Anti-Iranian TV AD by AFPC

[mike435]

joubin i really fucvking want to know what other form of dicent or movment will you use when you dont respect the best one

what are the other options

you are sour looser you you you

[mike435]

here is letter write somthing like this i will write it for you

To whome it may concern


Your add regarding Iran is extremely disturbing and irresponsible.
The facts that you claim in the add which are non the less facts are used to paint a false picture about Iran and Iranians.

In the add you claim Iran gave key to young boys when they were sent off to open the gates of heaven though this is true it still has nothing to do with whats going on today or how it will impact american foreghn policy towards iran.

Also why are you using ahmadnejads comment about the holocaust against Iranians, as you know president ahmadinejad is only a symbolic figure and real power still lies in the hands of Khamani who is much more stable and less populas.

[mike435]

dont be sour looser

by doing just bitching about stuff you open the door for hate and bigotry

[mike435]

YouTube - Hahaha

to cleans the palet
a moment of zen

[mike435]

Joubin you know you accuse me of not using fact what about you, you constantly use false opinions.


You claim Israel has committed genocide after genocide that is just an lie you are using with out evidence the closes Israel came to a genocide was when Ariel Sharon looked the other way and did not do anything when a group Lebanese Christian slaughtered a town of Palestinians.

Also another time was when Israel was taking the west bank and Gaza in the six day war but even that was not a genocide because the people of those places fled, hence the world refugees.

But while we are on the subject what about your beloved democratic regime
How many Iranian did they kill right when they came to power, what about all the communist, leftist and anti Khomeini people, all the previous government staff of the shah, how people do they still kill under the banner of reform m
Sure there is reform but what happens when under reform you protest and you are thorn out of the balcony of your dormitory

Also remember the Iraq war what was the casualty of that
Was it not genocide when 350,000 Iraqis many civilians
Or what about the young boys they forced into the battle field


You said what the Jews are doing is racist to go after the Iranian people,
Yet you generalized Jews of always wanting power and not caring about anything else
You know something at least that add uses some facts but what about you you just use false opinions to generalize a group of people

Does your generalization apply to majority of Jews who are just struggling to live.

Than you claim that I am full of myself
Yet look at your stupid actions, anyone and everyone except you and those who hate America and western foreign policy are brainwashed and trapped in a system that is just a mirage what puts you on your high horse.



America as just a conditioned population. Who make irrational illogical decisions on the behalf of a few.

Ps. Regarding genocide



lso they are a terrorist group because even if the Israeli put down there guns down today they will all be slaughtered by the terrorist groups. This is a fact.

And if I offended you because I used truths to paint a bad image of irans government well than consider me a true patriotic because I use dicent and we know how much your arrogant better than everyone else intellectual truth seeking personality loves people who are not brainwashed to just accept thing and dicent.

[mike435]

you know somthing i learnd somthing very valuable in the past day

i should shut the **** up

becuase in realty what it comes down to is one articulating and 2. hating america.

if you say israels commits genocide that is valid, if you israel is more of a terrorist that is valid, if you say iranian goverment is more of a democrasy that is also valid why
becuse they all have one thing in common they all dicent american values and policy.

and sadly this is why i hate the democrats now
they used to be a perty that allways stood on the corret side of the moral compas,
and i do agree that their are alot of things wrong with american policy,

but to day everyone is aligning theme selfs with these coruppt regimes of midleast becuse they hate america.
you have lost the distiction between dicent and basles rejection

if you want to dicent american or israeli actions do it but dont think what the regims or iranian government is doig is dicent it is not it is just bs hate.

the only thing that pices me off is i wish you had reveald your true side before and earlier, i wish i hadnt fallen for you mirage of logic and balanced approach it was all just a mirage.

and you know somthing else i still wanne thik that maybe in the past two days it wasnt realy ramin writing under jubin that it was someone else.

what happend to your logic based approach of being balanced and looking objectivly and going forwared.
look at you now everything i say you will dismiss it under the banner of brainwash how do you know you are not brain washed.

[donsaeid]

Interesting! mike! stop flip floping you remind me of john kerry

[zubin]

nutcase regarding your post i dont even ****ing know who i am any more

as i said best example

iranian mother fighting israeli dad while married to american wife
and oerty much fighting with all of them

You're Half Persian and Half Jewish. To me, you are not American at all, or Israeli, because in your case, those influences are mostly ideological brainwash. Many people live in the US and don't get ideologically brainwashed, and so the little bit American that they are is valid.

if holding you to same standards

i dont see you respecting my other identitys yet you claim that i dont respect iranians becuase of my opinion you know what thats ****ing bull shit bull shit

It's not bullshit because you think you and your israel/us masters are in charge of Iran. You advocate the rejection of Iranian opinion for their self-determination, as well as the value of the efforts of Iranian. You have admitted these things already, so it stops right there. You don't have respect for Iran or Iranians for this very specific, admitted reason, and the whistle blows right there, game over.

what says that the under dogg is always right

This is a freakfest... Nice try. You are not the "underdogg", you are the anti-Iranian that's been brainwashed by "American" and "Israeli" ideology.

i said take action and you said the american system is flawed so how will you take action what are you going to do just blog on this foram which dosent do anyting

You are inherently a disrespectful person Mike. You're saying that all I do is blog here? You are saying I don't have a life beyond tapesh? How do you know what I do in the 24-hours of my day?

You are an inherently disrespectful person Mike, I'm sorry. But this is how you've been raised. Just know that you don't have to always be a carbon copy of what you've learned. Often,,,, you will realize that what you've been taught is wrong. Also- no one wins when you pay respect to your brainwashers. You have to be independent for yourself, and so that people will be proud of you.

i really want to know if any of you guys who said anything about this video will acctualy do anything about, or will you just look at it get pissed and say to your self damn these jews go around influencing american opinion to put sanctions on iran.

You're full of yourself. You hug yourself in a special way at night.

just remember there are more iraninans than there are jews who fund these add campaighns

Yeah and let's just go along with it? It's because we don't voice our concerns over these things that Iranians get into it. You don't voice your concerns, but worse, support them.

and if you refuse to use the system to your advantage you are the looser.
i really hope some of you guys orginize and email the producer of that campaigh

remeber every one has used the same bs system to there advantage
blacks, japanies , jews

You're saying the only way for change is to send an email to these mf's? That's not true. There is no "only way". There are many ways. Human beings are diverse, creative people, not America's sheep.

Joubin you know you accuse me of not using fact what about you, you constantly use false opinions.


You claim Israel has committed genocide after genocide that is just an lie you are using with out evidence the closes Israel came to a genocide was when Ariel Sharon looked the other way and did not do anything when a group Lebanese Christian slaughtered a town of Palestinians.

Israel killed, kills, kicked out, kicks out, and starts wars. All against Palestinians. There's no denying it. Don't be a Holocaust Denier!

But while we are on the subject what about your beloved democratic regime
How many Iranian did they kill right when they came to power, what about all the communist, leftist and anti Khomeini people, all the previous government staff of the shah, how people do they still kill under the banner of reform m

Those are all facts. Though its not against other cultures, it can be put a similar field in terms of the outcomes in the hands of the Israel and Iran governments. I never denied it. I never even mentioned it, because its not relevant to outside aggression against Iran-- except that outside aggressors cause it.

The differences is clearly that Iran came out of a revolution while Israel was produced by an illegal genocide against Palestinians.

Also, the US and Israel largely caused the Iranian revolution, while Iran did not cause American and Israel atrocities.

You didn’t directly call me racist, but I am calling you racist
You said what the Jews are doing is racist to go after the Iranian people,
Yet you generalized Jews of always wanting power and not caring about anything else

Why do you lie? So now you're a liar? I said I am NOT an anti-semite and RIGHT NOW Israel and the US are trying too hard to get power in the Middle East.

You have to twist or deny these facts, and attempt, very shamefully, to deny them from tapesh by calling me racist. Do you have no shame?

And I said you are not racist, but you support racist things.

You know something at least that add uses some facts but what about you you just use false opinions to generalize a group of people

Stop taking out the anger of anti-semitism of your past against us here Mike. This is not your therapy session, though I'm willing to help you and professional decipher the relevant experiences you've had to self-hate and produce hate against the wrong people.

Than you claim that I am full of myself
Yet look at your stupid actions, anyone and everyone except you and those who hate America and western foreign policy are brainwashed and trapped in a system that is just a mirage what puts you on your high horse.

Yeah Mike, I don't care about the issues, I just want to be on a high horse. You are the worse psychologist possible Mike.

But are you in my heart? Are you in my mind? I have shown evidence that I argue passionately for peace, security, equality and freedom. You can deny it and make up stuff, calling me stupid, but it just shows that you're a sore loser Mike. That's all. You've lost all arguments, you make no sense, and you have lost my friendship and my respect. You might be paranoid about how others see you after these discussions. But you don't have to defend yourself by calling me stupid or just generally saying and doing stupid things. People will respect you if you are not pretentious like that.

You say I don’t deserve respect because I think my opinions is more important than that of the Iranian people, I don’t know were you got that from

You rejected Iranian democracy Mike. You want to insert an American-Israel country in Iran instead of respecting the efforts that Iranians are doing for positive change. That's where you crossed the line, forever.

But shouldn’t I also be offended of you when you dismiss all of America as just a conditioned population. Who make irrational illogical decisions on the behalf of a few.

I don't fall into these traps because not "all" of anything is bad, and I would never say it. In fact, I stated that the issue isn't the positive things, and I admited the positive things. I said the US is advanced in science. There are other advancements. I like some American music, for example.

The FOCUS is not on the positives, its on the negatives of taking advantage of the powers the US has. The US has the most powers, and they use it as if they are the rulers of the world. That's why people say down to USA. The USA interferes, curruptly, racistly, and colonially, with the private lives of people all over the world, while those countries do not pose the same threats to Americans in the US. This is not a hard fact to admit Mike.

Ps. Regarding genocide
Also another thing when I used the word terrorism you kept saying how its is not appropriate because it is not black and white, than why do you use the word genocide here. you see how bull shit your hypocrisy and daboulle standard is when it soot’s you some words are used and when it doesn’t suit you, you argue how a word is not right.

You're assuming that I'm taking you seriously. If I were writing a university paper, I would or would not use the word genocide depending on its validity as an objective concept. But I'm talking to someone who doesn't understand anything and that has learned very well how to be an annoying liar and trickster.

Also, genocide and terrorism are very different concepts. Genocide involves the true washing away of a culture or country. Terrorism always involves political resistence against an oppressor. These are fundamentally different concepts.

[zubin]

you know somthing i learnd somthing very valuable in the past day

i should shut the **** up

becuase in realty what it comes down to is one articulating and 2. hating america.

if you say israels commits genocide that is valid, if you israel is more of a terrorist that is valid, if you say iranian goverment is more of a democrasy that is also valid why
becuse they all have one thing in common they all dicent american values and policy.

I gave the reasons. The Middle East deserves to advance without stupid war-making countries. The world is sick of the US and of Israel's bullying.

and i do agree that their are alot of things wrong with american policy,

but to day everyone is aligning theme selfs with these coruppt regimes of midleast becuse they hate america.

You're assuming that Iranians don't have good, brains. Iranians are very, very capable of fighting their own freedom against their government, and THEY HAVE IN FACT DONE SO. Its none of some American or Israeli's business how Iranians resist their own government. They can't be colonial with us and say that we're too stupid to take care of things ourselves. Sorry. We are smart in these things, perhaps smarter. We have a rich culture, rich language, rich art, rich minds, and none of that deserves to be interfered with due to selfish maniacs from outside. We have our own minds and will do things without the interferences of people who falsely believe they are superior, and people who, psychopathically, believe they have the right to interfere with our lives.

And aligning with Iranian foreign policy is categorically valid, even if you're against the government. They are fully seperate fields, and in the foreign policy arena, Iran has good reason to win, and the US should eventually be kicked out of the home we call Middle East. Israel should become friendly and direct their anger to the much more deserving people.

the only thing that pices me off is i wish you had reveald your true side before and earlier, i wish i hadnt fallen for you mirage of logic and balanced approach it was all just a mirage.

and you know somthing else i still wanne thik that maybe in the past two days it wasnt realy ramin writing under jubin that it was someone else.

what happend to your logic based approach of being balanced and looking objectivly and going forwared.
look at you now everything i say you will dismiss it under the banner of brainwash how do you know you are not brain washed.

You know why Mike? Because you know you're brainwashed, and I know I'm not brainwashed. You know right away, when you think about it, that you're brainwashed. I can easily extract the processes of brainwash from your childhood, guaranteed. But I know that I am not brainwashed. I know, and you know.

Other reasons: I have not pledged my allegience with anyone. All your arguments are based on allegience with the US and Israel, while all my arguments are full refutations of your assumptions and arguments, and you know it. You have accepted my points because they are logical Mike. You have always accepted my points, because they are logical. But you can't break away from your allegience. Everyone here sees, you constantly clearly show, and its clear as day that you are having a hard time breaking away from your allegience, even when you accept facts that refute your allegience. You know Mike, that the stronger part of you at least is brainwashed. I'm shocked that there is a 5% of you that craves to break away and be objective, unless its a complete show. Taking that craving all the way would be wise indeed.

Again, you are not doing anyone good, even those who have produced your allegiences, by staying with them. You are not an independent person anyone can be really proud of... until you start accepting things independently and doing things that you believe in, not that someone else believes in. You, as an independent human being, with your own brain, that does not need to be pressured and told what to believe. If you see something logically true, true, then it benefits everyone if you take that instead of sticking to your allegience. Especially, it benefits you.

Mike. I'm done here. Please do not continie arguing with me on topics. If you believe what you're saying, that's fine, stick with it. I have the right not to deal with it. I don't want to deal with it or argue with you on any topic. Please have respect and don't harrass me.

I would be interested, however, in discussing the topic of brainwash, particularly how one becomes brainwashed and how and why they should break out of it. We can talk here, or, if you're interested in this more seriously, you will need to get my address or use paypal as I'm not going to do it for free since I don't have the time right now.

[abadani69]

Ramin,baba inghadr sar be sare bache nazar. velesh kon be haale khodesh khosh baashe

[zubin]

Ramin,baba inghadr sar be sare bache nazar. velesh kon be haale khodesh khosh baashe

Bekhoda deege nemeekham bahash bahs konam.

[abadani69]

afarin be tu. velesh kon khodesh inghadr harf bezane ta khaste beshe vo tobe kone az injoor harfa bezane

Bekhoda deege nemeekham bahash bahs konam.

[mike435]

bahs nakon i am just going constantly post things that will go against what you say on this thread

You know those of you guys who actually believe the lies of joubin
Lies like
Iran is more democratic than USA, there is real democracy , people are not brainwashed in iran or they are logical, or that the us public is jut a brainwashed, or that in the us people are learnd to hate iran etc… American media is controlled bias,


I want to ask you joubin if American media and education is so bad than why was in my
HIS 310 class were I learned about massaged and CIA acts, why was it than in highschool I learnd about the BP and irans oil

Or why was it when I was in Iran if Iran so good and it people are not conditioned to hate why did I every day say marg bar Israel what does an eight year old know that he has to say death to israel and America.

You are full of shit and I am stupid for respecting what you had to say .

[mike435]

here are some sighns of hope from iran there is an overwelming amount of meterial that by far out number the slight sighns of hope, but non the less even a small candle can light up a totaly dark room

http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S1#

many of it by khatami and excedra
anyyways i could have posted things that bash and really show how discusting and ill fated iranian media is and how it conditions people but i decide not to start with ugliness and instead show the contrast of what is possible.
to much of that is already going around

but if you care for your self a brief 3 minute search on memritv.org

will give you a small glips of some of irans cartoons media and even education system

some of the things said by the education minister is absolutly lutacris

[mike435]

by the wat joubin i no longer read what you write
so count me out as your audiance