Test For Determining Whether A Religion Is Bad

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Let me ask one simple questions since everyone roars at me for having such radical points of view...

If you have a knowledge of how a bread is made... growing wheat, milling it, yeast, baking it so on and so far....and you find a bunch of hungry people who just are holding on by a gossamer thread to life.... do you bake the bread and ration it to the hungry people and ask them to work for you and obey your orders otherwise you won't give them any bread... or do you teach them how to sow and reap? TIA for your answer.

[maryam9]

TIA for your answer.

TIA = ? (that is all??)

I will reply to this thread later on. Im a bit busy now.

[zubin]

TIA = ? (that is all??)

Im also really bad at keeping up with the new acronyms. This one though I know, "Thanks in Advance".

you also have all types of people from all types of backgrounds and states that intrpuet relligion the same way

but you mentioned "promoting violence". what religion is unaminous in their interpretation of the use of violence? Islam isn't that's for sure. Niether are Christianity or Judaism. Other religions are sometimes completely peaceful.

Let me ask one simple questions since everyone roars at me for having such radical points of view...

If you have a knowledge of how a bread is made... growing wheat, milling it, yeast, baking it so on and so far....and you find a bunch of hungry people who just are holding on by a gossamer thread to life.... do you bake the bread and ration it to the hungry people and ask them to work for you and obey your orders otherwise you won't give them any bread... or do you teach them how to sow and reap? TIA for your answer.

so are you saying the state has to TEACH religious ethics, EG the basis, rules and goodness of a Supreme Being? that in itself would satisfy a lot of religios people...

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Zubin jaan, you know I admire you and I would kiss your brain if I could for its a great receiver unit in a good working condition... however in regards to my question you got me wrong.

What I am saying is Man has been in search of God all its life for neon and neon... Man has a hunger to know God and find the promised land, kingdom of heaven and so on so forth... Those who give up all together give up on God and those who find it know the Truth... That God is not a separate entity from you once you realize that and change your belief on the outer world you will find God... a simple but powerful Truth.

A hungry man can be fed anything but why is Man still searching for God... may be he is being fed but not the right stuff.

A religion comes to be for it sees that hunger in people but no religion besides Vedas which is actually derivative of Zartoshti has ever put it so bluntly in front of Man to see.

All the other religions have given you the bread to satisfy the hunger, however temporary... but have not given you the means to eliminate the hunger.

I will go over some of these so our readers understand. This knowledge is what I know through experience, observation and sources which you will yet not understand nor its is necessary for me to talk about... it is the knowledge which is important and not where I got it from...forget the messenger and pay attention to the message.

[zubin]

My response to the below is that,

(1) assuming Religion X is unnecessary, it is still not bad if it allows itself to reform to what is necessary

(2) all religions have been in some time in history, relevant to some people, "necessary", as they have brought them something they needed at the time

is this on topic now?

Zubin jaan, you know I admire you and I would kiss your brain if I could for its a great receiver unit in a good working condition... however in regards to my question you got me wrong.

What I am saying is Man has been in search of God all its life for neon and neon... Man has a hunger to know God and find the promised land, kingdom of heaven and so on so forth... Those who give up all together give up on God and those who find it know the Truth... That God is not a separate entity from you once you realize that and change your belief on the outer world you will find God... a simple but powerful Truth.

A hungry man can be fed anything but why is Man still searching for God... may be he is being fed but not the right stuff.

A religion comes to be for it sees that hunger in people but no religion besides Vedas which is actually derivative of Zartoshti has ever put it so bluntly in front of Man to see.

All the other religions have given you the bread to satisfy the hunger, however temporary... but have not given you the means to eliminate the hunger.

I will go over some of these so our readers understand. This knowledge is what I know through experience, observation and sources which you will yet not understand nor its is necessary for me to talk about... it is the knowledge which is important and not where I got it from...forget the messenger and pay attention to the message.

[maryam9]

What I am saying is Man has been in search of God all its life for neon and neon... Man has a hunger to know God and find the promised land, kingdom of heaven and so on so forth... Those who give up all together give up on God and those who find it know the Truth... That God is not a separate entity from you once you realize that and change your belief on the outer world you will find God... a simple but powerful Truth.

A hungry man can be fed anything but why is Man still searching for God... may be he is being fed but not the right stuff.

A religion comes to be for it sees that hunger in people but no religion besides Vedas which is actually derivative of Zartoshti has ever put it so bluntly in front of Man to see.

All the other religions have given you the bread to satisfy the hunger, however temporary... but have not given you the means to eliminate the hunger.

I will go over some of these so our readers understand. This knowledge is what I know through experience, observation and sources which you will yet not understand nor its is necessary for me to talk about... it is the knowledge which is important and not where I got it from...forget the messenger and pay attention to the message.

please can you say that in layman's terms... im totally lost by what u meant here

[Dokhtar Bandari]

I want to make sure before I got further that everyone understands that these are my Truths and not yours yet. You do not have to believe me nor it is a requisite that you do. All you have to do is open your mind and your level of acceptance.

Now lets start with Vedas which is really not a religion but it will tie everything together. The Vedas are perhaps the oldest written text on our planet today. They date back to the beginning of Indian civilization and are the earliest literary records of the whole Aryan race which moved to North India from Persian plains. They are supposed to have been passed through oral tradition for over 100,000 years. They came to us in written form between 4-6,000 years ago.

The Vedas itself came from Zartosht, Zarathustra,The Persian Prophet.

There are many viewpoints on the time line for Zarathustra's date of birth - vary by almost 1,000 years. At best this is all speculative. The truth will remain an enigma, but his teachings and his belief in monotheism have perpetuated throughout history. Who was this great teacher and prophet? Many scholars believe he was a priest and a prophet. He was linked to the Magi. His spiritual influences have always affected human thought and reasoning - his goals, to show human their connection a creation and their link to one source.

We celebrate his birthday on March 26th as part of our New Year. His name means White Light... Though there are many many many translation of his name, it means White Light. He spoke Gathas which its origin stays a mystery but its way before the known Persian language. He gave birth to Darius king of Persia and Darius spoke Gatha as well his people.

If Man was not so busy paying his credit cards debts and praying to useless words he could know God easily through these teachings... The Vedas.

You should know that Zoroaster is ageless, dead less and basically immortal. He roams the earth as well as other universes freely for he does not know linear time as we know it. He has brought many many messengers and messages to people on Earth which has been manipulated, twisted and used in wrong ways. All other religions have come from his teaching. Zoroaster, however, goes beyond all of the teachings and messengers, announcing an end phase for the visible world, "the last turn of creation." In this last phase, Ahriman will be destroyed, and the world will be wonderfully renewed and be inhabited by the good, who will live in paradise of joy. We now know that date as December 21, 2012.


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[Dokhtar Bandari]

Now we move to "Ibrahim" and Jews.

The religion of Judaism cannot be separated from the history of its people. The founder was the first great Jewish prophet, Abraham. Abraham's teacher was the great spiritual master, Melchizedek (who was Zoroaster). The two greatest prophets of the Jewish religion were Abraham and Moses. Abraham was from what we know today as Iraq which at that time was the land of Persians. That is correct Abraham was Persian.

Abraham took the teaching from his teacher Zoroaster and traveled past the land of Persians into Egypt and settle there. Though the history and speculations are extensive, there is no need to get in to that at this moment unless you really want to know. We are going to stick to its religious importance. Abraham teachings were then passed on to Moses which was written in tablets some of which you will never know about. That is how they passed on the teachings. The teaching mostly know as scriptures are truly jaded teachings of Zoroaster and have been manipulated and cut to its bare minimum by a panel of Rabies who wanted to keep the teachings to themselves and their airs.. To this day that's going on. So now its a good time to ask why didn't they tell the truth about the teachings... good question, yeah? A lot of scrolls that are in existence now and have not been, and I doubt if they ever will be released to mankind. One of the most important teaching that was changed was polytheism (worship of multiple gods) to the tradition of monotheism (the worship of one God). They could not see the unity through several Gods but reasoned that there is only one God who Jews must eternally get to know through free will and strife of life.... Wrong wrong wrong. By keeping the people earthbound and separate from that which they truly are they gained an enormous amount of power and control over humankind.

Perhaps the better depiction of Abraham teachings comes through Kabalah which is much closer to the Truth, though that was changed considerably as well.



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[Dokhtar Bandari]

Now lets go to Christianity.

Talk about complicated...lol. Christianity commonly associated with Jesus or better yet we use his real name Yeshua Ben Josef (Son of Joseph). Born in Nazareth from the royal family of David (Davood).

Jesus was a Jew and a Rabbi... the depiction of his life in Bible is so twisted its not even funny. A man of honor and good deeds and he new the scripture better than anyone else. Jesus a brilliant and educated man traveled to the land of his forefathers which in no other than Persia, correct he traveled to Persia and spend the better years of his 20's in Persia and followed the teachings of Zoroaster into India and spend many years perfecting his consciousness to the point that he became pure consciousness. Mastered time and space and could easily orb in and out of anywhere. Anyone can do it, if one takes the time and goes through the discipline. Many sages of India use it, some very powerful people use it and you ought to give it a try. But none the less is the teachings of Zartosht which will show you the way to become one with God and a pure consciousness. That is why my dear Zubin when I tell you.. you can not make a bad man good but you can make a good man better. Once your consciousness reaches a state from there the Law of Increase takes over whatever your consciousness it will only increase until it is changed all together by ones own choosing, no one can change it but the person who lives it. That is what is meant by "ask and you shall recieve" .

So Jesus comes back to the land of Israel to bring a message to Israelites that they have been lied to or may be not been told the whole truth. That Man and God are one, another word we are all Gods and we can reach that state of being through Love of our Neighbors... Well lets see who our neighbors are... if you were to stand up and open your arms as you were about to hug someone and then raised your hand above your head and were able to draw a line or a wiggly circle around you to the same distance below your feet.. you have established your bandwidth... anyone living in your bandwidth is your neighbor... you can enlarge your bandwidth through your consciousness. Limit yourself to the wiggly circle and you will limit who you are.

Now you should know Christianity really did not come to be until 200 years after Jesus had departed the physical world. The bible was written by Emperor Constantine. The Bible is really 2 parts, the Old Testament which is the book of Jews and the New Testament which deals with teachings of Jesus. Most of which have been distorted. The stories that you read in Bible are all states of consciousness for Constantine understood the teaching of Jesus all too well but yet the truth was kept from everyone for love of power and money. Hence they created an angel named Constantine which you read about. In reading for example the Book of Genesis one quickly ought to realize that there is something fishy is going on... you read that almost most of the Commandments have been broken by either Jehovah or its messengers... It could really pass as black comedy.

So again ask yourself what is and why is the Truth have been withheld?

Next we will move on to Islam... heheheheh but I got to go to the gym first and when I get back I will post it... meanwhile start using what you got between your ears to find some answers to your questions.

Oh... do not try to find ways to argue with me and defend your ignorance. I am not asking you to change your religion or even believe me.. you don't even have to read my writings if you don't like it. But one thing that you should not do is get offended and start arguing for your limitation.

[Dokhtar Bandari]

So now we get down to the business of Islam.
First lets start to see who is Allah. Allah in Arabic means God. The name Allah has been long before Islam. The Arab Christians call their God, Allah al ab… God the Father and the Arab Jews call their
God Ellaha as there were no A in Arabic language in pre-Islamic or Aramaic language.
So now you know Allah is really not exclusive to Moslems and you should also know that there are 99 names in Quran for God. Allah is depicted in Quran as genderless Al ah and Al lat… both means I AM but in male and female as most languages separate genders. We Persians do not… when we say “eshan” it makes no difference whether it’s a man or women… I know at least one person here who is an expert in Adabiat Farsi… Will the real shay please stand up…lol, come RW enlighten us about our Language… ooooopppps I am getting away from the subject. However, that is why they insist that Quran be recited in its original writings.
So the period when Islam was born was a cruel times. The Crusaders had hopelessly butchered a lot of nomadic Arabs and had ransacked Israel… and they were brutal. Now not all Crusaders agreed with what was going on in the name of Christianity… so they moved on to establish a new religion called Islam. Since Muslims are extremely sensitive to these kind of information and take it as insult I am going to just say that Quran is a set of messages that came from a divinity which they themselves call God or Allah.
Quran, contrary to popular misinformation, allows certain verses to be changed with passing of times and evolution of societies…. The verses that can be changed are called Abrogating versus and the ones that have been changed already are called Abrogated versus. Who is allowed to changed them? Accordingly a “hazrat”… So, now we have Islam who is gaining followers fast, through literally man slaughtering the Arab Pagans…. And on the other hand fighting Arab Christians, and Crusaders. Muhammad was one of the first ones to change some of the versus mainly because a lot of people opposed him and his new beliefs and even his own uncle (one of the biggest and richest tribes in Arabia) was unwilling to accept this new God. So there was born the new understanding of Jihad. A sort of carte blanch to kill.
Well now wait a minute, he only changed them he did not invent them… right? So what was there before he changed them… well for one thing the true teachings of Quran lies with the Magi for another he switched some words, added and deducted so his action in particular against his uncle was justified…
He killed his uncle and his wife and took over the tribe and the rest had a choice to become Muslim or die. Well, some did and some did not… but Islam continued its slaughtering , well basically all over the world.
The second time that these versus were changed was during the time of “hazrate Solayman” which of course all Persians are familiar with. He conquered Persia, Arabia and Europe. As a matter of fact one thing about him which good is that he introduced Europe to Art, science, mathematics , literature and poetry which he so shamelessly stole from Persians of course and mark them as Islamic.
I am not gonna get into their history too much…. But you should note that Quran just like other books that have brought us messages speak nothing of physical world… consider the very first thing Allah says “ All those who do not believe in the Unknown are marked as Unbelievers” hmmmmm what is this Unknown and why isn’t that preached to Muslims?
So why isn’t anyone of these Akhounds come out and say that in Quran Jihad in its non abrogated version means an internal struggle. That Man in its ever quest to becoming his higher self must erredict the false beliefs that he is fed and only believe in the intangible world as reality. That the world which you see with your 2 physical eyes is nothing but a Maya a dream a hologram. There is nothing outside of your bandwidth, outside of yourself outside of your consciousness that you have not created. Everything you see is an effect, your consciousness is the cause. It talks about all of these in Quran… every single thing I have told you here is in Quran. So how come they are not teaching people that… how come they have everyone so earthbound that they will never reach God? I am not going to answer those for you so you may find your own answers. Perhaps opening your heart to God is a start.
So what is religion good for if they are lying, cheating and deceiving us????? Why do we give them power by becoming part of them? Why do we march to their drums? Why all of these religions have believed in slaughtering humans and destroying humanity in the name of God? Why is it important for them to have so many followers?
I have had my moment of Truth and you shall have yours. Just ask and you will get your answer… Perhaps the best question that you can ask is “ FOR WHOM THE BELLS TOLL”….

Of all existence I am the source, the continuation and the End.
I am the germ, the growth and the decay.
All things and creatures I have send forth.
I suppose them while they yet stand without and when the dream of seperation ends I call their return onto myself.
I am the life, the death and the resurection. I am the way that leadth beyond... there is none else.

I am Afsaneh and I fight for freedom of Persia.

[maryam9]

lol its like youre giving a speech or something

Afsaneh, at least give us a chance to respond.

[maryam9]

what about relligion being a celebration

also another good test is if the relligion dosent promote killing

no religion promotes killing ( i know DB is going to have a laughing fit with regards to my comment... ) it is someone getting big headed along the way and interpreting something to suit themselves or whatever. Then probably people have followed this individual.

All religions from God have been for the unity of mankind.
God wouldnt contradict himself.
Mike, im sure u know what is referred to as "the golden rule" ("do unto others" etc).
Why would God set such an eternal rule then contradict himself 180 degrees by say kill one another?

also, my comments arent directed towards mike. ive only mentioned his name since he brought it up.

[maryam9]

So Jesus comes back to the land of Israel to bring a message to Israelites that they have been lied to or may be not been told the whole truth. That Man and God are one, another word we are all Gods and we can reach that state of being through Love of our Neighbors... Well lets see who our neighbors are... if you were to stand up and open your arms as you were about to hug someone and then raised your hand above your head and were able to draw a line or a wiggly circle around you to the same distance below your feet.. you have established your bandwidth... anyone living in your bandwidth is your neighbor... you can enlarge your bandwidth through your consciousness. Limit yourself to the wiggly circle and you will limit who you are.

I dont mean to be rude, but thats incorrect. In the bible it says that man has been created in image of God, such that we possess those qualities. The same way how a painting reflects the qualities of the painter, but the painting itself will not be the painter.

[maryam9]

Abraham took the teaching from his teacher Zoroaster and traveled past the land of Persians into Egypt and settle there. Though the history and speculations are extensive, there is no need to get in to that at this moment unless you really want to know. We are going to stick to its religious importance. Abraham teachings were then passed on to Moses which was written in tablets some of which you will never know about. That is how they passed on the teachings. The teaching mostly know as scriptures are truly jaded teachings of Zoroaster and have been manipulated and cut to its bare minimum by a panel of Rabies who wanted to keep the teachings to themselves and their airs.. To this day that's going on. So now its a good time to ask why didn't they tell the truth about the teachings... good question, yeah? A lot of scrolls that are in existence now and have not been, and I doubt if they ever will be released to mankind. One of the most important teaching that was changed was polytheism (worship of multiple gods) to the tradition of monotheism (the worship of one God). They could not see the unity through several Gods but reasoned that there is only one God who Jews must eternally get to know through free will and strife of life.... Wrong wrong wrong. By keeping the people earthbound and separate from that which they truly are they gained an enormous amount of power and control over humankind.


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What they are saying is correct.

We both agree that there is only one God even though different people call him by different names, so no need to get into that.

Yes it is true that Jews/humans must eternally need to know God throughout their life. God is an unknowable essence. If we understand something it means that we equal its intelligence. In no way does man's knowledge compare to that of Gods, so there is no way we can understand God entirely.

[maryam9]

what about relligion being a celebration

also another good test is if the relligion dosent promote killing

1.Its actually the test of time, to see if it has withstood the test of time.
Theres a quote somewhere which ive been looking for but cant find.

2. also, if you look at all religions, after the coming of a new manifestation of God, the knowledge of people increases. Once again, im expecting DB to be snorting out her coffee all over the computer screen at this point in time.


also, sorry if what im typing isnt consistent. its because what i read by DB made me want to say so many things