas Titouh have two children, a stylish Paris apartment and a 15-year-old partnership.

    They have no intention of getting married.


    "We don't feel the need to get married," said Folet, 36, who has known Titouh, 40, since she was a teenager. "I don't know many people in our age group who are married."

    In France, the country that evokes more images of romance than perhaps any other, marriage has increasingly fallen out of favor. Growing numbers of couples are choosing to raise children, buy homes and build family lives without religious or civil approval of their partnerships. In the past generation, the French marriage rate has plunged more than 30 percent, even as population and birthrates have been rising.

    "Marriage doesn't have the same importance as it used to," said France Prioux, who directs research on changing social trends for France's National Institute of Demographic Studies. "It will never become as frequent as it once was."

    Marriage is in decline across much of northern Europe, from Scandinavia to France, a pattern some sociologists describe as a "soft revolution" in European society -- a generational shift away from Old World traditions and institutions toward a greater emphasis on personal independence.

    But French couples are abandoning the formality of marriage faster than most of their European neighbors and far more rapidly than their American counterparts: French marriage rates are 45 percent below U.S. figures. In 2004, the most recent year for which figures are available, the marriage rate in France was 4.3 per 1,000 people, compared with 5.1 in the United Kingdom and 7.8 in the United States. The only European countries with rates lower than France's were Belgium, at 4.1, and Slovenia, with 3.3.

    The trend in France is driven by a convergence of social transitions in both the demographic and cultural landscapes, including this generation's nearly universal estrangement from religion, especially the Catholic Church; massive migration to urban areas, where young adults are more independent from their families; and a society that has become not only tolerant but supportive of personal choice in lifestyles.



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    The tax breaks the French government offers married couples, which are not as substantial as U.S. marriage tax reductions, are not enough to persuade most cohabitating couples to formalize their relationships. In France, the greatest financial and tax incentives target the number of children a couple has rather than the parents' marital status.

    A small but growing number of couples are taking advantage of a new law recognizing "civil partnerships," which provides for legal recognition of a couple but stops short of the entanglements of a marriage pact. And some couples have married after their children are grown, because although the law provides equal inheritance for children born in or out of wedlock, unwed partners are not automatically entitled to inherit property after the death of a companion.

    Contrary to predictions three decades ago, when the marital downslide began, French family social structures have not disintegrated. Instead, society has accepted and embraced changing attitudes. French law stopped distinguishing between children born in or out of wedlock more than 30 years ago.

    "Now it's not looked down upon," Folet said, settling onto a snow-white dining chair in her living room as a dozen flickering candles held off the dusk of a recent autumn evening. "You don't have any pressure."

    Folet, the vivacious, brown-eyed daughter of parents who were restaurateurs, met Titouh, the striking, ebony-haired son of a grocery shop owner, as a teenager in the eastern Paris suburb of Bagnolet, where both families lived. They became friends, and friendship flowered into romance.

    But Folet's family moved to Brittany in search of a more lucrative restaurant, and the teenage sweethearts separated. Unable to find a job after she graduated from high school, Folet returned to Paris in search of work.

    Folet not only found work, but with the help of friends she reconnected with Titouh. After a few months, the two moved into a small apartment together. Nine years later, she became pregnant with their first child, Tom, now 6. Their daughter, Lola, is 2 1/2 .

    "It was different for my parents," said Folet, who is model-thin and frequently flashes a warm smile that melts the sharp contours of her face. "You had to get married to have a child."

    She looked up as Titouh, a wiry man with a thick stubble and eyes the color of rich coffee, arrived home -- apologetically late -- from his job as an engraver at an office stationery shop.

    Lola, clutching a stuffed rabbit gray with wear, padded out of the bedroom and clambered onto his lap.

    Titouh pondered the reasons that sociologists and other experts have offered for the decline of marriage: rejection of religion, a breakdown in society, a "me first" generation reluctant to make long-term commitments.

    None of that is true, he said. He paused, then added slowly, "Well, for me, there is a rejection of religion."


    Both Folet and Titouh credit their parents' generation for laying the foundation for the social shifts of the newer generation. Folet said her parents were under pressure from their parents not only to marry in the church but to have their children baptized as Catholic. Her parents were lukewarm: They baptized Folet but bucked tradition and never baptized her sister, born four years later.

    "Now parents are evolving," Titouh said. "They're not forcing their children to get married."

    The couple said none of their parents has ever raised the question of marriage with them or made a comment about their unmarried status. Their children carry Titouh's family name.

    Marriage is not an issue they discuss with each other. They don't necessarily oppose it; their feelings are much more ambivalent than that.

    "I don't see how marriage would bring any more to our union as a couple," Folet said. "It doesn't take away anything, it doesn't bring anything."

    That is not to say there aren't occasional awkward social moments, especially during introductions to strangers.

    "Saying, 'This is my friend or my companion,' doesn't say you've been together as long as we have," Titouh said. "So I say, 'This is my wife,' not to have problems."

    "When you say 'husband' and 'wife,' it's more concrete," Folet conceded. "More like a real couple, not a relationship in passing."

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    • #3
      Really Interesting Stuff! But do people think it will fit our iranian way of living?
      نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


      صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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      • #4
        eshgh osluan ye cheeze aflatuniye va ezdevaj deege maanash shode eshgh ro sakhtan ya takmeel kardan. banabar een vaghti mozuhaye siasi kamtar beshe va mantegh beeyad tu kar, momkene lifestyle Irani-ha be tarafe eshgh bedune ezdevaj bere
        Take him and cut him out in little stars,
        and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
        that all the world will be in love with night,
        and pay no worship to the garish sun

        - Shakespeare

        "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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        • #5
          interesting joubin!

          Maybe not in this generation but it will be ok in iran too soon!
          نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


          صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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          • #6
            Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
            Really Interesting Stuff! But do people think it will fit our iranian way of living?
            I think the right question is,Our iranian way in life is correct or not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RedWine View Post
              I think the right question is,Our iranian way in life is correct or not.
              or perhaps both are important question because we can't enforce idealism without practicality??
              Take him and cut him out in little stars,
              and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
              that all the world will be in love with night,
              and pay no worship to the garish sun

              - Shakespeare

              "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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              • #8
                Originally posted by joubin View Post
                or perhaps both are important question because we can't enforce idealism without practicality??
                Idealism in Iran ? uff... yes Sir... You said it well !

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                • #9
                  This is Foundation of marriage. but who respect it ?...


                  The straightforward answer to your question comes if I address to you another question, "What has man-woman love got to do with your marriage relationship?"

                  As Christians/Muslim (any Religion), we have the love of God and in marriage we have a covenant commitment and spiritual union together. Once you rest things on that foundation everything else will start to come together.

                  In the meantime, keep yourself in the love of God and use prayer as your means of bringing God's grace and peace onto the scene of your marriage.


                  Now.. is not better L'Amour Without Marriage ?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
                    I think the right question is,Our iranian way in life is correct or not.
                    jorat dari in soalo az baba mamanet bepors of course iranian way of living is dorost
                    نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                    صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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                    • #11
                      You actually think that two poeple can bring children .. live under one roof . .be faithful . . but not get married ?

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                      • #12
                        Marriage is an institution, a legal contract and a (mostly) religious tradition. It is greatly depends on the width and hieght of cultural coordnates of each society. Eventhough the communication is at its peek, yet the cultural differences are huge. The idealism of eastern cultures tries to hang on its stones and its biggest nightmare is re - evaluation or change.

                        On the other hand the western materialism, justifies every aim by its means. They even sometimes change things, just because its is different, not because it is necessary.

                        I know Iranians abroad who live with a native of that country without being married to her/him, and vice versa. So, is it the geography which rules? or what?

                        The problem in my opinion is us as Ashrafeh Makhlooghat (!?) Why should we be so unstable, dependent and week?, why should we be so scared and poor, that each time anybody or anything touches our beliefs, then we get scared and run away like a donkey that has received some NH3CaOH.?

                        There is nobody who teaches us that: I decide what is right or wrong for me, not anybody else or culture or tradition or Vali or Vasi or a book or, you name it. I even go to extreme and say; without my beliefs and faith even God doesn't exist (of course for me). The same thing as Albert Eistein said: without soldiers a General or colonel means nothing

                        Man from day 1. Has built, created or brought rules, instructions and institutions to this world to make it better or easier, but later on in the shadow of His own vanity and possesion thirstiness, he has become the prisoner of His own hand made chains.

                        Am I a psymistic person? no. Listen to this! it is not from me:

                        Chains are not real as long as you do not believe on them.

                        Peace
                        Last edited by NightOwl; 11-29-2006, 07:31 AM. Reason: spelling
                        YOU! Wake up.

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                        • #13
                          Yes every culture has its own way of reacting to marriage .. but why do people consider being married as you being chained to the person ? i mean it makes no sense . . if i dont want the person then i wont marry him . . its simply !
                          back in times. . yes girls were forced. . .but now both sexes are free. . .Why do we think that marriage is a cage ? when the real definition is that marriage is a devotion to the person who you will build not just your family .. but your life .. .

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                          • #14
                            Well, if you live in a traditional-reactionary society, then, to get divorsed is hell of a sin and mostly for women. Just look for example the price of getting divorced, specially for women
                            YOU! Wake up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NightOwl View Post
                              Well, if you live in a traditional-reactionary society, then, to get divorsed is hell of a sin and mostly for women. Just look for example the price of getting divorced, specially for women


                              traditional-reactionary society ? where ? You mean Iran ? Hahaha.. I don't think so my friend ! Iran is not like that anymore !

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