Anti-Iranian TV AD by AFPC

[mike435]

Comon
I personally agree that Iran's Islamic government has to reform to meet the demands of human rights.

But please, don't bullshit. Don't make stuff as you go along. The world is not created in your image. The fact is that Iran's democracy is stronger than many "democratic" countries. This is based on empirical facts that we can't change or ignore in order to support our Zionist views. The best example is that in Iran's recent elections, more people went to the polls than they do in the US or Canada (and other countries I'm sure)- and - they made their decisions very rationally, electing reformers and people who can bring positive change to Iran and the world. And these people are effectively elected into to highest places of power! So the reforms by Khatami a long time ago worked to make the country very democratic. But the US? They voted in a guy that cheated on the polls, lied, killed hundreds of thousands, tortured... in their "democracy", 2 times in a row! What a bad democracy!

It's clear to me that Iran's democracy is better than the US's and/or Israel's.

"get with the program"

your better democracy
your better human rights

your better get with the program

you reforms from beloved khatami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wHbxfIVshE

[donsaeid]

we saw what reforms gave us! ahmadinezhad'!

[zubin]

we saw what reforms gave us! ahmadinezhad'!

actually the reforms gave us the last elections that brought in reformers and kicked out Ahmadinejad. With some patience, they really worked...

[donsaeid]

which election are you talking about? Majles? all conservative... Khobregan? conservative... Shoraye Shahr? Conservative! there is even a Groupe Called Ahmadinezhads friends which won alot of power in last shora election! Get your facts strait!

[zubin]

Reformers climbed and the conservatives are reform-minded. No?

[donsaeid]

Conservative is reform mindded? yeah change to 1979 time!

[zubin]

Are you disputing these two facts Saeid or saying they don't matter?

1) One of Khatami's reforms was the introduction of local/municipal elections, and Ahmadinejad's party was the biggest loser of these elections

2) After current elections, less ultra-conservative, and more power was given to pragmatism (reform in economy and foreign policy) and reform (in law) in the highest parts of the state?

Because these are confirmed in sources... Maybe you have a different interpretation or something?


EG:



Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was dealt an embarrassing blow on 15 December 2006 in Iran's twin votes for local councils and the Assembly of Experts. After only eighteen months in power, voters showed their disillusionment over the Iranian president's unfulfilled economic promises. Allies of the president have failed to win control of any local council; the results reveal the victory of pragmatic politicians, technocrats, moderate conservatives and reformists.

The former president (1989-97) Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani - endorsed by reformists in a new alliance - secured a landslide win for a seat on the powerful eighty-six-member Assembly of Experts that oversees the work of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Although Ahmadinejad's spiritual guide Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi was able to gain a place on the assembly, he is amongst a tiny minority; a close scrutiny of the results shows that 80% of the assembly members are longstanding allies of Rafsanjani.

The Rafsanjani bloc's win is a strong indication of the electorate's displeasure with Ahmadinejad's oppressive policies at home and aggressive policies abroad. The pragmatic Rafsanjani, who has been openly at loggerheads with the president, told a pre-election gathering of clerics not to over-emphasise America's woes in the region; "Iran's nuclear file is still dangerous", he said, and "it cannot be solved with slogans".

Ahmadinejad has inflamed Iran's nuclear row with the west, leaving the country vulnerable to United Nations sanctions. The electorate's disapproval appears to be shared even by Iran's clerical elite. In Iran's Byzantine network of government agencies, the twelve-member Guardian Council oversees all elections. In the past has used its veto power to reject mostly progressive candidates, but this time round many of the Assembly of Experts candidates aligned with Ahmadinejad and Mesbah-Yazdi were also disbarred. In the final count they lacked both the candidate numbers and the public support to carve significant power within the assembly.

Since his election in June 2005, President Ahmadinejad has evolved into a recognised symbol of Islamic defiance. He appears to have thrived in the oxygen of media publicity that his inflammatory statements and anti-Israel pronouncements have brought him; most recently, he has gone as far as hosting a Tehran conference casting doubt on the holocaust.

Yet inside Iran - the country with the largest Jewish community outside of Israel in the middle east - only the conference's organisers and the hateful crew that attended seemed to know about it; most Iranian citizens were oblivious to the gathering.

The former (Mohammad Khatami-era) vice-president and cleric Mohammad Ali Abtahi is among many others in Iran to have condemned the conference; he called it "irrelevant to the history of Iran or Islam or to the needs of the people", adding that such a conference "cruelly places the people of Iran - to be perceived by the world - as flanking Nazis and fascists".

The election results strongly signal that Iran's last desperate grab at revolutionary resurgence is finally fizzling out (see Fred Halliday, "Iran's revolutionary spasm", 1 July 2006).

The lesson is that the United States and her allies must move away from the "axis of evil" mindset. The US, by playing sparring-partner with radicals like Ahmadinejad, is only empowering them in the region. The US must catch up with the fluid realities of a country slowly but surely moving towards reform. Beating the same rhetorical drum merely demonstrates how little Washington understands what is going on in Iran and how distant it is from figuring out what to do next.