Is the U.S. an Empire?

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  • Rasputin
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #1

    Is the U.S. an Empire?

    Iraq alone would not decide whether America had become or was to become an empire. Other issues might also have an impact: To what degree would the United States attempt to enforce a regime of nuclear nonproliferation when its allies were lukewarm about the tough confrontations such policing might entail?

    To what degree would the United States prove reluctant to demand exemptions -- in their way a sort of imperial prerogative -- as other lesser powers sought to construct an international legal order, such as the international court of justice, or energy emission regimes? To what degree would the United States risk war to protect the independence and security of its major Pacific clients, South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan, the latter above all claiming a status that accorded with American values but not with the long-standing accommodation with China?

    And even these issues alone could not separate empire from leadership or ascendancy and preponderance or hegemony. To choose empire would confirm internal transformations, some of which Americans liked without facing up to their implications, others of which would not be openly accepted.

    To accept empire would be to confirm the trends toward inequality and toward further emphases on the public status of elites, whether of money, of advanced education, or of celebrity status. It would be to confirm the capacity of the executive -- what Arthur Schlesinger had called the imperial presidency -- to further evade control by other branches of government.

    It would give greater strength to the instruments of plebiscitarian consultation -- public opinion polls and focus groups and television audiences -- at the cost of congressional deliberation. None of this was inevitable, however. David Hume had once speculated that absolute monarchy might be "the easiest death, the true euthanasia, of the British constitution," but still preferable to a democracy riven by factionalism. His concern proved excessive, and to envision empire as the inexorable euthanasia of the American Republic might well be alarmist as well.


    Still, just as Hume might envisage absolutism as a lesser evil, so imperial tendencies were not totally repugnant and indeed might prove attractive. Empires eroded individual liberties and marginalized dissent, but encouraged cosmopolitanism. To slide toward empire would still allow an ever more diverse American society to persevere in its growing acceptance of multiculturalism and its toleration of immigrants and minorities.

    To sidle toward imperial institutions might facilitate an activist intervention abroad on behalf of the rule of law and against human rights abuses. Separation of powers, after all, had often made America stingy and self-regarding. The commitment to spread democracy outside the United States, as advocated by the ambitious presidents of the past century -- Woodrow Wilson, the two Roosevelts, Truman, Reagan, and the second Bush -- might thrive under an imperial regime. Adversaries who resorted to terrorism, whether in the Middle East or in Manhattan, would render the evolution toward empire even more acceptable.

    The idea that their country was, or might become, an empire still repelled, and, what is even more fundamental, struck Americans as intuitively at odds with their institutions and community. Nonetheless, the trajectory had its attractions, and therein lay the openness of the moment.

    iran
  • Dokhtar Bandari
    Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 1099

    #2
    So... what is your point????
    I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
    I would be pure, for there are those who care;
    I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
    I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
    I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
    I would be giving and forget the gift;
    I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
    I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
    Howard Walter

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    • mike435
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 2104

      #3
      america is the greatest empire ever lived
      america over all is the best thing that has ever happened to the world


      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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      • Dokhtar Bandari
        Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 1099

        #4
        Mike, I am pretty sure that Empiralism is a dirty word in Islam specially when it comes down to West, due to Saladin and the Crusaders. Especially when Bush after 9/11 made the statement about "this crusade will take a while"....but what I don't get Red Win's point in posting this, what's the point? Are u informing us or looking for feed back or participation...what what???? speak man...lol



        Originally posted by mike435 View Post
        america is the greatest empire ever lived
        america over all is the best thing that has ever happened to the world
        I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
        I would be pure, for there are those who care;
        I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
        I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
        I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
        I would be giving and forget the gift;
        I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
        I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
        Howard Walter

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        • mike435
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2006
          • 2104

          #5
          look empire has a negeative conotation no doubt

          but i personaly think america is a good empire
          it asction and might is that of an empire
          but this time it is a good empire that has bettered the world becuase of it

          what do you think


          G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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          • mike435
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2006
            • 2104

            #6
            is us anything less than empire,
            sets its own rules enforces rules polices on the world and when the emperor decides to visit one of the places under its sphere of influence, the guest country embraces for it as if their mashiah is coming.


            G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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            • Dokhtar Bandari
              Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 1099

              #7
              Mike, I am not qualified to say they are or are not. And I am not sure about them being a savior...not saying they are not, but not sure. I think they have been elemental in progress in the fields of mind and technology but they also have not been very nice about sharing...all else I dunno.


              Originally posted by mike435 View Post
              is us anything less than empire,
              sets its own rules enforces rules polices on the world and when the emperor decides to visit one of the places under its sphere of influence, the guest country embraces for it as if their mashiah is coming.
              I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
              I would be pure, for there are those who care;
              I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
              I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
              I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
              I would be giving and forget the gift;
              I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
              I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
              Howard Walter

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              • maryam9
                Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 644

                #8
                Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                america is the greatest empire ever lived
                america over all is the best thing that has ever happened to the world
                Dont you mean the PERSIAN empire??

                Plus, theres no such thing as an American Empire
                Mary's back, back again

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                • mike435
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2104

                  #9
                  Originally posted by maryam9 View Post
                  Dont you mean the PERSIAN empire??

                  Plus, theres no such thing as an American Empire

                  well in terms of original empires yea i guess iran is

                  but in terms of a single body, america has contributed more than any other
                  no empire in history of the have propelled and mafe the world collectivly a much better place



                  america is like an empire


                  G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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