Are Iranians Really Aryans?

[mike435]

what diffrence does it make

[zubin]

vay vay. in hendia chi migan dige vase khodeshoon?

joubin jan oonai ke blue eye hastan hamashoon ya bazigaran ya khanande. oonam faghat 10 nafar bishtar nistan. vagarna ma too adam mamooliashoon ye doone khoshgel ham inja nemibinim.


vali khosham oomad Saeid. khoob zadi behesh.

tu hendi? agar hame jaye hend narafti az koja meeduni? omeedvaram eenja racist bazi nabashe... avalan hendi-ha khoshgel daran, baadam... cheshm aabi maanaye khoshgel budan neest. maskhare-tar az een harf nemeeshod be khoda...

omid varam ke khub zade basham behet.

[indian_blues]

ok the content im posting here was taken from worldaffarisboard forum. thanks Aryaramnaes.

The whole ARYAN concept, was a product of European nationalism, and was popularized by Max Mueller, a Missionary after he did a 'translation' of the Vedas.
He later made a statement in which he said the word Aryan is not a racial term. In Sanskrit Arya means - noble.. of high morals, gentleman. The whole Aryan controversy started after a European with little understanding of the 'complex' nature of the sanskrit language, and the metaphoric allusions of Indian mythology and religocity --- translated the vedas.. and from then on the fantasy of the 'Aryan' Knights - the warlike hordes that destroyed the Indus valley and went on a rampage across asia was created.

The Source of the word Aryan - is from the Vedas. The Vedas use the word Aryan to describe someone who is noble - they also use to describe VEDIC CIVILIZATION as Arya. In the Ramayan Epic - Lord Ram has been called an Arya - Hence my name Aryaramnaes(Hellenized). A more general usage of the word Arya is someone .. or people who follow the Vedic way of life - with rituals and all and abide by them strictly. The Northern part of India... the area along the Saraswati river and the Sindhu(Indus) river has always been known as Aryavarta - It also extended into Afghanistan and parts of Central Asia where Aryavarta included several Kingdoms - Bharatvarsh(Northern india), Gandhara(Afg), Kamboj(Central Asia) -- all of these kingdoms were Vedic, sanskrit speaking and could be called Aryan by virtue of their strict adherance to the Vedic Religion.

The Indus valley civilization is a misnomer. The real term to describe the civilization is Saraswati-Sindhu civilization. Indus valley was coined prematurely by the British archaelogist who discovered the first few major settlements on the banks of the river Indus. Later archaelogy has revealed the MAJOR cities of the civilzation lie on the now dry Saraswati river which has been mentioned again and again as a holy river in the Vedas- esp the Rig Veda which is the oldest. The latest discovery being the City of DWARKA(Carbon Dated -7500 BC) - which also legitimizes the Mahabharat. Vedic Symbols have been found allover cities in the Saraswari-Sindhu Civilization.

The whole Aryan Invasion Theory has been completely discredited and I welcome anyone who wants to challenge it. The British never took the time to seriously look into Indian History or give credit to Indians for anything 'intellectual'
When they came across the Indusvalley they were stupified --- on top of that the vedas were so profound and written with such depth that they could not attribute both these things to the Indians. So they brought they're christian 'scholars' to do translations -- and they invented the Aryan Invasion Theory -- Its like having Hindu Scholars examine the Bible and then claim that the Bible was actually the work of Hindu Priests.

Pakistanis are NOT Aryan - they are Islamic - and have desisted from adhering to any Vedic rituals -- so by no means can they claim themselves to be Aryan. Pakistanis are a mix of Iranians, Mongols, Turks etc.. and have lost that link to Vedic India thousands of years ago.

Oh and please dont claim the Iranians have anything to do with Aryans.The Iranians and Indians used to be Vedic, untill a serious philosiphical and political dispute.. and the Iranians adopted the mirror image of vedic religion. Their Demon was Indra (Vedic God).. Their God was Ahura Mazda(Vedic Asura Demon).. and their Devas were the bad guys, and for the Vedic people Devas were the good guys....They completely became a Heretic rogue faction of Vedic society and lost the 'Aryan' culture.

[donsaeid]

ahura mazda is a demon?

how sick is that!

for me races dont have any meaning because pure race doesnt exist anymore!

and yes north part of india has alot of beauties!

[Rasputin]

[Rasputin]

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[Rasputin]

[1] Harmatta, J., "History of Sarmatians", Budapest (1950), p.3.

[2] Iranians are credited with being probably the first people to recognise the concept of nationhood, and to assume a proper national identity, which incredibly, has survived until the present day as Iran.

[3] e.g., DSe29, Kent, R., "Old Persian", New Haven (1953), p.141.

[4] Gardiner-Garden, J.R., "Ktesias on Early Central Asian History and Ethnography", Bloomington (1987), p.9-10.

[5] Szemerényi, O., "Four Old Iranian Ethnic Names: SCYTHIAN - SKUDRA - SOGDIAN - SAKA", Vienna (1980).

[6] There is also a wealth of familiar names in many different languages which owe their origins to the word SKUDA; well known amongst them are USKUDAR in Istanbul, SOGDIA in Central Asia, and SAKAVAND and SISTAN in modern Iran; see Zsemerényi, op. cit.

[7] Believed to have resulted from a misreading of an original Hebrew "waw" as a "nun"; see n.4 above; it is noteworthy that the other Jewish racial designation, Saphardic, has also a strong Iranian association; it derives from the Lydio/Persian word Spherda/Sparda, i.e., the Greek Sardis.

[8] e.g., Ammianus Marcellinus, XXX.2.21.

[9] Mair, V.H., "Mummies of the Tarim Basin", "Archaeology" vol.48, no.2, Mar & Apr 1995, pp.28-35.

[10] Anthony, D.W., & Vinogradov, N.B., "Birth of the Chariot", "Archaeology" op. cit., pp.36-41, esp. p.38. Litauer, M.A., & Grouwel, J.H., "The Origin of the True Chariot", "Antiquity" vol.70, No.270, Dec. 1996, pp.934-939.

[11] Rolle, Renate, "The world of the Scythians", London NY (1989).

[12] Seneca, Thyestes.

[13] Rostovtzeff, M.I., "Iranians and Greeks in South Russia", Oxford (1922), p.237.

[14] Bachrach, B.S., "A History of the Alans in the West", UMP (1973), pp. 92, 102,107.

[15] op. cit., pp.88-91.

[16] op. cit., pp.118-119.

[17] Jesse, G.R., "Researches into the History of the British Dogs" II, (London 1886), pp.80-84, 116-118.

[Rasputin]

[Rasputin]

[indian_blues]

lol wat do u mean north india has lots of beauties? u meant aish and bollywood actresses?

yes Asura means demon. Political dispute happened between people in vedic period the people who split from india(iranians) worshiped asuras and the indians worshiped devas. It's a pure political dispute rather than religious. it was long ago and there nothing to be wrong with.

s there are no pure races exist anymore. my point is Aryans never invaded Iran or India and they never came from Germany.

[donsaeid]

lol wat do u mean north india has lots of beauties? u meant aish and bollywood actresses?

yes Asura means demon. Political dispute happened between people in vedic period the people who split from india(iranians) worshiped asuras and the indians worshiped devas. It's a pure political dispute rather than religious. it was long ago and there nothing to be wrong with.

s there are no pure races exist anymore. my point is Aryans never invaded Iran or India and they never came from Germany.

read what siamak wrote!

aryans came from Sibir! one tribe went to europe (germany) and one came down to asia(iran)

[mike435]

ahura mazda is a demon?

how sick is that!

for me races dont have any meaning because pure race doesnt exist anymore!

and yes north part of india has alot of beauties!

humans are humans
there is no such a thing as "race"

given any population it will have the same amount atributes in all fields

[donsaeid]

no!

there is always stereotypes!

[mike435]

no!

there is always stereotypes!

true stereo types excist that is what culture is
what stereotype do you share with the aryans of iran?

and if you say no that are you saying that diffrent groups of people will have genetic prejudice to be inclined or declined in a cretin field

i mean a culture could creat a more inviting enviorment for one attributr to be better harnaced than a another

but end of the day ever group shares the same avarages.