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  • Rasputin
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 63906

    #646
    Part I


    They’re in the news often enough, but Iran’s relationship with the world hasn’t actually changed for nearly a decade. The sticking point is the nuclear bomb and no progression or regression is possible in Iran’s relations with the world until a genuine conclusion is reached. It’s hard to read the scorecard, but if the Iranian government’s desire was to win time they have won admirably.

    A conclusion will arrive in one of three options: Iran will get the bomb, Iran will be bombed for trying to get the bomb or Iran will renounce the bomb. The best result for everyone, perhaps surprisingly, is for Iran to hurry up and get the bomb. The sooner they do, the sooner Iran can begin to believe what much of the world already knows: Iran has become a major power.

    The last several decades have taken an Iran defined by rural inefficiency to an urban nation on the brink of joining the first-world elite. Scholastic achievement, a moderately diversified industry, increased job opportunities, widespread suitable housing, firm infrastructure, female empowerment, more than partial democracy, socialist safety nets: Iran has completed much of the heavy lifting required to raise a country of 70 million high enough to no longer be considered just another Middle Eastern state stuck in the past. Whatever one’s views of the Islamic government, anyone who knows Iran firsthand is impressed but perhaps surprised at the country’s rapid development in the last 30 years. Iran recently became only the ninth country to launch an information satellite. This didn’t elicit much chest-thumping here in Tehran – people seemed more surprised that only eight other countries have done it, not that this nation of engineers and doctors figured it out. But when you’re not permitted to travel freely it’s easy to think the grass is greener absolutely everywhere. Above all, Iranians unjustifiably low self-esteem may be the result of a national character defined in large part by a love of loud pessimism seemingly self-defeatingly mixed with an unbridled idealism.

    Iran does not appear like a country in need of a revolution, as western media outlets insist. If they would (or could) visit, they would see Iran looks exactly like it should: like a country who had a successful popular revolution some time ago. In fact, Iranians are going to be wary of any destructive revolution which could jeopardize the considerable and well-distributed gains made since Iran became a republic. Iran’s influence over southwest Asia – over Iraq, Syria, Palestine (and thus Israel) - shows that its regional strength cannot be doubted. For all that is made of modern “city-states” like Bahrain or Qatar it’s unlikely these thinly-populated countries will ever have the gravitas to lead a region of more than one billion Muslims.

    And so, when Iran gets the bomb they will be fully-equipped to definitively move from the Cubas, the Nigerias, and the Thailands of the world – the regional influences in the shadow of powerful armies and economies – to the level occupied by Europe and the United Kingdom: not super powers, but super players.

    Good Fences, Good Neighbors
    The world’s premier defensive weapon cannot lift a destitute nation, like the “born nuclear” countries of the former Soviet Union, to such a realm but it could for Iran. And the way nuclear proliferation can go from evil to good here is all controlled by the amount we understand the adjective “defensive.”

    If threats of nuclear warfare were effective Russia wouldn’t resort to lording their gas supplies over Europe’s head every other winter. Atomic warfare could only possibly be justified to end a World War III; to use it to start one would ensure the launching country’s complete annihilation. Anyone who thinks Iran will use nuclear warfare on Israel (and thus Palestinians) shows their ignorance by believing Iran is more like North Korea when it is in fact a small step from Austria or Australia. There are no mad despots here and the populace is not fending off starvation. Despite the hope inspired by the ascent of Barack Obama, recent history is clearly a story of American hegemony falling and Iranian influence rising. The new reality, for those who wish to take off their Shah-colored glasses (and perhaps they should stop taking disco lessons as well) makes it impossible for Iran to be bombed, or more accurately, for their nuclear facilities to be bombed by the U.S. or Israel: Neither country has the political or moral strength to justify such an attack and, as the quagmire in Iraq reveals, they may not even have what they always took for granted - the military strength. Because Iran is the exact opposite of Iraq – a thriving, democratic, well-built nation – no bombs will fall there for some time. A strategic bombing would inflame Iran into taking to the streets, to the embassies and to the airwaves and the moral high ground the west has enjoyed would be pulled from under them, leaving them without hard or soft power. Furthermore, such an attack would be futile as Iran certainly has the money and the will to rebuild.

    Equally unlikely is for Iran to willingly abandon their nuclear program. In the last 30 years they have been attacked by neighbors and encircled by enemies. Most Iranians support the nuclear program because they know that with the bomb they are eminently safer. For them to give up this security, while Obama plans to “withdraw” from Iraq (to the tune of 40,000 troops left behind ) and increase the efforts in Afghanistan seems to invite invasion as, in the short term, both seem likely to become U.S. client states with commensurate military bases. The world is indeed a better place without nuclear weapons, but that genie is out of the bottle and unfortunately in the hands of even such ramshackle and unstable countries as Pakistan, Uzbekistan and India (despite their “world’s largest democracy” moniker, any country that scores lower than Sudan and Rwanda on the 2008 Global Hunger Index is inherently unstable in my book). Asking Iran to give up the bomb is really all the world has the power to do – ask – and Iran does not seem willing to relinquish their right to equal technology and perhaps the ultimate security blanket.

    Endless Progress, Not War
    The best solution, and the most definitive, forward-moving one, is for Iran to get the bomb. It’s the best for Iranians, it’s the best for the Middle East and it’s even the best for America. As the bomb further reduces the likelihood of war, thus increasing the odds for successful diplomacy, it should even be the best for Israel. Iran has two ways it can go when they get the bomb: they can enjoy their new security and look inward or they can look outward and increase insecurity. When they no longer have to spend attention and resources in ensuring their own safety, Iran could more completely address the relatively minor issues required for the final step into powerful modernity: The issue of corruption from the very top down to the taxi driver who ignores yet another right of way (though that is pleasantly improving as well in modern Iran); a national referendum on the wearing of the chador, if only to legitimize to the west (and perhaps to themselves) that Iranian women do in fact want to be compelled to wear it; undertaking the international monetary steps required to reassess the inflated value of the rial; ending the expensive “bread and circuses” subsidy of gasoline; increasing the amounts of academic and job opportunities their rising youth require, especially with the construction of more universities; extending the reach of public transportation; continuing to fund public beautification projects (more icing on the cake that modern countries enjoy) and more.

    I say “minor changes” because Iran has truly solved many fundamental issues other countries struggle with such as high-school education, health care, welfare, safety, affordable housing, etc. But Iran would have to make one drastic change: it would have to look inward for solutions instead of looking outward for blame, at old scapegoats like the U.S., England and Israel. This psychological acceptance of personal responsibility will be more difficult for Iran than decreasing unemployment as for 30 years, justified or not, it has been xenophobic and paranoid towards the outside world. Are Iranians ready to accept the fact that no one outside of Iran is really preventing them from attaining domestic happiness? I could even define progress by at least getting Iranians to concede that a statute of limitations has been reached regarding complaints about the Mongol invasion of Genghis Khan! For those who have never been: Such is Iran (at its worst).

    The easily predictable reality is that once they get the bomb the current Iranian government will feel emboldened and empowered. The can easily proclaim success and try to persuade Iranians that this proves their bonafides as good governors, justifying maintenance of the status quo. But the tenets of Islamic fundamentalism require their adherents to continually evangelize in Iraq, Syria, Palestine and everywhere else. Instead of making the truly few improvements to become a modern, enjoyable and reputable country, some will continue to be hard-liners and extend the revolution, adding nuclear tips to their umbrella of influence.

    iran

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    • Rasputin
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 63906

      #647
      Part II



      Unpopular, But Invaluable?
      If the revolution of 1979 was supposed to truly uplift Iran then getting the bomb could, surprisingly, be its capstone. But if it was supposed to spread Islamic fundamentalism then there is no end to that war.

      Hysterical evangelism may have had its merits domestically but it’s likely just not compatible with modern diplomacy. For example, Iran has lobbied for more than a decade to join the other 95% of the world in the World Trade Organization (WTO). In 2005 they were made an observer member, putting them on track to become a full member perhaps as soon as 2011. But If Iran is accepted in the WTO the hard-liners may very quickly get them kicked out of it: As a result of the Danish cartoon incident, in 2006 Iran summarily ended all economic relations with Denmark, which is explicitly against the rules of the WTO. This act of economic jihad earned them reprimands and put their membership in jeopardy. Such a move may not have been an Islamic blunder but it definitely was a political one, poorly serving Iran’s citizens.

      The best conclusion to a book on the Iranian Revolution would read as follows: “After 30 years of austerity, war, reconstruction - a period of true soul-searching and physical remaking of Iran - the country achieved a prosperous modernity without losing its ancient character and unique culture. And upon developing the nuclear bomb Iran felt so secure the people of Iran realized Islamic fundamentalist government had served its protective purpose and was democratically replaced by a more secular government that re-opened Iran to the world, which was shocked at how much the place had changed for the better.”

      The Iranian fundamentalists could win an almost Biblical victory: they could end by restoring Iran to power and then parading back as the nation’s saviors to the seminaries of Qom, leaving behind only as many clerics and religious leaders as Iranian democracy taps. They could be willing to relinquish hysterical evangelism for prosperity and a more gradual liberal diplomacy.

      It’s vital to remember that the sine qua non of any democracy is a peaceful transfer of power from one political party to another. America proved its mettle when the Federalist Party of George Washington was replaced without violence by Thomas Jefferson and the Republican Party. If the voters of Iran seek to democratically install a party less aligned with religion it is imperative Iranian society demand the opportunity to do so. And if Iranian society is strong enough to find within itself a will to seize a power greater than atomic energy – acceptance of the fact that they alone control their own destiny – they will see that the hard-liners have served their function. They have fended off the excesses of modern individualism, they have instituted an effective socialist state, they have fought off attacks from outside and they have retained Iran’s essential (and maybe even some unessential) characteristics. The progress Iran has made under their leadership is undeniable, but we could be reaching an era of nothing but perpetual war and diminishing returns in our investment in Islamic governance.

      Demand More, Get More
      The bomb can belong to the fundamentalists or to the entire nation. If the Iranian voter cares enough to call for it, they could install a new government that is similar to all successful countries: they trade slow success in foreign policy in return for immediate success domestically. This new government, secure in achievement and safety, would have the ability to do what it takes, in accordance with the new realities of power, to resume positive relations with the world and reap the many benefits. There’s no reason Iran can’t continue to enjoy thumbing their nose at the world, as we perhaps must, but it can be as a powerful equal instead of as an eccentric outcast. And eccentric outcasts might exacerbate the Palestinian crisis but they will never broker the solution. Iran for Iranians first: it’s a distinctly un-evangelical idea. With the bomb there will finally be no more barbarians at Iran’s gate. When the gates are opened Iran has to decide: Are they going to rush out in counter-attack or allow the fresh breeze of peace and prosperity to roll in?

      iran

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      • Rasputin
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2005
        • 63906

        #648

        iran

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        • Rasputin
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2005
          • 63906

          #649
          Why U.S. must attack Iran

          To stop the collapse of the dollar

          "The real reasons behind the invasion of Iraq and why USA must now declare war on Iran. You will be shocked why we went to war."



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          • Rasputin
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2005
            • 63906

            #650
            Israeli missile attack?

            Study on a Possible Israeli Strike on Iran's Nuclear Development Facilities

            Center for Strategic & International Studies: A military strike by Israel against Iranian Nuclear Facilities is possible and the optimum route would be along the Syrian-Turkish border then over a small portion of Iraq then into Iran, and back the same route. However, the number of aircraft required, refueling along the way and getting to the targets without being detected or intercepted would be complex and high risk and would lack any assurances that the overall mission will have a high success rate ...



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            • Rasputin
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2005
              • 63906

              #651
              روزنامه فایننشال تایمز چاپ لندن در شماره پنچشنبه 13 فروردین (دوم آوریل) به نقل از وزیر دفاع آمریکا نوشته است که به عقیده او، در احتمال حمله اسراییل به ایران در سال جاری تردید وجود دارد.

              رابرت گیتس، وزیر دفاع آمریکا، در گفتگوی اختصاصی با روزنامه فایننشال تایمز گفته است که آمریکا و اسراییل فرصت کافی دارند تا ایران را متقاعد کنند برنامه تحقیقات هسته ای خود را متوقف کند.

              این در حالی است که بنیامین نتانیاهو نخست وزیر جدید و تندرو اسراییل تنها چند روز پیش باری دیگر ایران را بزرگترین خطر برای خود اعلام کرده بود.

              وزیر دفاع آمریکا به فایننشال تایمز گفته است که حمله اسراییل به ایران در سال جاری میلادی باعث تعجب او خواهد شد.

              آقای گیتس گفت تا زمان عبور ایران از آنچه که وی خط قرمز اتمی نامید هنوز "یک سال، یا دو سال، یا سه سال" فرصت باقی است.

              این در حالی است که ژنرال دیوید پتریوس فرمانده نیروهای آمریکایی در خاور میانه دیروز (چهارشنبه) در گزارش به کمیته نیروهای مسلح سنا گفته بود اسراییل ممکن است در صورت احساس خطر به ایران حمله کند.

              وی گفت جدیت آمریکا در روند صلح اعراب و اسراییل می تواند از نفوذ ایران در منطقه بکاهد.

              اسراییل اخیرا مانوورهای نظامی گسترده ای انجام داده که گفته می شود به نوعی سنجش آمادگی ارتش برای حمله به ایران بوده باشد.

              به نوشته فایننشال تایمز دریادار مایک مالن، رییس ستاد مشترک ارتش آمریکا نیز پس از آن مانوورها به اسراییل هشدار داده بود که دست به حمله نظامی علیه ایران نزند.

              انفعال دیپلماسی ایران

              با این که ورود تندروها به قدرت در اسراییل می تواند بطور بالقوه برای منافع ایران در منطقه خطرناک باشد، برخی ناظران معتقند دیپلماسی آن کشور نسبت به تهدید حمله نظامی اسراییل انفعالی شده است.

              بدین ترتیب، به گفته این ناظران، علائم متناقضی دائما از سوی آمریکا و اسراییل در خصوص حمله یا عدم حمله به ایران از سوی مقامات امنیتی و نظامی آن دو کشور ارسال می شود بدون این که ایران برنامه دیپلماتیک مشخصی برای کاهش تهدید پیش رو نشان داده باشد.

              ایران همواره گفته است که برنامه تحقیقات اتمی آن کشور به منظور تامین سوخت مورد نیاز نیروگاه هسته ای برق یک هزار مگاواتی بوشهر است.


              iran

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              • Rasputin
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2005
                • 63906

                #652
                Israeli "false-flag" operation

                Israeli jets painted with American colors plan to bomb Iran

                [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEKlIr9jTk[/ame]

                The next Israeli "false-flag" operation will be against Iran, with Israeli jets painted with American colors and showing USAF decals bombing Iran. These American made and supplied F-16 Israeli jets will NOT have the Star of David on their fuselage.

                This will help to fool the Iranians into thinking they were being attacked by some US jets launched off an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf, which will make Iran respond by striking back at American ships in the Gulf and off we go, fighting another war for Israel.

                Visit www.johnperryonline.com

                iran

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                • Rasputin
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 63906

                  #653
                  Will Netanyahu Bomb Iran?

                  Albright: Hope not

                  Former US secretaries of State and Defense Madeleine Albright and William Cohen interviewed on CNN:


                  [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogQTIhHQsGY[/ame]

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                  • Rasputin
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 63906

                    #654
                    وزارت دفاع اسرائیل می گوید موشک Arrow 3 را که برای دفاع در برابر حملات موشکی بالیستیک ایران و سوریه طراحی شده با موفقیت آزمایش کرده است.

                    در این آزمایش، موشکArrow 3 موشکی را که بر اساس موشک شهاب 3 ایران شبیه سازی شده و از یک هواپیمای اسرائیلی بر فراز دریای مدیترانه پرتاب شده بود، ردیابی کرد و هدف قرار داد.

                    منابع وزارت دفاع اسرائیل می گویند هدف از این آزمایش آمادگی در آینده برای خطرهای احتمالی متوجه از جانب دشمنانی است که توانایی های موشکی خود را افزایش می دهند .

                    این منابع می افزایند که تئوری اسرائیل این است که بتواند موشک های دشمن را در محل هایی که با آسمان اسرائیل حد اکثر فاصله را دارد، متوقف کند و چنانچه بار اول نتواند این موشک ها را هدف قرار دهد وقت کافی برای تلاش مجدد داشته باشد.

                    این طرح مشترک توسط اسرائیل و آمریکا اجرا می شود و اسرائیل می گوید هدف از آن ایجاد یک سپر استراتژیک در برابر موشک های بالیستیک در زرادخانه های ایران و سوریه است.

                    خبرگزاری رویتر به نقل از وزارت دفاع اسرائیل می گوید اهود باراک، وزیر دفاع اسرائیل هنگام انجام آزمایش پس از ملاقات با نیروهای اسرائیلی مستقر در مرز این کشور با غزه، با هلیکوپتر در حال بازگشت بود و از داخل آن برنامه پرتاب موشک را تماشا کرد.

                    تحلیلگران می گویند اسرائیل از این بیم دارد که هدف ایران از برنامه غنی سازی اورانیوم، تولید تسلیحات هسته ای است. ایران این اتهامات را همواره رد کرده است.

                    رادیوی اسرائیل می گوید این شانزدهمین بار بود که موشک Arrow آزمایش می شد.

                    به گفته وزارت دفاع اسرائیل 90 درصد این آزمایش ها موفقیت آمیز بوده است.

                    بعضی از کارشناسان می گویند پروژه موشک های Arrow که توسط صنایع هواپیماسازی اسرائیل و کارخانه هواپیما سازی آمریکایی بوئینگ اجرا می شود، پس از آن شروع شد که موشک های پاتریوت ارتش آمریکا نتوانست در جریان جنگ خلیج فارس در سال 1991، موشک های اسکاد عراقی را ردیابی کرده و هدف قرار دهد.


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                    • Rasputin
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 63906

                      #655
                      یک وبسایت اسرائیلی در خبری عجیب، مدعی شده* که ایران 140 هواپیمای جنگنده را پس از هشدار مسکو مبنی بر حمله احتمالی اسرائیل برای نابودی آن*ها، از یک پایگاه هوایی به مکانی دیگر انتقال داده است!

                      به گزارش سرویس بین الملل آفتاب، این وبسایت روز جمعه گزارش داد که هشدار روسیه، ایران را وا داشته است تا هواپیماهای جنگی خود را به پایگاه*هایی دور دست منتقل نماید. این اتفاق همچنین منجر شده است تا ایران یک مانور هوایی ارتش را که برای روز بعد برنامه ریزی شده بود، لغو کند!

                      وبسایت مورد نظر همچنین مدعی شده است که ماهواره*های جاسوسی روسیه و منابع اطلاعاتی، به موقع تهران را از این خطر آگاه ساختند تا هواپیماهایش را نجات دهد!

                      این گزارش همچنین مدعی شده است که اگر چنین حمله*ای روی داده بود، ایران قسمت بیشتر نیروی هوایی خود را از دست می*داد و در نتیجه تاسیسات هسته*ای بی*دفاع می*ماند.

                      گفتنی است در ماه*های اخیر مقام*های رژیم صهیونیستی بارها ایران را تهدید کرده*اند که در صورت عدم تعلیق غنی*سازی اورانیوم در تأسیسات هسته*ای نطنز و اصفهان، این کشور به این مراکز و نیز نیروگاه هسته*ای بوشهر حمله خواهد کرد. این در حالی است که غالب کارشناسان نظامی و سیاسی این نوع تهدید*ها را پوشالی دانسته و معتقدند که این*گونه اظهارات بیشتر برای سرپوش نهادن بر ضعف*های آشکار این رژیم است.

                      این کارشناسان معتقدند که شکست رژیم صهیونیستی در جنگ 33 روزه لبنان و نیز جنگ 22 روزه غزه، نشانه آشکاری از تحلیل رفتن قوای نظامی این رژیم اشغال*گر است.

                      iran

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                      • Rasputin
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 63906

                        #656
                        رابرت گيتس وزير دفاع آمريکا تأييد کرد ايران يک موشک ميان برد را که قادر است به اسراييل، جنوب شرقی اروپا و پايگاه های آمريکا در خاورميانه برسد، با موفقيت آزمايش کرده است.

                        آقای گيتس روز چهارشنبه در يک کميته کنگره آمريکا گفت موشک ايران که روز چهارشنيه پرتاب شد ۲ تا ۲ هزار و ۵۰۰ کيلومتر برد دارد. وزير دفاع آمريکا می گويد در اين مرحله آزمايش، برد موشک به دليل مشکلات فناوری در ساختن موتور احتمالا به ۲ هزار کيلومتر نزديکتر است.

                        رابرت گيتس اظهار داشت او نمی داند آيا موشک آن گونه که ايران ادعا می کند به هدف اصابت کرده است يا نه. محمود احمدی نژاد رئيس جمهوری اسلامی ايران در سخنانی در شهرستان سمنان در نزديکی محل آزمايش اعلام کرد که ايران موشک سجيل-٢ را آزمايش کرده است.


                        کاخ سفيد ميگويد برنامه موشکی جمهوری اسلامی نگرانی بزرگی را برای پرزيدنت اوباما که در صدد تعامل با ايران است، بوجود آورده است.

                        iran

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                        • Rasputin
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 63906

                          #657
                          هاآرتص: اسرائيل ظرف چند روز آينده به ايران حمله مي*كند

                          سايت خبري ايران:

                          روزنامه*ي اسرائيلي هاارتص ادعا كرد كه همه*ي نشانه*ها دال بر اين مطلب است كه اسرائيل قصد دارد تا جنگي را بر عليه ايران ظرف چند روز اينده راه بيندازد.


                          به گزارش سرويس بين الملل سايت خبري ايران(INA)، روزنامه*ي اسرائيلي هاآرتص در يك افشاگري نوشت: «تمامي نشانه*ها بيانگر اين مطلب است كه اسرائيل قصد دارد تا جنگي را بر عليه ايران ظرف چند روز آينده به راه بيندازد و به اين كشور حمله كند».


                          در اين خبر آمده است كه اين حمله فقط ظرف چند روز آينده انجام خواهد شد و وقوع آن بسيار نزديك است.


                          در ادامه هاآرتص با اشاره به سخنان بنيامين نتانياهو نخست وزير اسرائيل مي*نويسد كه وي پس از ديدار از ايالات متحده*ي آمريكا آمادگي براي جنگ را آغاز كرده است.


                          در ادامه اين روزنامه افزود: «ديدار نتانياهو از واشنگتن و سخنان وي كه گفته بود آمريكا و اسرائيل به توافق رسيدند كه ايران به مرحله*ي پيشرفت در فن*آوري اتمي نرسد و اينكه اين مساله تنها به روزهاي پيشرو بستگي داردو سپس تصميم جنگ در برابر ايران گرفته خواهد شد، همگي نشان مي*دهند كه جنگ در راه است».


                          هاآرتص نقل كرد: «جنگ اسرائيل با ايران بطور واقعي در زمينه*هاي ديپلماسي، سياسي و رسانه*اي آغاز شده است. تا جايي كه تلويزيون اسرائيل براي اولين بار گزارشي را پخش كرد كه در آن نيروهاي ارتش اسرائيل در حال آموزش مقابله با موشك*هاي ايراني و سيتم*هاي پدافندهستند تا در صورت پرتاب اين موشك*ها از ايران براي مقابله با آن آماده باشند».

                          همچنين هاآرتص اشاره داشت كه اين گزارش براي اولين بار تلاش*هاي هدف قرار دادن موشك*هاي مشابه با مو*شك*هاي ايران توسط سيستم پدافند اسرائيل را در هوا قبل از اصابت موشك به هدف را نشان داده است.



                          همچنين در پايان ماه مي جاري اسرائيل قرار است تا بزرگ*ترين مانور خود را در تاريخ تشكيل اين رژيم براي 5 روز انجام دهد و در لبنان، ارتش و نيروهاي مقاومت در آمادگي كامل به سر مي*برند.


                          iran

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