Democratization of Islam

[donsaeid]

[Inquisitor]

[zubin]

But isn't there a little God in everyone?

[Inquisitor]

But isn't there a little God in everyone?

[Borzo]

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If one of the concept of trinity had to be removed, then it is no longer Catholicism

حال پرسش بنده از شما اینست که در آیین اسلام بر طبق آیهء قرآنی گرفتن ربا حرام است؛ چگونه در دنیای امروز میتوان اقتصادی برقرار نمود که از ربا صرف نظر شود؟ اصول اقتصادی برای برقراری دموکراسی غیر قابل انکار است.
توجه بفرمایید که در کشورهای اسلامی بانکها ربا خوارند آنجا هم که میگویند خیر نام آن را عوض کرده اند مثلاً سرویس بانکی و غیرو. آیا این گفته یا نوشتهء شما که من در اینجا نقل کردم در مورد اسلام هم سازگار است؟
با سپاس
برزو

[mike435]

West invented nationalism, communism, secular democracy, etc… all based on something other than God, seeking unity that can never become universal. Today Christianity and Judaism are the corpses of the past dynamic and live religions; Islam is the real challenge.

Islam does not need to reform or adopt any ideology out of those man-made systems.

in regards to nationalism
what do you call the persian empire
jews baisicly from begening of time and there covanat of jeruslam that goes back 3000 years
fusinism of japan

all east and Asia

i psted this before i read your other post

and in regards to reform offcourse islam needs to reform especialy if it wants to live in todays socioty especialy western were plurlism is in use.

[mike435]

Communism is very obvious and you know their thoughts toward the "God"
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Remember that Allah (swt) is the highest of all, in Islam freedom and everything else is lower than God. We cannot worship freedom like some people do in the west!

We know that human was created to worship and know God, if it is not the one God that you are worshiping something else.
worship is not limited to a particular time and place! Worship of something means to love and to follow and step towards that thing! for instance to worship power, money, fame, flag...

It will be a long discussion ..... I better stop now

Inshallah my next post will be regarding Islam and Secular Democracy and why we oppose it ?

Wassalam

see this is why i think islam needs refor the notion that because islam true nothing else can simoltaniously excist

and i know even thogh most muslims dont belive this but at core this is what it comes down to

why cant freedom be worshiped by those who want to and those who want to worship all-ah worship with in the scope of freedom which allowes theme
but you cant have it the other way you cant have freedom or other things with in the scope of islamic law and costume

take this anology say you want to practice humanity

why cant humanity be humanity by itself
why does humanity have to be with in the scope of islam

look islam did somthing recolutionary it acknoladged other relligions but now it needs to accept that they could excist as well with our harming islam

also one good thing and bad thing about islam is that
as long as you are a muslim all and every barrier is broken and suddenly you are part this huge unity
but what aabout others who dont want to be part of it

this is why i like secular freedom so much with in its scope everything else is accepted to exsit.

[Inquisitor]

in regards to nationalism
what do you call the persian empire
jews baisicly from begening of time and there covanat of jeruslam that goes back 3000 years
fusinism of japan

all east and Asia

i psted this before i read your other post .

[Inquisitor]

in regards to reform offcourse islam needs to reform especialy if it wants to live in todays socioty especialy western were plurlism is in use.

[Inquisitor]

also one good thing and bad thing about islam .

These are all black and white issues, no gray. Only one side is true.

God willing, I'll answer rest of your posts later if time permits

[Inquisitor]

Responding Mike435

why cant freedom be worshiped by those who want to and those who want to worship all-ah worship with in the scope of freedom which allowes theme
but you cant have it the other way you cant have freedom or other things with in the scope of islamic law and costume

take this anology say you want to practice humanity

why cant humanity be humanity by itself
why does humanity have to be with in the scope of islam

This is what you are talking about:
Line A ++++++++++++++++++ (+)
Line B ----------------------- (-)Line A (+) +++++++++++++++++++ (-)

look islam did somthing recolutionary it acknoladged other relligions but now it needs to accept that they could excist as well with our harming islam
this is why i like secular freedom so much with in its scope everything else is accepted to exsit.

So what you are saying is that Democracy brings many different opposing ideas and tries to keep them together in peace, even though some of them must be false! Is that right?

Wassalam

[Inquisitor]

Salam

Any comments/questiones are welcome in English, farsi, Arabic and Turkish, but I will answer them in English because many people cannot read/write Farsi or understand Farsi.

It depends on how you use that money. If both parties are agree with each other and sign an agreement (ofcourse there will be no harm to ordinary people in any way), then there is no problem.

By the way, this Democracy that you talk about is not part of our ideology. Liberal Democracy of West and Islam oppose each other in many cases.

Next time, provide me the verse and be more clear, I 'll be happy to discuss it with you

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حال پرسش بنده از شما اینست که در آیین اسلام بر طبق آیهء قرآنی گرفتن ربا حرام است؛ چگونه در دنیای امروز میتوان اقتصادی برقرار نمود که از ربا صرف نظر شود؟ اصول اقتصادی برای برقراری دموکراسی غیر قابل انکار است.
توجه بفرمایید که در کشورهای اسلامی بانکها ربا خوارند آنجا هم که میگویند خیر نام آن را عوض کرده اند مثلاً سرویس بانکی و غیرو. آیا این گفته یا نوشتهء شما که من در اینجا نقل کردم در مورد اسلام هم سازگار است؟
با سپاس
برزو

[mike435]

You are a Jewish not a muslim. Do you really want the best for your people or you really care about Muslims ???



Wassalam

for me this is how it is

i dont care what anyone else studies or learns




i care when i see anykined of belife wether be jewish islam chrisitianity or worshiping the devil
if any of theme start to harm socioty by taking human rights a way
it pices me off when i see in the name of g-d a guys hand is cut off
or in the name of relligion a girl is stoned

[mike435]

This is what you are talking about:


So what you are saying is that Democracy brings many different opposing ideas and tries to keep them together in peace, even though some of them must be false! Is that right?

Wassalam

imagin democrocy as rocky road icecream

one base but many diffrent sepreat flavors that live together thats what i think democrocy is

i mean look at the beuty of america when you can a as religious as you want to be as long you keep it to your self

[Inquisitor]

for me this is how it is

i dont care what anyone else studies or learns

i care when i see anykined of belife wether be jewish islam chrisitianity or worshiping the devil

What is the true freedom? Freedom in unity or freedom in division and individualism?

I asked that once ^^ no body answered

if any of theme start to harm socioty by taking human rights a way
it pices me off when i see in the name of g-d a guys hand is cut off
or in the name of relligion a girl is stoned