Anti-Iranian TV AD by AFPC

[zubin]

Comon Mike, please stop wasting our time. There is no nuclear bomb right now, everyone knows that. It's so far away, that its just a distraction right now from more important things. If there is peace in the Middle East, there is no need for a bomb anyway. So focus on peace right now as that's important, then get into crazy paranoid delusions.

That's the idea. The idea is to be part of reality instead of buying into racist propaganda. You want to support racist propaganda? Then you're justifying the NEED for a nuclear bomb. But I thought you were against that...


NOT TO MENTION... right now Israel is the only nuclear bomb threat in the Middle East right now, and you know that. Your statements are just soooo removed from reality, and their weak.

You've already showed how you're not going to change your mind on the facts Mike. You speculate ten times before reaching an all-time weakest conclusion, and you will continue to do so just so you can take out your anger on the easiest people to take anger on. In the real world, Israel is the threat and along with the US is ruining the Middle East. I'm sure this makes many Israelis who don't have the guts to blame their real killers feel uneasy and gets them all racist, and it also threatens the interests of neo-cons profiting from Israel's propaganda.... the only way to respond to them is play the same game, and beat them!

bunch dirty miscivious dictators who dont let the puplic participate in decion making do see the difrance

I personally agree that Iran's Islamic government has to reform to meet the demands of human rights.

But please, don't bullshit. Don't make stuff as you go along. The world is not created in your image. The fact is that Iran's democracy is stronger than many "democratic" countries. This is based on empirical facts that we can't change or ignore in order to support our Zionist views. The best example is that in Iran's recent elections, more people went to the polls than they do in the US or Canada (and other countries I'm sure)- and - they made their decisions very rationally, electing reformers and people who can bring positive change to Iran and the world. And these people are effectively elected into to highest places of power! So the reforms by Khatami a long time ago worked to make the country very democratic. But the US? They voted in a guy that cheated on the polls, lied, killed hundreds of thousands, tortured... in their "democracy", 2 times in a row! What a bad democracy!

It's clear to me that Iran's democracy is better than the US's and/or Israel's.

"get with the program"

[mike435]

i will think about alot of what you said but regarding democracy in israel i absolutly do think it is one of the most repesrsented democrocys in the world definatly better than iran

look how unforgiving its people are and more importatnly they have the power to force tere opinion on the goverment

this past summer israel messed up big time in the leboan war righ taway they took out almost ll those responsible for it

look at us it took 6 years for rumsfeld to resighn

look how open there media is were else in the world do you see the agrasive brutal truth seeking media look how quickly "roodas mikonan" there leaders coroption from olmert to ktsav to almost all of them the smalls bit of corruption the media brings out and the people react

and dont for a second think these corroptions are only isolated to israel they are every were

and there part system look how quikly things can change on what the public wants

olmert was elected to office on account of giving back the westbank
now if he does not only would he be out but the right wing party will pick up many seats i think almost 21 and thats a lot

so i really dont think you are correct regarding israels politics

and the us you are right but than the us has somthing that no other system has and that is many points of entrys at all diffrent levels.
american people if they really wanted to they have many points to voice there opinions

and regarding all the rest of the stuff you said
keep this in mined

are you familiar with one of those posters that have many small imagaes of diffrnt things on them but all the small imagases make up one big immage

thats how the world is as corroct as you maybe just remeber all the other images competing against and with your image ar making the overall picture which includes your image to

[zubin]

i will think about alot of what you said but regarding democracy in israel i absolutly do think it is one of the most repesrsented democrocys in the world definatly better than iran

Yeah! A bunch of people who are brainwashed from when their kids to hate and kill Iranians and Muslims, yeah -- Great Democracy Mike -- Is this called the Brainwash Representative Democracy?

On the other hand, most Iranians want peace with other countries. That's a sign of a healthy democracy.

american people if they really wanted to they have many points to voice there opinions

Americans don't have freedom of speech because they don't have freedom of thought. You can talk all you want, but if you can't say what's on your mind then its not freedom of speech. Just like in Israel, most people are not educated for peaceful co-existence- they generally think of themselves as higher than other cultures.

Also, the points of view that are right, are often pressured into silence. People are accused of anti-semitism when they criticize a barbaric Israeli government. They don't have much political dissent on TV and in movies. They have monopolized language to their favor with the one-sided use of terms such as terrorism...

And freedom of speech is the US's strong point. lol...

thats how the world is as corroct as you maybe just remeber all the other images competing against and with your image ar making the overall picture which includes your image to

So you're using my argument against me now? Look, I told you that if you look at all parts of reality, you will see how silly Israel's ambitions, media, and foreign policy are. They need to grow up by having the guts to confront those who have really been anti-semitic and caused them problems. They also need to take responsibility for their irresponsibility in the Middle East- their support for disrupting and ruining it - and be respectful in the Middle East.

There's so much more.

Look Mike. I'll give you this much. You're good at twisting facts. You have a good understanding of how to twist any fact in your favor, even if it means advocacy for needless wars and loss of life.

Can I ask you a question? What has triggered you to take sides with Israel and never give it up no matter what? What can allow you to not see reality and take a one-sided view no matter what? Can I ask you this?

[zubin]

p.s.albate zoodtar in rish shepeshooa az iran beran behtare vali khode irania in karo bayad bekonan na fuzula!

Mike learn. Aren't you from Iran? Do you like Israel and the US telling us what to do? Do you like that an other culture thinks you are inferior to them? Do you want us to end up like the American Indians?

Ofcourse not, and for all these reasons we have the right to tell Israel and the US to not interfere with our affairs. In fact, to shut up and go home! And we are a peaceful, experienced culture that does not pose a threat through independence. We just want to be independent... It's every person's right Mike.

[abadani69]

wtf.............. i just saw that, vaghean ke. I have nothing to say bekhoda. Faghat ino begam ke whatever happens and whatever they say about Iran is just because of Isreal and US. They have been insulting us, abusing us, and have done lots of things to us and now they are blaming us for whatever have happened in the past and I am sure they will be blaming us for whatever that will happen in the future.
Valla, it's shame on them, I donno what we have done wrong to jews that they are blaming us for everything. I believe that would accuse us for whatever has been happening to Lebanon and Palastine.

All I can say, Shame on Jews and Americans!!!!

hala mike biya har chi mikhay begoo,javabeto midam because this video pisses me off so bad.

[mike435]

jubin you are labale me as using and twisting facts, you say i make irational claims based on no evidance you blame the the jews of judjuing with prejudice that is based on false notiong

yet look what you are saying

israelis who are born to hate iranians and muslims
(not exactly your words but same message)

yet it was khatami who refused israels humanitarian aid in the bam earthquake

and in regards to muslims were else in the middle east can a muslim with no ties soar so high and have so much freedom israel just recently appointed an arab minister despite recomandations by another minister not to do so

it gives or atleast trys to give the smae rights and services to its muslim arab population and if it doesnt its own published survays call it out and condemn it for not doing so
everyday independent and government survays point out ineficians of the the government somthing you dont see in other countries

it is a country that many times has taken in all sort of people for medical services

its populaion has one of the bigest libral movment
some of the best critics of israe which i call self haters are israeli or jewish

for you to come and say these things is playing the smae game that you are accusing israelis and jews of doing

[zubin]

jubin you are labale me as using and twisting facts, you say i make irational claims based on no evidance you blame the the jews of judjuing with prejudice that is based on false notiong

yet look what you are saying

israelis who are born to hate iranians and muslims
(not exactly your words but same message)

yet it was khatami who refused israels humanitarian aid in the bam earthquake

and in regards to muslims were else in the middle east can a muslim with no ties soar so high and have so much freedom israel just recently appointed an arab minister despite recomandations by another minister not to do so

it gives or atleast trys to give the smae rights and services to its muslim arab population and if it doesnt its own published survays call it out and condemn it for not doing so
everyday independent and government survays point out ineficians of the the government somthing you dont see in other countries

it is a country that many times has taken in all sort of people for medical services

its populaion has one of the bigest libral movment
some of the best critics of israe which i call self haters are israeli or jewish

for you to come and say these things is playing the smae game that you are accusing israelis and jews of doing

Mike, are you Iranian or not?

[mike435]

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Mike learn. Aren't you from Iran? Do you like Israel and the US telling us what to do? Do you like that an other culture thinks you are inferior to them? Do you want us to end up like the American Indians?

Ofcourse not, and for all these reasons we have the right to tell Israel and the US to not interfere with our affairs. In fact, to shut up and go home! And we are a peaceful, experienced culture that does not pose a threat through independence. We just want to be independent... It's every person's right Mike.

do you see what the huge and signifigant thing you have here is

WE as in not just i me or you but a majority that is true iran is like that but not the people that are running it

ahmadinejad is not the voice of iran nor is the gurdian of councule

most voices arnt repersented in irans governmet and the thing is part of that most is whih is a signifigant group is secular, center left, and left.

[mike435]

Mike, are you Iranian or not?

am i an iranian or not

i am an iranian american and a zionist who by extention will be an israeli thin of my situation as
a son whos
iranian dad is fighting with his israeli mom all the while he is am married to an american wife

[zubin]

do you see what the huge and signifigant thing you have here is

WE as in not just i me or you but a majority that is true iran is like that but not the people that are running it

ahmadinejad is not the voice of iran nor is the gurdian of councule

most voices arnt repersented in irans governmet and the thing is part of that most is whih is a signifigant group is secular, center left, and left.

Are you Iranian Mike, or not?

[mike435]

by the way the reson why here i so one sided towards israel is becuase i will apriciate the most out of the conversation and gain a better perspective

i am very much the other way when it comes to my other parts of identity
i tend to switch sides alot

[zubin]

am i an iranian or not

i am an iranian american and a zionist who by extention will be an israeli thin of my situation as
a son whos
iranian dad is fighting with his israeli mom all the while he is am married to an american wife

So there's no denying it, you're part Iranian, right?

[mike435]

So there's no denying it, you're part Iranian, right?

WTF yes obviously if i didnt care about my iranian part i wouldnt be here arguing with you

it much easier to say brobaba velesh kon

and go on my jolly way of living what ever reality i want to live

[zubin]

by the way the reson why here i so one sided towards israel is becuase i will apriciate the most out of the conversation and gain a better perspective

i am very much the other way when it comes to my other parts of identity
i tend to switch sides alot

That's great to hear, but we're not guinee pigs here. Plus, we're not stupid. You say things that show that you are indeed a Zionist and are only capable, for whatever reason, of twisting facts to support Zionist aims, which frankly are not good aims and are messing the middle east.

[mike435]

That's great to hear, but we're not guinee pigs here. Plus, we're not stupid. You say things that show that you are indeed a Zionist and are only capable, for whatever reason, of twisting facts to support Zionist aims, which frankly are not good aims.

screw you ok

i come here beliving in what i say
i mean what i say

and if it is wrong i will change it

i am not doing this for my own amusment at the cost of others

if you feel that way than just ignore me
but remeber this when yuo argue with me becuase of your or who ever who decids to argue with me i will gain somthng out of it

if you dont like that than dont do it