Why some people are Homosexual?

[Rasputin]

Last week i had a nice discussion with some sociolog profesor from France and U.K and i ask them ,why some people are homosexual?! They told me:42% say it is "just the way that some people prefer to live," compared with 30% who think homosexuality is something people are born with and 14% who believe it develops because of the way people are brought up. The view that homosexuality is innate is more prevalent now than in 1985, when 20% believed that homosexuality is something people are born with.

What do you think about that !? we are moslems and can we have good opinion about homo/lesb ppl in our society?

we had a thread about Homosexuality! but wasn't intresting one discussion !

Thx Guys .

[Cop]

ok i can't vote chon be nazare man hammeye inha bayad bashan ke shakhs GAY or Lesbian beshe
aval ke be donya mian ok hormoonhashoon fargh mikone
bad ke mikhan bozorg shan age dar mohiti por az dokhtaro naz nazo bozorg she o ziad chize mardooneye dar zendegish nabshe
va akhar vaghti ke bozorgtar mishe va entekhab mikone ke gay/lesbian bashe va injor zendegisho edame bede

[ProudPersian]

ppl are born with it. Did you or I choose to like women, No, neither did they choose to like women. They were just born that way.

[jjbb]

In my opinion this is the way people choose to live their life because of many reasons such as past experience,.......This gives them the sense of safety, sacurity.... which is very important for anybody.

[Rasputin]

ppl are born with it. Did you or I choose to like women, No, neither did they choose to like women. They were just born that way.

Wha you mean exactly ?!

[Michellica]

i think he means that a person born with gay "genes" ...nobody can BE gay during his life...if you are gay...you are since you were born....altough you discover late or soon... that's my opinion

[ProudPersian]

Think about it, how many of you chose to like women,.

It's not my fault I like women. If it was up to me, I would be assexual so I could use my energy for other things. But I guess I was born a horny, woman-loving bastard.

Same thing with gays, they are born just liking men, is it genes, or structure or chemicals or w.e. I dont know.

Also though, you must remember that most ppl are really in between. Many ppl are more towards straight but have gay affinities, at least according to studies on such subjects.

Yeah but I guess thats all the bullshit that ppl stereotype gay ppl with. Many are actually hyper-masculinized, more so than straight men, but media only portray feminine tendencies in gays.

[Rasputin]

This will give you instructions on how to know someone that is a homosexual without feeling akward about it. It will also make them feel more comfortable.


First treat them like a normal person. don't immediatly ask them about being a homosexual. (They don't always want to talk about it.)

Next ask them about some hobbies of theirs they won't mention any thing that personal so do not worry.

Don't talk about your love life with your significant other. They will ask you about it if they are interested.

The biggest thing don't worry about them interacting with you. There is always a way out of the situation.

And the thing to worry about most is not to assume that they are attracted to you that is not always true.

[Rasputin]

First Part

Subsequent to the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the legal code has been based on a conservative interpretation of Islamic Shar'ia law. All sexual associations that occur outside of a customary, heterosexual marriage, i.e. sodomy or adultery, are illegal and no legal distinction is made between consensual or non-consensual sexual activity. Transsexual relations that occur "between consenting adults in private are a crime and carry a maximum punishment of death, with teenage boys as young as fifteen being eligible for the death penalty, evidenced by the executions of Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni. Approved by the Islamic Republic Parliament on July 30, 1991 and finally ratified by the Iranian High Expediency Council on November 28 of the same year, Articles 108-140 of the Law of Islamic Punishment distinctly talk about homosexuality and its punishments in details."

In 1987, the Embassy of Iran wrote in "The Hague" that "homosexuality in Iran, treated according to the Islamic law, is a sin in the eyes of God and a crime for society. In Islam, generally, homosexuality is among the worst possible sins you can imagine." Adhering to the 1991 Islamic penal law, Iran's position regarding transsexuality is as follows: In dealing with male homosexuality, sodomy is a crime, for which both partners (passive and active) are punished. The castigation is death if the participants are adults, of sound mind, judgment and consent-the method of execution is reliant on the Shar'ia judge's decision. "A non-adult who engages in consensual sodomy is subject to a punishment of 74 lashes. (Articles 108 -- 113) Sodomy is proved either if a person confesses four times to having committed sodomy or by the testimony of four righteous men. Testimony of women alone or together with a man does not prove sodomy. (Articles 114 -- 119)." Similar to Saudi law and Qur'anic verses, the notion of four reasonable men as prosecuting witnesses is reoccurring as seen in the Iranian mandate.

"Tafhiz" (the rubbing of the thighs or buttocks) and the like committed by two men is said to be punished by 100 lashes. On the fourth juncture, the punishment is death. (Articles 121 and 122). If two men "stand naked under one cover without any necessity", both are punished with up to 99 lashes; if a man "kisses another with lust" the punishment is 60 lashes. (Articles 123 and 124). The articles do not mention the instrument in measuring lustful kissing, nor what lustful kissing entails. If the men have practiced sodomy, or any of the lesser crimes referred to above, and present themselves as proved by confession, and the person concerned repents/attempts to appease authorities, the Shari'a judge may request that he be pardoned. If a person who has committed the lesser crimes referred to above repents before the giving of testimony by the witnesses, the punishment is nullified. (Articles 125 and 126).

The Iranian government's execution of homosexual men has been unrelenting-human rights organizations from across the globe are reporting numerous recent capital punishments. Since 1979, the Iranian government has executed over 4,000 people on charges of illicit homosexual acts. The Human Rights Watch addresses the current situation: On Sunday, November 13, 2005, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan. The government supposedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." "Iran's Shari'a-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death."

Furthermore, and in a very naïve fashion, Human Rights Watch advised Iran to reform its judiciary in accordance with principles apparently enshrined in the Iranian constitution (i.e. fair trials) and international human rights laws. To conclude their suggestion, Human Rights Watch called "upon Iran to cease implementation of capital punishment in all circumstances because of its inherent cruelty, irreversibility, and potential for discriminatory application." Under the rule of the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last monarch of the Pahlavi Dynasty, while many inherent civil liberties were infringed upon by the SAVAK (the secret police), homosexuality was tolerated, "even to the point of allowing news coverage of a same-sex wedding... in the late 1970s some Iranians even began to talk about starting up a gay rights organization, similar to the Gay Liberation movement that exist at the time in the United States of America, Canada and Great Britain."

Similar to Arabic literature, pre-modern Persian poetry/literature makes countless references to same-sex love. A great number of "ghazals (love poems) and texts in Saadi's both Bustan and Golistan are devoted to praising the same-sex love. Another example, the Qabusnameh, a text on the moral guideline by one of the medieval Persian sultans to his son, the author indicates the object of romantic lover or partner can be either male or female. There are many occasions in the book in which the father guides his son through this issue, teaching him how to deal with a romantic homosexual love."

On the other hand, punishment and condemnation before Islam in Persia was being written by numerous thinkers such as Zarathustra. According to Zoroastrianism, the religion allegedly founded by Zarathustra and once the official religion of Sassanid Persia, the universe is divided into two warring camps, those of the Good and Evil Spirits. Homosexuality is assigned to the latter. In the Avesta, "homosexuality is mentioned only a few times, but it is literally demonized. For example, in the Videvdad, both the active and passive partners in sodomy are described as demons, demon worshippers, and incubi and succubi of demons." Thus, before the predominant Shar'ia paradigm, homosexuality was being explored in what is now Iran-and as noted above, feelings towards transsexuality varied greatly.

[Rasputin]

Second Part

The literal definition for the term Shar'ia is a "path or way to a water hole in the desert." In an essay entitled "Christianity, Islamic Shar'ia, and Civil Rights" William Wagner assesses Shar'ia law without substantial evidence and empirical claims-he does not consider Shar'ia law as an option for the Muslims, but rather an obligation. Like the nation-state of Iran, if a country becomes "an Islamic Republic, then this Muslim legal system becomes the law of the land. All living in the country, Muslims and non-Muslims alike are under its rules and regulations." So according to this assertion and its relationship in modern-nation states (Iran), can we promote the claim that Islamic governments advance their position by utilizing Qur'anic tenets? I believe the execution of homosexual men in Iran and Saudi Arabia is a hybrid of man-made law and Allah's law-and the distinction amongst them is incoherent because man-made law in Iran and Saudi Arabia is seemingly obtained through variants of Islamic law, i.e. different schools of jurisprudence.

In conclusion, the Middle East, like its global counterparts, has seen a plethora of homosexual activity. In this paper, I outlined the central tenets regarding transsexuality apparent throughout the Qur'an and various Hadiths, or sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammad. Key features discussed in these scriptures are ubiquitous amongst modern Islamic nation states such as Iran and Saudi Arabia, although they vary in their underlying societal and governmental structures. The behavior of these current countries was not to be expressed and solely attributed to an ancient scripture such as the Qur'an, but rather, discussed through a relevant Islamic perspective. Before Islam existed in the Middle East, homosexual/illicit tendencies were being written about as seen through the Zoroastrianism example. Thus, literary heritage is full of passages written by homosexual advocates or those individuals who wish to condemn the practice.

The Saudi Arabian monarchy still implements the execution of those partaking in homosexual activities, but the requirements to be charged with this illicit behavior are being disputed at the moment. Likewise, the human rights abuses by the Iranian government are unrelenting-the Islamic Republic still enforces their domineering homophobic mandate. In both countries, defiant homosexual conduct is flourishing, and rightfully so. The gay communities have utilized the Internet to their advantage; reporting events and history with intentions of awareness and ideological change. In the Western and Eastern worlds alike, homosexuals face several impediments in their quest for same-sex love. Political hierarchies, as discussed throughout this text, advance their regimes against transsexuality on religious and racial grounds. Love is love, all other extraneous factors are futile.

[ashkan300]

In my opinion,they r not ok.they have afew problem in their life .perhaps they r nut.however;everybody is freedom and blokes are allowed to choos their life way.

[Rasputin]

In my opinion,they r not ok.they have afew problem in their life .perhaps they r nut.however;everybody is freedom and blokes are allowed to choos their life way.

I like your opinion.thx .

[mermaid_nina]

I believe it’s mostly came from their gene first and then environment effect and situation, the genes are certainly could be the main reason! And these genes are mostly came from your family and could be expressed by environment effects.. Likewise unsocial behavior.. they do some research by looking to their family history, and it shows some people of that family doin some unsocial behavior too!!!!! so now many people wonder maybe this behavior happen unconsciously!! which is so interesting but still long way to prove it!!
and I need to add that they found the Gay Gene in human!!! So they borne gay and IT IS A NORMAL THING and also u can find very few people who just interested to their opposite-sex!!!! and if we imagine gay is 1 and 100% het-sex is 9 most people are some number between like 5 6 or 4 !!!!!!!
But me personally believe some few people who chose to be gay are messed with sex alot and some do it as a fashion.

[Rasputin]

But me personally believe some few people who chose to be gay are messed with sex alot and some do it as a fashion.

LooL

[mermaid_nina]

Why ARE YOU " LOOL" ing?