Democratization of Islam

[Inquisitor]

I did not say that the written text has no relevance and there should be no belief in them.

Totally agree

I'm not saying belief in religious text is irrelevant... I'm saying the significance of it is unclear between being symbolic of the reality in one's experience.... and being literally what one should believe in.

This is a problem unless it can be resolved. Your argument is circular so far. You say it will happen because it is written. But I'm saying what is written has two meanings. Which is right? I did not say that the written text has no relevance and there should be no belief in them. I'm saying what exactly should one believe and why?

It has to be based upon a foundation. Basic foundations of Shia Islam are oneness of God, Divine Justice, Prophecy, Imamat, Hereafter... . I believe you may describe them in anyway (symbolic or ...) as long as your points or examples do not contradict with the foundations.

But I'm saying what is written has two meanings.

completely 2 different meanings or describing it in 2 different ways?

For example, I ask your brother; Who is Joubin , how he looks like, what are his abilities, ... ? And I ask the same question from your sister.

They describe your characteristics to me, One says he is the strongest man in the town, the other one says no man in the town dares to challenge him in one and one fight. One says He is the oldest child in the family, other one says he was the first child in family.

[Inquisitor]

Joubin, are you interested in "philosophical art and trees of philosophy", I have some pictures in my computer, if you are interested, I can upload them for you !? (it's in Farsi though)

[zubin]

completely 2 different meanings or describing it in 2 different ways?

you tell me... it seems to make a world of a difference to wait around for a Resurrection as opposed to experience a mental Resurrection.

Joubin, are you interested in "philosophical art and trees of philosophy", I have some pictures in my computer, if you are interested, I can upload them for you !? (it's in Farsi though)

I'm interested even if it is redundant. I'm at least curious to see what it is. I can speak/read/write Farsi... though I am always a student... ultimately I prefer Farsi over any other language... any art or diagram and the efforts to put them up would be greatly appreciated. thank you for your effort in this.

[donsaeid]

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[donsaeid]

[Inquisitor]

@ Joubin

I apologize for being inactive and that website no longer works for some reasons.

By the way, I don't believe in "promises".

[zubin]

Inquisitor Jaan,

The source of our disagreement is very clear. You believe literal interpretation of Islam is more essential than symbolic interpretation. To me that absolutely fundamentally flawed.

We can agree to disagree on this if you'd like.

[Inquisitor]

Brother Zoubin,

You believe that Sufism interpretation of Islam is more essential than the other schools of thought interpretation !?

Please correct me if I'm wrong

[zubin]

I believe what I said I believe, that, though both are important, symbolism in Islam is more important than literary interpretation.

[zubin]

Another aspect of the debate goes to the nature of Islamic law. Laws on my perspective are meant to fulfill a purpose. Once the purpose is fulfilled, there is no need for the law.