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Maryam jaan, with all due respect and no pun intended I think you got things a little mixed up here.Originally posted by maryam9 View Post
Let me say the followings first:
Atheist: Believes in non existence of God.
Secular: Believes that existed but may be he is dead or has left us for good.So whats the use of religion.
Agnostic: Believes that God exist but it can not be known so why bother..
These are not complete explanations, but they should tell u what each "lable" represents. So just because u don't believe in an organized religion doesn't mean that u don't believe in God.
God lives in ur heart and soul however u want to express it...go to it. Funny thing is that God never gets offended but its creatures do.Comment
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my ancestors were zarthoshts but i am muslim shiaComment
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LOOOOOOOOL...you crack me up dude. I think u have made urself pretty obvious in here as what u are.
Be that its may, are u telling me that you joined the religion that raped, killed and destroyed your ancestors???? Wow..amazing...Good luck in achieving higher planes of existence to God.
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Thanks Dokhtar Bandari for the definitions, but that wasnt what I was commenting on when I said that I disagree.Originally posted by Dokhtar Bandari View Post
What I meant was that both of these things are bad:
1, for theists to criticise atheists
example: mr X is going to hell because he doesnt believe in xxx
2, for others to criticise those who have a belief in something.
example:Originally posted by reza1stThats why i said "I disagree" when you commented on his whole post and said "bravo".Originally posted by reza1st
my point: neither group should insist that they are right and the other person is wrong.
Originally posted by Dokhtar Bandari
very true. Religion should not be the cause of disunity.
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Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right By Mel White
By Mel White
Published 2006
J.P. Tarcher/Penguin
Evangelicalism
367 pages
ISBN 1585425311
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The bestselling author of "Stranger at the Gate" provides an inside expos of the Christian Right's agenda-and a playbook in how to resist it.
This Fall's midterm elections will see much discussion about the enhanced power of the Christian fundamentalist Right, leaving many people to wonder: just who are these people and what exactly do they want?
What are their ultimate goals? The Reverend Mel White, a deeply religious man who sees fundamentalism as "evangelical Christian orthodoxy gone cultic," believes that it is not a stretch to say that the true goal of today's fundamentalists is to break down the wall that separates church and state, superimpose their "moral values" on the U.S. Constitution, replace democracy with theocratic rule, and ultimately create a new "Christian America" in their image.
White's new book, Religion Gone Bad, is a wake-up call to all of us to take heed. White is singularly qualified to write this expos of the Christian Right because he himself was a true believer who served the evangelical movement as pastor, professor, filmmaker, television producer, author, and ghostwriter for such fundamentalist leaders as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Billy Graham, all of whom he got to know well. As he writes, "These are not just Neocons dressed in religious drag. These men see themselves as gurus called by God to rescue America from unrighteousness. They believe this is a Christian nation that must be returned forcibly to its Christian roots."
He is also a gay man, who made news when he came out more than twelve years ago. White has gained a unique understanding of the fundamentalist agenda because, since the fall of "godless Communism," homosexuality and abortionhave become the primary targets through which fundamentalists have created fear, raised money, and mobilized recruits. Religion Gone Bad documents the thirty-year war that fundamentalist Christians have waged against homosexuality and gays and lesbians and offers dramatic, heartbreaking evidence that fundamentalist leaders-Protestant and Catholic alike-are waging nothing less than a "holy war" (jihad) against sexual minorities.
By focusing on the current plight of gay people in this country, White addresses the wider issue that fundamentalist Christianity-like fundamentalist Islam-has become a threat not just to gays, but to all Americans who disagree with fundamentalist Christian "values."Comment
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True, I firmly believe in it.Originally posted by IranianGuards View Post
If you wish to be loved, show more of your faults than your virtues. - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - A huge survey of the world's Muslims released Tuesday challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.
The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.
It shows that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and other subsequent terrorist attacks, the authors of the study said in Washington.
"Samuel Harris said in the Washington Times (in 2004): 'It is time we admitted that we are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam'," Dalia Mogadeh, co-author of the book "Who Speaks for Islam" which grew out of the study, told a news conference here.
"The argument Mr Harris makes is that religion in the primary driver" of radicalism and violence, she said.
"Religion is an important part of life for the overwhelming majority of Muslims, and if it were indeed the driver for radicalisation, this would be a serious issue."
But the study, which Gallup says surveyed a sample equivalent to 90 percent of the world's Muslims, showed that widespread religiosity "does not translate into widespread support for terrorism," said Mogadeh, director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies.
About 93 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.
In majority Muslim countries, overwhelming majorities said religion was a very important part of their lives -- 99 percent in Indonesia, 98 percent in Egypt, 95 percent in Pakistan.
But only seven percent of the billion Muslims surveyed -- the radicals -- condoned the attacks on the United States in 2001, the poll showed.
Moderate Muslims interviewed for the poll condemned the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington because innocent lives were lost and civilians killed.
"Some actually cited religious justifications for why they were against 9/11, going as far as to quote from the Koran -- for example, the verse that says taking one innocent life is like killing all humanity," she said.
Meanwhile, radical Muslims gave political, not religious, reasons for condoning the attacks, the poll showed.
The survey shows radicals to be neither more religious than their moderate counterparts, nor products of abject poverty or refugee camps.
"The radicals are better educated, have better jobs, and are more hopeful with regard to the future than mainstream Muslims," John Esposito, who co-authored "Who Speaks for Islam", said.
"Ironically, they believe in democracy even more than many of the mainstream moderates do, but they're more cynical about whether they'll ever get it," said Esposito, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University in Washington.
Gallup launched the study following 9/11, after which US President George W. Bush asked in a speech, which is quoted in the book: "Why do they hate us?"
"They hate... a democratically elected government," Bush offered as a reason.
"They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."
But the poll, which gives ordinary Muslims a voice in the global debate that they have been drawn into by 9/11, showed that most Muslims -- including radicals -- admire the West for its democracy, freedoms and technological prowess.
What they do not want is to have Western ways forced on them, it said.
"Muslims want self-determination, but not an American-imposed and -defined democracy. They don't want secularism or theocracy. What the majority wants is democracy with religious values," said Esposito.
The poll has given voice to Islam's silent majority, said Mogahed.
"A billion Muslims should be the ones that we look to, to understand what they believe, rather than a vocal minority," she told AFP.
Muslims in 40 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East were interviewed for the survey, which is part of Gallup's World Poll that aims to interview 95 percent of the world's population.Comment
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statistics show that statistics are bunch of bull crap...lolComment
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salam behameye azizane gol... dorood bar shoma
man has panama hastam salam be hameye shoma , bebashin jub farsi nimidunam .
has 1 sal birune iran jastam .
jodafes hameye shoma
puria.Comment
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When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion.
Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)Comment
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'مسلمانان بریتانیا فکر می کنند قربانی هستند'
صدیق خان گفت مسلمانان باید به فکر حل مشکلاتی مانند تبعیض جنسیتی، ندانستن زبان انگلیسی و ازدواج های اجباری در میان جوامع مسلمان بریتانیا باشند
صدیق خان، وزیر مشاور در دولت کارگری بریتانیا، از مسلمانان این کشور خواسته است مسئولانه تر با مسائل روز بریتانیا برخورد کنند و فکر نکنند که به گفته او "قربانی" هستند.
آقای خان در گزارشی برای موسسه تحقیقاتی "انجمن فابین"، گفته است که بسیاری از مسلمانان بیشتر از آنکه نگران مشکلات داخلی بریتانیا باشند، نگران سیاست خارجی این کشور هستند.
او گفت مسلمانان باید به فکر حل مشکلاتی مانند تبعیض جنسیتی، ندانستن زبان انگلیسی و ازدواج های اجباری در میان جوامع مسلمان بریتانیا باشند.
آقای خان، که یکی از چهار نماینده مسلمان در پارلمان بریتانیاست، گفت مسلمانان بریتانیایی که نمی توانند به زبان انگلیسی صبحت کنند باید این زبان را یاد بگیرند چون ندانستن زبان انگلیسی مانع دستیابی آنها به مهارت هایی می شود که برای یافتن کار مناسب ضروری است.
او افزود ندانستن زبان همچنین باعث کم شدن اعتماد به نفس مسلمانان بریتانیایی و همچنین مانع از استفاده بهتر از امکانات درمانی این کشور می شود.
این عضو پارلمان بریتانیا همچنین از همه مساجد این کشور خواست به زنان اجازه ورود بدهند و از جوامع مسلمان بریتانیا خواست ازدواج اجباری و قتل ناموسی را محکوم کنند.
اما او همچنین حزب حاکم کارگر را متهم کرد که ارتباطش با مسلمانان بریتانیا غیرمتعهدانه است.
"بنیاد رمضان"، از سازمان های جوانان مسلمان بریتانیا، گفت که آقای خان با درد مسلمانان عادی آشنا نیست.
"انصاف، نه لطف"
صدیق خان، در گزارش خود با عنوان "انصاف، نه لطف"، آورده است: "ما باید در قبال خانواده های خود مسئولانه تر رفتار کنیم، به آنهایی که می گویند علیه مسلمانان توطئه شده بی اعتنا باشیم و از همه مهمتر لازم است که ما تفکر قربانی بودن را کنار بگذاریم."
او در گزارش خود افزوده است: "ما باید همگی بپذیریم که قتل ناموسی، قتل نفس است و ازدواج اجباری، آدم ربایی است. این سنت ها جایی نه در این کشور دارد و نه در جای دیگر."
این نماینده پارلمان بریتانیا همچنین ادعا کرده که مسلمانان این کشور با نگرانی در مورد سیاست خارجی بریتانیا دل مشغولند و به مشکلات سیاسی هر روزه در بریتانیا کمتر توجه می کنند.
صدیق خان گفت: "مسلمانان باید درک کنند که سیاست بریتانیا در قبال حقوق کودکان بریتانیایی به مهمی مناقشه بر سر کشمیر است."
محمد شفیق، مدیر اجرایی بنیاد رمضان گفت که "مشکل اصلی" که مسلمانان را عقب نگه داشته "فقر، جرم و جنایت، نژادپرستی و اسلام ستیزی است."
او افزود: "ذهنیت ما این نیست که قربانی هستیم بلکه ما فکر می کنیم که قربانی ناکامی دولت بریتانیا در مقابله با مشکلات واقعی مانند فقر و همچنین مقابله با دلیل اصلی تروریسم در این کشور شده ایم."
او گفت که بنیاد رمضان پیشینه ای طولانی در مبارزه با ازدواج اجباری و قتل ناموسی دارد.
آقای شفیق همچین گفت که میان نگرانی درباره سرنوشت مسلمانان در خارج از بریتانیا و آگاهی در مورد مشکلات سیاسی داخل این کشور تناقضی وجود ندارد.
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You dont have the Option of KAFAR, why not REDWINE?WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????????? Chera religion e khodeto nazashtiiiiiiiiii KAFARRRRRRR?
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