is women made up of crooked rib?

[dosto]

I think that information is not from the islamic sharia, but it deprived from supersitition, to confirm that all women are guilty,wrong, and not at straight path. and also that the instinct of lady is crook because its originally created by a crook rip of adam.

and I offend this fact.

[Inquisitor]

I would like to share this with you guys,

Imam Ali bin Hussain (as), the great-grandson of the Prophet, said: "Coming to the rights of relatives, it is the right of your mother that you should appreciate that she carried you [in her womb] as nobody carries anybody, and fed you the fruits of her heart which nobody feeds anybody, and protected you [during pregnancy] with her ears, hands, legs, hair, limbs, [in short] with her whole being, gladly, cheerfully and carefully; suffering patiently all the worries, pains, difficulties and sorrows [of pregnancy], till the hand of God removed you from her and brought you into this world."

"Then she was most happy feeding you, even if she herself had no clothes; giving you milk and water; not caring for her own thirst; keeping you in the shade, even if she had to suffer from the heat of the sun; giving you every comfort with her own hardship; lulling you to sleep while keeping herself awake."

"And [remember that] her womb was your abode, and her lap your refuge, and her breast your feeder, and her whole existence your protection; it was she, not you, who was braving the heat and cold of this world for your safety."

"Therefore, you must remain thankful to her accordingly, and you cannot do so except by the help and assistance from Allah."

[indian_blues]

it isn't in quran right? if yes then it is just another quote by great ones, but the concern is what is written in the holy book.

[Inquisitor]

it isn't in quran right? if yes then it is just another quote by great ones, but the concern is what is written in the holy book.

Where has it mentioned "crooked rib" in muslim holy book ? provide me the verse.

[indian_blues]

see title sir... i don't know thats y i asked here.

[Inquisitor]

see title sir... i don't know thats y i asked here.

Now you know, I hope

[Borzo]

درود
با ترجمهء ارسال شده آیهء مبارکهء ۳۴ سورهء نساء موافق نیستم و ترجمهء صحیحی نیست. این ترجمه تا آنجا که میدانم از مکارم شیرازی میباشد، و رأی ایشان است و تا آنجا که ترجمههای مختلف قرآنی را به زبانهای مختلف دیدهام کلمهء اضربوهن "زدن"، و "تازیانه زدن" ترجمه شده است. بنده چهار نمونه انگلیسی آن را میآورم که در بین محقیقن معتبر است. در ترجمه فارسی قرآن کریم چاپ عربستان معروف به ملک فهد نیز این کلمه "زدن" ترجمه شده است. در بسیاری دیگر از ترجمهها نیز اینگونه است.

Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God
hath gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make
from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during
the husband's absence, because God hath of them been careful. But chide those
for whose refractoriness ye have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart,
and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion
against them: verily, God is High, Great!

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 4 - Women)

34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other,
and because they spend of their property (for the support of women).
So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded.
As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart,
and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 4 - Women)

Men stand superior to women in that God hath preferred some of them over others,
and in that they expend of their wealth: and the virtuous women, devoted, careful (in their husbands) absence,
as God has cared for them. But those whose perverseness ye fear,
admonish them and remove them into bedchambers and beat them;
but if they submit to you, then do not seek a way against them; verily, God is high and great.

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 4 - Women)

34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other,
and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient,
and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard.
As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct,
admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly);
but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 4)

در اینکه حقوق زن در اسلام نسبت به ادیان قبل از خود توافق و هماهنگی بیشتری با شرایط زمانی و نیاز جامعه بوده شکی نمیتوان داشت امّا این دلیل بر این نمیشود که با ترجمهای نادرست تلاش در وارونه جلوه دادن کلام، اراده و امر الهی شویم، و به این روش بخواهیم به مردم و خود بقبولانیم، آنچه که پشتیبان منافع و بقای طبقهء خاصی است.
حدیث از امامان هم زیاد است از جمله این بیان حضرت امیر المؤمنین ع در جزوه ۳ صفحهء ۱۵ کتاب نهج البلاغه که اینطور شروع میشود: لا تهیجوا النساء باءذی... الی آخر. مضمون بیانشان اینست: قوا و نفس و عقل زن ضعیف است. به نظر من تطابق کامل دارد با آنچه در قرآن مجید آمده مثلاً با توجه به شهادت ۴ زن در برابر ۲ مرد. تأثیر این گفتار را نیز میتوانیم در ادبیات ایران دید از جمله در آثار سعدی، جامی، نظامی و دیگران مثلاً جامی میگوید:

عقل زن ناقص است و دینش نیز----هرگزش کامل اعتماد مکن
گر بد است از وی اعتبار بگیر----ور نکو بر وی اعتماد مکن

با سپاس

[Borzo]

در مورد سؤال مطرح شده این حدیث از حضرت رسول ص نقل شده:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah
and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his
neighbor. And I advise you to take care of the
women, for they are created from a rib and the
most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part;
if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you
leave it, it will remain crooked, so I urge you to
take care of the women."

Hadith Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 115:

[donsaeid]

enghadr tohin konid va hamechiro be nafe khodeton tarjome konid ke omorateton begzare!

hadith kharidane piaz az ye tajere macci ro ham shenidi? vaghean ke! khoda aghl dade be hame ama bazia azash estefade nemikonan! va fekr mikonan ba tohin be digaran ajreshon mire bala!

tahala hich bargi be vagh vaghe sag zard nashode magar be ghodrate khodavande yegane!

ye harfe dige injast va vaghean azaton khandam migire!

hamash saro seda mikonan ke ahkam reform shodani nist va bayad reform beshe va hatta ba inke khoda va ghoran gofte ke bayad in ahkam ro ba vaghti ke dar on zendegi mikoni tatbigh bedi... va sokhane khoda be sorate arabi nazel shode va tarjome o tafsir maniro be sorate kamel nemiare.

bad hala mafiaye ye grohak ke tazegia be komake amrica va israel pa gerefte va shode bahaneye panahandegie mardom to kharej...

astaghforellah... behtare harfamo nagam!

[Borzo]

سعید گرامی منظور از نوشتن بنده این نبوده و نیست که به کسی توهین شود. در گفتار شما بیشتر توهین به چشم میخورد. بر اعصاب خود مسلط باشید بهتر است. دوست عزیز تمام جوابها خلاصه به این نمیشود که کسی را عامل اجنبی خواند. پناهندگی چه ربطی به این مسائل دارد. در ضمن علل پناهندگی را از کسانی که مسبب آن شدهاند باید پرسید و پناهنده شدن مختص به گروه خاصی نیست.

با سپاس

[donsaeid]

harfi bezan ke ba aghle salem va na shostesho shode jor dar biad! zamane shah ke kasi nemigerefteton koja bodin? alan alam shodin onam dame usa va israel dard nakone!

bad ayatollah makarem omade va ye tafsir ya tarjome az ye aye neveshte miai migi ke tarjomeye doroghin ya taghire ghoran! yani chi agha!

to shera ham ashare ziadi hast ke be mard fosh dade! in dalil bar zalem bodane eslame?

bad miai hamontor ke goftam ayat doroghin moteasefane ziade va shoma miai shayad yeki az in batelhasho be peyghambar nasab midi va ala gheir!

jam konid baba! mozdor bodanham haddi dare! khodforkhtegi ham haddi dare! yekam azad fekr konid! khoda cheshm dade bara didan, gosh dade bara shenidan va maghz bara tafakor!

in ke haghighato beheton mizanam dalil bar in nemishe ka asabam kharabe ya chize dige. haghighat talkhe dadash?

ye grohak ghable shoma bod to masihiat be esme shahedane yahova! onaham be haminsorat "brainwashed" va kor korane donbal mikonan va vaghti dota sohbat bahashon mikoni migan chera az ma badet miad ya be asabe khodeton control dashte bashin.

Age mikhain begin peyghambare irani darin ke nadarin... dine irani darin onam Faghat va faghat ZARTOSHTI...

be nazare man aghide va dini ke bejaye kankash dar khod faghat va faghat oftade va be baghiyeye adian hamle mikone (va ma shahede hamleye shoma be yahodiat, masihiat, zartosht, va islam bodim) on din nist balke ye kallashie!

[donsaeid]

va neveshtane sokhanani in goone:

من اگر نيکم و گر بد،تو برو خود را باش که گناه دگري بر تو نخواهند نوشت

va amal nakardan be an hamanande tabli to khali bodan asto bas!

hamishe be hameye adian ehteram gozashtam va mizaram va khaham gozasht! vali khandam migire az ensanhai ke vaghti ye chizi darbarashon migim hesabi defensive mishan va migan bar asabeton mosalat bashin vali dahane khodeshon hamanande chahi por az makrohat...

[Inquisitor]

Salam

Why are you giving wrong information ?

You mentioned Hadith Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 115

This is the correct one Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

During the lifetime of the Prophet we used to avoid chatting leisurely and freely with our wives lest some Divine inspiration might be revealed concerning us. But when the Prophet had died, we started chatting leisurely and freely (with them).

Which has nothing to do with the topic. ^^^


Now look at this Hadith
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 113

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness."

the word "Created" was mentioned in volume 4, not volume 7

Quran says "man is created from haste" which is very similar to what that Hadith implies woman is created from rib. It implies that a woman is like a rib in her nature.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 113

در مورد سؤال مطرح شده این حدیث از حضرت رسول ص نقل شده:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah
and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his
neighbor. And I advise you to take care of the
women, for they are created from a rib and the
most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part;
if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you
leave it, it will remain crooked, so I urge you to
take care of the women."

Hadith Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 115:

[Inquisitor]

دحدیث از امامان هم زیاد است از جمله این بیان حضرت امیر المؤمنین ع در جزوه ۳ صفحهء ۱۵ کتاب نهج البلاغه که اینطور شروع میشود: لا تهیجوا النساء باءذی... الی آخر. مضمون بیانشان اینست: قوا و نفس و عقل زن ضعیف است.

[donsaeid]

tanx inquisitor! i was sure too that it was a wrong one! if you read some of posts i have made about bahaiat va their history you will get them much more!

Ayatollah mesbah really knows this people!

whole their concept is to attack other religion without having a program of their own! just like john kerry in last US election