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  • Rasputin
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    • Jan 2005
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    #1

    Platonic love

    Platonic love in its modern popular sense is an affectionate relationship into which the sexual element does not enter, especially in cases where one might easily assume otherwise. A simple example of platonic relationships is friendship between two heterosexual people of the opposite sexes.

    At the same time, this interpretation is a misunderstanding of the nature of the Platonic ideal of love, which from its origin was that of a chaste but passionate love, based not on uninterest but virtuous restraint.





    The term amor platonicus was coined as early as the 15th Century by the Florentine scholar Marsilio Ficino as a synonym for amor socraticus. Both expressions signify a love focused on the beauty of a person's character and intelligence rather than on their physical charms. They refer to the special bond of affection between two men Plato had highlighted in a dialogue, and exemplified by the affection between Socrates and his young male pupils, in particular to the one between Socrates and Alcibiades. On Ficino and the Symposium

    The English term dates back as far as Sir William Davenant's Platonic Lovers (1636). It is derived from the concept in Plato's Symposium of the love of the idea of good which lies at the root of all virtue and truth.

    Ironically, the very eponym of this love, Plato, as well as the forementioned Socrates and Ficino, all belong to the community of men who desire boys, and they all engaged in chaste but erotic pedagogic friendships with youths. The concept of platonic love thus arose within the context of the debate pitting mundane sexually expressed pederasty against the philosophic – or chaste – pederasty elaborated in Plato's writings (Symposium, Phaedro, Laws, and others).

    Regarding Socrates, John Addington Symonds in his A Problem in Greek Ethics states that he "...avows a fervent admiration for beauty in the persons of young men. At the same time he declares himself upon the side of temperate and generous affection, and strives to utilize the erotic enthusiasm as a motive power in the direction of philosophy." According to Linda Rapp in glbtq, Ficino, by platonic love, meant "...a relationship that included both the physical and the spiritual. Thus, Ficino's view is that love is the desire for beauty, which is the image of the divine."

    Because of the common modern definition, platonic love can be seen as paradoxical in light of these philosophers' life experiences and teachings. Plato and his peers did not teach that a man's relationship with a youth should lack an erotic dimension, but rather that the longing for the beauty of the boy is a foundation of the friendship and love between those two. However, having acknowledged that the man's erotic desire for the youth magnetizes and energizes the relationship, they countered that it is wiser for this eros to not be sexually expressed, but instead be redirected into the intellectual and emotional spheres.

    To resolve this confusion, French scholars found it helpful to distinguish between amour platonique (the concept of non-sexual love) and amour platonicien (love according to Plato). When the term "Platonic love" is used today, it generally does not describe this aspect of Plato's views of love.

    The understanding that Platonic love could be interpreted as masculine eros, albeit unconsummated, is intimately linked with the construction of a homosexual identity, and the cultural model of platonic friendship / pederasty was used by educated gay men since the early Renaissance.

    iran
  • Rasputin
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #2
    Quotes
    "Platonic Love is a fool's name for the affection between a disability and a frost."
    Ambrose Bierce
    "Platonic love is love from the neck up."
    Thyra Smater Winsolow
    "Platonic Love is like getting laid. Without getting laid."
    Chris Brewer
    "Platonic love is like finding an oasis in a desert. But then that oasis won't give you any."
    David Greenhalgh

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    • Rasputin
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 63906

      #3
      Platonic Love

      One of the most important anf famous theories of love in Western literature is the cluster of ideas that Diotima conveys to Socrates at the highpoint of Plato's Symposium. The theory consists of the following parts:

      1. Diotima defines Love (Eros) as the desire to possess the good (or the beautiful) forever.

      2. This desire is not only the openly sexual kind (what is usually called "love"), but also the desire of riches, the artist's desire of beautiful works, or the philosopher's love of wisdom.

      3. All lovers desire to create--either children, or such more intellectual things as art works and political systems. By being creative lovers achieve some sort of immortality.

      4. The beauty and offspring of the mind are more honorable than those of the body. The most admirable lovers are those who move from the love of the physical and individual to the love of the intellectual and general.


      It is interesting that Sigmund Freud, too, characterized Eros as a very general force--as a psychic energy that can either find direct expression in genital love, or can be sublimated into the love of art, science, or other areas of passionate interest that constitute civilization. The sublimation of libido into other forms of desire and attraction, furthermore, also involves a broadening from the individual to the general (from individual persons to humanity, for example), and from the physical to the abstract (from physical bodies to pure thoughts).

      What is characteristic of Freud's theory is the contention that most of the achievements of civilization are the result of sexual energy (libido) whose original aims become inhibited. An artist's passion is "aim-inhibited love." About beauty he says in Civilization and Its Discontents: "Psychoanalysis, unfortunately, has scarcely anything to say about beauty either. All that seems certain is its derivation from the field of sexual feeling. The love of beauty seems a perfect example of an impulse inhibited in its aim. Beauty and attraction are originally attributes of the sexual object" (Section II).

      While Freud is by no means against civilization and the aim-inhibitions that make it possible, his theory has a pessimistic undertone: The greatest happiness results always from an uninhibited fulfillment of sexual desires, according to Civilization and Its Discontents, and the price of having a civilization is inevitably a weakening of the feelings of gratification that people would have in a more primitive or primeval state. (Here one may find one of the reasons for Nietzsche's fierce criticism of the philosophy of Socrates and Plato.)

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