Opera Cancelled In Germany For Being Offensive To Muslims ( Uncanelled )

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  • Rasputin
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    • Jan 2005
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    #1

    Opera Cancelled In Germany For Being Offensive To Muslims ( Uncanelled )

    One of Germany's leading opera houses has unleashed an angry debate over free speech by canceling a production over security fears because a scene featured the severed heads of Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed.

    The Deutsche Oper Berlin yesterday said it had decided "with great regret" to cancel a planned production of Mozart's Idomeneo after city security officials warned of an "incalculable risk" because of scenes dealing with Islam, as well as other religions.

    ***sten Harms, the director of the Deutsche Oper, said that the Berlin state police had warned of a possible - but not certain - threat and that she decided it would be in the best interest of the safety of the opera house, its employees and patrons to cancel the production.
    Perhaps you didn't know that Mozart is considered offensive and should be banned.

    But the uproar has been over the more modern staging: Mozart didn't include cut off heads originally (it takes a modern mind to add that). Even so, the opera was staged with the controversial scenes three years ago.

    It's just that some things have changed since then, such as the boundaries of free speech, what art is permissible, how far people who write, draw and perform are willing to go to perform their freedoms to do what they have been able to do for many years, and what is deemed PC (or dangerous to your physical health):
    After its premiere in 2003, the production by Hans Neuenfels drew widespread criticism over a scene in which King Idomeneo presents the severed heads not only of the Greek god of the sea, Poseidon, but also of Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed.

    "We know the consequences of the conflict over the [Mohammed] caricatures," the opera house said in a statement. "We believe that needs to be taken very seriously and hope for your support."

    While some said they understood the decision, a broad spectrum of politicians opposed it.

    The leader of Germany's Islamic Council welcomed the decision, saying a depiction of Mohammed with a severed head "could certainly offend Muslims."

    "Nevertheless, of course I think it is horrible that one has to be afraid," Ali Kizilkaya said. "That is not the right way to open dialog."

    Dieter Glietsch, head of the Berlin state police, said: "One can find nothing wrong if, in a climate that's already tense between Islam and the western world, people avoid heating up the situation further through a scene that can - and perhaps even must - be taken as provocative by pious Muslims."
    Meanwhile, on the other hand:
    Many others, including Germany's senior security official, Wolfgang Schäuble, the interior minister, condemned the decision, which came ahead of a conference on Islam planned for today. "That is crazy," Mr Schäuble told reporters in Washington DC, where he was holding meetings with American officials.

    Berlin's mayor, Klaus Wowereit, said that "with all understanding for the concern about the security of spectators and performers, I consider the decision of the director to be wrong.

    "Our ideas about openness, tolerance and freedom must be lived out on the offensive. Voluntary self-limitation gives those who fight against our values a confirmation in advance that we will not stand behind them."
    The New York Times has more, including this:
    Berlin’s chief security official, Ehrhart Körting, drew a parallel between the decision and that of German newspapers earlier this year to resist reprinting the cartoons depicting Muhammad.

    “Even the German journalists’ association criticized the reprinting of the cartoons because their publication could hurt the religious feelings of one group of people,” Mr. Körting said in a statement.

    Muslim leaders in Germany reacted cautiously. Several planned to participate in a conference on Wednesday organized by the government to foster a better dialogue with Germany’s 3.2 million Muslims.

    The leader of the Islamic Council, Ali Kizilkaya, told a radio station in Berlin that he welcomed the cancellation, saying a depiction of decapitated Muhammad “could certainly offend Muslims.”
    Yes, there is that argument.
    Except that now if that same standard is used, if there are scenes offensive to Christians, Jews, or Hindus in opera, movies, musicals or stained glass windows perhaps to be consistent they also should be hidden, removed or (it may come to this) banned.

    Will this standard be applied to all groups that find something offensive in a performance or staging?

    iran
  • Rasputin
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    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #2
    Muslim anger fear halts opera

    A leading opera house called off a production of Mozart's "Idomeneo" that features the severed head of the Prophet Mohammed, setting off a furious debate Tuesday over Islam, freedom of speech and the role of art.

    The furor is the latest in Europe over religious sensitivities -- following cartoons of the prophet first published in a Danish newspaper and recent remarks by Pope Benedict XVI decrying holy war.

    ***sten Harms, director of Berlin's Deutsche Oper, announced "with great regret" that she had decided to cancel the three year old production after state security officials warned it could provoke dangerous reactions in the current politically charged climate.



    ***sten Harms, director of Berlin's Deutsche Oper, has canceled Mozart opera over security fears.



    After its premiere in 2003, the production by Hans Neuenfels drew widespread criticism over a scene in which King Idomeneo presents the severed heads not only of the Greek god of the sea, Poseidon, but also of Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha.

    The severed heads are an addition by director Neuenfels to the 225-year-old opera, which was last performed by the company in March 2004.

    Harms defended her decision, which she described as "weighing artistic freedom and freedom of a theater ... against the question of security for people's lives."

    But the move immediately provoked strong reactions across Germany.

    Outraged politicians called the decision to pull the production "crazy" and "a fatal signal" of caving into extremism. Response from Germany's Islamic community was mixed, with some praising the decision and others calling on Muslims to accept the role of provocation in art.

    The leader of Germany's Islamic Council welcomed the move, saying a depiction of Mohammed with a severed head "could certainly offend Muslims."

    But in an interview with German radio, Ali Kizilkaya added: "I think it is horrible that one has to be afraid ... That is not the right way to open dialogue."

    The leader of Germany's Turkish community said it was time Muslims accepted freedom of expression in art.

    "This is about art, not about politics," Kenan Kolat told Bavarian Radio. "We should not make art dependent on religion -- then we are back in the Middle Ages."

    Neuenfels has insisted his staging not be altered, saying the scene where the king presents the severed heads represents his protest against "any form of organized religion or its founders."

    "I stand behind my production and will not change it," Neuenfels told the Berliner Morgenpost in its Tuesday edition.

    The opera house's decision comes after the German-born pope infuriated Muslims by quoting the words of a 14th-century Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed as "evil and inhuman," particularly "his command to spread by the sword the faith."

    Earlier this year, violent protests erupted across the Muslim world after a Danish newspaper published 12 cartoons depicting Muhammad. The caricatures were reprinted by dozens of newspapers and Web sites in Europe and elsewhere, often in the name of freedom of expression.

    Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depiction of Mohammed for fear it could lead to idolatry.

    "We know the consequences of the conflict over the (Mohammed) caricatures," Deutsche Oper said in a statement. "We believe that needs to be taken very seriously and hope for your support."

    Berlin security officials had warned Harms that staging the opera could "in its originally produced form .... pose an incalculable security risk to the public and employees."

    But Germany's interior minister condemned the cancellation.

    "That is crazy," said Wolfgang Schaeuble, the country's top security official, speaking to reporters in Washington, D.C. "This is unacceptable."

    It is not only Muslims who have been offended by depictions of religion in art.

    Last month Madonna sparked criticism from some Roman Catholics in Germany for a show that staged a mock crucifixion. Mel Gibson's 2004 movie, "The Passion of Christ" met with disapproval from some Catholics and some Jews. In 2004, a Birmingham, England, theater canceled its run of "Behzti" after a violent protest by members of the Sikh community.

    Still, many in normally open and tolerant Berlin, which has become a home for cutting edge and often contentious artistic productions, cautioned against compromising on issues of freedom of speech and art.

    "Our ideas about openness, tolerance and freedom must be lived on the offensive. Voluntary self-limitation gives those who fight against our values a confirmation in advance that we will not stand behind them," said Mayor Klaus Wowereit.

    Bernd Neumann, the federal government's top cultural official, said that "problems cannot be solved by keeping silent."

    "When the concern over possible protests leads to self-censorship, then the democratic culture of free speech becomes endangered."

    iran

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    • Rasputin
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 63906

      #3
      Opera Canceled Over a Depiction of Muhammad



      BERLIN, Sept. 26 — A leading German opera house has canceled performances of a Mozart opera because of security fears stirred by a scene that depicts the severed head of the Prophet Muhammad, prompting a storm of protest here about what many see as the surrender of artistic freedom.



      The Deutsche Oper Berlin said Tuesday that it had pulled “Idomeneo” from its fall schedule after the police warned of an “incalculable risk” to the performers and the audience.

      The company’s director, ***sten Harms, said she regretted the decision but felt she had no choice. She said she was told in August that the police had received an anonymous threat, but she acted only after extensive deliberations.

      Political and cultural figures throughout Germany condemned the cancellation. Some said it recalled the decision of European newspapers not to reprint satirical cartoons about Muhammad, after their publication in Denmark generated a furor among Muslims.

      Wolfgang Börnsen, a culture spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative bloc in Parliament, accused the opera house of “falling on its knees before the terrorists.”

      “It is a signal to other stages in Germany, or even elsewhere in Europe, to put no works on their programs that criticize Islam,” he said.

      The disputed scene is not part of Mozart’s opera, but was added by the director, Hans Neuenfels. In it, the king of Crete, Idomeneo, carries the heads of Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha and Poseidon on to the stage, placing each on a stool.

      “Idomeneo,” first performed in 1781, tells a mythical story of Poseidon, or Neptune, the god of the sea, who toys with men’s lives and demands spiteful sacrifice.

      The cancellation of the performances fanned a debate in Europe about whether the West is compromising values like free expression to avoid stoking anger in the Muslim world.

      Already in Germany, there is growing sentiment that Pope Benedict XVI may have overdone his contrition for a recent speech in Bavaria, in which he cited a historical reference to Islam as “evil and inhuman.” The speech set off waves of protests in Muslim countries.

      The interior minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, who has defended the pope and called for more dialogue with Muslims in Europe, said canceling the opera was unacceptable and “crazy.”

      Michael Naumann, a former German culture minister, said, “It’s a slap in the face of artistic freedom, by the artists themselves.” Mr. Naumann, now the publisher of the weekly newspaper Die Zeit, added, “The pope showed the way by being so extraordinarily apologetic.”

      The sulfurous public reaction prompted some people to speculate that the decision might eventually be reversed.

      Ms. Harms said the “Idomeneo” production, which was first staged by the Deutsche Oper in 2003, would remain on the opera’s program. It could be performed later, she said, though she would have to consider the political and diplomatic aspects of “this complex issue.”

      The scene with the severed heads aroused controversy among Muslims and Christians when the Deutsche Oper first staged it. But the company was not the target of any organized protests, and the Deutsche Oper put four performances on its calendar for this November.

      Then, in August, came the anonymous threat.

      “All this came in light of the cartoon controversy,” said a police spokesman, Uwe Kozelnik. “We started to investigate and finally concluded that disturbances could not be ruled out.”

      While the police said they did not pressure the Deutsche Oper to cancel the opera, they supported the decision.

      Berlin’s chief security official, Ehrhart Körting, drew a parallel between the decision and that of German newspapers earlier this year to resist reprinting the cartoons depicting Muhammad.

      “Even the German journalists’ association criticized the reprinting of the cartoons because their publication could hurt the religious feelings of one group of people,” Mr. Körting said in a statement.

      Muslim leaders in Germany reacted cautiously. Several planned to participate in a conference on Wednesday organized by the government to foster a better dialogue with Germany’s 3.2 million Muslims.

      The leader of the Islamic Council, Ali Kizilkaya, told a radio station in Berlin that he welcomed the cancellation, saying a depiction of decapitated Muhammad “could certainly offend Muslims.”

      “Nevertheless, of course, I think it is horrible that one has to be afraid,” Mr. Kizilkaya said, according to The Associated Press. “That is not the right way to open dialogue.”

      The head of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany, Ayyub Axel Köhler, declined to comment on the decision, saying he wanted to learn more about the circumstances.

      Those circumstances appear to be in some dispute.

      At a news conference on Tuesday, Ms. Harms said she broached the possibility of removing the offending scene with Mr. Neuenfels. When he resisted, she let the matter drop.

      iran

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      • Rasputin
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        • Jan 2005
        • 63906

        #4
        However, a lawyer for Mr. Neuenfels, Peter Raue, said Ms. Harms telephoned the director on Sept. 9 to tell him she planned to cancel the performances. The issue of tinkering with the ending never came up, Mr. Raue said, and in any event, “you couldn’t change it; it is part of the story.”

        The scene devised by Mr. Neuenfels puts a sanguinary ending on an opera that, in the way Mozart wrote it, ends with King Idomeneo giving up his throne to appease the god of the sea, and blessing the romantic union of his son Idamante with the Greek princess Ilia.

        The severed heads of the religious figures, Mr. Raue said, was meant by Mr. Neuenfels to make a point that “all the founders of religions were figures that didn’t bring peace to the world.”

        André Kraft, spokesman for Komische Oper, a more adventurous opera house where Mr. Neuenfels is engaged in another Mozart production, described the 65-year-old director as “a secularist who does not believe religion solves the problems of the world.”

        For the Deutsche Oper, the cancellation is a major crisis for a prestigious opera company that has been in transition. Founded in 1912 as the Deutsches Opernhaus, the company moved to its present building in western Berlin in 1961, opening with a production of Mozart’s “Don Giovanni.”

        Ms. Harms was appointed director in 2004, coming from a less prominent opera house in the northern German city of Kiel. While there, she said, she faced a bomb threat to the opera house. Ms. Harms plans to present her first production, a little-known work by Alberto Franchetti called “Germania,” on Oct. 15.

        Some critics of the decision to cancel said it revealed the weaknesses of Berlin’s generously supported cultural institutions.

        “Because they are subsidized by the German state, there is a great deal of artistic independence, but also a lack of accountability and intellectual rigor,” said Gary Smith, the director of the American Academy in Berlin.

        The practice of updating classical operas — often with current political or social themes — is common in Germany. But the cancellation of “Idomeneo” could make this production a landmark of another kind.

        “I’ve never heard of something like this, or even similar to it,” said Nikolaus Lehnhoff, a prominent German opera director. “I have seen many politically incorrect performances in Berlin. I think the reaction to the pope’s speech has sensitized the cultural scene.”

        iran

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        • Rasputin
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2005
          • 63906

          #5
          Mozart opera cancelled over severed 'god' heads

          German politicians were aghast yesterday at a decision by a Berlin opera house to cancel performances of Mozart's Idomeneo over concerns they could enrage Muslims and pose a security risk.

          The Deutsche Oper announced on Monday it was replacing four performances of Idomeneo scheduled for November with The Marriage of Figaro and La Traviata.

          The decision was taken after Berlin security officials warned that putting on the opera as planned would present an "incalculable security risk" for the establishment.

          In the production, directed by Hans Neuenfels, King Idomeneo staggers on stage next to the severed heads of Buddha, Jesus, Poseidon and the Prophet Muhammad, which are placed on chairs.

          Two weeks ago, Pope Benedict sparked outrage in the Muslim world by quoting, in a speech in Germany, from a medieval text linking the spread of the Islamic faith to violence.

          Last year, the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish newspaper sparked violent Muslim protests around the world.

          German politicians denounced the opera house's move, with Wolfgang Thierse, the deputy parliamentary speaker, saying it highlighted a new threat to free artistic expression in Germany.

          "Has it come so far that we must limit artistic expression?" he asked. "What will be next?"

          Wolfgang Schaeuble, the Interior Minister, was also critical.

          "We tend to become crazy if we start to forbid Mozart operas being played. We will not accept it," he told a news conference during a visit to Washington.

          But ***sten Harms, director of the Deutsche Oper, defended her decision. She said Ehrhart Koerting, Berlin's top police official, had phoned her in mid-August and warned her of dire consequences if the opera house proceeded with its plan to go ahead with Idomeneo.

          "If I had paid no attention and something had happened, everyone would rightly say that I had ignored the warnings," she said.

          Mr. Koerting issued a statement confirming the conversation, but saying the decision to cancel Idomeneo had been Ms. Harms's alone. Police have said their concern was prompted by an anonymous phone call in June but they had no evidence of a specific threat.

          The Deutsche Oper decision precedes a much-hyped meeting today between Mr. Schaeuble and representatives of the country's Muslim community to discuss ways to improve dialogue and integration.

          About 3.2 million Muslims live in Germany, many of them Turks who arrived after the Second World War and helped fuel the country's postwar economic boom.

          Fears of Islamic radicalization have increased recently, aggravated by a failed bomb attack on two German trains in July. Two Lebanese students have been arrested and German security officials believe they had help from a radical Islamic network.

          iran

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          • mike435
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2006
            • 2104

            #6
            dige shoresho daravordan

            because of some radical fundimintalist we have to put art on hold

            you know i wonder if it would work the other way

            what if the western world were to not tolorate the hate coming from the islamic fundamentilist almost majority of the arab world
            thene maybe that might halt it

            if charchichers and comments about mohamad and plays are hatefull for radical islam and because the radicals go crazy and they are now succeeding in shuting up the hate(example the play) why not the western world do the same thing
            it might break the hate cycle. it might deter thme from making hateful cartoons, from shouting out death to america and israel while they are praying in the religion of peace which they have hijaced and call it islam.


            cant wait to see what europe will be in 20-30 years
            Last edited by mike435; 09-27-2006, 08:36 AM.


            G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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            • donsaeid
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              • Nov 2005
              • 28300

              #7
              hahaha! Let us make some about holocust!!! that wont you like!

              i dislike dobble moral people!!! what you like for your self like it for others too!
              نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


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              • mike435
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                • Aug 2006
                • 2104

                #8
                Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
                hahaha! Let us make some about holocust!!! that wont you like!

                i dislike dobble moral people!!! what you like for your self like it for others too!
                i had a hunch you would bring in the holocust

                ok here is the diffrance

                holocust is diffrint in that it was a tragedy a humiliating thing that happened to people to a group of people ,were many died and yes 6 million died.
                when you desecreat the holocust you desecreating those who perished in it. you are desecrating a fact. you are addaing to there humility
                it would be as if some one comes and starts desecrating the sunnami victoms, lebonies civillian who died in the war, would you allow anyone to desecreat the memory of what happened to the infants in lebonan, would desecrate the memory of the young iranian kids who dies in the iran iraq war fighting as soldires in the battle field
                and so what if freedom of speech allows you to desecreat the memory of the labonies infant who perishid would you excersie that would you allow it

                if anything i think there is a daboul standerds of moral here

                the profits we make fun of theme all the time look how many jokes there are about moses and jeuses. look at american media look how much they play around and make a mochary of moses jeuses and even g-d. best source familyguy some of the funniest one about moses and jeuses




                do you see the diffrance

                tragadys happening to a group of people is diffrnt from a payghambar like moses, jeuses, or mohamad. if one belive in so much that disrispecting these people is insainly bad let g-d deal with them.


                G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                • donsaeid
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 28300

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mike435 View Post

                  the profits we make fun of theme all the time look how many jokes there are about moses and jeuses. look at american media look how much they play around and make a mochary of moses jeuses and even g-d. best source familyguy some of the funniest one about moses and jeuses
                  i have seen them

                  They are Christians mocking their own prophet! if muslim did that to Prophet ok but not a jew or christian!!! because they have other reasons for making that jokes...

                  and no! dont talk about jews or make joke about them because poor people they have atomic bombs!!! and alot of chemical and biological weapons!!!

                  Zionists are scum!!! as much as anyother extremists!!!
                  نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                  «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
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                  • mike435
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 2104

                    #10
                    also desecrating the holocust should not be just a jewish concern but a humaniterian concern at the end of the day we are humanns.

                    dont get me wrong thogh you should be rational if you are in danger you should protect yourself


                    G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                    • mike435
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 2104

                      #11
                      omg man there are jewish jokes left and right

                      writers of family guy i think thet are jewish how come christians dont go crazy and say lets getr the jew he made fun of our prophit

                      also man have a reality check here in the states comdians make racial jokes left and right have you heard of carlos mencia check his stuff if your the type that cant take a joke youll go crazy

                      here for the hell of it ill make a jewish joke

                      why were the jews lost in the desert for 40 years?
                      moses lost a quarter

                      what is a jewish dilema?
                      free ham

                      dont make a holocust joke that is antisemetic see the diffrance between being antisemetic and and making fun of jews


                      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                      • mike435
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 2104

                        #12
                        look i can see what you mean its just a caulture approach

                        muslims take it more seriously than others

                        to stop it they should do it in the right way not bring more attention to it


                        G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                        • donsaeid
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 28300

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                          also desecrating the holocust should not be just a jewish concern but a humaniterian concern at the end of the day we are humanns.

                          dont get me wrong thogh you should be rational if you are in danger you should protect yourself
                          protection? killing 1000 children, women and old people is protection? give me a break!

                          Khoda kheiret bede!!!
                          نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                          «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
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                          • donsaeid
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 28300

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                            omg man there are jewish jokes left and right

                            writers of family guy i think thet are jewish how come christians dont go crazy and say lets getr the jew he made fun of our prophit

                            also man have a reality check here in the states comdians make racial jokes left and right have you heard of carlos mencia check his stuff if your the type that cant take a joke youll go crazy

                            here for the hell of it ill make a jewish joke

                            why were the jews lost in the desert for 40 years?
                            moses lost a quarter

                            what is a jewish dilema?
                            free ham

                            dont make a holocust joke that is antisemetic see the diffrance between being antisemetic and and making fun of jews
                            put your jokes in joke section!
                            نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                            «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
                            صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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                            • mike435
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 2104

                              #15
                              Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
                              protection? killing 1000 children, women and old people is protection? give me a break!

                              Khoda kheiret bede!!!
                              amillion people under sieg in northern israel

                              acapable military that all its life trains to protect it citizen

                              you expect them to do nothing and let a major part of their population suffer

                              i dont think so. they will go after the enemy with the upmost caution not to hit civilians but if you have an enemy that hides behind cavilians unfortanatly with great sadnes they to perish

                              death of innocent cavillians dosent solve anyhing and makes things more complicated and belive israel dosent need more complications

                              tell me what should israel do just sit there let it towns and citys be rocketed
                              those who died died because of hezbolah israel did not want to cause civillian death


                              G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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