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[mike435]

also jubin do you really just want to go along with out ever being challanged

[zubin]

WTF yes obviously if i didnt care about my iranian part i wouldnt be here arguing with you

it much easier to say brobaba velesh kon

and go on my jolly way of living what ever reality i want to live

Ok, so as an Iranian, do you like it when other countries and cultures undermine your rights or independence? For example, the US constantly undermines the sovereignty of Iran, and most Americans have a perverted colonial view of Iranians and Iran. This is while Iranians do not pose a threat to US sovereignty. Are you not offended by that? Don't you feel like you have to support your country against a colonial aggressor? Even if you don't agree with the Iranian leadership, it is still a huge disrespect and threat to Iran, and you seem to simply not care for Iran at all. I'm afraid they got you Mike.

[zubin]

screw you ok

i come here beliving in what i say
i mean what i say

and if it is wrong i will change it

i am not doing this for my own amusment at the cost of others

if you feel that way than just ignore me
but remeber this when yuo argue with me becuase of your or who ever who decids to argue with me i will gain somthng out of it

if you dont like that than dont do it

What's stopping you from being honest? You say you're Zionist, then you say that you switch away from Israel's side. Make a choice here Mike! What are you a relentless Zionist that hopes to expand Israel and produce regime change in Iran no matter how irrational that is, or are you a balanced, individual?

[mike435]

Ok, so as an Iranian, do you like it when other countries and cultures undermine your rights or independence? For example, the US constantly undermines the sovereignty of Iran, and most Americans have a perverted colonial view of Iranians and Iran. This is while Iranians do not pose a threat to US sovereignty. Are you not offended by that? Don't you feel like you have to support your country against a colonial aggressor? Even if you don't agree with the Iranian leadership, it is still a huge disrespect and threat to Iran.

do you see how this exact question is posed to me agian in a diffrent chanel ie israel iran situation
were israel has not thretend irans sovernty yet the iranian leasder ship see israel as a country that does not have the right to excist

by the way i really dont see how one or the other is threating the others sovernty

and yes offcourse it does but probably i feel it much less than it upsets you.

but i dont see how it does threaten irans sovernty, i also get vey pissed everytime american soldirs are killed and i say i hope zire dast iran nabood

[mike435]

What's stopping you from being honest? You say you're Zionist, then you say that you switch away from Israel's side. Make a choice here Mike! What are you a relentless Zionist that hopes to expand Israel and produce regime change in Iran no matter how irrational that is, or are you a balanced, individual?

look i like to seek the truth many time i will choos the side that is opposite of status queo just so i can gain better understanding but that doesnt mean if i choose the other side i will o use things i dont beilve in
do you get what i mean

lets say i strongly belive in the free market system
yet in almost every paper i have written i argued against it my argumant are my true argumants that i belive in you could say it is my few doughts that i exploit

[zubin]

were israel has not thretend irans sovernty yet the iranian leasder ship see israel as a country that does not have the right to excist

Bullshit Mike. Israel has destabilized the whole Middle East since it existed. Right there the immoral act of genocide against Palestinians and Muslims threatens the sovereignty of the whole Middle East.

Now Israel has a NUCLEAR BOMB and Israeli lobby groups LOBBY FOR WAR WITH IRAN, and much of their media is geared towards hate and illegal regime change.

Israel is a threat to the middle east area and has been for a while Mike. One of the reasons for the Iranian revolution was to counter-act this aggression and illegal power in the Middle East.

and yes offcourse it does but probably i feel it much less than it upsets you.

but i dont see how it does threaten irans sovernty, i also get vey pissed everytime american soldirs are killed and i say i hope zire dast iran nabood

The bottom line is, if you are Iranian, you should defend Iran against aggression. Iran is not attacking the US. Iran is also not attacking Jews. But Jews and the US are attacking Iran and they have atomic bombs, media and money.

Iran is the one that needs help. As a part Iranian, no part of you is destroyed by going against Israel and US policy of aggression against Iran, even if you are partly American and Jew. You can be Jewish, American, and go against Jewish & US policy. But you can't be Iranian and go against the country Iran. You should defend the rights of Iran regardless of their leadership, especially when it does no harm to other countries. But by defending Israel and US policy, you are going against the country Iran completely.

[zubin]

look i like to seek the truth many time i will choos the side that is opposite of status queo just so i can gain better understanding but that doesnt mean if i choose the other side i will o use things i dont beilve in
do you get what i mean

lets say i strongly belive in the free market system
yet in almost every paper i have written i argued against it my argumant are my true argumants that i belive in you could say it is my few doughts that i exploit

Do you accept that you're drugged with Zionism and can't let go, no matter how much evidence is presented to you?

I mean, let's say God comes down and tells you you are wrong. Can really picture yourself giving up Zionism? It's hard for me to see that you would give it up even under these circumstances.

[mike435]

Bullshit Mike. Israel has destabilized the whole Middle East since it existed. Right there the immoral act of genocide against Palestinians and Muslims threatens the sovereignty of the whole Middle East.

Now Israel has a NUCLEAR BOMB and Israeli lobby groups LOBBY FOR WAR WITH IRAN, and much of their media is geared towards hate and illegal regime change.

Israel is a threat to the middle east area and has been for a while Mike. One of the reasons for the Iranian revolution was to counter-act this aggression and illegal power in the Middle East.




The bottom line is, if you are Iranian, you should defend Iran against aggression. Iran is not attacking the US. Iran is also not attacking Jews. But Jews and the US are attacking Iran and they have atomic bombs, media and money.

Iran is the one that needs help. As a part Iranian, no part of you is destroyed by going against Israel and US policy of aggression against Iran, even if you are partly American and Jew. You can be Jewish, American, and go against Jewish & US policy. But you can't be Iranian and go against the country Iran. You should defend the rights of Iran regardless of their leadership, especially when it does no harm to other countries. But by defending Israel and US policy, you are going against the country Iran completely.

and what makes you think i dont

are you the one who stands up in a class romm and says that iran has a past history of never attaking another country or starting a war

are you there when i say how it was the CIA that destaiblized iran by taking mossadegh an elect president

you are also not there when i iran has both geoghrophy and asset advantage of leading the regioon and it is not us job do do it and more importantly try to force the leadership on its self

ok i do care about iran and if as you say it is ok to go against my other idntitys which i do it is also ok to do the same with iran

[zubin]

by the way the reson why here i so one sided towards israel is becuase i will apriciate the most out of the conversation and gain a better perspective

i am very much the other way when it comes to my other parts of identity
i tend to switch sides alot

First thing is to "know thyself"...

The reason why you are one-sided towards Israel is because you're a Zionist Mike! You admitted this, no need to deny it, though I think you should seriously reconsider being a Zionist.

[zubin]

and what makes you think i dont

are you the one who stands up in a class romm and says that iran has a past history of never attaking another country or starting a war

are you there when i say how it was the CIA that destaiblized iran by taking mossadegh an elect president

you are also not there when i iran has both geoghrophy and asset advantage of leading the regioon and it is not us job do do it and more importantly try to force the leadership on its self

ok i do care about iran and if as you say it is ok to go against my other idntitys which i do it is also ok to do the same with iran

You care about Iran's past, but not Iran's current. lol....

Sure Mike, just isolate yourself. Let all Iranis wake up and defend their rights, country and to become independent, and you'll still be twisting facts and going against Iran... You are really giving up something here. You are giving up being Iranian without really needing to. Defending Iran does not mean that you have to hate being a Jew or even Israel totally, or the US. Many Jews and Americans go against US and Israel policy, and those are the brave ones... So you're not giving up anything by defending Iran's rights, but yet you choose to go against Iran...

[mike435]

so hwat i am zionist

it dosent mean just becuse i am zionist i cant be anything else

and if it does than i am not fined what ever definition that defined who i am for you

[abadani69]

Mike,

you didn't have any answer for me?I figured it out.

why you keep argueing with Ramin?You know that he is right, why you are just trying to make up everything and say it here?Where is your justice?Believe me,whatever that is happening in the world I would blame it on Israel and Jews. DOn't F****** blame it on Iran.

[mike435]

You care about Iran's past, but not Iran's current. lol....

no i want an iran that is a true repersantation of the revolution before it was hijacked by the muslim extrimist

i want the iran tht my parants lived in but with acctual freedom for all humanity baisicly irans constitution realized

and i dont thisnk iran has that chance with this ahmadinejad crowed

[zubin]

so hwat i am zionist

it dosent mean just becuse i am zionist i cant be anything else

and if it does than i am not fined what ever definition that defined who i am for you

Lose all respect by being a Zionist Mike. How can that be justified? Is it not just the taking out of anger on Palestinians and the Middle East?

[mike435]

Mike,

you didn't have any answer for me?I figured it out.

why you keep argueing with Ramin?You know that he is right, why you are just trying to make up everything and say it here?Where is your justice?Believe me,whatever that is happening in the world I would blame it on Israel and Jews. DOn't F****** blame it on Iran.

listen my respod was much much ahead
go read that i tried very hard for my responce to be nutral with out taking sides

but you geting mad it is important becuase it shows what the diaspora community feels wether it be iranian diaspora or in my case iranian and jeish diaspora

you see how it pissed you off when those minute facts non the less they were facts were magnified to paint a flse image imgaing how it feels gor that jew who lost his whole family in the holocust or the israeli who worked and gave his blood for his land to have just be questions by a dictator and mocked

the pain you felt is nothing compard to what it feelis like to a european jew who lost his entire family for being jewish and than again 60 years later his suffaring is moched and questiond