Human Species 'May Split In Two'

[abadani69]

rahat baashid jigar. vali ino bedoonid ke har cheghadr ham raje be zibai harf bezanid hanooz khodam az hamatoon khoshgeltaram

[zubin]

hahaha. khosham omad. daset dard nakone aziz. Faghat movazeb bash momkene Nilofar ham ye javabi behet bede!

[zubin]

but do you agree that there are some universal beuties

see i think what joubin is saying that we like buty becuase we are told to like it and that is why we like it and you said that to

i think that regardless of enviormet naturaly we would like some aspects that we fined beutiful regardless of letsay big neck means better offspiring so i fined big necks beutiful

i thik there are some instances that we fine beuty for the sake of buty somthing is beutiful because it is beutiful nothing else

I think this is a great addition to the discussion, and for me almost completes the deal.

I do believe there is a pure beauty that exists objectively regardless of culture, and that this is something that can be found in every person. How I see it is that there is beauty and then there is beauty. My main point is that that objective beauty is not what people mean when they say beauty these days, and people are referring to mainly artificial, inaccurate and perhaps even cruel notions of beauty that are taught by media/capitalist Western culture.

How beauty is defined is through understanding, and there is empirical support for this. People find people who they understand to be attractive, but they think it is the looks of that person, not the understanding of that person, which has made them attracted. If you've heard of heuristics which there is like an infinate amount of evidence for, this mistake falls nicely into the heuristics evidence as well. It also works well with the observation that people find media representations as attractive, as media representations come with clarity and confidence that assist the understanding of that type of person, even assist in a person understanding themself and presenting him/herself more confidently and clearly.

There are evolutionary reasons for why understanding someone should be a source of attraction. If you don't understand someone, they pose a threat as their relation to you and seeing them as less attractive would signal that threat perfectly.

[mike435]

I think this is a great addition to the discussion, and for me almost completes the deal.

I do believe there is a pure beauty that exists objectively regardless of culture. How I see it is that there is beauty and then there is beauty. My main point is that that objective beauty is not what people mean when they say beauty these days, and people are referring to mainly artificial, inaccurate and perhaps even cruel notions of beauty that are taught by media/capitalist Western culture.

you have some points but not totaly
their are still many buties that arnt fake

[zubin]

you have some points but not totaly
their are still many buties that arnt fake

Mike, please pay just a little more attention to our posts. Honestly about half the time you misinterpret them, and I think that is one reason why abadani69 has complained against us on these forums. I never said all beauties are fake, and in fact I acknowledged that there is such a thing as "objective beauty that everyone has". My main point is that when regular people as well as today's psychologists talk about beauty, they are behind on the times and are referring to an erroneuous conception of beauty not the objective beauty that really exists.

I also edited post #33 to include a fuller explanation. Its really simple. You find what you understand attractive. Everyone can be understood but some more easily than others due to the cruel social darwinism that is enforced through Western media/culture.

Please try to respond to this without reading too much into it or misinterpreting it unless you think quantity is more important than quality.

[mike435]

cool
so i no longer have any objections or buts to it
so does this mean we are agreeing



wow is this what it feels like to be in agreement a feeling i havnt felt in a long time with joubin

intresting

[zubin]

Mike chakereem. But we are missing the other part of our bermuda triangle here. If we come to agreement on the topic with golgol as well, we should have like some kind of party or something! I'm sure abadani69 and everyone else will be happy as well. We'll invite them and have a big bash. (but no pressure Nilofar)

[mike435]

oh yea offcourse
cant wait for golgol to come and respond

[golgol85]

Dear Arman,
Mike and I are not arguing, we are exchanging ideas and we are keeping with the topics of each thread. Ramin is right, the three of us like to sit and talk about different things, its fun i suggest you join too, the more the merrier!

The way i interpret what Ramin is saying is that beauty has to do more with understanding the person rather than the physical outer appearance. Someone that we know better is better looking or more attractive than someone we dont know. I agree with you here. We all tend to make monsters out of those we dont like, and our interactions with them is what leads to our initial judgement that we dont like them. The people we dont like are never seen as "attractive" or beautiful in our eyes.

This goes along with heros and villains in stories: we usually bond more and know more about the hero and the villian is left to be more mysterious. The appearance of the hero is better than the villian in that there is something comfortable about the hero that makes most of us side with and empathize with the hero.

khob pesara, party key hastesh?

[zubin]

i think this is scrap..total nonsense. human race will be exterminated by themselves in the near future...thats sure.

interesting prediction. have you ever heard of the self-fulfilling prophecy? this means that when you make a prediction it actually comes true and my honest estimate is that about half of human behavior is influenced by SFP. Like you tell someone is a criminal and they become one. You tell someone they are not good in math they become bad in math and so on. That's why, even there is a chance of the world destructing itself, saying it is dangerous. Although, ignoring the danger is also dangerous, but there is no need to ignore the danger and acknowledging dangers while not making SFP's solves the problem.

Although, ofcourse, I don't know the source of your statement.

[zubin]

Dear Arman,
Mike and I are not arguing, we are exchanging ideas and we are keeping with the topics of each thread. Ramin is right, the three of us like to sit and talk about different things, its fun i suggest you join too, the more the merrier!

The way i interpret what Ramin is saying is that beauty has to do more with understanding the person rather than the physical outer appearance. Someone that we know better is better looking or more attractive than someone we dont know. I agree with you here. We all tend to make monsters out of those we dont like, and our interactions with them is what leads to our initial judgement that we dont like them. The people we dont like are never seen as "attractive" or beautiful in our eyes.

This goes along with heros and villains in stories: we usually bond more and know more about the hero and the villian is left to be more mysterious. The appearance of the hero is better than the villian in that there is something comfortable about the hero that makes most of us side with and empathize with the hero.

khob pesara, party key hastesh?

hahaha. Kheyli khub shod. eeshala bezudi ye partye hesabi meezaneem. any suggestions?

[abadani69]

man zang mizanam monkerat biyan shoma ro begiran ke mikhaid party begirid

[golgol85]

im openminded when it comes to partying

[zubin]

ok, great, then can I expect you and Mike to come to Vancouver for the holidays? I'll promise you guys a very, very mashti party on top of Grouse Mountain with music and Kabab

also, I just had to get this out. That's a big milkshake you have there. The question is, will it ever end?

[golgol85]

haha, i cant speak for mike, but i wont be doing much traveling since the MCATS have been calling me for sometime. they left their calling card
Mike might be able to join, and then you can put me on the line and we can 3 way about any topic you guys feel like discussing. your invitation is so beautiful though, yade iran mano mindazeh.

about the milkshake, its was a gift and since i am a sharing person, you are more than welcome to have some too.