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  • Rasputin
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #1

    Jihadist Christians (+Video Clip)

    Children’s Boot Camp for the Culture Wars .


    “Extreme liberals who look at this should be quaking in their boots,” declares Pastor Becky Fischer with jovial satisfaction in the riveting documentary “Jesus Camp.” Ms. Fischer, an evangelical Christian, helps run Kids on Fire, a summer camp in Devils Lake, N.D., that grooms children to be soldiers in “God’s army.”

    A mountainous woman of indefatigable good cheer, Ms. Fischer makes no bones about her expectation that the growing evangelical movement in the United States will one day end the constitutional ban separating church and state. And as the movie explores her highly effective methods of mobilizing God’s army, that expectation seems reasonable.

    Ms. Fischer understands full well that the indoctrination of children when they are most impressionable (under 13 and preferably between 7 and 9) with evangelical dogma is the key to the movement’s future growth, and she compares Kids on Fire to militant Palestinian training camps in the Middle East that instill an aggressive Islamist fundamentalism. The term war, as in culture war, is repeatedly invoked to describe the fighting spirit of a movement already embraced by 30 million Americans, mostly in the heartland.

    At Kids on Fire we see children in camouflage and face paint practicing war dances with wooden swords and making straight-armed salutes to a soundtrack of Christian heavy metal. We see them weeping and speaking in tongues as they are seized by the Holy Spirit. And we see them in Washington at an anti-abortion demonstration.

    Filmed during the Senate confirmation hearings of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., the movie visits a church at which the congregation prays in front of a life-size cardboard cutout of President Bush. Justice Alito’s eventual approval is hailed as another step forward in the movement’s eventual goal of outlawing abortion, the No. 1 issue on its agenda.

    “Jesus Camp” is the second film by the documentary team of Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady to explore the molding of young minds. The first, “The Boys of Baraka,” followed a group of “at-risk” African-American boys from a decaying Baltimore middle school to an austere wilderness school in rural Kenya. Removed from a toxic urban environment, they flourish, until tribal conflict in the region forces the school to suspend operation.

    The majority of the children in “Jesus Camp” are home-schooled by evangelical parents who teach them creationism and dismiss science. Handsome 12-year-old Levi, who wears his hair in a mullet, is being groomed as a future evangelical preacher. Already exuding star quality, he strides through a group of children, waving his arms and mouthing dogma about how his generation is so important.

    Pretty 10-year-old Tory speaks earnestly of dancing “for God” and not “for the flesh.” Nine-year-old Rachael is already an evangelical recruiter who fearlessly approaches adult strangers.

    Ms. Fischer speaks of “dead churches” (traditional Protestant churches in which the congregations sit passively and listen to a sermon) and declares these are places that Jesus doesn’t visit. In evangelical churches where people jump, shout, weep and speak in tongues, she contends, the spirit is present.

    The great unanswered question is what will happen to these poised, attractive children when their hormones kick in and they venture beyond their sheltered home and church environments.

    “Jesus Camp” includes one articulate and alarmed dissenting voice: Mike Papantonio, a talk show personality for Air America. A self-professed Christian of the dead church variety, he engages in a pointed but friendly debate with Ms. Fischer when she calls in to his show. But the only moment of real tension occurs during a side trip to a megachurch in Colorado Springs where the preacher Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals (and a Bush friend), turns to address the camera in a tone of suspicion and hostility. It is the movie’s only glimpse of the evangelical movement’s ugly, vindictive side.

    “Jesus Camp” doesn’t pretend to be a comprehensive survey of the charismatic-evangelical phenomenon. It offers no history or sociology and only scattered statistics about its growth. It analyzes the political agenda only glancingly, centering on abortion but not on homosexuality or other items. Because it focuses on the education of children, Ms. Fischer speaks of the evils of Harry Potter. But there is no analysis of Biblical teaching nor mention of “end times” or the rapture.

    Who would deny that the movement’s surging vitality is partly a response to the steady coarsening of mass culture, in which the dominant values are commercial and the worldview is Darwinian in its amorality? Spread globally by television, the least-common-denominator brand of “secular humanism” — the evangelicals’ perceived enemy — is indeed repugnant.

    It wasn’t so long ago that another puritanical youth army, Mao Zedong’s Red Guards, turned the world’s most populous country inside out. Nowadays the possibility of a right-wing Christian American version of what happened in China no longer seems entirely far-fetched.

    Watch them here :

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnol...scamp/trailer/

    iran
  • donsaeid
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2005
    • 28300

    #2
    Sick Sick Video
    نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


    «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
    صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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    • Rasputin
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 63906

      #3
      Doust-e aziz, har kasi keh az mazhab su-e estefadeh koneh, gonah kareh, hala mikhad masihi basheh va ya mosalman, in kar ha ro afradi mikonan keh ahdafeh digeh daran keh aslan rabti beh nazhab nadareh .

      iran

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      • mike435
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 2104

        #4
        Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
        Sick Sick Video
        lol
        you are threatend by this video you think this is sick
        it makes me question your morals
        you were not sickend when i posted this video YouTube - Children of the Future Jihad

        which installs hate in to kids, that was not sickiening, but the jeuses camp video, that was a sickening video, a video about a minority of people who base there belife around loving jeusus and have started to creat this at a young age. i am not familier with evangalist but from what i have seen so far they are acctualy pertty peacful people that is including the extremist's

        i think the more pressing and sicking problam facing the world tody is the caulture of hate that is in the middle east. not a bunch of young american kids who are being braindwashed which a majority of them will end up abandoning there extrimist views once they hit the libral athiest american univercity. unfortunatly we dont have the same libral progressive education in the middle east. or atleast those who subscribe to the hate caulture dont have access to it or are denied from it.

        look at stuff from a realistic point of view

        ps video i posted is from post titled "Peace is with next generation"
        Last edited by mike435; 09-27-2006, 10:12 AM.


        G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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        • donsaeid
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 28300

          #5
          for the first thing i didnt saw that video!!!

          for the second who the hell are you to judge me or moral!!!

          you call your self a zionist and support that murderers 100%
          Last edited by donsaeid; 09-27-2006, 01:21 PM.
          نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


          «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
          صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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          • Rasputin
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2005
            • 63906

            #6
            The root of all these causes

            Before I begin let me state that I agree completely with assessments made by the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on “Trends in Global Terrorism.” One thing that struck me, however, was the following conclusion:

            “Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement: (1) Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness; (2) the Iraq “jihad;” (3) the slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, and political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and (4) pervasive anti-US sentiment among most Muslims-all of which jihadists exploit”

            I have two points: First, the report ignorantly uses the word “jihad” to define a set of circumstances which counter what Muslims traditionally view to be a jihad. As Dr. Ahmed Sheikh, President of the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) correctly notes:

            “Terrorism is not a jihad, killing civilians is not a jihad, bombing peaceful cities is not a jihad. The people who are practicing these kinds of evil acts are causing more harm to Islam than the benefit we are getting. Jihad is a defensive act which we need to apply when we are targeted in our countries with lots of conditions put by the Prophet. When the Prophet was sending his companions to Jihad, he said do not kill an elderly person a child, do not cut a fruitful tree or kill a non-combatant. These are the ethics and the high moral values which he taught his companions.”

            By identifying the current conflict as a “jihad” the report alienates Muslims by mischaracterizing their religion for malicious ends.

            Second, the judgments, or at least the key sections we received, do not fully detail the extent and cause of anti-US sentiment. I wonder whether the entire report cites the US’s unconditional support for Israel and totalitarian Arab governments as the most fundamental reasons for anti-Muslim sentiments. If we are going to address the root causes of terrorism and threats to America, and one of those threats is “pervasive anti-US sentiment amongst Muslims” then it seems to me beneficial to discuss the roots of those sentiments.

            To ignore US support for Israel and Arab regimes (in light of their grave and continuing human rights abuses) is to ignore the fundamental basis upon which terrorists draw their inspiration. Now I already understand how people are going to react: “we should never change our positions just to appease the terrorists!” “we should stand for what is right and never sway in light of violence!” But that’s the problem, unconditional support for Israel is not just. Support for Arab dictators is not just. This is a human rights issue which transcends terrorism but fuels it at the same time. The bases of terrorism are social and political conditions, all of which are generally fueled from perceived or actual injustice.

            In almost every instance in which a terrorist organization has arisen there has been a subjective and (often) objective notion of injustice coupled with it. With al-Qaeda, it had to do with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and ensuing mistreatment by the USSR. The Irish Republican Army grew because of continued occupation by Britain. The Tamil Tigers began because of the oppression felt by Tamil minorities by the Sri Lankan government. And on and on and so forth.

            The fact is that the root of all these causes is social and political injustice. This clearly doesn’t justify terrorism, for there is no justification for terrorism. However, what it signals is that to avoid an endless cycle of terrorism you have to address the root abuses. The US has to address its unconditional support for Israel and the human rights abuses that the state continuously causes against Muslims around the Middle East. The US also has to address its support for Arab dictators. Without addressing these concerns we will lose the War on Terror and continue breeding new terrorists. Our wrongs will eventually come back to us with greater wrongs. That is the lesson of 9/11 which this country continues to refuse to grasp.

            by N Milanian

            iran

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            • mike435
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2006
              • 2104

              #7
              Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
              Sick Sick Video
              when you say sick sick video it gives the impretion that you watched the video


              G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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              • donsaeid
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2005
                • 28300

                #8
                Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                when you say sick sick video it gives the impretion that you watched the video
                i was talking about that video you Posted Sometimes you really like spinning right?
                نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
                صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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                • mike435
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2104

                  #9
                  Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
                  i was talking about that video you Posted Sometimes you really like spinning right?
                  oh i thoght you are refering to redwines



                  well if you havnt watched my video please go and watch it

                  you have the time to watch so many anit israli propaganda watch this one montage of truth.

                  YouTube - Children of the Future Jihad


                  G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                  • donsaeid
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 28300

                    #10
                    you are a piece for your self dude

                    Everything you say is true and all others are wrong and propaganda!!!

                    sometimes your lack of ... make me not wanna discuss with you! why? because it is pointless and without a meaning!!!
                    نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                    «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
                    صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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                    • mike435
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 2104

                      #11
                      Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
                      you are a piece for your self dude

                      Everything you say is true and all others are wrong and propaganda!!!

                      sometimes your lack of ... make me not wanna discuss with you! why? because it is pointless and without a meaning!!!
                      go watch that video and tell me it is not a propaganda of hate


                      G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                      • mike435
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 2104

                        #12
                        you are a pice of your self stop caring so much about the litle thing i say main objective of that post was to encorage you to se the vid and get your opinion
                        not all this back and forth talk


                        G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                        • donsaeid
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 28300

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mike435 View Post
                          you are a pice of your self
                          Thanx for your compliment
                          نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ایران


                          «در زندگی زخم*هايی هست که مثل خوره روح را آهسته در انزوا می*خورد و می*تراشد.»
                          صادق هدايت؛ بوف کور

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                          • mike435
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2104

                            #14
                            Originally posted by donsaeid View Post
                            Thanx for your compliment
                            your weilcom

                            i still wonmder if you have watched the vid


                            G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                            • Rasputin
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 63906

                              #15
                              islamic radical or christianism radical, all of them are dangerous and we must to fight against them !!!

                              iran

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