Islam and Iran

[nava]

ProudPersian

man ham moafegham, manzuram ra eshtebah gerefti (proudpersian), man nemigam hame berand mosalmun shan, vali dashtam migoftam rasme mosalmunha in hast, jomlamo agar bekhuni mibini nevshtam ke be har ensani, hala che beresi mosalmun,
hala chera hai irani mosalmin mikoni, man asheghe iranam ba inke hata 1 sanie ham unja nabudam va irani budan ham baram bozorgtarin eftekhare, vali alan entekhab kardam mosalmun ham basham, ta chand sal pish taghriban mesle to fekr mikardam vali hala na, alan ham ehsas mikonam ke ke faghat ba cheshmam negah nemikonam mesle baziha, mohtavai vared bahs mishavam (na ke bekham begam in be mosalmun shodanam rabt dare) az khodam nemikham tarif konam vali vagheatha ra bayd goft

ta bad,

[ProudPersian]

**First I wanna say sorry to every1 who I misinterpret (kheyli sakhteh farsi neveshtan o khoondan ba nevesandiye Ingilisi)**

Second off I want to say that I respect your need to be Muslim. I have many relatives who are more religious than anything I have ever seen. Islam works for them, fine by me. But I dont think Islam should have ANY role in defining the country of Iran. If individuals want to follow Islam that is their own decision.

What pisses me off more than anything else is going back to my country and seeing women wearing veils all the time and all these rules about how to be "good". I strongly believe that alcohol should be allowed, in fact it would attract a lot of tourists. Whether as a Muslim you like it or not Iran is the home of beer and some wines. Also I believe that women forced to wear veils is a horrible thing. Most of my friends think that Iranian women are the ugliest in the world! Of course what would they know, they only see pictures of women in hejabs and veils.

I know my point of view is biased, but Islam is not at all progressive and systematically backwardizes a society.

For example:

In Pakistan after the quake many were short on food and starving. So the UN set up camps to cook food for the cold and hungry survivors. But it was Ramadan, so an angry mob lead by a local mullah ordered the humanitarian aid workers to stop cooking, when they refused the mob trashed the kitchen as many outside lay starving, defending their actions w/ the Qoran saying that "Allah wills it".

In Iraq a local group in Ramadi trashed a local liquor store and told the owner that "Allah" justified it because he was selling, God Forbid, alcohol. The group also threatened to kill him if he ever sold alcohol again.

Also in all Muslim countries homosexuality is banned and homosexuals are killed. I dont care what BS your preacher or shiekh says, gays are born that way. I never chose to like women, I just always liked them, likewise with gays. At the very least if you dont respect their choices you must respect their right to LIVE let alone choose.

There are countless other examples too. Islam cannot play any role in defining a society at all, It should only be used to define one's personal life.

[Cop]

ProudPersian jan, aslan khode islam mige kari be politics nabayad dashte bashe din jodaaaaaaas keshvar darii ham jodasssssssss hame mosalmoonaye ke AGHL daran va koor koorane be chizha nega nemikonano har chi in akhonda goftan tavajoh nemikonan va az fekre khod estefade mikonan migan ke islam nabayad ba politics yeki bashe va az islam estefade kard.. hamintor ke hame midonim in regime karasho be gardane islam mindaze ke MOVAJJAH jelve konan karashoono bara mardommi ke kheilihashon sadde hastan

bavaret mishe baara hamin entekhabat che chizaye tooye masjedha be in mardome sadde migoftan ke be in ahmadi nejad ray bedan! baraye masal akhonde masjed minshed ke sokhan rani kone migoft ke man emshab too khabam emam mahdi omade boodo az in cherto perta ke be ahmadi nejad ray bedan... in mardome sadde hastan ke koor koorane be islam nega mikonano injoor hastan ke hanoz in regime mondegare

[ProudPersian]

cop, azizzam, ageh eslam jedi be siasat vasleh nabud, manam hich bahs nemikardam, hich davo nemidashtam. In akhonda keh migan din bayad az siasat joda basheh, khodeshoon bazyeh siasat bazi mikonan bah tupeh din. Az avalin ruzeh eslam, eslam yeh tikehye bozorg bud tuyeh siasat. Mohammad, Omar, ALi, Hussein, hameh ina adamhaye mohem budam tuyeh siasat. Khodeshoon bahs kardan ruyeh eslam o siasat, hameh khodeshoon, janghashoon kheyli koshtan, mahsoo tuyeh Iran. Ageh in avalin musalmonha siasat bah din ghoti kardan, pas emruz chi?

Ageh adamhaye saddeh mitoonestan fekr bara khodeshoon bokonan, enghad eshgal nemishoodeh. Ina faghad beh akhronda goosh midan mesehkeh akhronda paygambar budan. Shoma midooni, in akhronda adam hastan, meseh man o toh. Khoda nistan, meseh mah ina eshghaleh khodeshoon daran tuyeh zendegishoon.

Barinke din tuyeh Iran injoori shod, iran gehr shod, ham badjoori gehr shod. Ya in adamha bayad yod begiran bara khodeshoon fekr bokonan ya eslameh injoori bayad beyofteh. Ageh na, dastaneh Iran khoob tamoom nemisheh.

[nava]

**First I wanna say sorry to every1 who I misinterpret (kheyli sakhteh farsi neveshtan o khoondan ba nevesandiye Ingilisi)**

Second off I want to say that I respect your need to be Muslim. I have many relatives who are more religious than anything I have ever seen. Islam works for them, fine by me. But I dont think Islam should have ANY role in defining the country of Iran. If individuals want to follow Islam that is their own decision.

What pisses me off more than anything else is going back to my country and seeing women wearing veils all the time and all these rules about how to be "good". I strongly believe that alcohol should be allowed, in fact it would attract a lot of tourists. Whether as a Muslim you like it or not Iran is the home of beer and some wines. Also I believe that women forced to wear veils is a horrible thing. Most of my friends think that Iranian women are the ugliest in the world! Of course what would they know, they only see pictures of women in hejabs and veils.

I know my point of view is biased, but Islam is not at all progressive and systematically backwardizes a society.

For example:

In Pakistan after the quake many were short on food and starving. So the UN set up camps to cook food for the cold and hungry survivors. But it was Ramadan, so an angry mob lead by a local mullah ordered the humanitarian aid workers to stop cooking, when they refused the mob trashed the kitchen as many outside lay starving, defending their actions w/ the Qoran saying that "Allah wills it".

In Iraq a local group in Ramadi trashed a local liquor store and told the owner that "Allah" justified it because he was selling, God Forbid, alcohol. The group also threatened to kill him if he ever sold alcohol again.

Also in all Muslim countries homosexuality is banned and homosexuals are killed. I dont care what BS your preacher or shiekh says, gays are born that way. I never chose to like women, I just always liked them, likewise with gays. At the very least if you dont respect their choices you must respect their right to LIVE let alone choose.

There are countless other examples too. Islam cannot play any role in defining a society at all, It should only be used to define one's personal life.

avalan fekr nakonam niaz be mazeratkhahi bud, chon dashtim bahs mikardim, at least I wasn't offended
dovoman, man ba hame harfat moafegham, harfe ma ham ine ke din bayad az siasat joda bashe, din mozoi ast ke be har nafar rabt dare va na be dolat, in chadorhai ham ke migi khob regim ovode ke yeki az vasaele sarkubeshe, agarna ke tu khode ghoran gofte ke dar din hich ejbari nist, az in democratictar dige chi mikhahi? fekr nakonam dige chizi baraye goftan dashte basham chon khodet hama ra gofti va man ham nazaram hamun bud, mesalet ham dar pakistan fekr konam regimishun ziad ba male ma fargh nakone baraye hamin jaye taajob nist,

take care,

[BadJens]

lol ono shokhi goftam ye khorde naz konam lol(nemidonam engar dokhtaram ke bekham naz konam )

anyways, din ye chizze o kari kardan ke begam dinam in gofte ye chize digas
maaslaan amrika in karo ro ke mikone man biam begam dine masihiat dine badie? hitler in kara ro mikone begam dine badde? isarael intor mikone begam dine yahodiat bade?
hamontor ke goftam dinnnnn ye bahse o kari kardan be esme din injor mige yekc chize digas
man khodam mosalmoonam vali ba in ke mige shi'e o sunni aslan mowafegh nistam
islam yekie o ye peyghambar dare...
ta hala ba khodet deghat kardi ke shi'eha esme emam ali o emam hossein ro bishtar az esme peyghambar miaran?????
ba khodet fekr kardi ke shi'eha doa o mafatih janan ro bishtar az ghoran mikhonan?/
ba khodet fekr kardi sunniha esmaye khalifehashono bishtar az peyghambar miaran?
sunni'ha esme as'habe peyghambaro bishtar miaran??
innha hamash chizhayeee ke tooole tarikh shode o hame chizo fargh karde!
hammeye adyan injor hastesh

COPemruzkhode un khode Mohammadkhode MohammadBISHTARESHUN az tarighe JANG ajibeh

[milla]

Applause for ProudPersian

ProudPersian I agree with everything you said. It has been interesting to read all the english messages on this topic.

I live in New Zealand and I have all my life. I knew practically nothing about Iran before I met my partner, father of my baby (soon to be babies).

New Zealand is a great place to live, however one thing we lack is our own culture (though this is a hotly debated statement). This is something Iran had and still has although many aspects of the culture it seems have changed since the revolution. I believe it is so important in knowing where you are from and who you are to know your culture and who you are as a person.

Religion should not factor in this, as it is (or should be) a choice. Unlike where you are born, or the parents you are born to, religion is a choice and it can change, whereas you cannot change who you are.

I am not religious at all - all I can hope for my children is that they grow to be good people and respect everyone, especially themselves.

My partner has toyed with the idea of returning to Iran, but with the way things are at the moment I would not want my children to grow up there. I do not ever want my daughter to wear a veil unless she (not the government in Iran, her father, future husband etc.) wants to wear one. Although I am sure this is not the worst she would face there. I love the freedom we all enjoy in New Zealand too much and don't think I would enjoy being told what to do very much (my partner has told me couples cannot hold hands in Iran let alone kiss in public - although he left 10 years ago. Is it still like this?) ;(

I want my children to know their heritage, not a religion forced on them, but THEIR culture. I want them to be proud persians also. Iran has a wonderful history that should be remembered always. The only way to do this is to pass it on to your children. I think you are all lucky people that you come from a country with such a wonderful history. Remember who you really are - not who you are schooled to be.

[jjbb]

i agree with your philosophy. It works if you work at it in early stage of children's life. good luck

[kiankool32]

intresting post

[marsino]

proudpersian,
salam, sare parcham harefet doroste, man ham hamino goftam.
sare hazerate mohammad ham ke bekham begam ke kami ke che arz konam khaili sakhte intori bekham tozi bedaham, inchizha ro mamulan huzuri behtare vali begzar aval yek soal azat konam: to behazerate issah eteghad dari? ya mussa? ya ibrahim?
sare islam ke nabayad be baghie keshvarha negah koni un ham africa va arabestan saudi va . . . be un migan bonyadgera (fundamentalism) unha darand az din estefade mikonand ke hukumateshuno konand, yek keshvare dige mesle iran, yek dolate dige mesle regime, unha ke shakhesh nistand, chizi ta hala be esme islam democratic shenidi? nemikahm alan moselmunet konam ya hata ghane beshi vali khastam begam yek islami ham hast ke dar asl un islame vaghei ast, yek torhai mishe goft islam khaili mazlum dar umade chon esmesh ra kharab kardand, ta migi islam adamha vahshigari tu zehneshun miad,
regimiha ham ke hamontor gofti yek ruz seyedan yek ruz doktor, yek ruz mohandes, inha ke hame midunand kashke,

moafagh bashi, ta bad

sharmandeh ha, nemikham be ehsasatet bar bokhore, ama ini ke migi eslam mazlom vaghe shodeh, vaghean neshon mideh tarikhe keshvareto nakhondeh nazar midi

to age yekam to tarikh becharkhi mifahmi on eslame mazlomi ke to migi che jori be keshvare ma iran omadeh,

hamon dige az in harfa akhonda ziad mizanan, ke baleh eslam vaghti omad, ye dastesh daste gol bod daste digash ye jabeh non khamey, baleh...

ama midoni daste gole arab chi bod, hamon shamshire mazlomo bi gonahesh bod ke ta varede khake ma iran shod, hey sar boridano dasto pa ghat kardano gozashtegane mano toro be esme kafaro kasifo najes yeki yeki sar boridan

baleh in eslame mazlome shoma non khamey ham avord,
hala midoni non khameysh chi bod, shahvatesh bod, ta pash resid be shahre adama, khanom khoshkela tamizaro ke did, onaram doneh doneh ya sigheh kard ya goshe ashpazkhoneh ferestad,
kholaseh ta omadan zadano pachidan, ama... khoda biamorze mogholaro, ona ba inkeh jenayat kardan, ama ye roz goreshono gom kardan, yani omadano raftan;
araba chi? shayad dar zaher kasi to iran arab nabashe, ama tamame on jenayat hay ke araba kardan be ye taraf, in farhange mano to ke alodeh shodeh tarafe digeh

moghol omado raft faghat koshto gharat kardo raft, ama eslame arab, omado dige naraft, farhange aghab mondasho vase mano to gozashto namak giremon kard

hala in eslame mazlom rast migi kheyli mazlome, va morede kam lotfi gharar gerefteh, dige moteasefaneh moteasefaneh, mesle nasle mamado alishon nemitonan sar beboran, na inke dige sar nemiborana, na... miboran, ama mese zamane sadre eslam nist digeh, on roza bishtar chaghovo shamshireshon gardan mizad

are eslam alan mazlom shodeh, chera chon kamtar sar borideh mishe, kamtar ejazeh dare be mardom tajavoz koneh, yani kolan eslam alan kheyli mazlomeh


ziad nemicharkhonamet, dar akhar migam, midoni bozogtarin hedyei ke mitoni be khodet bedi chie?
ineke beshini tarikhe keshvare khodeto va on arab mosalmonaye mazlomo sar boro dasto pa ghat kono be zano dokhtar bache tajavoz kono bekhoni



( kash onay ke omadan ba dorogh be mano to began on donyay hast, goli hast atishi hast, ye kare dige mikardan, dozdi dozdie digeh, jibe mano toro mizadan behtar az in bod ke andishe va ehsase mano toro bedozdan )

kash on dozda pole mano toro mizadan na fekro andisheye mano toro !

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[donsaeid]

vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...

din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va tamam

[donsaeid]

vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...

din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va hichkas nabayad be hich sorati be aghidehaye shakhse digari tohin kone... nazare har shakhs barash moheme va bayad ehteram gozasht ta hadike be digaran azar nade

[marsino]

vala khaste shodam az daste khengai ke fekreshon kochike...

din va iman estefade mishe tavasote ashkhasi ke donbale ghodratan va ensanhaye ahmagh donbaleshon midoan... karhaye osame bin ladan rabti be islam nadare... karhaye G. W. Bush rabti be christianity nadare....
javabe hameye soalatam ine ke mardom va farhang bayad bekhan taghir bedan...
din va iman yek masaleye shaksiye va hichkas nabayad be hich sorati be aghidehaye shakhse digari tohin kone... nazare har shakhs barash moheme va bayad ehteram gozasht ta hadike be digaran azar nade

Dooste aziz bayad aval beh user ha ehteram bezari va badesh opinion bedi. mamnoon



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[marsino]

Dooste aziz bayad aval beh user ha ehteram bezari va badesh opinion bedi. mamnoon



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sharmandam kardi azizam


man shomareh eynakam zaif bid, fekr kardam on gofta bid ke hame khengan, hala toam age jomleye ono user joneto aval bekhoni ke hamaro khengo kochi fekr doneste, baad bia be man bego ki tohin mikoneh

to jomleye on user joneto bekhon ( ke migeh hame khengan), baad bia police bazi dar biar jigar


sharmandeh be ehsasate eslamie sar bore shoma tohin shod, be sar boridane eslamiton edameh bedin lotfan, rasty alan gheymate dasto pa ghaat kardan chande, mazaneh mikham...age mishe gheymate sang saram befarmaid...mersi az lotfeton


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[Rasputin]

new users ,vote pls .