Terrorism of Zionism

[mike435]

also dont bring religious text into here
you mentioned somthing about qouran and defending land and not attacking

iranian soil was not islamic soil and yet throgh violance and attacks islam spread in to perisa,

spain was not muslim terotory
islam spread there to(but there it was one of few times in the history of europe when all religious lived side by side and prospered together until arabs lost the rule)

wasnt a mojor fihure of islam a celeberated worrior by the way islam is the only religio to my knowledg that has a major major figure in it who is a celebrated worrior

and if you want to talk religion

1. ISRAEL BECAME A STATE IN 1312 B.C., TWO MILLENNIA
BEFORE ISLAM;

2. ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL BEGAN CALLING THEMSELVES
"PALESTINIANS" IN 1967, TWO DECADES AFTER (MODERN)
ISRAELI STATEHOOD;

3. AFTER CONQUERING THE LAND IN 1272 B.C., JEWS RULED
IT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS AND MAINTAINED A CONTINUOUS
PRESENCE THERE FOR 3,300 YEARS;

4. THE ONLY ARAB RULE FOLLOWING CONQUEST IN 633 B.C.
LASTED JUST 22 YEARS;

5. FOR OVER 3,300 YEARS, JERUSALEM WAS THE JEWISH
CAPITAL. IT WAS NEVER THE CAPITAL OF ANY ARAB OR
MUSLIM ENTITY. EVEN UNDER JORDANIAN RULE, (EAST)
JERUSALEM WAS NOT MADE THE CAPITAL, AND NO ARAB LEADER
CAME TO VISIT IT;

6. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 700 TIMES IN THE BIBLE,
BUT NOT ONCE IS IT MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN;

7. KING DAVID FOUNDED JERUSALEM; MOHAMMED NEVER SET
FOOT IN IT;

persian king maybe you are the one that is misslead and cant take some truths

forget the details for a minute

agree with me that there is somthing wrong with the palastinian culture and the arab world in general

agree with me that arabs and other fellow muslims dont really care about the palastinians

agree that palastinians perfer violance and hate to peace.

i also agree that israel isnt perfect nor all zionist actions. but i perfer the zionis israeli imperfections to the perfect ideal arab palastinian perfection which calls for the destruction of israel all of it, and death of all jews in the israeli land.

and if palastinian want it better they should stand up and take control of their own destiny throgh right ways not hate not terorist attacks non of that

also persian king stay out of these conversations, you dont have the facts nor the objective knowledg if you want to post somthing run it by don saeid first and let him do it for you. he will add facts and evidance and present it in a more objective way.

[donsaeid]

plz dont post dobble in different places

[mike435]

plz dont post dobble in different places

sure i was just gonne keep it to this but than i thoght it was seeing the whole thing so i posted it

wont happen again

[donsaeid]

Keep it Fresh

[persian_king]

hey Mike, i think you should stop judging people especially me cause you ARE NOBODY to tell me whether i can write something in here or not. you wanna talk about something go ahead i dont give a F.., but i wont let you or anybody else to tell me what to write or not especially a JEW.

first of all, i wrote the sources, but i think you are blind enough to not see it.

second of all, i dont give a damn if israel was a state before muslim tritory, still doesnt make it perfect.

third of all, you didnt know shi t about Iranian History so stop representing yourself as the first persian amercian politician cause you are a shame.

forth of all, again you dont know shit about quran , so you wont know what is written in it.

fifth of all, quran talks about all the prophets , but bible and all other books never talked about their previous prophets, that is one of the reasons quran is a complete book.

sixth of all, again lack of knowlegde in you is so obvious, that im deciding not to mention seventh and eight and so on , cause Ghods was the first capital of Islam , so mohammed SAT foot there as well.
and dont be looking for any sources or books or articles in westwood, cause you cant find one, if you really want to find something against jews go look for it in ORANge COUNTY lol.

finally, im not defending palestinian arabs, im just defending innocent people and talking against a government which doesnt have anything from itself and want to gain more through war and force and violence.

also dont bring religious text into here
you mentioned somthing about qouran and defending land and not attacking

iranian soil was not islamic soil and yet throgh violance and attacks islam spread in to perisa,

spain was not muslim terotory
islam spread there to(but there it was one of few times in the history of europe when all religious lived side by side and prospered together until arabs lost the rule)

wasnt a mojor fihure of islam a celeberated worrior by the way islam is the only religio to my knowledg that has a major major figure in it who is a celebrated worrior

and if you want to talk religion

1. ISRAEL BECAME A STATE IN 1312 B.C., TWO MILLENNIA
BEFORE ISLAM;

2. ARAB REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL BEGAN CALLING THEMSELVES
"PALESTINIANS" IN 1967, TWO DECADES AFTER (MODERN)
ISRAELI STATEHOOD;

3. AFTER CONQUERING THE LAND IN 1272 B.C., JEWS RULED
IT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS AND MAINTAINED A CONTINUOUS
PRESENCE THERE FOR 3,300 YEARS;

4. THE ONLY ARAB RULE FOLLOWING CONQUEST IN 633 B.C.
LASTED JUST 22 YEARS;

5. FOR OVER 3,300 YEARS, JERUSALEM WAS THE JEWISH
CAPITAL. IT WAS NEVER THE CAPITAL OF ANY ARAB OR
MUSLIM ENTITY. EVEN UNDER JORDANIAN RULE, (EAST)
JERUSALEM WAS NOT MADE THE CAPITAL, AND NO ARAB LEADER
CAME TO VISIT IT;

6. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 700 TIMES IN THE BIBLE,
BUT NOT ONCE IS IT MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN;

7. KING DAVID FOUNDED JERUSALEM; MOHAMMED NEVER SET
FOOT IN IT;

persian king maybe you are the one that is misslead and cant take some truths

forget the details for a minute

agree with me that there is somthing wrong with the palastinian culture and the arab world in general

agree with me that arabs and other fellow muslims dont really care about the palastinians

agree that palastinians perfer violance and hate to peace.

i also agree that israel isnt perfect nor all zionist actions. but i perfer the zionis israeli imperfections to the perfect ideal arab palastinian perfection which calls for the destruction of israel all of it, and death of all jews in the israeli land.

and if palastinian want it better they should stand up and take control of their own destiny throgh right ways not hate not terorist attacks non of that

also persian king stay out of these conversations, you dont have the facts nor the objective knowledg if you want to post somthing run it by don saeid first and let him do it for you. he will add facts and evidance and present it in a more objective way.

[mike435]

hey Mike, i think you should stop judging people especially me cause you ARE NOBODY to tell me whether i can write something in here or not. you wanna talk about something go ahead i dont give a F.., but i wont let you or anybody else to tell me what to write or not especially a JEW.

first of all, i wrote the sources, but i think you are blind enough to not see it.

second of all, i dont give a damn if israel was a state before muslim tritory, still doesnt make it perfect.

third of all, you didnt know shi t about Iranian History so stop representing yourself as the first persian amercian politician cause you are a shame.

forth of all, again you dont know shit about quran , so you wont know what is written in it.

fifth of all, quran talks about all the prophets , but bible and all other books never talked about their previous prophets, that is one of the reasons quran is a complete book.

sixth of all, again lack of knowlegde in you is so obvious, that im deciding not to mention seventh and eight and so on , cause Ghods was the first capital of Islam , so mohammed SAT foot there as well.
and dont be looking for any sources or books or articles in westwood, cause you cant find one, if you really want to find something against jews go look for it in ORANge COUNTY lol.

finally, im not defending palestinian arabs, im just defending innocent people and talking against a government which doesnt have anything from itself and want to gain more through war and force and violence.

listen i dont go myself by the religious facts that i have posted but it was just a repli to your religious facts and about the quaran yea the quoran is the only major religion that acknoledges other religons, but like all the other religions if you are not that religion you pertymuch go to hell. except i think in jewish religion were it says non jew also go to hevan if they fallow like 7 simple lawa major one being beliving in g-d


what definatly affends me is when you said especialy from a jew

that means you have prejudice on me or that because i am a jew my word is worth less

thene about the source i went there i did not see it if you saw it there post the link for me and copypaste it.

and what is there for israel to gain from palastinian teriroty it is as baran as its own land.

at least in there part of the land they ave developed it and made it a hevan alomst

nobody but the palastinians want those land belive me.

[mike435]

also regarding running for a position in the political system

i am a us citizren going after votes ok i have to satisy the voter to get votes

also who cares if i know the history of iran or not i am in the us i need to know the history of this country. what i do need to know is my persian culture so i can relate to the people and the history that affects and influenses that culture.

so wether or not if i know that minute claim of your about jews some 1000 plus year ago makes no diffrance because most persians or for that matter most people dont draw conclutions other based on what happened thousends of years go. and pluse so far havnt found supporting evidance about your claims persian king.

[donsaeid]

also regarding running for a position in the political system

i am a us citizren going after votes ok i have to satisy the voter to get votes

also who cares if i know the history of iran or not i am in the us i need to know the history of this country. what i do need to know is my persian culture so i can relate to the people and the history that affects and influenses that culture.

so wether or not if i know that minute claim of your about jews some 1000 plus year ago makes no diffrance because most persians or for that matter most people dont draw conclutions other based on what happened thousends of years go. and pluse so far havnt found supporting evidance about your claims persian king.

Zionists did... they say because GOD give that place to us for 3000 years ago That place belongs to us!

[mike435]

listen were is one place that you can bring all jews to that 99 percent of jews can relate to

it is Jeruslam

the place every year on pesah the say next year in jeruslam


and right now it is nologer the question where should jews be it is a fact that jews are in israel
they are willing to go back to their internationaly recocgnized border in exchange for basic things and acceptable things things that the world body owes theme things such as regognition and security. that is not a big deal it is very simple to

the land is their for the palastinians they dont even have to fight for it
all they need to do is accept the jewish state and make peac with it.

maby they will realize this faster once they recognise their reality that israel is not going anywere and their whole people will go down and be anahilated simultainiously as they get rit of the jews in order to live in all of current day israel.

the palastinians are just to greedy barack was giving theme gaza and almost all of west bank and a shared capital of jeruslam

but they didnt take it alll they had to do was accept israel and give israel securit and they would have had their land, a home land, an identity, an end to israeli check points and military presence but no they wanted all of it and now they are suffering the consequences more than the israelis.

they live with out dignity they live in condition that are unberable to most people but i guss they perfer that to the unrealizable hope of ever getting all of israel. a land that the jews built from scratch with hard work and labor.

lol to anyone who ever thinks they can get telaviv, haifa, jeruslam, elat....

1948 israel is recognized internationaly at that time all of israel was desert and only a litle bit of it was telaviv telaviv was the only real city they got. Infact when they were declearing the state some jews were saying maybe it is better we live under arab occupation then declearing such a small and weak country that could be wiped out by all the oposing sorrounding arab countrys.
but the arabs were greedy they thoght they could do better and they got screwed not onlt did they not cruch the young state but they had to fight for one year and at the end it was pert much equal

thene there was 53 and the suez wich is perty much irelavnt to land and stuff

after was 1967 when they started to advertized openly that they will push the jews in the ocean but with a preemtive attack the arabs not only lost the war but were humiliated with 3/4th of egyption airforce gone and israeli''s wining a 3 to 1 tank victory and with it the israelis got sainai, westbanck, gaza, and golan hights

right after they said they will do a land for peace deal with all the countries that lost but they refused

and in 1973 they thoght they can get it back by launching a surprise victory but they lost that to with alot of cassuailtys on both sides

thene eqypt accepted israel and got its land back and now both countires live in peac.

jordan accepted isreal and now they live in peace(also alot of jordanian people visit israel and viseversa"

all the palastinians have to do is accept israe and give it security and they have their country.

[persian_king]

what a waste of time!!!
if i knew you are not persian, i wouldnt reply even one of your messages. if i wanted to talk back to an american i would go to an AMERCIAN forum. phew no more messages to NON persians.

also regarding running for a position in the political system

i am a us citizren going after votes ok i have to satisy the voter to get votes

also who cares if i know the history of iran or not i am in the us i need to know the history of this country. what i do need to know is my persian culture so i can relate to the people and the history that affects and influenses that culture.

so wether or not if i know that minute claim of your about jews some 1000 plus year ago makes no diffrance because most persians or for that matter most people dont draw conclutions other based on what happened thousends of years go. and pluse so far havnt found supporting evidance about your claims persian king.

[mike435]

i didnt know citizen ship of one country nollifys generation upon generation of culture and heritage

and even if i am an american citizen(proud by the way)
look what a sad example of a persian you are when you say you wont talk to me because i am an "american" before it was a waste of time because i was a jew now because i am an american citizen

i am a proud pesian american jew. now you have 3 reasons not to talk to one i am persian and your not, 2 i am an american and you are not and 3 i am a jew and your not

persians arnt great because it was a wast of time for them to talke communicate and contribute to other cultures and people, we are a great people because we are among the most tolarant nations in the middle east and only in the past 26 not among the world most tolarant, we are among the only ethnicity in america that has made alot of contributions in the least amount of time

persian americans didnt do this because it was a waist of time for them to talke to non persian or to talk to jews

be ashamed of your self for making yourself sound like a racist person

it would be such a "dissapointment" if a non persian american read what you said
shame on you shame on you



dont bother responding because i know i am a waist of time for you
after all i am a persian american jew

a real persian does not hate and a real human dosent disrispect because of affiliation

if you fined it nessary to disrispect me(because you disagree with what i say)

thane disrespect me hate on me

not persians (by making your self sound as if persians dont talk to others and are haters)
not americans (by saying because i am an american it is a waist waste your time to tlke to me)
not jews (when you said i dont take it especialy from a jew or somthing very simmiler)

disrespect me the individual not others
hate on me not the peopel i associate with

hate the way you love to hate

and you call your self persian king, you are a mochary of a persian king, remeber who dariush was he was a persian king and more importantly remeber what he instituded a human bill of rights the first nation to that in a government

[donsaeid]

listen were is one place that you can bring all jews to that 99 percent of jews can relate to

it is Jeruslam

the place every year on pesah the say next year in jeruslam


and right now it is nologer the question where should jews be it is a fact that jews are in israel
they are willing to go back to their internationaly recocgnized border in exchange for basic things and acceptable things things that the world body owes theme things such as regognition and security. that is not a big deal it is very simple to

the land is their for the palastinians they dont even have to fight for it
all they need to do is accept the jewish state and make peac with it.

maby they will realize this faster once they recognise their reality that israel is not going anywere and their whole people will go down and be anahilated simultainiously as they get rit of the jews in order to live in all of current day israel.

the palastinians are just to greedy barack was giving theme gaza and almost all of west bank and a shared capital of jeruslam

but they didnt take it alll they had to do was accept israel and give israel securit and they would have had their land, a home land, an identity, an end to israeli check points and military presence but no they wanted all of it and now they are suffering the consequences more than the israelis.

they live with out dignity they live in condition that are unberable to most people but i guss they perfer that to the unrealizable hope of ever getting all of israel. a land that the jews built from scratch with hard work and labor.

lol to anyone who ever thinks they can get telaviv, haifa, jeruslam, elat....

1948 israel is recognized internationaly at that time all of israel was desert and only a litle bit of it was telaviv telaviv was the only real city they got. Infact when they were declearing the state some jews were saying maybe it is better we live under arab occupation then declearing such a small and weak country that could be wiped out by all the oposing sorrounding arab countrys.
but the arabs were greedy they thoght they could do better and they got screwed not onlt did they not cruch the young state but they had to fight for one year and at the end it was pert much equal

thene there was 53 and the suez wich is perty much irelavnt to land and stuff

after was 1967 when they started to advertized openly that they will push the jews in the ocean but with a preemtive attack the arabs not only lost the war but were humiliated with 3/4th of egyption airforce gone and israeli''s wining a 3 to 1 tank victory and with it the israelis got sainai, westbanck, gaza, and golan hights

right after they said they will do a land for peace deal with all the countries that lost but they refused

and in 1973 they thoght they can get it back by launching a surprise victory but they lost that to with alot of cassuailtys on both sides

thene eqypt accepted israel and got its land back and now both countires live in peac.

jordan accepted isreal and now they live in peace(also alot of jordanian people visit israel and viseversa"

all the palastinians have to do is accept israe and give it security and they have their country.

Mike you really have alot of double standards! and with that i cant have a constructive conversation with you!!!! sorry waist of time nothing personal

[mike435]

nevermined

[donsaeid]

i read what you wrote

im going to still be active! but just look above!
You are talking about him using 1000 years old stuff and that this is not reflacting argumentation for now!
But you are talking about Jerusalem and talking about it being best place for jews! im sure it is! best place for me is Iran! but sorrily i cant live there! and zionisms reasoning is that god said that 3000 years ago!

So give me a good reason for
why jews moved to that area? and occupied it? and Called it Israel?

[mike435]

why it was a place were every jew could relate to it simple as that
it was an ancestrial place and they decided to go back were they came from

infact the hardoce zionist at fist wanted a place anywere in the world
but the only right place for israel was the jewish ancetrial home land

also you have to keep in mined if that region was populated they wouldnt have been able to settle their
and even the places they did set up were mostley empty places

telaviv was a sand dun until some jewish pioniers from yaffa decided to move up and built there this was during and even before britishmandate.

it was only after the state was decleared that the population started moving about the internationaly recognised boarders

and even thene it was mostly a desert

also the jews most of the land they got they were buying them from the arabs go look back almost all jews from around the world donated to JNF to purchase land in the region at high cost they boght it plot by plot, sometimes they would buy the house form the indiginous people with everything inside and give theme bus rides to jordan(pree indipendance)

when the war started most of the indiginis muslims left to arab countries with out even seeing israeli soldirs this is west bank and gaza. because the arabs had told them to get out so they can get rit of the israelis and then they could come back

and yes some of the land was conquered in tarditional way of expelling people, but that is war thats what happens when the arab countries decid to try to wipe out the country and they loose the gamble they lost what they risked
and even now they still havnt really lost anything it is still there they just have to recognize israel and gurantee saftey.


let me ask you somthing

do you belive that the palastinians and the arabs were greedy? you can say israelis to but then look they only took more land when they were attacked if they hadnt been porvoked they wouldnt have and even thene it was there policy to take land for a peac nagotionion.
both israel and the people of the region now palastinians were offered the same amount of land and infact palastinians a better pice the jews other than telaviv it was all the negev desert israelis accepted but the palastinians refused.

do you agree that they couldnt stand seeing the jews there there for they tried gambled to expel them but they lost more land and they were left behind to
and to this day as israelis progress the palastinians are still trying to get back their land and it is not becuse israel is not willing to give it to them remember majority of israelis are ok with giving back the west back a land they foght so hard to keep. but they will only give it back under a condition that it will not jepordise there longivity and their saftey.

do you agree with me that arabs dont give a rats butt about the palastinians? do you know their have been refugee problems all around the world major one in the past century i think the only signifigantly large refugee group that hasnt been obsorbed are the palastinians arabs theme self refuse to let palastinians in their sociotys

israel and the palastinian situation is just a paun dull for the arabs to distract their own people and for wester defense companies to rich

do you agree that it is extremly profitable for the europeans to have this conflict in the region? if peace comes in the region it will be israel and the arabs who will start doing trade among theme selfs harming all the money going into the european pocket.

do you know how much wepon the US russia and Europe sell to israel and the arabs.

zionism has a defensiv poster but a very dangerous defensive posture. if you invoke it you will get hurt.

why do you think out of all the arab wars when israel was so signifigantly out numbered they one becuase they had no other option but victory it was that or death.
For the arabs thogh they could have really cared less.