Eye On Israel

[mike435]

wow cery sick first time acctualy seeing the devasistation of a sucide boming attack and i didnt even watch all of it

also i think it is better if we dont post this vid

[donsaeid]

No we have to watch suffering of both sides so we dont stick with one part and become as retarded as they who kill eachother are!!!

[Rasputin]

Iran is our biggest concern, Israelis say in poll

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A majority of Israelis say their biggest concern is Iran and they also believe the Jewish state is struggling for survival, two opinion polls published on Friday showed.

The polls reflect fear over Iran's nuclear program and frustration at the army's failure to crush the Iranian-backed Hizbollah guerrilla group in Lebanon during the recent war.

A poll in the Yedioth Ahronoth daily said 53 percent of Israelis believed Iran was the most worrying factor in the coming Jewish New Year, which begins at sunset on Friday. Only 12 percent cited a renewal of hostilities with Hizbollah.

The second poll, published in the Jerusalem Post, said 75 percent of Israelis believed Israel was struggling for survival.

Many Israelis feel the outcome of the 34-day Lebanon war, which ended under a U.N. truce on August 14, has left the country more vulnerable in a region of Muslim foes.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said on Sunday the world might have as little as "a few months" to avoid a nuclear Iran and called for sanctions.

Iran, whose president last year called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," says it is seeking nuclear power not weapons.

Most experts believe Israel has 200 atomic bombs. Israel neither admits nor denies having nuclear weapons.

[Rasputin]

ساعات اوليه بامداد می باشد. بيرون هنوز هوا تاريک است. يک گروه کماندويی از قلب تاريکی بيرون می آيند، تا سربازی را بربايند. بعد از ساعات ها مراقبت، نيروی کماندويی بالاخره به هدف خود نزديک می شوند.
در يک لحظه سرباز متوجه می شود که در دام افتاده است، نگاهش به لوله تفنگی افتاد. با قنداق اسلحه محکم به صورتش می کوبند و سرباز بر روی زمين می افتد و خون از او جاری می شود. ربايندگان سريعا دستان سرباز را بسته ، چشمانش را چشم بند زده ، او را برداشته و در تاريکی شب ناپديد می شوند.

شايد اين پايان يک آدم ربايی بنظر آيد، اما کابوس تازه شروع شده است. مادر سرباز با شنيدن خبر از حال می رود، پدر برای دعا، دست به آسمان بلند می کند. افسران فرمانده سرباز اسير شده، قول شرف می دهند که تا جائيکه در قوه و توان دارند، کاری کنند که او را برگردانند. هم خطی های سرباز قسم می خورند تا انتقام سرباز را بگيرند. يک ملت به پا می خيزد با درد و نگرانی .

کسی نمی داند که سرباز در چه وضعيتی است: آيا زخمی شده است؟ آيا ربايندگانش در حق او حداقلِ رفتار انسانی را مراعات می کنند، يا اينکه آنان او را تا حد مرگ شکنجه داده و شرف او را جريحه دار می کنند؟ بدترين نوع رنج کشيدن، بی خبری است. آيا او به خانه باز می گردد؟ اگر آری، کی؟ و در چه وضعيتی بر می گردد. آيا کسی می تواند در برابر چنين واقعه غم انگيزی بی تفاوت بماند؟

تروريست های اسرائيلی

حتما بسيار تعجب خواهيد کرد، اگر بدانيد که توصيفاتی که در بالا خوانديد، هيچ ربطی به ربوده شدن «گيلاد شعليت» سرباز اسرائيلی ندارد. اين ماجرای دستگيری يک فلسطينی در قصبه نابلس در حدود دهسال پيش است که من بعنوان سرباز نيروهای دفاعی اسرائيل (IDF) در آن شرکت داشتم. سربازی که ربوديم، يک نوجوان ۱۷ ساله بود و ما او را به اين علت ربوديم که فکر می کرديم او در مورد « شخصی» که « عملی» انجام داده بود، چيزی می دانست.

ما در حاليکه يک کيسه بر سرش کشيده بوديم ، دست بسته او را به مقر بازجويی Shin Bet که معروف به « تپه فرياد» بود ( در آن زمان فکر کرديم اين اسم گذاری خيلی با حالی است) ، آورديم . در آنجا زندانيان با شدت و خشونت تحت « شوک » قرار می گيرند و برای هفته ها و يا حتی ماهها ، کسی چه می داند،« بی خوابی» داده می شوند.

کسی در باره اين موارد چيزی در روزنامه ها نمی نويسد، کسی برای آزاد سازی سرباز نوجوان فلسطينی ، ديپلمات های اروپايی را خبر نمی کند. چرا که هيچ چيز غير عادی در مورد دزديدن اين نوجوان فلسطينی وجود ندارد، همه چيز در اين مورد عادی است. در طول ۴۰ سال اشغال فلسطين ، ما هزاران نفر از اين مردم را دزديده ايم، همانگونه که گيلاد شعليت ربوده شد، تهديد بوسيله اسلحه، زدن بی رحمانه، نه قاضی نه هيئت منصفه، نه شهود و نه دادن کوچکترين اطلاعاتی در مورد اسير به خانواده اش.

زمانيکه فلسطينی ها آدم ربايی کنند، ما عمل آنها را «ترور» می ناميم. زمانيکه ما همين کار را انجام دهيم، بدين معناست که بی وقفه در حال شکست دادن و از بين بردن آدم های شرير و قسی القلب هستيم.

مظنونين؟

شايد برخی بگويند:" نيروهای دفاعی اسرائيل، آدم ربايی "غيرموجه" نمی کنند، اين افراد " مظنون" هستند."
دروغی از اين بزرگتر نيست. در تمامی سالهايی که در ارتش خدمت می کردم، به اين فکر رسيدم : چه چيزی باعث می شود که يک "مظنون" بوجود شود؟ دقيقا چه کسی به "او" مظنون می شود و به چه علت؟

چه کسی اين حق را دارد که يک نوجوان ۱۷ ساله را بربايد، شکنجه دهد و احتمالا او را بکشد؟ يک بازجوی ۲۶ ساله مقر Shin Bet ؟ يک بازجوی ۴۶ ساله؟
آيا اين بازجويان آموخته ها و قابليت های ديگری فرای توانايی " بازجويی" کردن، دارند؟
اين بازجويان چه چيزهايی را مورد بررسی و ملاحظه قرار می دهند؟
اگر اين "مظنونين" همگی اين چنين گناهکارند، چرا آنها را به دادگاه نمی برند؟

هر کسی که بر اين باور است که نيروهای دفاعی اسرائيل و مقر بازجويی Shin Bet، در صورت فقدان مدارک و عدم روشنی موارد، تمامی تلاش خود را بکار می گيرد تا نقض حقوق بشر را به حداقل برساند، بسيار ساده انديش و خوش باور است. اگر ساده انديش و خوش باور نباشد، می بايستی شستشوی مغزی شده باشد. تنها کافيست که کسی شهادت نامه (قسم نامه ) سربازانی که مجری فرامين دفاتر بازجويی بازداشتگاهها هستند را بخواند تا از عمق اعمال غير اخلاقی ما در اين مناطق باخبر شود.

هم اکنون ، صدها زندانی بطرز وحشيانه در زندانهای Shin Bet و ديگر سياهچال ها نگهداری می شوند، مردمی که هيچگاه دادگاهی نشده اند و دادگاهی هم نخواهند شد. و مردم اسرائيل نيز در مقابل اين پديده، مصممانه سکوت می کنند.

مسئوليت اسرائيلی ها

روزی که گيلاد شعليت ربوده شد، من سوار يک تاکسی بودم. راننده به من گفت" ما بايستی به غزه برويم و در آنجا شروع کنيم که به تک تک فلسطينی ها شليک کنيم، تا يکی به ستوه بيايد و گروگان را آزاد کند. "
معلوم نيست که چنين عملياتی بتواند که گيلاد را زنده برگرداند.

اما بجای دست زدن به عمل تروريستی متقابل، که جامعه فلسطينيان را هم اسير خودش کرده است، ما می بايستی سربازان و اشخاص غيرنظامی فلسطينی را که ربوده ايم، آزاد نمائيم. اين يک عمل درست است و می تواند که نسيم صلح و همزيستی را در اين مناطق جاری کند.

آه، لعنت بر شيطان ! اگر اين تنها راهيست که می تواند گيلاد را صحيح و سالم به ما برگرداند، ما در قبال او اين مسئوليت را داريم که اين کار را انجام دهيم.


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* آريک ديامانت يکی از سربازان ذخيره IDF و در عين حال سرپرست سازمان صلح طلب" شهامت در رد فرامين" است.

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[Rasputin]

Jewish rabbi calls for extermination of all Palestinian males

A Jewish rabbi living in the West Bank has called on the Israeli government to use their troops to kill all Palestinian males more than 13 years old in a bid to end Palestinian presence on this earth.

Extremist rabbi Yousef Falay, who dwells at the Yitzhar settlement on illegally seized Palestinian land in the northern part of the West Bank, wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title "Ways of War", in which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the non-existence of the Palestinian race.

"We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated", the fanatic rabbi added in his article.

Falay is not the first to have called for such extreme measures. Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Kach movement, called for "the transfer of Israel's Arab population to Arab (or other) lands." (As it states on the group's website). Followers of Kahane have been connected to a number of murders of Palestinians, particularly in the Hebron area in the southern West Bank. In the most well-known of such attacks, 29 Palestinians praying in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron were gunned down by Baruch Goldstein, a follower of Kahane, in 1994, with Israeli soldiers looking on and allowing the gunman to reload his automatic machine gun and continue killing innocent civilians. In response to that massacre, the Israeli authorities punished the Palestinian victims by taking over the Ibrahimi mosque and turning half of it into a synagogue, where Israeli settlers go to pray each week. And each year, on the anniversary of the massacre, Israeli settlers in Hebron dress up like Baruch Goldstein and parade through the streets of Hebron, firing guns in the air.

The Kach movement recognizes the 'transfer' of 750,000 Palestinians that took place in 1948 in order for the state of Israel to be created on their land, but argues on their website that this 'transfer' was incomplete, and that all Palestinians must be sent away, or killed, in order for Israel to remain a 'Jewish state'. Their platform reads, "In a genuinely 'JEWISH State', how can an Arab be an equal when that State has an Independence Day celebrating his defeat. Its flag isn't that of its people. He isn't trusted to serve in the army. His cousin born in Haifa [sic] and fled during the 1948 War of Independence cannot return... yet any Jew who never lived there before is welcomed with open arms. In short, Israel is his enemy's country, not his. So how can an Arab truly be a loyal citizen in a Jewish State? Simply, they cannot, and they must go!"

The idea of extermination of Palestinians, or their 'transfer' into other countries, is not only a view held by extremists on the fringes of society. Prominent Israeli politicians have also made calls for a 'transfer', or ethnic cleansing, based on race. Just last week, on September 11, 2006, an Israeli member of Parliament called explicitly for the transfer of Palestinians (whow he referred to as 'Arabs') from the West Bank (which he referred to as 'Judea and Samaria', the biblical name for the region where the majority of Palestinians now live).

"We have to expel most Arabs from Judea and Samaria," Eitam said at a memorial service for Lt. Amihai Merhavia, a soldier who was killed in South Lebanon in July. "We can't deal with all these Arabs, and we can't give up the territory, because we've already seen what they do there. Some of them might have to stay under certain conditions, but most of them will have to go." Despite a law that would strip Israeli parliament members of their immunity to prosecution if they are found make explicitly racist statements, no investigation of Eitam has occurred on this matter, and there was no condemnation of his statement by the Israeli government.

[mike435]

crazy people everywhere thank g-d in israel they are extremly few in numbers.

[donsaeid]

just because you are israeli - sympatic you wish for it (to be few numbers) but it isnt!

[golgol85]

wow cery sick first time acctualy seeing the devasistation of a sucide boming attack and i didnt even watch all of it

also i think it is better if we dont post this vid

Mike if you are one who says that the hezbollah is wrong, then you cant say lets not see both sides of this. Looking at both sides' pain and aggony is necessary to evalutate the fact that war has no winners or losers. Israels casualties are just as important as the lebanese casulaties. the video shows the reality of war, that innocent people die. I wish this would happen to the idiots in power on both sides who cause the pain and suffering of innocent israelis and innocent lebanese shown in the videos and pictures. I didnt like how the movie portrayed the dead though, i felt it was a bit disrespectful and glamorized. and as for the question at the end "do you feel?", who doesnt feel? who is stupid enough to think that casualites only occur on one side? why do the israelis think that just bacause someone doesnt think their bombing the lebanese is right that they wouldnt feel for israelis killed? a human is a human, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, or religion.

[mike435]

yea i know see it hink its a caultural thng not very wise to show people dead
you have to consdires peoples dignigty
i mean dead is dead it dosent make a diffrance if the dead body is mangaled or in one shape

we can see how bad it was when you see the recage

[mike435]

lol
you make me laugh

[donsaeid]

when they told nazis about holocust in 1943-44 they laughed too!!!

[donsaeid]

so you talk about dignity just when it comes to jews?

[mike435]

and yes we see today we see how israelis just systematicly hate the palestinians


anyways if if you acctualy even bring this rabbi up and think this is the mind set of israelis well how sad

[donsaeid]

not all! but not few either! what is sad is taht you cant see both sides clear!!!

[golgol85]

yea i know see it hink its a caultural thng not very wise to show people dead
you have to consdires peoples dignigty
i mean dead is dead it dosent make a diffrance if the dead body is mangaled or in one shape

we can see how bad it was when you see the recage

all cultures like for their dead to be respected, and everyone likes to think that when their time comes, they will die with dignity and be shown dignity after dying. war does not understand dignity. dead is not dead, i think i would prefer to die in one piece, dont you? the fact is these people, whether they be israelis or lebanese died in war, and showing the horrendous way that they died shows to the world that war is not pretty. why must you run away from the truth of war mike? people die in war, people die horrible deaths, they are disfigured, mangled, and burnt. dont come here and ask for the pretty picture of war cuz there is none. IF you say that israel is right in doing what it does, than be brave enough to look at the carnage on both sides.