Eye On Israel

[mike435]

no. it in no way reliably or effeciently gages people's will. I could be brainwashed into a vote. that's not my will mike.

ok i see what you mean here but compared to other methods atleast this one you get to use which brain washing methos you choose i mean this occures every were

I don't agree that Israel is a democracy, I'm sorry. There's no argument here presented that Israel is in any way a democracy. !

open a post enlighten me and creat the argument of why it is not

maybe that's not the people's true will so the government is moderating it not dictating!

what in the world do you mean by freedom here? the freedom and will of the people may be reflected in some respects such as independence from the west which you are not considering. if you're talking about ideal freedom, Iranians are not ready for it nor do iranians necessarily share the exact definition of freedom used in the west. the only thing Iran is now ready for that the government is tough on dictating are some gender human rights issues and that's a complex topic, attributable to colonialism and islam mixed. !

i dono man maybe i just have to high of an aspiration and that is why i came out of the country basic human rihgts should not be defied by what the west sees

Okay??!

showing you that the govern ment reflects the will of the people

not using labels is one of the most liberating things possible. think about all the labels Jews have been called, or Iranians. I think carpet rider was a good one.!

their is an extent to it if it is like that than reconcider my hypotetical dialoge i created about you and a relationship

the pal people have the right to their rights and that's that! simple! no one will sit around or should sit around with their rights stripped away from a foriegn power!

[zubin]

I'm out Mike. all I have to say is if you can't define a concept than why are you using it in a serious argument? shouldn't you think about the concept and understand it objectively and how it fits into reality first?

bye...

[mike435]

yes i've noticed reality and objectivity are foriegn concepts for you. I'm not trying to change your opinion. you keep talking seriously then I ask you clarify and define the concept you're using, how it is even a shred sensible, then you withdraw. but its my fault. obviously I'm too bikar and motivated to have a logical discussion to see that you're ultimatley just playing games. you want to enjoy your allegiance and I'm keep bringing points that threaten it. But there are non-exclusive universal allegiances that don't have these problems.

sorry for being logical. its evil, I know, I know...

lololol
no its is not that you want why i think he is a threat here are some

didnt he say he want the state to be wiped off the map
doesnt he not want to see an israel in the region
isnt he so strongly against zionisom the very reason for israel

not really threating the country but personaly hurting me which i think also ads to his image
his constant denail of holocust how it is just a myth that hurts really hurts

ok now plese plesse go ahead and tell me why ahmadinjad isnot a threat to israel
use all your logic and supirior thinking methods to explain to me

since you dont take alligences i am looking forwared to your responce
best way not to take alligince keep in mined that iranian people is not ahmadinejad
that way you can be objective

[zubin]

lololol
no its is not that you want why i think he is a threat here are some

didnt he say he want the state to be wiped off the map

wiped off the map you mean literally or as meaning that israel is an immoral state? it can mean either statement. its rhetorical. its like when someone says person X should rot in hell.

in essence, its the assumption that statements have literal meanings when i proved this can not be the case from a psycho-biological objective view, because all words are are expressions of emotional state and nothing extra in the real world. sometimes they are utterly meaningless except for the emotion behind it.

his constant denail of holocust how it is just a myth that hurts really hurts

this one is more clearly a misunderstanding. the point was clear that he was denying the holocaust so to open the dialogue about it, not that he really doesn't believe it ever happened. most of there are translation problems. farsi and english are very, very different in terms of meanings of words in different contexts.


These points are clearly proven by the fact that later MA clarified his comments in the same exact way as I described each above. He stated that Iran is a threat to nobody and that what he meant about the Holocaust is that there's no freedom to discuss it.


also as you said, the guy is pretty much a nobody with Iranians in and outside Iran, even in the government!

[Rasputin]

JERUSALEM (AFP) - US President George W. Bush will not hesitate to use force against Iran to halt its nuclear program if other options fail, Israel's outgoing US ambassador Danny Ayalon has said in an interview.

"US President George W. Bush will not hesitate to use force against Iran in order to halt its nuclear program," Ayalon told the Maariv daily Wednesday.

"I have been priviledged to know him well, he will not hesitate to go all the way if there is no choice," said Ayalon, due to return to the Jewish state next week after serving as ambassador in Washington for more than four years.

Israel, widely considered the Middle East's sole if undeclared nuclear power, views Iran as its arch-foe, pointing to repeated calls by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to wipe the Jewish state off the map.

The international community has been wrangling for months with the Islamic republic over its nuclear program, which Tehran insists is for civilian purposes and the West fears is a cover to develop atomic weapons.

In the interview, Ayalon said he thought Bush would first try to use diplomacy in trying to halt Tehran's atomic energy program.

"First the president will try to exhaust the diplomatic process," he said. "I estimate that there is a 50 percent chance that the diplomatic effort will succeed. If not, he will advance another step and consider imposing isolation and a blockade on Iran, like the US imposed on Cuba in the past.

"If this too does not succeed, he will not hesitate to employ force," he said. "If sanctions succeed, all the better. Otherwise, he will act by all means possible, including military action."

Ayalon said that a US military operation against Tehran would differ substantially from its invasion of Iraq in 2003.

"That is not the model. This is more (a case of) employing air power combined with limited ground forces.

"Anyone who is familiar with President Bush knows that he is very determined. he is convinced of the moral supremacy of democracies over dictatorships.

"Even when he was at a low, he was not alarmed and continued to stick to his path. He also told me personally, in one of these difficult moments, that if you continue and persevere in your path, the people will ultimately follow you."

[Khorsheed]

I'm glad that you two really made a discussion out of this !!

[Khorsheed]

LOS ANGELES:

[Khorsheed]

Peres: Ahmadinejad is 'Persian Hitler'

Israeli Deputy PM says Iranian President is half neurotic leader who has alienated world


JERUSALEM - Israel's elder statesman Shimon Peres Thursday slammed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whom the Jewish state considers its arch enemy, as a "Persian version of Hitler".


"The Iranian president is a Persian version of (Adolf) Hitler. He is a half neurotic leader who has alienated the world," the deputy prime minister told public radio.


Israel views the Islamic republic as its chief enemy, alarmed by Ahmadinejad's nuclear ambitions, calls for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map and his dismissal of the Nazi Holocaust as a myth.


"Israel cannot and should not wage war against Iran because the nuclear threat Tehran is planning is global," said Peres, who is widely believed the father of Israel's own undeclared nuclear programme.


Iran's nuclear activities topped the agenda of a summit between Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and US President George W. Bush in Washington on Monday. Tehran insists it wants only to generate energy.


Speaking in Los Angeles on Tuesday, Olmert warned that if Iran manages to produce nuclear weapons "we will enter a new era of instability unlike any the world has ever seen" counselling that "we cannot afford to wait."


Backed by the United States, Israel believes international sanctions are necessary following Tehran's failure to suspend uranium enrichment.


Israel is widely believed to be the only country in the Middle East to have a nuclear arsenal, estimated at 200 warheads, although it has never formally confirmed or denied it holds such weapons

[mike435]

wiped off the map you mean literally or as meaning that israel is an immoral state? it can mean either statement. its rhetorical. its like when someone says person X should rot in hell.

in essence, its the assumption that statements have literal meanings when i proved this can not be the case from a psycho-biological objective view, because all words are are expressions of emotional state and nothing extra in the real world. sometimes they are utterly meaningless except for the emotion behind it.



this one is more clearly a misunderstanding. the point was clear that he was denying the holocaust so to open the dialogue about it, not that he really doesn't believe it ever happened. most of there are translation problems. farsi and english are very, very different in terms of meanings of words in different contexts.


These points are clearly proven by the fact that later MA clarified his comments in the same exact way as I described each above. He stated that Iran is a threat to nobody and that what he meant about the Holocaust is that there's no freedom to discuss it.


also as you said, the guy is pretty much a nobody with Iranians in and outside Iran, even in the government!

well i ramin i hope that you are right.

[zubin]

Peres: "koo koo"

[golgol85]

The pot calls the kettle black.

The more Israeli politicians talk, the less credibility they have in my eyes.

[mike435]

hahhahhahhahhahahahahhah

that what you get when you present to the world stupid behavior you get the same thing back

ahamdinejad madiunet hastim ke start kardi

[zubin]

Yeah, Ahmadinejad khat too oon saret ke Holocausto anjam dadi pedar sageh maskhare

[mike435]

http://www.jerusalemonline.com/ujc.asp

netan yahoo former prime of israel on iran

[zubin]

oh great bring the devil to my doorstep. THAT's refreshing...