Human Rights in Iran

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Like a good solider stand at your guard and protect what you believe to be the truth. They will come...cliche but true "if you build it they will come".

Change consciousness change belief system. The how for now is remaining a secret weapon with me. (ok people I am not talking about a weapon that can kill)...lol

But lets say Mr. Devil that you were on my corner...how do you think it can be done?

[zubin]

The fact that the devil exists is what matters. The only question is how we can most effectively get rid of him.

I'm saying that more is needed to defeat evil successfully than simply fighting for good. Ofcourse, the devil wants to die peacefully. And he is too strong and sneaky to die from our opposition alone.

The world is at a crossroads. We actually have a chance to beat the devil strategically, in reality, and once and for all. Instead of engaging in mere activism.

[mike435]

how can you guys advocate for a islam free iran

the reality of iran is that it is a muslim country

it is no longer a persian country but an islamic country

what would be the diffrence between those who want a islam free iran and those who want a islam ruled iran

it should be choice

it has worked with everyother country and relligion why cant it work with iran

[zubin]

I'll admit that I really didn't understand exactly what you meant. but there's something wrong for me with your first line, that I don't believe Iran is purely an Islamic country.

[Dokhtar Bandari]

[QUOTE=zubin;288217]The fact that the devil exists is what matters. The only question is how we can most effectively get rid of him.

I'm saying that more is needed to defeat evil successfully than simply fighting for good. Ofcourse, the devil wants to die peacefully. And he is too strong and sneaky to die from our opposition alone.

The world is at a crossroads. We actually have a chance to beat the devil strategically, in reality, and once and for all. Instead of engaging in mere activism.[/QUOTE

If you go with the premises that Devil represents darkness, then devil does not exist, because darkness does not exist, its lack of light which we consider dark. When we say someone is living in the dark its because they can't see the light. One who lacks knowledge is considered to be living in the dark.
So what happens if you were to give people the knowledge and open their eyes? no evil...no darkness...no unknowingness...

[zubin]

The fact that the devil exists is what matters. The only question is how we can most effectively get rid of him.

I'm saying that more is needed to defeat evil successfully than simply fighting for good. Ofcourse, the devil wants to die peacefully. And he is too strong and sneaky to die from our opposition alone.

The world is at a crossroads. We actually have a chance to beat the devil strategically, in reality, and once and for all. Instead of engaging in mere activism.

If you go with the premises that Devil represents darkness, then devil does not exist, because darkness does not exist, its lack of light which we consider dark. When we say someone is living in the dark its because they can't see the light. One who lacks knowledge is considered to be living in the dark.
So what happens if you were to give people the knowledge and open their eyes? no evil...no darkness...no unknowingness...

I agree, that's why personally I like to say evil exists as opposed to the "devil". But how do people listen and come out of darkness? Its not as simple as you make out. It is hard to bring light to many people. They expect us to enter the darkness for them to get out.

[Dokhtar Bandari]

So? lets do it, lets enter the dark and bring out as many as we can...if someone you love falls in a dry well, do you not do everything you can to get them out? Even if you have to clime down and carried them out? I know you would.
Love those who can not love and do not love themselves.
Defend those who are defenseless.
Educate those who do not know.
Give give give to those who do not have, be it food, hope or dignity.

[zubin]

the problem is that most often evil lurks where we hate, not love, to go, and where we are not willing to go to help. that's the problem. therefore, part of the solution is to convince people ideologically to reach out to those who they hate.

[Dokhtar Bandari]

Then don't dwell on hate. Its ok to be aware of evil and want to be rid of evil doers, but it will defeat the purpose if you dwell in hate.
I have no frear, I have been and will go where I need to go, my love for my country, for my people and our dignity will protect me. But mostley my love for humanity will give me the courage and brings me the means to fight those evils. My fights is not to kill one human so another can live...my fight is to be rid of ignorance once and for all.

[Inquisitor]

Would anyone of you so called defenders of human rights possibly translate "Human Rights" to Parsi for me ?

[zubin]

Would anyone of you so called defenders of human rights possibly translate "Human Rights" to Parsi for me ?

Inquisitor Jaan:

human rights="hoghughe bashar"

Deedgahaye mokhtalefi dar baraye hoghughe bashar vojud dare. Mohemtareen taareef baraye shoma eene ke hoghughe bashare yek nafar hameeshe ba hoghughe bashare yeki deege ekhtelaf dare. Vali bayad tasmeem gereft ke ki daraye haghe beeshtari hast.


Be Eenglisi begam... There are differing viewpoints on human rights. There is Positivism, which believes rights are products of the rationality of the society, and do not exist from nature or God. The opposite view, Naturalism believes rights are either God-given or from nature.

Now these are outdated modes of understanding rights. Rights are always the conflict of rights. A man's right to dignity in their society might conflict with the right of others (people he might have abused or stolen from in search for his dignity). However, there is always one party that is more innocent than the other. The primary remedy is to give the more innocent person a right over the other person. The second, socially responsible remedy, is to try and attempt to ensure the rights of both parties, by preventing the type of interaction that brings two people into a conflict of rights.

Through prevention, rights will still conflict, but they will not be basic human rights. Rather, the rights in conflict will be more moderate, involving much less damage to one's physical and social integrity. Perhaps the harm or conflict will exist in the healthy level that people general consent to handle.

Last thing to note, some of the more credible thinkers from the west believe human rights are different from civil liberties. Human rights are rights against abuse of one's integrity by another person. They are negative rights "from" something. Civil liberties are rights to something, and generally involves freedom rights such as protest, media, literature etc.

[Inquisitor]

Inquisitor Jaan:

human rights= "hoghughe bashar"

Deedgahaye mokhtalefi dar baraye hoghughe bashar vojud dare. Mohemtareen taareef baraye shoma eene ke hoghughe bashare yek nafar hameeshe ba hoghughe bashare yeki deege ekhtelaf dare. Vali bayad tasmeem gereft ke ki daraye haghe beeshtari hast.

سلام

سپاس از گفتارت که منطقی بود
As far as I know you are among the very few people in this community that doesn't copy/paste useless articles and give childish comments. For that I appreciate.

human rights= "hoghughe bashar"

“right” in many languages both means correct or true as well as opposite of left which has no relation to the word حق in Quran.
Human rights cannot be translated as حقوق بشر in Parsi because these are the rights and not حقوق.
It means any group of people may declare and decide what is wrong or right based on what they think, therefore It does not mean that before the declaration there was no حقوق . In Islam, we have no such a thing, we believe in absolute حقوق and it cannot be challenged by any declaration, yet tomorrow this “human rights” can be changed, some of them can be added and some even be removed from it, based on values of that group of people. For example child abortion & ... .

If we really care about "rights", then we have to seek the words “حق” and its derivatives حقیقت and حقوق. Hagh,Haghighat,Hoghough
It is not possible to translate some words without proper understanding of the philosophy and the machination of language behind it.

Wassalam

[mike435]

حق

sir i dont see how your version of hagh is the absolute

also i think absolute hag would be the "hagh"* to have a "hagh"

in this case "hagh*" is the absolute hagh becuase everyone has it and it cant be changed

the right to have a right i think is the biggest human right
the right of choice

[Inquisitor]

sir i dont see how your version of hagh is the absolute

also i think absolute hag would be the "hagh"* to have a "hagh"

in this case "hagh*" is the absolute hagh becuase everyone has it and it cant be changed

the right to have a right i think is the biggest human right
the right of choice

What are you saying, you cannot read Parsi, Can you ? I said absolute حقوق

حقوق >> Hoghough . As for choice, everyone has it.

[Inquisitor]

Nah... Ma digeh eslam meslam nemikhahim ! Ino digeh bayad beh cheh zabani goft !!!! Har ki mikhad mosalman basheh va eslam mikhad ,iran nayad ! bereh beh yek keshvareh arabic ! agar mikhad kasi mosalman basheh va ba eslam basheh va dar iran zendegi koneh,nabayd digeh kari beh digaran dashteh basheh,lat bazi tamam shod !

And you speak of human rights! Talk has become cheap.

There are millions of Iranians ready for a simple command of supreme leader seyyed Ali Khamenei to die for the cause and you talk about deportation and the thugs! Bah, those who pray day/night and ask Allah (swt) to give them martyrdom are totally free of earth! Their only desire is to serve Allah (swt), and that motivation is so high that it renders everything else unimportant. You're dealing with a nation whose philosophy is based on the “singularity of existence” which is 100% fundamentally in contradiction to the western philosophies which are founded upon the “duality of logic”.

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I just saw this thread, you threatened "Qalibaf's" internet anonymity to be shown to others. Don't abuse your Mod-status, Strike us intellectually.