Peaceful Hamas

[mike435]

its not a war... if it was a war, it would turn into the finished genocide of Palestinians.

In general, the complaining ("bitching" is a sexist word) is complaint over the displacement and unjustified causing of Palestinian suffering.

you know what i mean sorry for te language i dont mean it in a sexist way sorry if i affended anyone

i mean why do they complain then and call it fould game when they willingly choosingly put theme selfs in the situation

those woman only went after the militia called apon theme from the inside

[mike435]

its not a war... if it was a war, it would turn into the finished genocide of Palestinians.

In general, the complaining ("bitching" is a sexist word) is complaint over the displacement and unjustified causing of Palestinian suffering.

i am only foucasing on the woman in that instont when two of them died

[zubin]

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terorisom as i said again is the act of intentional killing of innoconce meaning civilians and kids, an act were you have no moral regret for killing the innocance, an act were it is a victory if you kill the inocant

first, that's not my definition of terrorism. why is yours better than mine?

second, you know the founders of Israel targetted civilians when gaining power. so Israel is a terrorist nation according to your argument (not according to mine though).

look ther are terorising moments or action like when an idf shell goes astray and kills innocent woman and children that is a terorising moment, it was not a end it was just a tragic result if a mean

purposefully using arms that are going to unnecessarily kill innocents is very close to straight-up targetting them, not a big difference. but anyway that's not my argument against you because I grant there is a bit more of targetting civilians with Hamas in a few years back than Israel.

were as terorisom the way i use it about hamas is an means and ends in itself
the killing of young kids by hamas was not the result of a tragic acident of a mean but that killing was in itself the means and ends

how do you know if Hamas likes the result of its actions? Maybe they consider it a necessary evil.

also I can tell you've read some articles on this "means end" stuff. maan,, political articles are just propaganda trying to look like logic. but since they are trying to look like logic, why not use logic?

the problem with the means/end argument is that it is a bad argument. people do NOT like dying and killing as an end to itself. there's always another end right behind it. you know why? because all human action is based on internal emotional ends. someone else's death is not an internal emotion.

[mike435]

look man stop thinking that HAMAS lives in the same reality as you

hanas belives in death becuuse for them real living dosent even start until they die
for him this life is temporal and he cares more about death
he justifys death

[zubin]

when did I think Hamas lives in the same reality as me? dude think intead of playing gymnastics with my words. honestly its better not to say anything rather than put words in people's mouths, or in this case, people's heads.

what I said was that human beings are physiological organisms. they have bodies and thoughts and you can see what makes up human beings. though humans can have external goals, like person X can want peace or want the death of others, ultimately that goal will be for the sake of alleviating an internal emotion that drives that goal in the first place. so there's no such thing as wanting to kill someone just for the sake of killing someone, from an objective scientific perspective, the last human end will always be internal and that excludes external things like death of others.

Like your goal may be to eat a potato, but really that goal is for alleviating your hunger no matter what you say. Even if you say in your constitution that my goal is to eat potatoes, really its not, its to alleviate your hunger.


regarding the death and what 72 virgins or whatever, you're making a lot of assumptions. they use religion for their resistance between religion can be used as a mechanism for a strong and unified front against an oppressor.

[mike435]

ramin sometimes i think like you may even agree on some stuff i say but you will argue on it just to see if you can push envolope of truth
it is ok if somtimes you just accept some things and not turn it into a philosophical argumant dialactic is good but doesnt aply all the time

i think if you had a girl friend and she says

hey i love you baby

in response you would say

do you love me or is love just your selfish responce to the fact that i make you feel special, the feeling you call love could that be the feeling that you get becuase you are with me and becuase i make you feel good you love that act and not really me, can you realy say you love me i dont think that is objective i think instead you should say x, y, z, becuase xi,yi,zi,
their really is no such a thing as love it will give conotation to somthing that could clearly not be love for me or love for you

and then she will be like no ramin i think i like you becuase i feel you make my world

then you will say

well what is your world then, do i make your world? or is that i creat an illusison of that world becuase with out me that world wouldnt be their, so obviously i just creat the illution becuase if i had made your world even thogh i am not their it will still excist

than she will say ok fine i x,y,z, you becuase of xi,yi,zi(remeber she cant say love that is not objective) and these things creat the illution of why i want you

then you will say well maybe you dont need me becuase after all all these feeling are based on an illution so lets not waist our time and just start reading plato
lol
lol
ah man this should be a comic cartoon
hey in pragraph 2 did i just proof the excistance of g-d and why g-d excist
you know jewish philosophy says the reason for creation is the expresion of loving and kindness.

ramin let me tell you man convarsating with you is a wild card man i never know were i will end up i just hope you enjoy it as much as i do.

if only i could find a girl friend who cared so much for mental stimulation
lol
are their girls like that
or do you really need to be bikar to be like that

[zubin]

you think I take systematic inquiry into my love life? I think I've given you way too much "ru"

[mike435]

when did I think Hamas lives in the same reality as me? dude think intead of playing gymnastics with my words. honestly its better not to say anything rather than put words in people's mouths, or in this case, people's heads.

what I said was that human beings are physiological organisms. they have bodies and thoughts and you can see what makes up human beings. though humans can have external goals, like person X can want peace or want the death of others, ultimately that goal will be for the sake of alleviating an internal emotion that drives that goal in the first place. so there's no such thing as wanting to kill someone just for the sake of killing someone, from an objective scientific perspective, the last human end will always be internal and that excludes external things like death of others.

Like your goal may be to eat a potato, but really that goal is for alleviating your hunger no matter what you say. Even if you say in your constitution that my goal is to eat potatoes, really its not, its to alleviate your hunger.


regarding the death and what 72 virgins or whatever, you're making a lot of assumptions. they use religion for their resistance between religion can be used as a mechanism for a strong and unified front against an oppressor.

listen man tat what i cam eaway eith i get theimpresion that you think all idiologies are the sae that hamas to can be treated with the same respect as the treatment you deserve

[tapesh_borat]

yes, jewish put fence on my homecountry. Hamas is like brother.

jegshemash ladies

[mike435]

you think I take systematic inquiry into my love life? I think I've given you way too much "ru"

na man it was just a comical relife
just laugh at it
see this is what i mean just kick back somtimes but you know seriously i am gonne use that on somebody one day
even thogh it seems that i can never go on with out pissing someine off but still who knows maybe their is hope

[zubin]

alright mike, hahaha, very funny

[mike435]

alright mike, hahaha, very funny

are you being sencire or just sarcastic
becuase i really do care

[zubin]

that's cute mike.. sincere wishes for a beautiful night's sleep; its lights out for me...

[donsaeid]

yes, jewish put fence on my homecountry. Hamas is like brother.

jegshemash ladies

what happend to borats sister? loool

[zubin]

Mike seems to think that just because the Israelis have a so called democracy their political system is better than the Palestinians. The reality is there is no democracy in Israel Mike, its a facade. If the US cant and doesnt have democracy dont expect Israel to be able to. I think if there can be peace than why not try for this hudna. Its worth a shot, there is nothing to lose, since it means ceasefire and no war (which means no innocent lives lost). the problem comes with Israel being able to stick to something though: can Israel hold true to its word and not use the ceasefire to its advantage?

and the arguement about one state? the world is supposed to be a melting pot, with different people living together peacefully. the hatred that a so called jew will have for a muslim or a muslim will have for a jew is based on propaganda by each country. If they were to come together and see the opposite side as humans first and formost, then there is no reason for them not live together side by side peacefully.

I get the upsetting sense that Mike has already decided on his view and is not willing to let go due to an obligatory allegience posed on him. If he even tries to understand what we're saying, he'll be forced to accept major faults with his allegience system.

Every time we get to a serious crucial point, its either straight-forward denial or something hysterical like laughing out of nowhere.