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  • Rasputin
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #1

    Varican's News

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Knights Templar, the medieval Christian military order accused of heresy and sexual misconduct, will soon be partly rehabilitated when the Vatican publishes trial documents it had closely guarded for 700 years.

    A reproduction of the minutes of trials against the Templars, "'Processus Contra Templarios -- Papal Inquiry into the Trial of the Templars"' is a massive work and much more than a book -- with a 5,900 euros ($8,333) price tag.




    "This is a milestone because it is the first time that these documents are being released by the Vatican, which gives a stamp of authority to the entire project," said Professor Barbara Frale, a medievalist at the Vatican's Secret Archives.

    "Nothing before this offered scholars original documents of the trials of the Templars," she told Reuters in a telephone interview ahead of the official presentation of the work on October 25.

    The epic comes in a soft leather case that includes a large-format book including scholarly commentary, reproductions of original parchments in Latin, and -- to tantalize Templar buffs -- replicas of the wax seals used by 14th-century inquisitors.

    Reuters was given an advance preview of the work, of which only 799 numbered copies have been made.

    One parchment measuring about half a meter wide by some two meters long is so detailed that it includes reproductions of stains and imperfections seen on the originals.

    Pope Benedict will be given the first set of the work, published by the Vatican Secret Archives in collaboration with Italy's Scrinium cultural foundation, which acted as curator and will have exclusive world distribution rights.

    The Templars, whose full name was "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon," were founded in 1119 by knights sworn to protecting Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land after the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099.

    They amassed enormous wealth and helped finance wars of some European monarchs. Legends of their hidden treasures, secret rituals and power have figured over the years in films and bestsellers such as "The Da Vinci Code."

    The Knights have also been portrayed as guardians of the legendary Holy Grail, the cup used by Christ at the Last Supper before his crucifixion.

    The Vatican expects most copies of the work to be bought up by specialized libraries at top universities and by leading medieval scholars.

    BURNED AT THE STAKE

    The Templars went into decline after Muslims re-conquered the Holy Land at the end of the 13th century and were accused of heresy by King Philip IV of France, their foremost persecutor. Their alleged offences included denying Christ and secretly worshipping idols.

    The most titillating part of the documents is the so-called Chinon Parchment, which contains phrases in which Pope Clement V absolves the Templars of charges of heresy, which had been the backbone of King Philip's attempts to eliminate them.

    Templars were burned at the stake for heresy by King Philip's agents after they made confessions that most historians believe were given under duress.

    The parchment, also known as the Chinon Chart, was "misplaced" in the Vatican archives until 2001, when Frale stumbled across it.

    "The parchment was catalogued incorrectly at some point in history. At first I couldn't believe my eyes. I was incredulous," she said.

    "This was the document that a lot of historians were looking for," the 37-year-old scholar said.

    Philip was heavily indebted to the Templars, who had helped him finance his wars, and getting rid of them was a convenient way of cancelling his debts, some historians say.

    Frale said Pope Clement was convinced that while the Templars had committed some grave sins, they were not heretics.

    SPITTING ON THE CROSS

    Their initiation ceremony is believed to have included spitting on the cross, but Frale said they justified this as a ritual of obedience in preparation for possible capture by Muslims. They were also said to have practiced sodomy.

    "Simply put, the pope recognized that they were not heretics but guilty of many other minor crimes -- such as abuses, violence and sinful acts within the order," she said. "But that is not the same as heresy."

    Despite his conviction that the Templars were not guilty of heresy, in 1312 Pope Clement ordered the Templars disbanded for what Frale called "the good of the Church" following his repeated clashes with the French king.

    Frale depicted the trials against the Templars between 1307 and 1312 as a battle of political wills between Clement and Philip, and said the document means Clement's position has to be reappraised by historians.

    "This will allow anyone to see what is actually in documents like these and deflate legends that are in vogue these days," she said.

    Rosi Fontana, who has helped the Vatican coordinate the project, said: "The most incredible thing is that 700 years have passed and people are still fascinated by all of this."

    "The precise reproduction of the parchments will allow scholars to study them, touch them, admire them as if they were dealing with the real thing," Fontana said.

    "But even better, it means the originals will not deteriorate as fast as they would if they were constantly being viewed," she said.


    iran
  • Rasputin
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #2
    Jews and the Vatican

    Bringing back an ancient rite risked reopening ancient wounds. And so after Pope Benedict XVI introduced wider use of the old Latin rite last year, top Vatican officials promised to adjust a Good Friday prayer from the ancient liturgy that had called for the conversion of the Jews.

    The text of the updated version — released this week in the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano — deletes offensive language referring to Jews' "blindness" and the need to "remove the veil from their hearts." But the substance is left in place: "Let us pray for the Jews," the prayer says, according to an unofficial translation from Latin. "May the Lord our God illuminate their hearts so that they may recognize Jesus Christ savior of all men."

    The wounds, according to top Jewish leaders and rabbis, have been reopened. They say the prayer, which in reality had never been scrapped completely, recalls past centuries of forced conversions and a lingering incomprehension of their faith. And while several well-known Jewish voices in New York and Jerusalem spoke of their "disappointment," the loudest — and indeed angriest — response to the revised text came from those closest to home. Late Wednesday, having had 24 hours to absorb the news and study the text, the Italian Rabbinical Assembly announced they were suspending the decades-long Jewish-Catholic dialogue for a "pause of reflection" in light of the Good Friday prayer.

    Rome's chief Rabbi Riccardo Di Segni told reporters that the prayer brings Catholic-Jewish relations "back 43 years," noting that the 1960s Second Vatican Council had spoken of an "alliance" between the two faiths. Di Segni spoke indignantly about reassurances he said he'd received from Church leaders that his concerns about the conversion language would have been addressed.

    It raises questions about just what is the "image of the Jewish people for the Church," said Di Segni. "It's an old question: What are the Jews doing here on earth?

    If this [prayer] is the requirement for dialogue, it is intolerable. Evidently, the Church is having problems rediscovering the foundations of its orthodoxy."

    Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Vatican's pointbman on Catholic-Jewish relations, responded to the criticism in a Thursday morning interview on Vatican radio. He said great progress has been made in interfaith dialogue with Jews, but it requires that "we respect each other's diversity."

    "We have much in common, but there's a specific difference. Jesus is the Christ, that means the Messiah, the son of God, and you cannot hide this difference. The Holy Father wanted to say: Yes, Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men, including the Jews. This is said in the prayer," Kasper said.

    "But this does not mean we have the intention of evangelizing [Jews]. We must give witness to our faith. But in the past the language was with disrespect. Now there is respect."

    Huge steps forward have in fact been made since the days that Catholics blamed Jews for Jesus' death, and when the original Good Friday conversion prayer spoke of the "perfidious Jews." Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI began to rewrite Catholic teachings, paving the way for John Paul II's historic outreach to Jews, including visits to the central synagogue in Rome and the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, and his characterization of the People of Israel as "older brothers" to Christians.

    Reached in his office in Jerusalem, Rabbi David Rosen of the American Jewish Committee, a veteran of Catholic-Jewish dialogue, said that he too had his "hopes raised" that an explicit reference to conversion would have been excised.

    Rosen noted that the expansion of the Latin rite "had nothing to do with this prayer, and nothing to do with the Jews," but was rather an attempt by the Pope to mend fences with Catholic arch-traditionalists. Still, the language of the Good Friday prayer sounds to Jews to be "exclusivist and triumphalist," said the rabbi.

    Rosen, who has worked with Benedict since he was a Vatican cardinal, said he worries that the Pope seems to "insulate" himself from top advisers who might alert him to potential fallout. Still, Rosen called his Italian rabbinical colleagues' break in dialogue with Catholics a "rash" decision. "There's so much at stake for Jews and Catholics and Benedict himself that we must ensure that this difficulty will not torpedo the commitment to advancing Jewish-Catholic relations," Rosen said. "Yes, we must speak up. But there is nothing to be gained from making this a casus belli."

    iran

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    • Rasputin
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 63906

      #3
      Vatican introduces more ways to sin

      Pollution and drugs are on a list of new mortal sins produced by the Vatican.

      Others include genetic manipulation and social and economic injustice.

      Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, who heads the Apostolic Penitentiary - a Vatican body that issues decisions on matters of conscience and grants absolutions - said in an interview published by the Vatican's daily newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, that known sins increasingly manifest themselves as behaviour that damages society as a whole.

      "While sin used to concern mostly the individual, today it has mainly a social resonance, due to the phenomenon of globalisation," he said.

      Catholic teaching distinguishes between lesser, so-called venial sins, and mortal sins.

      When asked to list the new areas of sinful behaviour, he denounced "certain violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments, genetic manipulations."

      He also mentioned drugs, which "weaken the mind and obscure intelligence," pollution, as well as the widening social and economic differences between the rich and the poor that "cause an unbearable social injustice."

      He said the Catholic Church continued to be concerned by other sinful acts, including abortion and paedophilia.

      He said Church authorities had reacted with "rigorous measures" to child abuse scandals within the clergy, but he also claimed that the issue had been excessively emphasised by the media.

      Thou shall not pollute the Earth. Thou shall beware genetic manipulation.

      Modern times bring with them modern sins. So the Vatican has told the faithful that they should be aware of "new" sins such as causing environmental blight.

      The guidance came at the weekend when Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the Vatican's number two man in the sometimes murky area of sins and penance, spoke of modern evils.

      Asked what he believed were today's "new sins," he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that the greatest danger zone for the modern soul was the largely uncharted world of bioethics.

      "[Within bioethics] there are areas where we absolutely must denounce some violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulation whose outcome is difficult to predict and control," he said.

      The Vatican opposes stem cell research that involves destruction of embryos and has warned against the prospect of human cloning.

      Girotti, in an interview headlined "New Forms of Social Sin," also listed environmental offenses as modern evils.

      In recent months, Pope Benedict has made several strong appeals for the protection of the environment, saying issues such as climate change had become gravely important for humanity.

      Under Benedict and his predecessor, John Paul, the Vatican has become progressively "green."

      It has installed photovoltaic cells on buildings to produce electricity and hosted a scientific conference to discuss the ramifications of global warming, widely blamed on the use of fossil fuels.

      Girotti, who is number two in the Vatican "Apostolic Penitentiary," which deals with matter of conscience, also listed drug trafficking and social and economic injustices as modern sins.

      But Girotti also bemoaned that fewer and fewer Catholics go to confession at all.


      iran

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      • Rasputin
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2005
        • 63906

        #4
        dangerous combination ...

        iran

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        • Rasputin
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2005
          • 63906

          #5
          Vatican, Qom etc ... are the same bad places for humanity .

          iran

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          • Dokhtar Bandari
            Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 1099

            #6
            This was a good laugh..thank you.

            I mean, are they saying that their God is so weak that its own creation can destroy itself and every other creation through whatever... sin or not? Isn't that saying that God created faulty creatures? So if God made a bad choice creating something that can destroy its creation didn't he commit a sin too???? What a load of laugh..
            I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
            I would be pure, for there are those who care;
            I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
            I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
            I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
            I would be giving and forget the gift;
            I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
            I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
            Howard Walter

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            • Rasputin
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2005
              • 63906

              #7
              The Vatican News

              The Vatican said Friday it had formally complained to the Israeli government about a private Israeli TV show that ridiculed Jesus and Mary in an “offensive act of intolerance.” In response to the Vatican’s recent lifting of the excommunication of a bishop who denied that millions of Jews were killed in the Holocaust, an Israeli comedian, Lior Shlein, sarcastically denied Christian traditions, including that Mary was a virgin and that Jesus walked on water.

              The station that broadcast the program assured the Israeli Foreign Ministry that the segment would not be shown again and that Mr. Shlein had apologized.

              A comedy routine on Israeli TV has angered Christians all the way from the Galilee to the Vatican. Lior Shlein, a late-night satirist, joked that Mary was no virgin but a 15-year-old pregnant by a classmate. He expanded on that theme from there.

              The Vatican formally complained to Israel for the "offensive act of intolerance" and Christian Arabs demonstrated Saturday in the Galilee with placards equating Shlein with the devil, saying tongue-in-cheek apologies were insufficient. They demanded the president apologize and expressed concerns that this could undermine the pope's visit to Israel in May.

              Shlein himself made a laconic apology.

              Avi Cohen, the editor of the Channel 10 show, explained the satire was in response to the recent controversial decision to reinstate Bishop Richard Williamson, who was their intended target. Cohen did not regret the satire directed against "one of the worst Holocaust deniers in history and a neo-Nazi of the most depraved kind" and had no regrets about their "appropriately biting satirical response."

              They do, however, regret offending Christians in Israel and elsewhere. In a radio interview, Cohen said "we sincerely apologize -- for the seventh time so far -- if someone was personally offended by our fair-play and appropriate response to an anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying bishop."

              Naturally, such controversies can snowball, and the incident is already spilling over from Israel-Vatican relations into the political sphere, tapping into tensions between Jews and Arabs both in and out of Israel. The general Arab public, mostly Muslim, is invited to participate in another demonstration planned in Israel on Sunday. Even Hezbollah joined the scrum with a statement expressing "deep grief over the abuse committed by the disgraceful Zionist entity on Channel 10." Al-Jazeera looped Shlein's act repeatedly over the weekend.

              Relations between Israel and the Vatican are somewhat strained recently, following Williamson's reinstatement. The chief rabbinate of Israel sent a letter to the Vatican asking for clarifications, saying they would not want to sever the important relations with the Vatican but would look for a delicate way to continue them, perhaps after an apology. Some, such as Holocaust survivor Noah Klieger, said this is a needless relationship altogether.

              At the opening of the weekly cabinet meeting, outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert stressed the importance of relations with the Vatican and expressed sorrow over Shlein's comments. He has no intention of restricting freedom of expression, Olmert said, but urged Israelis to show some restraint, even in satire.

              Kaid Aboud, a spokesman for the Christian community in Haifa, welcomed Olmert's remarks but said they intend to demonstrate in his city of Haifa, a model for coexistence. And he wants Shlein suspended, at least temporarily. Summing it up Sunday morning on Israel Radio, Aboud said, "In the Holy Land, religious issues are no child's play."

              iran

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              • siamak
                Member
                • Nov 2003
                • 667

                #8
                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...nd-Demons.html

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                • Dokhtar Bandari
                  Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 1099

                  #9
                  Too bad..go jump in a lake.
                  I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                  I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                  I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                  I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                  I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                  I would be giving and forget the gift;
                  I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                  I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                  Howard Walter

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                  • Rasputin
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 63906

                    #10
                    An internationally known Catholic priest sometimes called "Father Oprah" has been removed from his posts in Florida after published photos showed him lying down bare-chested in an embrace with a woman on a beach.

                    iran

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