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  • Dokhtar Bandari
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    • Oct 2007
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    #31
    Originally posted by mike435 View Post
    i do not belive this based on experiance there have been times were i have persued some of my oral belifes and i didnt like were it was heading or going

    LOL Mike, I too sometimes question my "oral" beliefs..but hell I like it and won't give it up...LOL
    Last edited by Dokhtar Bandari; 12-04-2007, 10:42 AM.
    I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
    I would be pure, for there are those who care;
    I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
    I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
    I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
    I would be giving and forget the gift;
    I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
    I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
    Howard Walter

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    • Dokhtar Bandari
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      #32
      Originally posted by indian_blues View Post
      Human is just an pure animal when he comes to earth, parents and society makes him a civilized human ... human in sense who can think, obey and be part of a society. Language is the tool which helps him to establish this goal. my point is whatever we learn as right and wrong are supposed to be broken for freewill. Yes human is slave to his own emotions and his freewill dictates his actions. Even though deep down in hearts we feel it subconsciously we are not allowed to do. Surely it doesn't have any big impact if an individual going crazy what happens when an entire set of community believes a crazy things and going after it?

      as for the concept of god I believe it... who is in the form of truth and love... which is infinite which is filled in our body and thoughts ... we believe the entire universe is in ourselves.... so by searching urself u can find truth.. and u need love... pure love to reach it... and it will end at one point where is god nothing but you.. becoz u r filled with love.

      Hmmmmmmmmmmm....a couple of things: We are pure animals when we are born???? How do you figure that Indan jaan? How come we don't look like an animal when we are born? May be you could say we are primal when we are born. What I think is that we are born with a pure spirit, which is ready to learn and explore and live through us...what we teach it is what makes us the kind of human we are in any given society, what we experience in our lives is what our spirit has learned in order to guide our actions, but free will gives us the opportunity to change the actions we deem unpleasant and pleasant.
      I agree that society, parents, media and so on so forth have a lot to do with what we learn...however, there comes a time when we can question what we have learned, its accuracy and validity in our current daily lives.
      And...ok language is a tool, but are you saying one who is deaf and mute should be outcast?
      I like your statement about God..that is the truth...thanks.
      I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
      I would be pure, for there are those who care;
      I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
      I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
      I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
      I would be giving and forget the gift;
      I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
      I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
      Howard Walter

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      • Dokhtar Bandari
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        #33
        If everyone here indulge me I am going to show you that consiousness is everything and the question of Morality will become more clear after you have read what I am telling you...its a long read but its well worth it...please read it, if nothing else it will give you some good knowledge.

        The human brain has an estimated 30 billion neurons. Each neuron consists of a vast collection of atoms and even vaster collection of subatomic particles. It operates like a computer, except that if the processing power of every computer on earth were joined together it would still not match the computing abilities of one single human brain!

        Most office computers have the capacity to communicate with outside computers such as vast data banks, through a “modem” connected to a telephone line. The human mind, under certain circumstances, appears to have this same capacity. It appears that it can be triggered to interact with other minds and universal forces. Famed psychologist Karl Jung called this the “Universal Consciousness”. Dr. Peter Russell calls it the global brain. World famous Biologist Rupert Sheldrake refers to it as the morphogenetic field.

        All living creatures appear to have their own distinctive energy field.
        As far back as 1940 Harold Burr, a Neuroanatomist at Yale University,
        conducted a study of energy fields around living plants and animals. He discovered that a young Salamander exhibited an energy field approximately the same shape as the adult it would eventually become. Also he found that the axis of the field could even be detected in the egg stage. When he studied seedlings he found that the electrical field around the sprouts resembled the adult plant. But it wasn’t until the Russians discovered ***lian photography that these energy fields around living objects could be photographed.

        A Russian experimenter, ***lian, discovered accidentally that photographs taken in the presence of high voltage fields contained an “aura” around the living object being photographed. ***lian was an electrician of some renown and lived in a small cramped flat with his wife. He had no credibility at all in the scientific world and it wasn’t for many years that the significance of his discovery was realized. He persevered with this unusual photography for many years until it caught the attention of the Russian Agricultural Department. One day, a senior official visited the ***lians one day with two identical plants and asked ***lian to photograph them both to see if there was
        any noticeable difference. Both plants looked exactly the same.

        The resultant photographs indicated that one plant had a normal healthy aura while the other was very sickly. The Agricultural man reportedly leapt up and down with delight because some disease had been destroying vast areas of crops and up until that point they had no way of telling which crops were affected.

        LOL..the Tapesh rules won't let me write the full name...its K I R L I A N..can you figure out why???LOL
        Last edited by Dokhtar Bandari; 12-04-2007, 10:58 AM.
        I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
        I would be pure, for there are those who care;
        I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
        I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
        I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
        I would be giving and forget the gift;
        I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
        I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
        Howard Walter

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        • Dokhtar Bandari
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          #34
          Now they had a method, via this new advance warning, of finding out which crops were going to fail if not treated promptly. ***lian found that the same thing applied to human beings. A person about to go down with a disease exhibited a sickly aura. In fact at one point when asked to demonstrate his equipment to high ranking government officials, his stress level upset his equipment. He used to check its operation on his own hand to make sure it was functioning properly. The equipment starting giving blurred and false readings. He thought it was the equipment itself until he realized that it was his stress level that was at fault. This alerted him to the potential of
          “reading” human auras.

          This concept of intelligence existing “outside” the physical confines of the living organism has been hard for the scientific community to accept. But over the past 5-10 years, hard evidence has been produced which is having its effect on the scientific skeptics. Dr. Karl Pribram, a prominent American brain surgeon, sees the brains neurons “outpicturing” the physical universe, similar to the holographic process. He suggests that our brains are exposed to the entire concept of the universe in the same way that any minute part of
          a hologram contains basically the same information as the whole.

          British scientist, Jacob Boehm came up with the same Holographic Theory and had it published in a prominent scientific journal. But probably most amazing of all is the theory that British physicist Rupert Sheldrake has proffered. If his theory is proven correct, it will rival Charles Darwin's Theory of evolution in its magnitude. Basically he has proven repeatedly through laboratory controlled experiments that different species of animals appear to be “plugged” into a dedicated intelligence field which is universal to that particular species.

          For example, when enough mice in a group have learned a maze, they ALL suddenly know the maze - whether they have run it or not!

          It now appears, after a BBC television experiment, that if enough humans have learned something, then it becomes easier for all humans to learn it. Sheldrake calls this shared intelligence the MORPHOGENETIC FIELD.

          There is an interesting parable about his called the “100th monkey” relating to an apparent observation made on a remote Japanese Island.
          I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
          I would be pure, for there are those who care;
          I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
          I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
          I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
          I would be giving and forget the gift;
          I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
          I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
          Howard Walter

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          • Dokhtar Bandari
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            • Oct 2007
            • 1099

            #35
            A very bright female monkey on a small island was taught to wash sweet potatoes in the seawater. She then taught other members of the tribe to do this. When approximately 100 monkeys had learned this procedure, many other remote monkey tribes started washing potatoes in the same manner. But the interesting thing is that these other tribes were situated on other remote islands and also on the mainland. That is, they had no possible way of acquiring this knowledge, other by some form of intuitive universal “sharing”.

            The BBC in London tried out Sheldrake's Theory on 8 million of their viewers. They showed on prime time TV, a difficult puzzle that only a very small percentage of their viewers were able to solve. Then the correct answer was also given on prime time TV. Shortly after, the same experiment was repeated by a TV network in another country. A far higher percentage of these foreign viewers were able to get the puzzle right the first time. As the puzzle was in the form of a universal pictorial concept, language and customs were not considered to be a factor.

            The BBC and Sheldrake concluded that as the correct answer now existed within the human morphogenetic field then the human race now “knows” the answer. Basically Sheldrake's Theory explains “intuitive” functioning to a degree.

            What Sheldrake is saying is that there is a “larger” mind for each lifeform
            and each individual life-form “programs” that larger mind. The theory might be laughable except for Sheldrakes acceptance in the scientific community and also the BBC experiment.

            But probably the most startling (and easily repeatable) experiments came from Cleve Backster, a polygraph (lie detector) expert. Operating from his San Diego, Californian laboratory he found that plants react -at a distance - to human thought. He initially connected his polygraph equipment to a Dragon Plant to test for possible “plant stress”.

            He decided to generate stress by burning the plants leaves and sure enough the polygraph machine registered a strong reaction. But he hadn’t actually burnt the leaves - he had only intended to do so! He had thought about it with emotion and intent!

            Skeptics who tried the same experiment without genuine intent couldn’t get it to work. Backster went a step further and totally shocked the scientific world. He scraped human cells from a volunteer's mouth and connected these to his polygraph and medical EEG equipment. He found to his utter mazement that these cells reacted instantaneously to the donor's emotions, even when they were geographically separated! White blood cells were found to be particularly susceptible to emotion. (This may explain for the first time why people with strong positive emotions have better health).
            I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
            I would be pure, for there are those who care;
            I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
            I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
            I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
            I would be giving and forget the gift;
            I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
            I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
            Howard Walter

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            • Dokhtar Bandari
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              #36
              Let’s detour a little and look closely at the Holographic Theory of the human mind and then briefly, how your own mind “blocks out” things it is programmed to be uncomfortable with. Then we’ll go on to actual applications of this collective unconsciousness/morphogenetic field and what researchers are currently doing in the new science of “consciousness”.

              In 1981 a Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Dr. Roger Sperry for his Split-Brain theory. Basically he concluded that our left brain was the analytical dominant one, while our right brain was the intuitively dominant one. This right brain is the one that 90% of the human race don’t bother to use fully. (I'm referring here to the average righthanded person).

              The 10% who do use it are usually the creative writers, artists, etc. It
              appears to operate in the middle range of the brain frequency scan, at
              around 10 cycles per second. Analytically orientated tasks show the brain operating in the beta range of 14 to 40 cps.

              Let's now talk about the Holographic Theory and how all of the above
              ties together. I guess everyone is familiar with what a hologram is. It
              looks like a photographic negative but is covered in swirls and patterns. However when a white coherent light is shone at it a third dimensional image suddenly leaps out.

              A hologram is produced from multiple reference points and sets of images of the object to be “photographed”. It contains different viewpoints and perspectives of that object. When triggered by a light source all these reference points coalesce into a discernible 3D image. When you cut a hologram in half each half still contains the full picture (with a slight loss of spatial definition), unlike a photographic negative. And if you cut the hologram into very small pieces you will still obtain a recognisable picture of the whole object from any one of the small pieces. The clarity depends on the original quality of the hologram.

              One of the leading researchers, Dr. Karl Pribram of Stanford University, feels that the brain probably records information in the same holographic manner. That is, the information is stored over a “family” of brain neurons, not in any one particular small group of neurons. This would clearly explain why the brain has such incredible storage ability. That is, the brain might well be storing information “spatially” rather than in the standard three-dimensional patterns that we currently believe it is working in.
              I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
              I would be pure, for there are those who care;
              I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
              I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
              I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
              I would be giving and forget the gift;
              I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
              I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
              Howard Walter

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              • Dokhtar Bandari
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                • Oct 2007
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                #37
                Likewise, if the theories of universal consciousness and the morphogenetic field are correct (and the indications are that they may be at least partially correct) then each individual human brain is acting as a tiny holographic part of a total hologram.

                That is, your brain is part of a whole! It logically follows that your
                brain has access to the universal brain via this morphogenetic field - if
                you can figure out how to tap into it!

                The initial scientific research on mind power was started many years ago at Duke University, headed up by Dr. J.B. Rhine. He was largely ostracised by the scientific community at that time, some of whom still believed that the earth was flat. But he did prove that some form of controllable extra-sensory perception existed and that some people were more gifted than others. So when one of the world’s most prestigious universities - Princeton in the USA permitted their engineering department to set up an “anomalies” division, the scientific community sat up straight and started to take notice. The results of these experiments also bought a new batch of skeptics out of the woodwork, but after all this time it is generally accepted that mind/matter interaction exists.

                Two of Princeton's scientists, Dr. Dean Radin and Dr. Roger Nelson reviewed and evaluated over 800 experiments conducted under strictly controlled conditions. Their subjects were tested on an electronic random number generator - something like a computerized version of a heads/tails coin flipping device. When the subjects set out to influence the otherwise random results with mind power, they were statistically successful. The scientists concluded that under certain circumstances, consciousness interacts with random physical systems. The experiments are still ongoing and include the
                investigation of remote viewing. The United States military became deeply involved in research in this area because of their concern about the possibility of mind power being used to influence the computer directed control systems of their defence network, missiles and satellites.

                Now before we go into any specific detail of what is currently being
                done with mind power by the leading military and non-military experts, let’s look at how your own mind works, with regard to “limiting belief” systems.
                I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                I would be giving and forget the gift;
                I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                Howard Walter

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                • Dokhtar Bandari
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                  • Oct 2007
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                  #38
                  The contents of your mind are the result of everything in life that has “impacted” upon it. Mentally, you are the result of a lifetime of cumulative influences and experiences. This is true of everybody. So if, for example, you have been told as a child that mental telepathy does not exist then you accept this subconsciously as a fact. This might be your inherent belief about the reality of telepathy, not a statement of fact about it. But
                  because you accept this belief as true (subconsciously anyway), you consider it to be a fact. Facts cannot be changed but the beliefs about the facts can! So if somebody actually demonstrates to you that telepathy exists your subconscious cannot accept it. This is a “mindblock” bought about by strongly implanted “facts” during your upbringing.

                  When proof is offered the skeptically-programmed mind simply blocks
                  it out.

                  It is almost as if the listener flips into another reality zone. You will have noticed this on occasion yourself when trying to explain something new to other people. They develop a glazed look in their eyes and their conscious attention floats off elsewhere.

                  This is what 90% of people do when they are exposed to innovations in
                  consciousness technology. But with the constant bombardment they are going to get over the next 5-10 years on this subject, they will slowly change their attitude and belief system. An example of this is the appearance of almost nude models on the front of news agency “family” magazines. Ten years ago, the publishers would have been jailed. Now, not too many people care. Our population has been trained to accept this as normal due to the proliferation of such material over the past few years. Of course, there is a minority who vocally object to this and the same will apply to the field of
                  consciousness technology.

                  Whether we like it or not, it’s on us! It happened in micro-electronics
                  and it will happen with technology of mind.
                  I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                  I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                  I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                  I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                  I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                  I would be giving and forget the gift;
                  I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                  I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                  Howard Walter

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                  • Dokhtar Bandari
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                    • Oct 2007
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                    #39
                    The input of new knowledge is discarded at the receiving point -the conscious mind says “rubbish” - end of conservation. Actually some people develope a glazed looks when confronted with new knowledge which their concious mind blocks due to its unfimiliarity.

                    In the past decade strong evidence has developed suggesting that all human consciousness is interconnected at a very deep subconscious level. In the same way that a magnetic compass is part of the earth's larger magnetic field, so is your consciousness part of a larger universal consciousness!
                    Twitch a magnetic compass and its magnetic variation affects the earth's field (admittedly this would be difficult to measure). Twitch your consciousness with a mental thought and you twitch the whole consciousness field!

                    But the big difference is that your thoughts can be “tuned” or “resonated” to react in a certain way..... with another specific human mind or with sub-atomic particles of matter!

                    A physical analogy to the above “interconnection” theory is the simple
                    fridge magnet you stick on your fridge door. If you suddenly pull it off the door its magnetic movement will have a slight immeasurable microscopic effect on the earth magnetic field. Admittedly the effect will be so incredibly small as to be incapable of detection on current state-of-the-art instruments. But the effect will still be there! Likewise if the earth's magnetic field were to suddenly shift every compass in existence would swing slightly. This is because everything that is magnetically sensitive is part of one field - the magnetic field! Change one part of the field and you affect the whole!
                    So far so good. Now let us get back to the fridge magnet example and expand on the effect of magnetic field disturbance, which will then lead on to mental field disturbance!

                    The most spectacular form of human-made magnetic field disturbance is created by the explosion of a nuclear bomb. When one of these is exploded it not only flattens everything within a 10 mile radius and produces a mushroom cloud 10-15 miles high, but it also produces an intense magnetic field which disrupts radio communications for thousands of miles. The effect of an atomic explosion can be detected half way round the earth and nuclear warning laboratories have sensitive instruments manned 24 hours per day to detect just such explosions.

                    But, the core of this bomb, made of Uranium 235 (or whatever they use these days) could easily fit in the trunk of your car and take up about the same space as a box of 2-3000 fridge magnets! The message here is that a relatively small portable object can produce, by changing its chemical/atomic state, a measurable effect half way around the earth!

                    When you have a “thought” which chemically modifies the brain cell tructures responsible for propagating this neural activity it is scientifically possible this may affect other neural structures outside your physical body, but sharing the same energy field. After all the air around you is made up of atomic structures (called molecules) and from a scientific viewpoint should be capable of transferring messages, at an atomic level, over vast distances!
                    It may be that your thought forms, by changing the chemical balance
                    in your brain can affect a multitude of other thoughtforms around you …… in other people, far away!!

                    Theoretically this might happen by chemical/atomic transference through the atoms and molecules in the air between your brain cells and those of the “receivers”! So if you developed an intense “mental resonance” style thought-form it may impinge in a sub-microscopic manner in the chemical thoughtform processes of other individuals. . . some of whom may be sympathetic to your requirements!!! (maybe this is how Islam attract its “victims”).

                    And without them knowing why they may tend to gravitate in your direction to help you achieve your aims, either directly or indirectly! I guess if this happened directly it could qualify as some sort of miracle. If it happened indirectly it could be regarded as the “universal mind” fulfilling your “cosmic” order!

                    And that is about where the scientific community is at the moment, in
                    the science of consciousness! All this opens up a few doors for experimentation, doesn’t it? And the most fascinating thing is ..... you
                    can do your own experiments free of charge, because you already own
                    the necessary lab equipment ..... your own mind!
                    Last edited by Dokhtar Bandari; 12-04-2007, 12:04 PM.
                    I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                    I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                    I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                    I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                    I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                    I would be giving and forget the gift;
                    I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                    I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                    Howard Walter

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                    • indian_blues
                      Member
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 1893

                      #40
                      aaaaa....hmm...well..... Data Base would like to know who is the author for ur above posts.
                      “I want to feel passion, I want to feel pain. I want to weep at the sound of your name. Come make me laugh, come make me cry... just make me feel alive.”

                      If you wish to be loved, show more of your faults than your virtues. - Edward Bulwer-Lytton


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                      • mike435
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 2104

                        #41
                        i second that

                        must say your articales are very hard to put down or just skim thrugh
                        you have good sources
                        and if it is you wow bravo


                        G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                        • Dokhtar Bandari
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by indian_blues View Post
                          aaaaa....hmm...well..... Data Base would like to know who is the author for ur above posts.

                          The author would like to stay anonymous at this time..lol

                          Mike, I am glad u like it. I will post some more if you want.
                          I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                          I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                          I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                          I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                          I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                          I would be giving and forget the gift;
                          I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                          I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                          Howard Walter

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                          • mike435
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2104

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Dokhtar Bandari View Post
                            The author would like to stay anonymous at this time..lol

                            Mike, I am glad u like it. I will post some more if you want.

                            i acctualy would but the author and source is very important to me


                            G-d determines who walks into your life....It is up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.


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                            • indian_blues
                              Member
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 1893

                              #44
                              awesome db... really I felt finished reading yet another Michael Crichton or Dan Brown.

                              before I blabber anything related to this it would be great if u could say how this is really comes to our subject of morality.

                              thanks for sharing you are rocking.
                              “I want to feel passion, I want to feel pain. I want to weep at the sound of your name. Come make me laugh, come make me cry... just make me feel alive.”

                              If you wish to be loved, show more of your faults than your virtues. - Edward Bulwer-Lytton


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                              • Dokhtar Bandari
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by indian_blues View Post
                                awesome db... really I felt finished reading yet another Michael Crichton or Dan Brown.

                                before I blabber anything related to this it would be great if u could say how this is really comes to our subject of morality.

                                thanks for sharing you are rocking.
                                Simply that consciousness and energy create the nature of reality...your belief system will automatically direct your actions.
                                As I mentioned below, if your conscious mind does not have the reference point for a particular behaviour, it will reject it and it will argue with you and will win.
                                So...what I am saying is that for "the world to change man must change"..Morality is a belief system.
                                A good example will be Dali Lama...for him to be compassionate is as natural as for you to be Indian...why? because his consciousness and belief system.
                                If one has to make an effort to be a moral person all the time, then they are not really moral people just trying to cover their immoral self. Its like when someone says stay positive...hog wash..."I am try to think positive" usually means I am trying to cover up my negative thoughts. Got it?????
                                I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                                I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                                I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                                I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                                I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                                I would be giving and forget the gift;
                                I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                                I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                                Howard Walter

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