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  • Originally posted by mike435 View Post
    i am persoanly convinced that america does not want normal relations with iran
    look it is irelevant of the president incharge this country has had a history under voth parties to wage war and furthur whats best for america

    they are going to the same
    america wants to fix it dollar problam and the oil problam iran is the only ovstical in its path
    iraq is gone
    sudi arabia is already under their control
    their problem is they cant get to irans oil, the persian gulf holds 55percent of the world crude oil, iran can easily stop the flow of the oil by any means, this will devistate the worlds economy currently relying on crude..
    While the current people in charge in the US government are morons, i dont think they will make that mistake..
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    • Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
      their problem is they cant get to irans oil, the persian gulf holds 55percent of the world crude oil, iran can easily stop the flow of the oil by any means, this will devistate the worlds economy currently relying on crude..
      While the current people in charge in the US government are morons, i dont think they will make that mistake..
      these "morons" are the ones that have beaten the russians and the cold war
      have beaten hitler

      you think it would be a mistake for theme to go on a military campaighn on iran

      it would be the right thing to do

      sure iran will disrupt world oil but key word is disrupt and even so ameirca is preparing the world for it what do you think these sanctions are doing
      what do you thing all these oil price votility is for

      its just getting the worl used to the idea of a war with iran


      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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      • Originally posted by mike435 View Post
        these "morons" are the ones that have beaten the russians and the cold war
        have beaten hitler

        you think it would be a mistake for theme to go on a military campaighn on iran

        it would be the right thing to do

        sure iran will disrupt world oil but key word is disrupt and even so ameirca is preparing the world for it what do you think these sanctions are doing
        what do you thing all these oil price votility is for

        its just getting the worl used to the idea of a war with iran
        first let me say something to the iranians here, bebinin darin KIO defa mikonin? in yaroo moafaghe iran hamle she, vaghan motasefam baraye baziatoon..

        Now to your reply, the US cant even cope in iraq,afghanestan, its internall support has become very low and its wont have enough funding.. on top of that it will be a suicide move for the US to attack iran. The world is not with the usa on a war against iran and they know it, thats why they are resulting in useless sanctions and psychological warefare.

        You seem to think the USA will bomb iran and win the war? no war has been won through the air, the usa is not capable of a land invasion on iran.
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        • Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
          first let me say something to the iranians here, bebinin darin KIO defa mikonin? in yaroo moafaghe iran hamle she, vaghan motasefam baraye baziatoon..

          Now to your reply, the US cant even cope in iraq,afghanestan, its internall support has become very low and its wont have enough funding.. on top of that it will be a suicide move for the US to attack iran. The world is not with the usa on a war against iran and they know it, thats why they are resulting in useless sanctions and psychological warefare.

          You seem to think the USA will bomb iran and win the war? no war has been won through the air, the usa is not capable of a land invasion on iran.
          look stop viewing things from your own perspetive view theme from those who make decition those who are responsible for votes and communties

          look infact i have come to think that if the US wines these wars it is to its disadvantage sounds sick but its true
          look as long as their is a war the american economy is running, war is needed for the american economy, this country's wealth was built on war
          and today it is the only thing that america has not outsourced

          as long as there is a war there will be a reason to spend with out being socialist
          its very retarted but its true
          do you know how much these defense companys are making
          haha look at the iorny and they call theme self concervatives that dont want big goverment spending when it comed to health care becuase it is socalist and anti capitilistik yet it is capitalisom when they recive billions in wepons and ammunition

          look as yourself somthing
          can you win a war against "terror"
          america is not fighting terror
          america is not fighting for its teretorial integrity
          americai s just fighting for the hell of it


          G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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          • Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
            The world is not with the usa on a war against iran and they know it, thats why they are resulting in useless sanctions and psychological warefare.

            You seem to think the USA will bomb iran and win the war? no war has been won through the air, the usa is not capable of a land invasion on iran.
            No one has ever in history been in favor of war when somene else has embarked on it
            this makes no sence so what
            no body was in favor of a war when USA went to north korea, vietnam, iraq and they wont be in favor for iran it make no diffreance

            they are not out their to win a war what war what is the US fighting for if it starts a war with iran,

            and regarding an air campain so what winning is senless here as long the US is able to harm iran it will be enough look the US needs cayawas

            infact i dont even think they will totaly hit the reactors just so they can have a reason to be active in the region

            now if it was israel attacking iran that is a diffrent story theire objective is to keep iran from gaining a nuke and as long as they do that they have won the war
            and that kind of war can be done by just air power alone as it was proved by the Israelis both in iraq and very recently in syria (note syrias air defense was the same kind of air defense used in iran"
            israel shares no boundries with iran and it will have to start fighting hezbolah and hamas right in its backyard were it still has the home advantage

            so we can see best response to agretioon. by iran will be disruption of oil wich will play right in the hands of the americans. were they will have more of an excuse to reck havvoc on iran

            this is a really sad senario if change doesent come from with in iran it would be a sad day


            G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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            • Originally posted by mike435 View Post
              No one has ever in history been in favor of war when somene else has embarked on it
              this makes no sence so what
              no body was in favor of a war when USA went to north korea, vietnam, iraq and they wont be in favor for iran it make no diffreance

              they are not out their to win a war what war what is the US fighting for if it starts a war with iran,

              and regarding an air campain so what winning is senless here as long the US is able to harm iran it will be enough look the US needs cayawas

              infact i dont even think they will totaly hit the reactors just so they can have a reason to be active in the region

              now if it was israel attacking iran that is a diffrent story theire objective is to keep iran from gaining a nuke and as long as they do that they have won the war
              and that kind of war can be done by just air power alone as it was proved by the Israelis both in iraq and very recently in syria (note syrias air defense was the same kind of air defense used in iran"
              israel shares no boundries with iran and it will have to start fighting hezbolah and hamas right in its backyard were it still has the home advantage

              so we can see best response to agretioon. by iran will be disruption of oil wich will play right in the hands of the americans. were they will have more of an excuse to reck havvoc on iran

              this is a really sad senario if change doesent come from with in iran it would be a sad day

              seeing that your an israeli im not suprised that you actually think israel can pull off a attack on iran. first of all israel's airforce isnt capable of reaching iran, go look it up. Irans intelligence is much to high for either usa or israel to make any wrong decisions therefore iran would be in the know.
              Israel has no missiles that can reach iran which is much bigger than israel. Iran has a wide arsenal of missiles that can reach israel and beyond, and seeying that israel is a small terroritary then causing a massive amount of destruction wouldnt be too difficult. So rule israel out of the picture because they simply cant.

              As for usa, unless they want to engage in a full scale war with iran which will last for years and eventually result in the USA gaining nothing but hundreds of thousands of soldiers and a huge amount of money gone to waste not to mention nearly lost all allies in the region. Im not saying iran will not be affected, but wel recover quickly, take that 8 year war with saddam for example, iran was fighting the world, both superpowers were funding iraq and we still managed to win.
              The regional countries including US's allies turkey and UAE dont want war because they will be affected, and britain has ruled out any actions therefore the usa will be alone, iran will in addition have undertable support from russia and china.
              There is a wide variety of responses that can be discussed which all go back to one thing...USA failing.
              Vote Mohammad Baqer Ghalibaf

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              • personally, I don't have much against Israel- Jews deserve a homeland. But Mike, you are so blindly supportive of the U.S.

                Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                these "morons" are the ones that have beaten the russians and the cold war
                have beaten hitler
                First, the U.S. made a lot of mistakes in the cold war and WW II, which she should learn from to be even more effective. Afterall, to this day people from inside and outside the U.S. oppose the US because of its ruthless policies during the cold war. One can even say that the US manufactured much of the conflict of the cold war through ideological extremism, and so defeated its own monster, which is nothing to be credited for. And the US let a small neighboring country develop the only pure communist country in the world, another failure.

                Second, the U.S. can not be credited for the victory in WW2 and the cold war. Many parties all over the world worked hard for justice, and they were key factors. The U.S. could not have done it without the help of the rest of the world in those cases, and its very bigoted to think the US is the only country to be credited.

                Last, the situation now is very different from WW2 and CW. First, the US is not the "good guys", the enemy is much more exaggerated in today's case. There is no one crusading racial supremacy (WW2) and there's no superpower conducting mass genocide to take over the world (Cold War). Last, the fight is not between countries, but between people and their own governments.

                Boy Mike... I know you're a supporter of the US's military and everything, I'm sure you have personal reasons for this obligation, and you're entitled to your view, but it doesn't justify distorting the truth and ultimately risking the world harm... There's a respect to the world when it comes to one's own views. The just thing to do is acknowledge your biases, holding on to them if you must ofcourse, but not to force your biases onto others... instead, to acknowledge personal biases when discussing truth. Freedom of speech is something that assumes the respectability of the speakers, not something that should be used for distorting the truth and harming the world.... Needless to say, there are limits to the concept as seen in every country, being defined in the most liberal countries as a qualified right...

                Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
                first let me say something to the iranians here, bebinin darin KIO defa mikonin? in yaroo moafaghe iran hamle she, vaghan motasefam baraye baziatoon..
                There are a lot of personal weaknesses within the Iranian diaspora and Iranian population. I only wonder if your approach to "change" them is "effective", or will it create more divide? Instead of relying on the future, perhaps we can all find some common ground right now. In fact, there is a lot of common ground right now, leading to great outcomes for our country instead of internal conflict. The only question in my opinion is whether we are willing to share our country with each other. I like to think the question is yes for everyone, and so we can overcome some of differences.

                Someone who defends the US ideology against Iran either has a personal and/or experiential bias against the Islamic Republic, or has thought it out leading them to the conclusion. The former situation is admittedly much more difficult, but it is nonetheless is a reality we must consider.
                Last edited by zubin; 11-08-2007, 10:28 AM.
                Take him and cut him out in little stars,
                and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
                that all the world will be in love with night,
                and pay no worship to the garish sun

                - Shakespeare

                "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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                • Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
                  seeing that your an israeli im not suprised that you actually think israel can pull off a attack on iran. first of all israel's airforce isnt capable of reaching iran, go look it up. Irans intelligence is much to high for either usa or israel to make any wrong decisions therefore iran would be in the know.
                  Israel has no missiles that can reach iran which is much bigger than israel. Iran has a wide arsenal of missiles that can reach israel and beyond, and seeying that israel is a small terroritary then causing a massive amount of destruction wouldnt be too difficult. So rule israel out of the picture because they simply cant.

                  As for usa, unless they want to engage in a full scale war with iran which will last for years and eventually result in the USA gaining nothing but hundreds of thousands of soldiers and a huge amount of money gone to waste not to mention nearly lost all allies in the region. Im not saying iran will not be affected, but wel recover quickly, take that 8 year war with saddam for example, iran was fighting the world, both superpowers were funding iraq and we still managed to win.
                  The regional countries including US's allies turkey and UAE dont want war because they will be affected, and britain has ruled out any actions therefore the usa will be alone, iran will in addition have undertable support from russia and china.
                  There is a wide variety of responses that can be discussed which all go back to one thing...USA failing.
                  i am not an israli iam a oersian american jew
                  living in the united state
                  i like this country very much and am very glad to be living here

                  and considering what i say it is just my first intstic opinion
                  i do not say it because i like israel or the US (which i do)
                  i say it because that is how i see it now

                  maube my facts about american or israeli military strench is wrong becuase its all secondary research form western media but if the evidance was the other way i would say so
                  but so far i see the stronger air power as being israel and the US
                  now for a sustaind war offcourse israel it out of the question i dont think the country can fight a war more than 30 days

                  and for the US there is no reason for a ground invation
                  they arnt really after to disarm iran they are more after creating caous if america wwanted to really disarm iran it would have done it by now


                  G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                  • Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                    i am not an israli iam a oersian american jew
                    living in the united state
                    i like this country very much and am very glad to be living here

                    and considering what i say it is just my first intstic opinion
                    i do not say it because i like israel or the US (which i do)
                    i say it because that is how i see it now

                    maube my facts about american or israeli military strench is wrong becuase its all secondary research form western media but if the evidance was the other way i would say so
                    but so far i see the stronger air power as being israel and the US
                    now for a sustaind war offcourse israel it out of the question i dont think the country can fight a war more than 30 days

                    and for the US there is no reason for a ground invation
                    they arnt really after to disarm iran they are more after creating caous if america wwanted to really disarm iran it would have done it by now
                    i have a question, do you think its your duty to support israel and USA becuase your jewish? this is just a question.

                    You can argue that USA's airforce is stronger, which it is, but iran has a much stronger missile capability and influence in the region. in addition irans airforce is also unknown, nobody can judge irans military by what they only show you because irans military is one of the most secretive military's in the world. First of all how would the usa disarm iran without sparking a full scale war?, iran is not like any of the arab nations that dont say a word when they are attacked. Furthermore i would like to clarify that striking irans nuclear facilities is not so easy, even if its the best airforce doing the job because not only is the area guarded with SAMS its facility is constructed deep beneath the ground and others are spread across the mountainous regions.

                    Im suprised to why you support a nation that has had involvment in most of the wars that have been created in this centry. It brutal torture methods, its emperialism, its brainwashing methods through the media, the number of murders it has caused, the fear it has spread across the world. Some iranians come and say we support the USA we hate the islamic republic but for one second dont they realise that the USA is the main root of terrorism.
                    Dont get me wrong, i have nothing against the US civilians, but its a shame that their government has ruined their image across the globe.
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                    • Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
                      Im suprised to why you support a nation that has had involvment in most of the wars that have been created in this centry. It brutal torture methods, its emperialism, its brainwashing methods through the media, the number of murders it has caused, the fear it has spread across the world. Some iranians come and say we support the USA we hate the islamic republic but for one second dont they realise that the USA is the main root of terrorism.
                      Dont get me wrong, i have nothing against the US civilians, but its a shame that their government has ruined their image across the globe.

                      and you do not consider this when it comes to iran and islamic republic
                      do you suddenly forget the atrocetys khomainy commited,

                      look the US is a powerful and big country it has done more goof for huanity than anyother nation from inovation in technology, to medical, investments
                      right millions of people are living becuase of american aid
                      becuase of american military power there is peace in many regions of the world.
                      do get me wrong this is one the most selfish countrys on the earth but it still has done more good for humanty than anyother country
                      can you say the same thing about IRI
                      comparatevly speaking which govement has done more good both for its own people and the world community

                      you speak in a way as if if IRI is more bette than the US how many peope does IRI tourtre kill, what about funding of HAMAS and Hezbolah
                      are these not terrorist activity

                      America is not perfect but i much rather feel americas inperfection than IRI's attitude.


                      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                      • Originally posted by ghalibaf View Post
                        i have a question, do you think its your duty to support israel and USA becuase your jewish? this is just a question.

                        this is not a duty nor a necessity i choose to support the countries that my cultures originate from and impact it this also includes iran

                        the only reason i am not overtly supporting iran here is becuase there wouldnt be any advancment in the position

                        by me supporting the countray i get a better understanding of were everything stands
                        the same is true the other way when i stand up for iran


                        G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                        • Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                          and you do not consider this when it comes to iran and islamic republic
                          do you suddenly forget the atrocetys khomainy commited,

                          look the US is a powerful and big country it has done more goof for huanity than anyother nation from inovation in technology, to medical, investments
                          right millions of people are living becuase of american aid
                          becuase of american military power there is peace in many regions of the world.
                          do get me wrong this is one the most selfish countrys on the earth but it still has done more good for humanty than anyother country
                          can you say the same thing about IRI
                          comparatevly speaking which govement has done more good both for its own people and the world community

                          you speak in a way as if if IRI is more bette than the US how many peope does IRI tourtre kill, what about funding of HAMAS and Hezbolah
                          are these not terrorist activity

                          America is not perfect but i much rather feel americas inperfection than IRI's attitude.
                          Iv met alot of brainwashed people but you are by far the most brainwashed person that i have ever met. im sorry but open your eyes..
                          During a revolution theres always casulties that come with it this is the same in every country. Would you like to back up your claims about usa and what good it has done to the world? Apart from killing people, spreading fear and funding/training dictators and terrorists it has done nothing else. You talk about medical? what medical? more than half of the people in the US dont have health care, america refused to help many africans with aids, it has put sanctions on some countries whos people are dying day by day simply because the US doesnt like their governments, iran makes trades with those countries to support them. What peace has the US military brought to the world? you the the first person that i have ever heard say this, apart from bush.

                          As a superpower you shouldnt be comparing it to iran, iran even though its not a world superpower is helping the iraqis,lebanese and palestinians as part of its foreign aid, this aid is for the atrocities USA and Israel has caused to those countries.
                          You say iran commits torture?, fair enough to a certain limit to those who endager our countries security then yes. However the so called free USA is a very bad example, US government spies on its civilians, uses a unfair and discriminative policy on the so called "suspected terrorists" who most of them are innocent people falsely accused, uses brutal forms of torture in secret prisons it has across the world and in Guantanamo bay, uses false flag operations and abuses its power to do what it wants to anyone.

                          Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation, hezbollah are a defence force against israel, definition of terrorist is those who spread terror to civilians, hezbollah's goal is to defend the lebanese civilians and their lands from occupying israel. Hezbollah infact have helped build the infrustrcture in lebanon, instead of watching too much fox and reading into western propaganda why dont you go and research abit.

                          Slowly and slowly the USA is losing support globably and internally in their own soil, when the level of dislike rises even more the usa will face a difficult situation.
                          Europe is by far a better influence than the USA

                          One form of US torture:[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLfRCkZuxQ"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
                          Last edited by ghalibaf; 11-09-2007, 07:31 AM.
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                          • سازمان امنيت ملي ايالات متحده با ارزيابي برنامه تسليحات هسته اي ايران به اين نتيجه رسيده که اين کشور ‏اين برنامه را از سال 2003 متوقف ساخته است. صرفنظر از سوالات زيادي که در اين مورد وجود دارد و ‏نيز اينکه در مورد اين ارزيابي چگونه فکر کنيم، بازتاب عملي اين گزارش غير قابل انکار است.‏


                            دستگاه ديپلماسي بوش در زمان باقيمانده از دوره اش، نمي تواند اقدام نظامي عليه ايران را در پيش بگيرد و ‏يا از تهديد به انجام آن براي خود اعتباري کسب کند، مگر اينکه يک حرکت تحريک آميز از سوي ايران پاسخ ‏ايالات متحده را در پي داشته باشد. حمله به تاسيسات هسته اي مشکوک در ايران هم، همواره در هاله اي از ‏مخاطرات قرار دارد. اکنون اين گزينه از روي ميز جمع شده است. ‏

                            ضمناً دولت بوش قادر به جلب همکاري هاي بين المللي بيشتر براي تصويب تحريم هاي سنگين تر عليه ايران ‏نخواهد بود. مهمترين دليل اعمال فشار کشورهاي اروپايي بر تهران نيزبه خاطر هراس دايمي آنها از اقدام ‏نظامي آمريکايي ها بوده است. تا قبل از انتشار ارزيابي سازمان امنيت ملي، راضي کردن اروپايي ها براي ‏پشتيباني از تحريم هاي جدي تر کار مشکلي بود. حالا اين کار به غير ممکن تبديل شده است. ‏

                            دستگاه ديپلماسي بوش با از کار افتادن ابزارهاي سياسي که در اختيار داشت، مي بايست يک سال باقيمانده از ‏دوره اش را در انزوا سپري کند. راه ديگر اين است که با بدست گرفتن ابتکار عمل، به دولت بعد از خودشان ‏لطفي بکنند و باب گفتگوهاي مستقيم با تهران را باز کنند.‏

                            انجام مذاکره در ابتدا، نشانه اي از ضعف به نظر مي رسد. ايراني ها مي توانند از گفتگوها براي عميق تر ‏کردن شکاف ميان ايالات متحده و شرکايش از يک سو، و اختلافات در داخل سيستم سياسي آمريکا از سوي ‏ديگر استفاده کنند. ‏

                            ولي براي مذاکره يک راهکار خوب وجود دارد. خيلي از مردم دنيا و افراد در آمريکا، بهبود رفتار ايرانيان ‏را به عنوان پيش شرط و دليل اصلي دوري آمريکا از گفتگوها مي دانند. اين يک افسانه است اما خود مي ‏تواند جلوي تلاش هاي آمريکا را در حال حاضر و تا سال ها بعد بگيرد. ايالات متحده در نهايت بايد تن به اين ‏کار بدهد هرچند در طول تاريخ براي آن مخالفاني وجود داشته است. ‏

                            اکنون هم مثل هميشه، زمان خوبي است. ايالات متحده در موضع ضعف نيست. آشفتگي حاصل از گزارش ‏امنيت ملي زودگذر است و اين حقايق استراتژيک است که با دوام است. آمريکا همچنان در دنيا و در ‏خاورميانه، قدرتمند باقي مي ماند. موفقيت بدست آمده ازسياست تثبيت اوضاع در عراق، ظاهراً به اين معني ‏است که ايالات متحده به دنبال پايه گذاري يک وضعيت بادوام در منطقه است، همان چيزي که از سال ها قبل ‏همه خواستار آن بودند. همينطورکه اوضاع عراق مسير خود را براي برگشت به وضع عادي طي مي کند، ‏موازنه موجود هم در حال چرخش به نفع ايران تحت انزوا است.‏

                            دلايل ديگري هم براي شروع تحرکات در اين زمان وجود دارد. هرچند برآورد امنيت ملي بر ناتواني ايران ‏در توليد بمب تا قبل از سال 2010 حکايت مي کند، اما همين زمان هم براي ما طولاني نيست. دولت بعدي ‏خصوصاً اگر دموکرات باشد، احتمالاً سعي خودش را براي گفتگو با تهران بکارخواهد برد. اما چنين ‏گفتگوهايي نمي تواند تا پيش از تابستان 2009 به عمل آيد. اگر سازمان امنيت ملي درست برآورد کرده باشد، ‏در آن زمان ايران مي تواند در واپسين مراحل توليد يک بمب باشد. بهتر است گفتگوها الان آغاز شود تا ‏وقتي دولت بعدي مستقر مي شود، بعد از چند سال گفتگو قادر به برآورد پيشرفت يا پسرفت آن باشد. ‏

                            شروع گفتگوها توسط اين دولت به مراتب بهتر است. هرچند اعتماد ميان احزاب در آمريکا خدشه دار شده ‏است، اما هرگونه موضع گيري سياسي ايالات متحده نسبت به ايران به پشتيباني هر دو حزب نيازمند است. ‏بوش حتي مي تواند يک دموکرات پر سر و صدا را براي سرپرستي گفتگوها انتخاب کند.‏

                            آغاز گفتگوها در زمان حاضر، مي تواند شانس بيشتري را به ايالات متحده براي تعيين خط مشي مذاکرات ‏داخلي و خارجي بدهد. هرگونه مذاکراتي بايد در راستاي مجبور کردن ايراني ها براي پاسخ به همه ابهامات ‏باقيمانده آژانس بين المللي انرژي هسته اي درباره برنامه هسته اي آن کشور باشد. آنها بايد با بازرسي هاي ‏غيرمترقبه و نظارت بر تاسيسات خود و نيز عمل به درخواست شوراي امنيت سازمان ملل دال بر تعليق غني ‏سازي اورانيوم، موافقت نمايند.‏

                            گفتگوها بايد از مساله هسته اي فراتر رود و موضوع حمايت ايران از تروريسم، پناه دادن به سران القاعده، ‏پشتيباني از حزب الله و حماس و همچنين حمايت هاي تسليحاتي آنان از تندروهاي ستيزه جو در عراق را نيز ‏در بر بگيرد.‏

                            آنها ضمناً بايد ايرادات خود را به دولت ايران به خاطر زير پا گذاشتن حقوق بشر و سرکوب هاي سياسي ‏سختگيرانه وارد نمايند. بعضي ها معتقدند نمي شود وارد گفتگو با کشوري شد که قصد تغيير رژيمش را ‏داريد. اين منطقي نيست. ايالات متحده به طور همزمان توان مذاکره با اتحاد جماهير شوروي از يک سو، و ‏اعمال فشار براي تغييرات سياسي در آنجا از طريق حمايت از مخالفان را، از سوي ديگر داشت. اين کار با ‏برقراري ارتباط مستقيم با مردم بوسيله راديو و ساير وسايل ارتباط جمعي ميسر شده بود. به اين ترتيب اتحاد ‏جماهير شوروي مجبور به رعايت معاهده حقوق بشر هلسينکي شد. هيچ دليلي وجود ندارد که ايالات متحده ‏نتواند با ايران گفتگو کند و در عين حال با تقويت مخالفان براي تغيير رژيم در ايران فشار وارد آورد.‏

                            در مورد ايران هم، اگر اين کشور الزامات هسته اي را رعايت کند، حمايت خود از تروريسم و خشونت را ‏متوقف کند، در برخورد بامردم کشورش عدالت، حقوق بشر و احترام به آزادي را رعايت کند، در اين ‏صورت از طرف جامعه جهاني مورد استقبال قرار مي گيرد و اين خود به همراه منافع فراوان اقتصادي، ‏سياسي و امنيتي اش خواهد بود. اين پيشنهاد هميشه روي ميز بوده و ايالات متحده لازم نيست هيچ کار ديگري ‏غير از تصريح آن انجام دهد.‏

                            آغاز گفتگوها همين امروز به معني محدود شدن گزينه هاي آينده آمريکا نيست. اگر ايراني ها از انجام ‏گفتگوها طفره بروند، که احتمال دلخواهي است، از خود سابقه اي به جا مي گذارند که مي تواند اکنون يا در ‏وقتي حساس در آينده عليه خودشان به کار گرفته شود. اين احتمال هم هست که اين پيشنهاد از سوي آمريکا ‏باعث بروز شکاف در داخل ايران شود.، يافتن همه گزينه هاي سياسي ممکن، در هر مساله اي، کار سختي ‏است. شرايط آماده است، اين ديگر بستگي به دولت بوش دارد که با هوشياري و به نحوي خلاق باشد از آن ‏استفاده کند. ‏

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                            • : ایران از سرکوب مردم دست بردارد
                              رييس*جمهوري آمريكا در هشتمين و آخرين سخنراني سالانه خود با انتقاد از سیاست*های داخلی ایران گفت:"حاكمان ايران، مردم خوب و با استعداد را سركوب مي*كنند و هرجا كه آزادي در خاورميانه به پيش مي*رود به نظرمي رسد كه رژيم ايران مخالف آن است."
                              به گزارش خبرگزاری فرانسه، بوش خطاب به مردم ایران گفت:"پيام من به مردم ايران روشن است و آن اين است*كه ما با شما نزاع نداريم، ما به سنت*ها و تاريخ شما احترام مي*گذاريم، ما مشتاق روزي هستيم كه شما آزادي خود را داشته باشيد."
                              وی همچنین خاطرنشان کرد:"پيام من به سران ايران نيز واضح است و اين است كه غني*سازي هسته*اي را به حال تعليق درآوريد تا بتوان مذاكرات را شروع كرد، براي پيوستن مجدد به جامعه*جهاني نيات هسته*اي و اقدامات گذشته خود را روشن كنيد، سركوب*گري خود در داخل كشورتان را متوقف كنيد، حمايت خود را از تروريسم در خارج متوقف كنيد، اما فراتر از همه اين*ها پيام من اين است آمريكا با كساني كه نظاميان ما را تهديد مي كنند مقابله خواهد كرد."
                              "جرج بوش"كه دوشنبه شب به وقت محلي (صبح سه*شنبه به وقت تهران ) در كنگره و در جمع سران و اعضاي برجسته دولت، كنگره و قضات آمريكا سخنراني مي*كرد، افزود:"ايران بداند كه آمريكا با كساني كه نيروهاي ما را تهديد مي*كنند مقابله مي*كند و ما در كنار متحدين خود ايستاده ایم و از منافع حياتي خود در خليج فارس دفاع مي*كنيم."
                              بوش همچنين مصرانه از تهران خواست غني*سازي اورانيوم را به حال تعليق درآورده، به انجام اصلاحات سياسي تن در داده و "حمايت خود را از تروريسم در خارج از كشور متوقف سازد."
                              جورج بوش که سخنرانی*اش از شبكه تلويزيوني بي*بي*سي هم پخش می*شد، گفت:"ايران منابع مالی گروه*هاي شبه*نظامي در عراق را تامين کرده و آن*ها را آموزش مي*دهد از تروريست*هاي حزب*الله حمايت و از تلاش*هاي حماس براي تضعيف صلح پشتیبانی مي*كند."

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