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  • maryam9
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 644

    #151
    Redwine:
    To khodet ino neveshty yo az yey-jayee copy kardy??

    Originally posted by RedWine View Post
    Ask yourself honestly, does that sound more like a man or a woman!? In the realm of human relationships, it seems that men screw up. Women wipe them out (via fire, court order, or right through the window). And if the men are smart enough to see the error of their ways, they are forgiven. Right or wrong, that seems to be the general format, a perfect mirror for what religion tells us is the history of the relationship between god and man. Plus, there is again the creativity part. The punishments dished out for man’s errors are varied. The world has been wiped out by water, fire, earthquakes, locust, etc. The goddess is creative in her punishments and she is patient! A creator with the male temperament would be very uniform. He would basically use one standard punishment every time. And, it would be something totally crazy, like using a massive vacuum cleaner to suck everyone into the sun! Also, he would not be so patient. The biblical account tells us that man has been punished after numerous chances to repent and return to the laws of the almighty. No male god would do that. The very fist time that man would have only slightly deviated would have been the beginning and the end of the story of creation. And as a final proof, when the creator finally has had it, all hell breaks loose! I remember when I was a kid; my mom was very patient with me. But, those few times that I made her mad enough to chase after me have been chiseled into my head. As the old adage goes, hell hath no fury like a woman’s wrath.

    What’s the moral of the story? If you’re one of those people (man or woman) who don’t believe in women’s rights ...say you think it’s okay to arrest women and throw them in jail because they’re demanding equal rights. And, GODDESS forbid (dur az junetun) one day you croak (happens to the best of us), you better be careful. When you end up in front of the all mighty, SHE may not be all that merciful or companionate!
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    • abadani69
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2005
      • 21339

      #152
      loooooooooooooooooooooooool, that was the best Joke ever maryami neveshtehaye RW az door vasat bandari miraghsan lol
      Originally posted by maryam9 View Post
      Redwine:
      To khodet ino neveshty yo az yey-jayee copy kardy??

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      • Rasputin
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2005
        • 63906

        #153
        Originally posted by maryam9 View Post
        Redwine:
        To khodet ino neveshty yo az yey-jayee copy kardy??

        chetor mageh ?

        iran

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        • maryam9
          Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 644

          #154
          Originally posted by RedWine View Post
          chetor mageh ?
          No big reason, its because i saw this:
          Originally posted by RedWine View Post
          What’s the moral of the story? If you’re one of those people (man or woman) who don’t believe in women’s rights ...say you think it’s okay to arrest women and throw them in jail because they’re demanding equal rights. And, GODDESS forbid (dur az junetun) one day you croak (happens to the best of us), you better be careful. When you end up in front of the all mighty, SHE may not be all that merciful or companionate!
          Siamak, why do you never give your opinions?? You are alive and youre a human being. Most people see u as the guy who posts lengthy articles but hardly talks.
          Id like to see more posts made by you. Midoonam kheyleey zahmat mikeshy ba in website (thankyou by the way).
          Originally posted by abadani69
          loooooooooooooooooooooooool, that was the best Joke ever maryami neveshtehaye RW az door vasat bandari miraghsan lol
          Originally posted by maryam9
          Redwine:
          To khodet ino neveshty yo az yey-jayee copy kardy??
          Az bas chizy nemigy, kesy nemidoone neveshtanet chijooryeh. But i guess its a case of "har joor raahati"
          Last edited by maryam9; 01-30-2008, 03:04 AM. Reason: formatting
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          • Rasputin
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2005
            • 63906

            #155
            يك كشيش لهستاني به علت اثبات وجود خدا جايزه تمپلتون را به خود اختصاص داد


            يك كشيش لهستاني و استاد فيزيك به علت اثبات وجود خدا با روشي علمي، ارزشمندترين جايزه دانشگاهي جهان را دريافت كرد.

            بر اساس اين گزارش به نقل از واحد مركزي خبر از لندن، روزنامه ديلي تلگراف نوشت پروفسور مايكل هللر هفتاد و دو ساله كه از دوستان ژان پل دوم، پاپ پيشين كاتوليك هاست، جايزه هشتصد و بيست هزار دلاري بنياد تمپلتون را دريافت كرد.

            اين استاد فيزيك با فرمولي پيچيده، انسان را قادر مي سازد هر چيزي، حتي بخت و اقبال را با استدلال ها و محاسبات رياضي توضيح دهد.

            ديلي تلگراف به نقل از پروفسور هللر نوشت اگر بخواهيم علت پيدايش جهان را بررسي كنيم، از قوانين رياضي بايد استفاده كنيم و از اين طريق، ذهنمان به خدا جلب مي شود زيرا هميشه اين پرسش مطرح است كه چرا به جاي هيچ چيز، يك چيزي خلق شده است و همين موضوع ما را به وجود ذهن خالقي كه تمايل به خلق چيزي به جاي هيچ چيز داشته است، رهنمون مي شود. بدين ترتيب، پرسش درباره علت پيدايش جهان خلقت، مشابه پرسش درباره علت خلقت ديگر چيزها نيست بلكه بررسي ريشه همه علت هاست.

            جايزه علمي تمپلتون، سالانه به يك دانشمند اهدا مي شود و ارزش مالي آن، بيش از جايزه نوبل است.

            بنياد تمپلتون در سال هزار و نهصد و هشتاد و هفت ميلادي بدست جان تمپلتون در فيلادلفيا تاسيس شد و در زمينه واگذاري بورس به دانشمندان و تشويق علم فعاليت مي كند.

            اعضاي هيات مديره اين بنياد خانوادگي را اعضاي خاندان تمپلتون تشكيل مي دهند


            iran

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            • Dokhtar Bandari
              Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 1099

              #156
              In English for the ones who can't read Farsi... BTW: nothing wrong with that.

              New York - Polish theologian, cosmologist, and philosopher Michael Heller, who lived through both Nazi and communist rule and has long sought to reconcile science and religion, has won the 2008 Templeton Prize.

              The £820,000 prize (more than $1.6 million) is awarded "for progress toward research or discoveries about spiritual realities." The John Templeton Foundation, whose stated mission is "to serve as a philanthropic catalyst for discovery in areas engaging life's biggest questions," awards the prize yearly.

              Author of 30 books in Polish and five in English, Mr. Heller, an ordained Roman Catholic priest and a professor of philosophy at the Pontifical Academy in Krakow, Poland, has made the fostering of dialogue between science and religion a priority.

              "He's one of the key contributors in the international scholarly community dedicated to the creative dialogue on science, theology, and philosophy," says Robert John Russell, founder and director of the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences in Berkeley, Calif. "He's a great example of someone who bridges these fields."

              For Heller, these seemingly distinct realms of human understanding actually depend on one another for stability.

              "Science gives us knowledge, but religion gives us meaning," he says. "Science without religion is not meaningless, but lame…. And religion without science [slides] into fundamentalism," he says.

              Heller draws on deep understanding of cosmology, religion, and philosophy to tackle questions such as, "Does the universe need to have a cause?" and "Why is there something rather than nothing?"

              Those familiar with Heller's work laud his rigor of thought.

              "In an era when serious scientists and serious religionists declare themselves at war with each other and claims of connections are often by superficial thinkers, Michael Heller is the exception," says Philip Clayton, professor of philosophy and religion at Claremont Graduate University in Claremont, Calif. "Rigorous thinkers seem to have fled the no man's land between the two warring factions."

              Heller was born in 1936 in Tarnow, Poland, one of five children. His mother was a teacher, his father a mechanical and electrical engineer. When the Germans invaded in 1939, Heller's father sabotaged the chemical factory where he worked to keep it out of Nazi hands. The family then fled east into what is now Ukraine.

              In 1940, Joseph Stalin ordered 1 million Poles, including Heller's family, to Siberia to log the forests. The hardships of exile made a lasting impression.

              "[Heller] knew that many people survived the extreme Siberian situation because they found in prayer both their spiritual force and their will to survive," writes Joseph Zycinski, archbishop of Lublin, Poland, in the foreword to Heller's 2003 book, "Creative Tension: Essays on Science and Religion." "His main dream after coming back to Poland was to become a priest and to help people in finding solutions to the most basic problems of life."

              Heller has a different take. On his return to Poland, "I was too ambitious," he says, smiling. "I wanted to do what was the most important thing to be done."

              In his estimation, that was science and religion. In 1959, at a time when religion was officially discouraged under communism, Heller was ordained a priest. In 1966, he received his PhD in philosophy from the Catholic University of Lublin. And beginning in 1969, Karol Wojtyla, the archbishop of Krakow who later became Pope John Paul II, began inviting scientists, philosophers, and theologians – Heller included – to his residence to discuss how the disciplines interrelated. The group became known as the Center for Interdisciplinary Studies.

              Heller also studied Marxist philosophy, primarily so he could rebut it. His time in Siberia had given him an all-too-close view of the reality behind the slogans. "Many young Poles were seduced by Marxism," he says. "But from the very beginning, I had no illusions."

              Navigating these worlds sharpened Heller, says Professor Clayton.

              "Michael had to work with the complexities of two very difficult systems – the communist system and the complexities of Vatican politics," he says. "Instead of being tempted to sell his soul, he used that complexity as a drive, as impetus to do more careful and more subtle work at the level of the science-religion dialogue where enduring connections could be discovered."

              Heller plans to use his winnings to help launch the Copernicus Center in Krakow. It will offer an education in science and theology as an academic discipline.
              I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
              I would be pure, for there are those who care;
              I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
              I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
              I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
              I would be giving and forget the gift;
              I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
              I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
              Howard Walter

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              • Rasputin
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2005
                • 63906

                #157
                Following an order of the local procuracy office, a banner with the Koran quote “There’s No God but Allah” was removed from a wall of the only mosque in the Russian city of Krasnoyarsk. It happened after TV showed a number of videos about dissatisfaction of the local citizens caused by the content of the banner.

                Orthodox are sure that this kind of quotes, if posted outside mosques, is derogation from rights of followers of other religions.

                At the same time representatives of the local Muslim community claim that the banner with a quote from the Koran was only supposed to remind people of God’s existence and that calling Islam the right path in no way derogates from rights of anyone, referring to Russia being a free country.

                There are 50 Orthodox churches and one mosque in Krasnoyarsk city.

                iran

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                • Kabutar
                  Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 115

                  #158
                  I'm a believer of Allah and he is the creator of animals and everything of this world
                  Har Ruz Tanha Shodam

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                  • Dokhtar Bandari
                    Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 1099

                    #159
                    Allah means God in Arabic. Islam itself has 99 names for God. So when you say that you belive in Allah..all you are saying is that you believe in God. Now if you think that this Allah or God is an entity seperate from your own self then get ready for much suffering.
                    I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                    I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                    I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                    I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                    I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                    I would be giving and forget the gift;
                    I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                    I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                    Howard Walter

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                    • Rasputin
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 63906

                      #160
                      In Quran and bible God had repeatedly highlighted ,that,one of most important criteria of his Messengers would be that, speaker of the GOD's word, would be the one who is speaks its own tribe and people,in other word not someone outsider who learn to their language.as we read in Quran 14:4 وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلاَّ بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ we have not sent prophet except whom speaks his own people, or we read also in Q41:44) وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا أَعْجَمِيًّا لَّقَالُوا لَوْلَا فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ أَأَعْجَمِيٌّ وَعَرَبِيٌّ

                      if we would have not sent some one who did not speak of your language you would have protested saying : Ajami prophet for Arabs ?

                      of course GOD has sent Mohammad(pbuh) as his final and for all people of the world Q7:158 قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا , tell all people of the world I am a messenger for all(no exceptions)

                      therefor, GOD Almighty , has made that clear for all of us, whom bringing you a message from GOD 1- should be in familiar and clear and understandable , no Ajami message for Arab ,vice-versa, no Arabic message should go for Ajam, couldn't be more clear than that.

                      some argue that , this was said just for Arabs, well, no ,than GOD would have not say "tell them you have message for all, criteria of messenger to be local, makes good sens, people would learn and understand fast and spreading word it faster, why GOD would want to do 1-lie in Quran(saying some thing ,doing something else later)2- put hard Arabic word in front of Persian who at the time were 98% illiterate ,people who have some fell of historical antagonism toward to Arabs any way.

                      therefor , it is hard to believe GOD would want to apply that to Arabs and not to other , some they argue Arabic was a same as Persian or was once all was same, to their answer we all can go back read and literature from 165 years back , except some governmental sycophancy letters and documents which hard Arabic mixture word were used to pleas reverent level of king , the rest are very much is same as today Farsi speaking if we speak Arabic today they were speaking than, how ever divinely changes need divine alert ,although we can all guess but we cant speak for GOD , we can not find any where in Quran that GOD has future plan change.

                      than ,reasonably we should not or "can not" accept claim other wise,

                      some smarts they may subtly put many plane together ,or bringing unknown word with their own hand writing to eyes of our naives and also until today not even want to translated those divine scriptures(at least in to Farsi), and keeping this magic box close mystery for their adherents and every one, but GOD ,dont need to go their long distance to expose them, all need is allude few words, Persian say (A'ghel ra eshareh).that's all it need. so our Bahais friend Iranian or else should understand , there should be more reason and answer to so many contradiction they face every now and than which they never find right answer for it, independent search for true(if is not just a word) should put them in good position to ask and get reasonable and rational answers from their leaders .

                      iran

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                      • Dokhtar Bandari
                        Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1099

                        #161
                        Contradictions’ in Quran and its translation with regards to its teachings are plenty. This is nothing new, but no one cares enough to protest. Too many years of brain washing and programming to accept the false beliefs that Quran and Allah are the ultimate destination. If one takes the time to read all 3 major religions (Islam, Jewish and Christianity) you will realize all 3 are the same thing. But all their books have been so convoluted that no average person understands what they are talking about therefore relinquishing their sovereignty to the holy men.

                        If you read any of the holy books you will see without the shadow of a doubt that they all say the same thing...you are absolute, you are complete you are God...I promise you that is the truth.
                        I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                        I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                        I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                        I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                        I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                        I would be giving and forget the gift;
                        I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                        I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                        Howard Walter

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                        • DokhtarIrooni
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 2347

                          #162
                          Originally posted by Dokhtar Bandari View Post
                          If you read any of the holy books you will see without the shadow of a doubt that they all say the same thing...you are absolute, you are complete you are God...I promise you that is the truth.
                          You are God????? So we are all Gods???
                          ~ Bahar ~

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                          • Dokhtar Bandari
                            Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 1099

                            #163
                            Originally posted by DokhtarIrooni View Post
                            You are God????? So we are all Gods???

                            Yes you are, we are all God.
                            I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                            I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                            I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                            I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                            I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                            I would be giving and forget the gift;
                            I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                            I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                            Howard Walter

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                            • maryam9
                              Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 644

                              #164
                              Originally posted by Dokhtar Bandari View Post
                              Yes you are, we are all God.
                              are you joking?

                              or if youre being serious, i think youre referring to us being made in the image of God
                              If a human being says he/she is God then thats being a bit big-headed, isnt it? (Im not referring to you as one who is 'big headed'. Just wanted to make that clear).
                              Mary's back, back again

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                              • Dokhtar Bandari
                                Member
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 1099

                                #165
                                Originally posted by maryam9 View Post
                                are you joking?

                                or if youre being serious, i think youre referring to us being made in the image of God
                                If a human being says he/she is God then thats being a bit big-headed, isnt it? (Im not referring to you as one who is 'big headed'. Just wanted to make that clear).
                                Aum azizam you may call me big headed...no sweat, and I stand firm that we are god. To be a man is to be weak to be God is divine. Plus its part of the evolution you either accept it or you will perish...simple as that.
                                I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
                                I would be pure, for there are those who care;
                                I would be strong, for there is much to suffer;
                                I would be brave, for there is much to dare.
                                I would be friend of all—the foe—the friendless;
                                I would be giving and forget the gift;
                                I would be humble, for I know my weakness;
                                I would look up and laugh—and love—and lift.
                                Howard Walter

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