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  • #31
    President Carter responded to the challenge by dispatching Ramsey Clark and William Miller, two long-time opponents of America's alliance with the shah, to Tehran. They brought with them a letter signed by Carter that they were supposed to deliver to Khomeini. It contained the assurance that the shah would remain in the U.S. only for the duration of his illness, as well as an offer to procure access to the shah's doctors for Iranian representatives. Second, Carter explicitly recognized the independence and territorial integrity of Iran and expressed his willingness to resume arms exports. Third, he politely asked Khomeini to have the hostages released ("I ask that you release unharmed all Americans presently detained in Iran") and pleaded for dialogue: "I have asked both men to meet with you and to hear from you your perspective on events in Iran and the problems which have arisen between our two countries. The people of the United States desire to have relations with Iran based upon equality, mutual respect and friendship."

    Thus was the first approach by the American president to the leader of the Iranian Revolution. No one could regard the tone of this letter as provocative -- above all, on the background of an act of violence that in other circumstances would have been treated as a declaration of war. What Bowden writes of Precht, the head of the Iran desk at the State Department, applies also to Carter: he "was less concerned with expressing American indignation than with persuasion. He wanted to convince the imam [Khomeini], not confront him." In light of the content of the Carter letter, it is astonishing that it is precisely the U.S. that is continually blamed for the deterioration of relations between the countries.

    Carter's attempted gesture of goodwill was dashed by the stony determination of the ayatollah. Khomeini was not even prepared to permit American emissaries into the country -- not even the likes of Miller and Clark. The catalogue of American punitive measures that would then be taken -- the expulsion of some Iranian diplomats, as well as all Iranians in the U.S. illegally; the cessation of oil imports from Iran; the freezing of Iranian assets in U.S. banks -- likewise failed to make the slightest impression.

    As his next step, Carter, via French mediators, entered into drawn-out negotiations with Iranian President Abolhassan Bani-Sadr and his minister of foreign affairs, Sadegh Ghotbzadeh: two high-profile but in comparison to Khomeini virtually powerless figures. The negotiations quickly took on a peculiar pattern that Bowden describes as follows: "Carter would latch on to a deal proffered by a top Iranian official and grant minor but humiliating concessions, only to have it scotched at the last minute by Khomeini."

    It was not until April 7, 1980 -- the 154th day of the hostage crisis -- that Carter finally broke off diplomatic relations and began to prepare economic sanctions. But not even this seemed to disturb Khomeini. On the contrary, in a message to the Iranian people, he declared: "If Carter has ever done anything in his life to serve the interests of the oppressed, it is this breaking off of relations between an ascendant country that has freed itself from the clutches of the international plunderers and a world-devouring plunderer."5

    America had hoped to influence Iran by using the habitual mix of carrots and sticks. But the Ayatollah Khomeini was indifferent not only to all material incentives -- the carrots -- but also to the threat of violence. Just after the hostage-taking, he dismissed the possibility of an American military response as follows: "We will destroy you all, even if we ourselves die in the process." Later, he would go so far as explicitly to reject the primacy of national interests. "We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah," he declared in a speech in 1980 in Qom. "For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world."

    Any attempt at intimidation was bound to fail in the face of this mentality of self-sacrifice. With the Iranian Revolution, the international community found itself confronted by a new form of irrationalism. Nonetheless, the attitude of the Europeans and the United Nations only made America's dilemmas worse.

    On January 14, 1980, the U.S. submitted a draft resolution to the UN Security Council that would have required all member states "to prevent the supply of all goods, raw materials, and manufactured products -- with the exception of foodstuffs and medicines -- to firms active in Iran." The Soviet Union used its veto.

    At this point, the U.S. tried to convince at least its NATO allies to join it in applying sanctions independently of the UN. But even the closest allies of the U.S. declined. "England's response was lukewarm," Bowden writes; "Canada promised to consult with other nations first; Japan said it would 'carefully study' the idea; West Germany declined outright; Denmark announced it was 'hesitant' to break ties; Italy called such punitive steps 'a mistake.'" In April 1980, Iranian President Bani-Sadr warned the Europeans: If they "followed the USA, they will neither get any oil from us, nor will we buy anything from them." In the first quarter of 1980, West German oil imports from Iran -- at the height of the hostage crisis -- increased by some 50 percent in comparison to the previous year. When the European Community finally agreed on embargo measures on May 17 -- the 195th day of the crisis -- the result was farcical. It was unanimously decided to impose an embargo on all contracts concluded after November 4, 1979 -- i.e., after the occupation of the embassy. All contracts concluded before the hostage crisis remained in force. For Great Britain, even this half-measure went too far. Parliament passed a bill that merely prohibited new contracts -- whereas British firms were authorized to "alter, supplement and expand" existing contracts.6 One can only agree with Bowden when he writes: "The world community deserves blame for failing to respond adequately to the insult. Apart from pronouncements, the United Nations and most of our allies were content to leave the captive American mission to its fate."

    When the hostages were finally set free on January 20, 1981, this was thanks neither to international nor even just allied solidarity, nor, for that matter, to any particular American policy moves. The idea of providing positive incentives had failed just as much as the threat of armed intervention. The hostages were liberated because Tehran had grown weary of holding them. Moreover, following Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran in September 1980, the Iranian regime had other priorities: for instance, the provision of replacement parts for Iranian fighter jets. The hostages represented an obstacle in this connection. But even the liberation of the hostages was presented as a triumph by Khomeini: they were only permitted to leave Iran on the day when Jimmy Carter left the White House. America thus came away from its first major confrontation with Islamism without suffering major losses. But the outcome hardly represented a victory over Khomeini. Quite the contrary.

    After Iran's Islamic Revolution of February 1979, the American government actively sought a modus vivendi with the new regime. The occupation of the embassy was the turning point in the relationship between Islam and the West. It set in motion the process that would issue in the Shiite suicide attacks of the 1980s. On April 18, 1983, Iranian-sponsored suicide bombers blew up the American embassy in Lebanon (50 dead, including 17 Americans). On October 23, 1983, Islamist terrorists destroyed the barracks of American and French troops in Beirut, killing 241 Americans and 58 French. On January 19, 1984, the president of the American University in Beirut was also killed by Islamists. As Khomeini celebrated the fifth anniversary of his revolution in February 1984, America, subjected to yet another humiliation, withdrew from Lebanon.

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        • #34
          man vali too akhbar o ya rooznameye inja chizi nashenidam rajebe khamenei.. motmaene in jaryan?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Michellica View Post
            man vali too akhbar o ya rooznameye inja chizi nashenidam rajebe khamenei.. motmaene in jaryan?
            Az chi motmaen basham Mona jan ?! ...

            Aziz.. shoma ham mesl-e baghieh...Agar beh donbal-e chizi nabashid,in mossalam hast keh akhbar-e vaghaei ro nemitunid beshnavid,bebinid !!! In chiz ha keh nemian dar-e khuneh adam ro bezanan ta ma befahmim keh dastan chieh. hehehehe

            Agar kasi alagheh beh keshvaresh dareh,hamisheh az source hay-e faravani baray-e dashtan-e info estefadeh mikoneh ! Va doust-e aziz-e man, in source ha faravan hastan beh khosus dar internet,mitunid hamin ro dar hamin thread molahezeh konid !

            Beh tor-e mossalam ,agar beh zaban-e Italiano (In your case) search konid,hatman peida mikonid matalebi ro dar in zamineh.

            Moafagh bashid :=) .

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RedWine View Post
              Az chi motmaen basham Mona jan ?! ...

              Aziz.. shoma ham mesl-e baghieh...Agar beh donbal-e chizi nabashid,in mossalam hast keh akhbar-e vaghaei ro nemitunid beshnavid,bebinid !!! In chiz ha keh nemian dar-e khuneh adam ro bezanan ta ma befahmim keh dastan chieh. hehehehe

              Agar kasi alagheh beh keshvaresh dareh,hamisheh az source hay-e faravani baray-e dashtan-e info estefadeh mikoneh ! Va doust-e aziz-e man, in source ha faravan hastan beh khosus dar internet,mitunid hamin ro dar hamin thread molahezeh konid !

              Beh tor-e mossalam ,agar beh zaban-e Italiano (In your case) search konid,hatman peida mikonid matalebi ro dar in zamineh.

              Moafagh bashid :=) .
              donbale ghazie raftam chizi peyda nakardam.. bbc persianam chizi nadasht .. age vagean khamenei dare mimire fekr konam too newsa began mesle jaryane fidel castro..ke ta halesh bad shod zood elam kardan hameja.. ya shayad IRI nemikhad ke in jaryan kasi bedoone vase hamin ziad sedashoono dar nayovordan ya ke chemidunam..

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Michellica View Post
                donbale ghazie raftam chizi peyda nakardam.. bbc persianam chizi nadasht .. age vagean khamenei dare mimire fekr konam too newsa began mesle jaryane fidel castro..ke ta halesh bad shod zood elam kardan hameja.. ya shayad IRI nemikhad ke in jaryan kasi bedoone vase hamin ziad sedashoono dar nayovordan ya ke chemidunam..
                Mona jounam... (Faday-e un ghad va balat..hehehe)

                Azizam, in moshakhass hast keh Akhound ha nemikhan keh in ghazieh kamel moshakhas besheh (Like what is going on right now in Cuba with the other dictator F Castro !!).

                Bana bar in ,in ghazieh faghat bayad dar rouz nameh hayeh khareji-e mo'otabar josteju besheh.

                Az hameh mohemtar,in chizi nist keh kasi betuneh hala halaha,ghayemesh koneh,belakhareh gandesh dar miad.

                Chizi keh man ro khosh hal mikoneh,ineh keh nokar ha va poul begir hayeh akhoundha,hesabi narahat hastan alan chounkeh Khamenei dareh mimireh (Beh darak mireh!).

                Beh har hal,man inja articles,ziad gozashtam az source hay-e mokhtalef,hamin kafi hast baray-e shoma Mona jan,va hamintor baray-e baghieh user ha .

                Rouz khosh :=) .

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                • #38
                  vala Khamenei bemire hatman pesaresho mizaran...ya yeki az oon badtar...vali omidvaram mardome iran jeloye inara betoonan begiran ke vatanemoon azad she..

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                  • #39
                    Manzuret chiye ba akhunda bejangeem. Man hezarta maanaye mokhtalef be un meedam. Ki meekhad beeyad tu kar? Chejuri?

                    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
                    Doust-e khoub-e man ...

                    Avallan man bayad begam keh,Man hich guneh alagheh va ya ehsas-e khassi beh masael-e Israel Palestine va Lebanon nadaram.Beh man cheh marbuteh ? bezanan hamdigar ro bekoshan.. bezanan hamdigar ro az bein bebaran,beh man HICH rabti nadareh ! Man nah felestini hastam va nah israeli ! Man Irani hastam va tanha masael-e marbut beh Iran beh man marbut hast chounkeh keshvar-e man az hameyeh in masael mohemtar hast,hala Zionism bad-e ya Hamas khubeh,beh man marbut nist va intor midunam keh Irani hay-e vaghei ham,mesl-e man fekr mikonan,beh ma ha marbut nist keh inha mikhan cheh konan.

                    In ta inja ...

                    Tamam-e masaeli keh gofti dorost va kamel hast,khosh hal hastam keh la'aghal yek nafar inja hast keh in masael ro dark mikoneh va Politic Science ro mishnaseh !

                    Dar mored-e Khamenei bayad begam keh in adam,roo beh marg hast,dareh mimireh va situation Iran,shadidan beh khatar khahad oftad az in nazar keh mabada jang-e dakheli besheh chounkeh Sepah az Khamenei defa'a mikoneh va Basij az Ahmadi Nejad,va Army ham az Rafsanjani. ma bayad mottahed beshim va dast dar dast berim jelo va ba in kesaffat ha bejangim va akhound ha ro az keshvar beh birun bendazim,in hadaf-e man va hadaf-e irani hayeh azadi khah hast.

                    Sepas Gozaram keh deghatt kardi beh sohbat hayeh man doust-e aziz :=) .



                    Take him and cut him out in little stars,
                    and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
                    that all the world will be in love with night,
                    and pay no worship to the garish sun

                    - Shakespeare

                    "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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                    • #40
                      Dar zemn az har kesi bepors man Irani-vaghei hastam ya na, meegan hastam. Vali man be omuri ke mostagheeman be Irani rabt dare ham khayli ahameyat meedam. Een falsafato agar khasti baram tozeeh bede chera faghat bayad be Irani ahameeyat bedam. Chera ensaniyati ke nesbat be Afrighai-ha Yahudi-ha va Felestini-ha, Badbakhtaye har keshvari.... ro bayad bezaram kenar

                      Originally posted by RedWine View Post


                      Avallan man bayad begam keh,Man hich guneh alagheh va ya ehsas-e khassi beh masael-e Israel Palestine va Lebanon nadaram.Beh man cheh marbuteh ? bezanan hamdigar ro bekoshan.. bezanan hamdigar ro az bein bebaran,beh man HICH rabti nadareh ! Man nah felestini hastam va nah israeli ! Man Irani hastam va tanha masael-e marbut beh Iran beh man marbut hast chounkeh keshvar-e man az hameyeh in masael mohemtar hast,hala Zionism bad-e ya Hamas khubeh,beh man marbut nist va intor midunam keh Irani hay-e vaghei ham,mesl-e man fekr mikonan,beh ma ha marbut nist keh inha mikhan cheh konan.

                      Take him and cut him out in little stars,
                      and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
                      that all the world will be in love with night,
                      and pay no worship to the garish sun

                      - Shakespeare

                      "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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                      • #41
                        مجتبی خامنه ای
                        می خواهد با دست خبرگان
                        و زور فرماندهان
                        عمامه رهبری بر سر بگذارد




                        مايکل ليدن مشاور و محقق موسسه "انترپرايز" در امور خاورميانه و بويژه ايران است. او هدايت بسياری از ارتباط ها و طرح های براندازی در ايران را بدست دارد. مقاله ای که در اين شماره پيک نت از او می خوانيد تازه ای ترين مقاله وی است، که شايد بی ارتباط با کشاکش بر سر انتخابات مجلس خبرگان نباشد. اگر آنچه که او مدعی شده صحت داشته باشد و ادعاهايش از منابع واقعا معتبر بدست آمده باشد، بايد کشاکش کنونی بر سر ترکيب مجلس خبرگان آينده را از جمله در همين ارتباط نيز دانست: فشار فرماندهان سپاه برای دراختيار داشتن اين مجلس و يا چنان بی اعتبار و کم وزن ساختن آن که يا پس از خامنه ای تحت کنترل شورای فرماندهان سپاه باشد و يا اعلام انحلال آن آسان.

                        از جانب ديگر، در صورت صحت ادعاهای مايکل لدين، آن تلاشی که رهبر برای بردن شماری روحانی ميانه سال و بی ريشه به مجلس خبرگان دارد نيز نبايد بی ارتباط با اين اطلاعات باشد. روحانيون ميانه سالی، که اغلب آنها از هم دوره ای های تحصيل حوزه ای "مجتبی» پسر او هستند. اين روحانيون ظاهرا به مجلس خبرگان می روند تا زمينه ساز نشستن پسر به جای پدر شوند و سلطنت را کامل کنند. مجتبی خامنه ای، در عين حال نه تنها نزديک ترين روابط را با فرماندهان سپاه دارد، بلکه درتمام جلسات شورای فرماندهی سپاه حضور دارد و گاه نظرات رهبر را او به فرماندهان ابلاغ می کند. مجتبی خامنه ای، چهار سال پيش، بنابر ادعای علی خامنه ای به درجه اجتهاد رسيده است اما هنوز معلوم نيست که اين اجتهاد را آيت الله مصباح يزدی به تنهائی تائيد کرده و يا روحانيون شناخته شده ديگری نيز در حوزه علميه قم آن را تائيد کرده اند.

                        از آنجا که اجتهاد تنها شرط مذهبی برای رهبر شدن در جمهوری اسلامی اعلام شده، بسيار طبيعی که مجتبی خامنه ای نيز برای نشستن به جای پدر خود را آماده کرده باشد، بويژه آنکه با شورای فرماندهان سپاه نزديکترين رابطه را دارد و حتی آنگونه که شنيده می شود، راز دار امور اتمی ايران نيز پس از علی خامنه ای، مجتبی خامنه ايست. يعنی محرمانه ترين اطلاعات حکومتی، که برای جايگزينی بجای پدر نيز شرطی الزامی است!!



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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by joubin View Post
                          Manzuret chiye ba akhunda bejangeem. Man hezarta maanaye mokhtalef be un meedam. Ki meekhad beeyad tu kar? Chejuri?
                          Jangidan 1000 ta form dareh ! Yek Irani-e vaghei bayad bedun-e koja,kei,beh cheh vasileh mituneh bejangeh va ta koja va beh cheh nahvi-i mituneh mofid basheh.

                          Montaha moshkel injast keh irani ha ya tarsu hastan va ya political information nadaran va dard beh hamin ja kholaseh misheh.



                          Originally posted by joubin View Post
                          Dar zemn az har kesi bepors man Irani-vaghei hastam ya na, meegan hastam. Vali man be omuri ke mostagheeman be Irani rabt dare ham khayli ahameyat meedam. Een falsafato agar khasti baram tozeeh bede chera faghat bayad be Irani ahameeyat bedam. Chera ensaniyati ke nesbat be Afrighai-ha Yahudi-ha va Felestini-ha, Badbakhtaye har keshvari.... ro bayad bezaram kenar

                          Doust-e aziz man manzour-e shoma ro mifahmam va ta andazei ham khodam ro shabih-e shoma mibinam,montaha alan hich chizi vajeb tar az Iran nist ! alan faghat bayad beh fekr Iran boud va beh fekr-e azadi-e Iran.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RedWine View Post
                            Jangidan 1000 ta form dareh ! Yek Irani-e vaghei bayad bedun-e koja,kei,beh cheh vasileh mituneh bejangeh va ta koja va beh cheh nahvi-i mituneh mofid basheh.

                            Montaha moshkel injast keh irani ha ya tarsu hastan va ya political information nadaran va dard beh hamin ja kholaseh misheh.



                            Doust-e aziz man manzour-e shoma ro mifahmam va ta andazei ham khodam ro shabih-e shoma mibinam,montaha alan hich chizi vajeb tar az Iran nist ! alan faghat bayad beh fekr Iran boud va beh fekr-e azadi-e Iran.
                            Sad dar sad Irani bayad alan aval be Iran ahameyat bede va baad be cheezaye deege, chon vataneshe ke nemeetune enkar kone va vel kone. Tu een rah, bayad betunand fekre manteghi va elmi beeshtar bokonand va yek etehade dorost hesabi dorost konand.

                            Va tu hameen rahe... ke baraye mane shakhs vazehe ke vaghat dolate Iran neest ke azadi ro az ma gerefte. Be nazare man, amreka vaghti be jaye ma tasmeem meegeere va be ma "yad" meede ke che kar koneem, een az hame cheez beeshtar azadiye ma ro gerefte, azadiye hamoon chiz ke lazeme ke meefarmaii... natarseedan, etehad, va fekre manteghi dar baraye rahe hal. Ma hasteem va na amreka ke bayad tasmeem begeereem, va amreka kheyli eshtebah meekone ke be jaye ma tasmeem meegeere va tarafdar payda meekone.

                            Een yek mesale vazehe ke chera omure keshvarhaye deege be keshvare ayadeye ma va azadiye ma rabte mostagheem dare... Aslan tu een systeme jahani, ba een adamhayi ke alan tu donya sare karan, be nazar nameeyad ke azadi be dast avordani bashe. Bar alayhe een ha ham bayad jangeed, va eenjuri be tore kameltari be nateeje meereseem.

                            Man ham az javabe shoma sepas gozaram. Omidvaram ke harfhaye ghadimi baraye shoma nagofte basham.
                            Last edited by zubin; 12-19-2006, 09:50 AM.
                            Take him and cut him out in little stars,
                            and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
                            that all the world will be in love with night,
                            and pay no worship to the garish sun

                            - Shakespeare

                            "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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                            • #44
                              Dar zemn Redwine Jan, fekr nakoni az mokhalefat narahat meesham. Aslan az mokhalefat narahat nemeesham. Ramin
                              Take him and cut him out in little stars,
                              and he will make the face of heaven so fine,
                              that all the world will be in love with night,
                              and pay no worship to the garish sun

                              - Shakespeare

                              "In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny." - JS Mill

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                              • #45
                                shomaha hamatoon dam az iran mizanin, vali khob omadim va farda iran dige azad shod? shomaha chikar mikonin? zendegihaye rahatetoon ro vel mikonin berin iran zendegi konin? Rast migi Siamak, mobareze 1000 no dareh, vali so what? bayad did ahdafemoon az avaz kardane iran in hast ke khodemoon ro sharik ba melate iran bedoonim ta haddi ke berim khodemoon be iran va barayeh irani khedmat konim. khodet ro dar in had mibini?

                                va ama khamenei agar mariz ham bashe, maloome ke karnameye tamizi nadareh. baese marge sadha javooneh bi gonah boode, ke khodesh bayad be hamoon khodaei ke kheili az onaye ke koshte miparastidan be hamoon khoda javabe karhayeh badesh ro bedeh, ke motmaenan az pase javabi bar nemiyad.

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